Gistou (Over!)

[Heartless]

And a scum player wouldn't........?????

No, they wouldn't.
(Well they would insofar as getting townread for the apparent effort.)

[Heartless]

is there a reason you're being antagonistic? or...what?

i get not liking that your wagon is losing and personally i kind of think wayward is more likely to flip scum but i am also not sorry to see kuroi go at all

[Heartless]

do you see any value in this rb/luna/fa interaction?

no, but that doesn't compel me to snark at it

[Heartless]

whats goin' on in this dump

[Heartless]

dont have time to look @ whats happening w/ the "guilty," luna could you give me in one post what's going on w/ that and if the result is definitive

[Heartless]

Prod dodge. I haven't read

any

of Day 2 yet so I'll get on that before I fall too far behind. ;_;

P.edit:
>_>
<_<

[Heartless]

RIP my catchup. X_X

The only parts still relevant:

I'm reading Fire's pissiness towards mastin as probably town. Using mastin's rough "scum = a group trying to get parity" guideline, I'm guessing scum should have a clear enough idea of what they need to do to win and if Fire's scum here, he's impressively committed to this bit.

Addendum

: Same goes for Wake.

The Wulden result alone on LLD doesn't bother me much. As numerous people pointed out, it's doubtful mastin made the game breakable by flavor and race. That said, I'm a little wary of how quick she was to throw shade on StormBlade with the "2-shot BP" result and the whole "Individual Wulden win condition" flap still feels unresolved.

I hate Post 4163 and I'm scumreading Wayward. Suzune comments on individual little things while somehow managing to avoid commenting at all on the big picture of: Luna's claimed Isolationist faction result on Salt Squad, Salt Squad's Wulden result on LLD, and LLD's 2-shot BP result on StormBlade. I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box but it wasn't too difficult for me to piece all that together from simply looking at the thread and I feel like the "lost" routine is a smokescreen.

[Heartless]

HEY RACH

VOTE: lld

[Heartless]

Go ahead and Lynch me if you must but nosferatu visited Luna fox and was the only person to do so and Luna fox died overnight

Rach Marie also checked Luna fox so there is my watcher proof

My whole undead slave faction but me is now dead

Why do ppl want to Lynch Kling? What happened in the game.before this

so... like...

where's the part where you vote nos because OMGZ I HAS DEFINITIVE GUILTYZ ON HIM

[Heartless]

N1

Watch and check song of ice and fire

Nosferatu visited with a night action
Kling invest visited with a check
Heartless visited with a check

can confirm

[Heartless]

If bacde watched ASOIAF how did he know Klingon investigated her?

Watchers only learn which player targeted your target: not what the action itself was.

i'm assuming he's claiming some sort of watcher+voyeur combo? at first glance that seems a little op to be town...

also, kling was his slot and i guess he showed up on his own results

[Heartless]

ok so night 1 results seems fine

what happened on night 2?

[Heartless]

If bacde watched ASOIAF how did he know Klingon investigated her?

Watchers only learn which player targeted your target: not what the action itself was.

i'm assuming he's claiming some sort of watcher+voyeur combo? at first glance that seems a little op to be town...

also, kling was his slot and i guess he showed up on his own results

'Cept he never claimed Voyeur.

He only claimed Watcher.

...it's ain't gonna bode well for you if bacde flips Scum.

uh yeah, and he's claiming to be able to distinguish between checks and whatever other night actions

which he proved to me by knowing we checked fire hydra on night 1.

[Heartless]

If bacde watched ASOIAF how did he know Klingon investigated her?

Watchers only learn which player targeted your target: not what the action itself was.

How can you possibly misinterpret this?

I saw someone visiting with a "night action"
I saw other people visiting with a "check"

I don't know what the night action was, and I don'tknow what the check was

holy cow

its so simple but you guys are purposely trying to make it hard

you never explicitly said this

[Heartless]

i don't think bacde is making up the results

but i am kinda wondering why he never made much of an effort to push nos when from his pov he presumably would've been luna's killer

[Heartless]

I think he is Heartless because I VISITED AND CHECKED RAM I was no where near Luna

ok

and you got "nosferatu" as your result

so... you didn't get redirected

[Heartless]

well shit maybe he did make it up...

