Gistou (Over!)

[Bacde]

Not saying it did it just makes me wish I had a 1 shot strongman vig power preferably a DAYVIG one.

I'd see you do it tho so look out

[Expedience]

Bacde, we're lynching rb because he claimed a wulden race miller (comes up as wulden when he's actually human) on d5, but he was checked on n1 as a human. So he was probably human who got recruited to wulden.

He has never addressed this, just spewing the same confidence nonsense.

[rb]

Except I did. TWIE be lying yo

[TheWayItEnds]

yeah cause that makes sense.

[Almost50]

Bacde, we're lynching rb because he claimed a wulden race miller (comes up as wulden when he's actually human) on d5, but