[Heartless]

i'm trying to come up w/ a scenario in my head that explains:

> rach's results
> bacde's watcher results
> toog's claim that he bg'ed luna

and i'm coming up empty

[Heartless]

During the night, you may redirect a player. You must choose "check" or "role" to redirect. You cannot redirect both.

i'm taking from this that the redirect mechanic is "send [target player] to [someone else]"

[Heartless]

i'm trying to come up w/ a scenario in my head that explains:

> rach's results
> bacde's watcher results
> toog's claim that he bg'ed luna

and i'm coming up empty

add
> nos' claim he double targeted stormblade

[Heartless]

i dont rly have that much to say rn. tth has been keeping up w/ this better and has a lot more developed reads than me so she can take lead on that.

i will say dgb is prob town

[Heartless]

yeah the isolationists are nosferatu the wulden are wulden

those are the two maf factions which makes this true multiball

salt were vamp

[Heartless]

oh yeah forgot that, but ok so vamp/nos one maf team and wulden other maf team

i doubt either scumteam is racially uniform that would overpower the race check

also lycan and wulden both sound vaguely wolf themed so my guess is wulden is a blend of wulden and lycan

[Heartless]

Heartless is very likely to be human and not scum.

sigh

[Heartless]

hello everyone welcome to

lets tell scum and cult who to recruit

, agnigi's new hit game show

[Heartless]

Heartless is very likely to be human and not scum.

this make doubt you

its kinda came from nothing.

hello everyone welcome to

lets tell scum and cult who to recruit

, agnigi's new hit game show

and this feels so fake

~Ice

are you being deliberately dense?

i dont see how you can take that swipe at me and at the same time apparently miss what was said in the posts you quoted

[Heartless]

i think it happened and i dont rly want to talk any more about it

[Heartless]

VOTE: song of ice and fire

[Heartless]

no one is trying to make this theater except for you

YOURE making this into a circus

[Heartless]

Thats a really scummy reaction though

why

why is that a scummy reaction?

[Heartless]

thats what i thought

[Heartless]

it's not ideal for the information to be out there for OBVIOUS reasons

do you not get that?

[Heartless]

I mean I can't understand why you reacted like "hey shut up why are you claiming an inno on us we might get culted" instead of "why you claimed such a thing whin its obviously bad for X and Y"

i am talking to someone who apparently did not read the first posts

[Heartless]

the race check being legit doesn't mean nero's town and yes i understand that

[Heartless]

are YOU listening to ME?

i dont rly have that much to say rn. tth has been keeping up w/ this better and has a lot more developed reads than me so she can take lead on that.

and ppl spewing out info on a hairpin trigger is pretty par for the course for this game so... no i'm not super paranoid if thats what youre demanding

[Heartless]

@heartless so you had no reads in this cuase you were away , k . now you were here enough to see that event happen and commented on it, why you didn't try to sort it out and just yelled at it?

because after "yelling at it" i wanted to DROP IT

there's nothing to "sort" right this instant and i dont even know what that means anyway

[Heartless]

I looked at Isolationist interactions with a triple ISO of Cephrir + Salt Squad + RAM.

Probably not Isolationist: Wayward Thinkers, Almost50, DrippingGoofball, Bacde, Nosferatu, Mathblade, davesaz, Wake88, No Retreat, rb, Expedience

Could be Isolationist: Tim, A Song of Ice and Fire, TWIE, Toogeloo, RachMarie

All three went after Wayward Thinkers at some point. They didn't ever really go after each other hard until the guilty on Salt Squad. In fact, it's looking to me like they're trying to townread each other as much as possible. Couple that with multiball and I don't think bussing was a big thing they were doing here.
Almost50 is another player they all took aim at.
Bacde/KlingonCelt is another.
davesaz is another. There's also 4775.

It's trut that DrippingGoofball

did

tunnel on LLD for and defending Salt. But I think it would've been weird for her to bus RAM and Cephrir like she did, especially given RAM's powerful role. References: 2002, 2071, 3464

Nosferatu shared the Cephrir result.

From the way this bunch talks to MathBlade, I don't think she's Isolationist. For examples of what I'm talking about: 1714, 1732, 3353, 5299

Salt Squad was townreading the Wake slot but Cephrir pretty consistently went after it hard. 1925 and 5080 are a couple examples.

No Retreat's Isolationist selective scumhunting is probably not from an Isolationist unless he's really laying it on thick.

rb's interactions with RAM didn't look like bussing around the 2309 area.
Speaking of "probably not bussing," quote pyramid in 2317 points to "Not Isolationist" Expedience.

TWIE is oddly high in Cephrir's reads list, 3360

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Then I did the same thing for Wulden.

Probably Not Wulden: Expedience, Almost50, DrippingGoofball

Could Be Wulden: Bacde, Nosferatu, Mathblade, Wayward Thinker, davesaz, Wake88, Tim, No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire, rb, TheWayItEnds, Toogeloo, RachMarie

Interactions that probably aren't bussing:
Expedience, 2127 and 4071
Almost50, 4216

This one's a lot more scant, but from Day 2 on LLD was mostly treated as having a guilty on her head so I could easily imagine her being bussed by at least some of her team.

---

I did this back before I had the MathBlade flip so I need to redo the Wulden and then re-examine my overall reads taking Cult and whatnot into account (I don't really know how I'm going to do that -.-). I also need to update it for events that happened today (I see Wake and Rach claimed masons).
I thought it would happen tonight but it ended up not so I'm just posting what I already did.

[Heartless]

Nero... you prick

[Heartless]

I'm thumbing through this game while waiting for Parasyte to come on.

Bacde, could you please explain as thoroughly as you can (without illegal quoting) what the "spy" stuff is all about? Assume nothing and start at the beginning.

From what I can see out here, I can't figure out what it's based on and I'm questioning the whole "mole in the neighborhood" dogma that's been established.

[Heartless]

I really dislike dave's posting today.

[Heartless]

The spy angle is pretty logical, and a bunch of people here know how much I love logical things, but I'm wary of it being bait. Having said that, I think it's dangerous enough that it needs resolving sooner or later. I'd definitely prefer something a bit more concrete but there are still weeks left to switch if something juicier shows up.
VOTE: Bacde

Going back to the old, stale, stuffy "spy" angle and calling that "logical"
Then throwing in all this meek wording "I'm wary of it being bait" "I'd definitely prefer something a bit more concrete"
He is trying to not make waves.

VOTE: davesaz

[Heartless]

I could also probably vote Tim.

[Heartless]

{Franky, Toogeloo, Skybird, TWIE}

Unless we start seeing some activity out of these slots soonish, I could get behind voting in that group.

Given that Franky is now Rach and the Rach/Wake mason claim, this post confuses me a little.

[Heartless]

I mean, it's not like he can townread Franky with only 3 posts.

Maybe not.
But saying you're willing to kill your mason partner. That's cold.

[Heartless]

please so we don't have 15000 point font again

You know I ♥ you Wake

And I hope you are town after all and not the destroyer dude, I really hope so. But it would be awfully ballsy to focus on destroyer dude like you are if you were that role.

If this is shtick, you two are

dedicated.

[Heartless]

We were also told from mastin that our faction might have a wulden spy. And that the only races that could be in our faction were undead or wulden

Where is this from?
Your role PM? The OP of the neighborhood thread?

Is this flavor speculation or did mastin tell you in black and white there might be a Wulden infiltrator?

[Heartless]

It is weird how the individual vampire and human wincon is different from the individual wulden one :/

It is more weird, that it seems to align with MINE, but different.
SPECIALLY knowing that our spy must be Wulden.

As crazy as this game is, the spy could be an ally...

Stormblade hopping on the LLD wagon without seemingly interacting with the Salt Squad claim makes almost no sense. It seems VERY opportunistic to say the least. It's one of the reasons that I think something funny is going on. But see the thing is I had a town read on them beforehand. It could be possible that Stormblade like the majority of everyone else seems to confuse race and wincon but it contributes to my punting on the Salt Squad bit for now. They said it doesn't 100% indicate it, yet they vote it as if it DOES and don't ask any investigative questions before doing so. They eventually unvote at entertaining the possibility, but if they knew it wasn't 100% indicative why weren't they asking questions first?

Reasonable point, I'll try to explain. Basically, there's a LOT of indication that Wulden are our enemies, especially for me because my faction's "spy" should it exist is Wulden. Basically, the vote was a knee-jerk reaction because I want the Wulden scumteam dead. Not to mention putting pressure on the slot is one way to get them to explain themselves faster, though I can't honestly claim that's what was going through my head. Forgive me if this game has left me frazzled. Once LLD explained themselves and I really thought about it, I backed off. ABR still thinks they're scum though so I guess we're voting there.
-Nahdia

Remember when the US got caught spying on Germany & the UK? True story. Angela Merkel was NOT happy.

Embarrassing, what with our countries being friends and all.

Erk

[Heartless]

I might have to eat a little crow here.

I could see MathBlade/Klingon scum being a thing. MathBlade hard scum read Klingon this whole time but never once voted her and only voted Bacde when it looked like his slot was doomed.
Klingon has this odd mix of "there is no spy" and "well maybe the spy is friendly" going on.

[Heartless]

It was a mod error on night 2, I said already, I got nation instead of location.

It didn't suggest that he was scum. The result was meaningless to me.

I didn't think he was human *shrug emoji*

Did mod confirm there were mod errors that occured in game?

~Fire

No, mod made a mistake with one of my results as well there has been no in game.confirmation

What was the mistake?

[Heartless]

i race checked dave night 2.

if the result was wulden or nosferatu im just assuming this would have a vote tacked on...?

[Heartless]

that comment doesn't really do anything other than make the game more toxic

[Heartless]

human treaty wincon.

this seems to be the favorite fakeclaim of flipped scum

which makes me wary

[Heartless]

you assume correctly.

ok so to be clear you don't have a nosferatu/wulden/lycan/alien-with-tentacles-sprouting-out-its-ass-whos-obviously-scum result, right?

as in, if dave ends up being scum we should turn around and lynch you?

[Heartless]

you know... i still dont understand how bacde saw nos (and now apparently ram?) and rach even though nos and rach claimed to target two DIFFERENT people (who werent luna)

AND he missed toog

[Heartless]

Well pretty sure they are fake claiming it because dude first day actually was alligned to town and did flip individual vamp doc. they must have seen that and decided to use it uggh

mastin explicitly said she gave scum fakeclaims

[Heartless]

But yeah he is undead I know that because the flips verify my results are correct.

that and avoiding the possibility of fucking over luna/copper/the other undead are p much the only things deterring me from lynching him

[Heartless]

actually im looking at mathblades iso and she goes after the klingon slot pretty relentlessly while molly coddling lld. it would be kind of weird to protect a useless buddy and bus one that actually posts.

not rly feeling bacde being wulden.

[Heartless]

i could prob lynch tim

[Heartless]

flipped scum from separate factions have each gone after WT pretty hard too

my interest in lynching that slot is waning

[Heartless]

where did nos disappear to?

[Heartless]

VOTE: tim

[Heartless]

VOTE: davesaz

[Heartless]

so far I would not rule out others

it seems logical that there are other individuals who are not human but allied with human and win with humans through the treaty wincon.

"Other"?
Who's the other?

[Heartless]

??

I don't understand why you think that only ppl who died are the only possible win cons in this game

true, there could be other wincons, but out of the six factions that have flipped, there's only been one that had the human treaty wincon.

Exactly. And they weren't "individual" anything.

[Heartless]

What are you talking about Rach?

You win when all threats to the Individual Vampire faction have been eliminated.

This was the individual vampire win condition.
No mention of human treaty.

[Heartless]

Win condition wasn't redacted for anyone. The only flips that include the "human treaty" clause are those undead "risen slaves."

The whole "I'm individual but I win with the human treaty" are what LLD and Ceph barfed out and look what they flipped. dave's trying to walk it back now but I'm not buying.

[Heartless]

UNVOTE:

[Heartless]

I'm likely dying soon (THANKS EXP!) so I figure I'll just be "leashed" and i'll use my vig shot as a double lynch but its still mine so I'll have my own pool but you guys get to help decide. So depending on the lynch I still want to shoot within

3. Bacde
12. davesaz
20. rb
23. Expedience
26. DrippingGoofball

If anyone has any major concers with me killing anyone on this list speak up.

take dgb off there

[Heartless]

VOTE: tim

yeah im thinking i want this over wt

[Heartless]

can anyone give a refreshed and concise case on wt?

b/c i feel like that's something that most ppl are just kinda defaulting back to

i don't think they're on either of the scumteams. i guess they could still be cult.

but i could see tim as either groupscum or cult

[Heartless]

reasons
leave it at that

[Heartless]

How much do you trust the "masons"? Pls help me lynch the cult leader.

tbh...

not that much

and yeah sounds like a plan now who is it

[Heartless]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Heartless]

split second impression....



i do not like that claim

[Heartless]

remind me what your faction is rach

[Heartless]

so... all that stuff from wake about the northern tribes was bullshit?

did he retract that somewhere and i just missed it?

[Heartless]

ok.....

it's late and im tired and prob being stupid rn but something seems really weird about all this

[Heartless]

what you all knew my name and that alexis was my gf?

so... you had a flavor connection BEFORE the game and then happened to end up together...?

[Heartless]

ok.....

it's late and im tired and prob being stupid rn but something seems really weird about all this

And here comes Scum looking to doubtcast.

Rach, target sighted.

tth has been questioning ya'll long before this so why is this just now an issue for you?

[Heartless]

and if you targeted a50 and didnt die doesnt that kinda... disprove a pgo claim...?

what am i missing?

[Heartless]

OHHHHHHKAY

that logic is terrible but at least i get it now

[Heartless]

ok i feel like my heads full of swiss cheese rn so i have to go to bed

i have to think on how this works and talk to tth about this game

[Heartless]

checked RAM got nos and that he was SCUM had he not died in the night I was gonna so get him lynched uggh

how would you know he was scum with a nos check?

[Heartless]

We have 11 days left in the day... 11. I am not getting why I am going to be lynched with 10 days left in the day.

This game is really hard to keep track of. I have things going on... I had no idea this game was going to be so complex, honestly.

I'll claim tomorrow.

quoting this so that tth can come back after me and find an appropriate gumball reaction gif

[Heartless]

lq is on

i see no claim

[Heartless]

/jeopardy music

[Heartless]

fun fact: lq has been on site all weekend and still has yet to claim

[Heartless]

I think remaining scum are in {RachMarie/Wake88, davesaz, Nosferatu, Tim}

I'll hammer if WT hasn't claimed by the time I go to bed tonight.

[Heartless]

After WT flips scum, which was pretty obvious since D1 imo via play, I'd probably cast a hard eye on heartless

Yeah, you do that.

I don't think WT is going to be groupscum. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised by a cult flip . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Heartless]

Rach/Wake don't make much sense as scum now. They could've saved us a LOT of time (and saved me some effort) if they had agreed Wake was recruited last night when I brought it up.

What do you mean? :S

[Heartless]

17:5:5:1 doesn't sound balanced

[Heartless]

why is it so hard for peeps to get this

Hi Rach. ^_^

So this is a public mechanic mastina posted in her rule set:

Each faction, if possessing a non-human race, has a one-shot ability to recruit a human to their faction. Emphasis "human". This ability will fail if more than one faction attempts this on the same target. This ability does not work on all humans. Regardless of success or failure, this ability is used up once activated. (The recruiter will be informed if they fail, but not the reason why.) In short, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled. It can happen, though, so be cautious!

Which means, scum have the same ability you are claiming to have used on Wake! The way you claimed masons also didn't feel particularly transparent and honest.

It doesn't help that Wake's play for today is essentially to only show up to snarl at people not townreading you.

So I

get

it. I'm just not townreading it.

[Heartless]

If Wake could do something other than posture, that would go a long way towards making me feel better about you two.

[Heartless]

@Heartless:

It would be resolved overnight. If Rach IS scum, the other scum team have a clear target and we don't even need to interfere. If she flips town though, her faction continues with a chance to win via Wake. Now let's worry about the players with no clear links. This one is pretty obvious and once one of them flips we will know for sure.

I agree with this.

[Heartless]

Anyone else have anything that needs saying today?
Speak now or forever hold your peace.

[Heartless]

Oh, did we mass claim location/nation checks?

[Heartless]

I don't see the harm.

We did location.
N1: Song's location was Other
N2: Cephrir's location was Great Lake
N3: DGB's location was Erimos

[Heartless]

What's the difference between a nonrecruiting cult and a scum faction?

[Heartless]

If we're to assume scum factions have a factional kill, your nonrecruiting cult faction would need a some hefty perks to be able to compete with the Wulden and Isolationists.

[Heartless]

VOTE: Wayward Thinkers

[Heartless]

If we're to assume scum factions have a factional kill, your nonrecruiting cult faction would need a some hefty perks to be able to compete with the Wulden and Isolationists.

Which they would have if they were all human...
That could be plausible?

[Heartless]

It's probably best not to announce that.

[Heartless]

But obviously not Bacde.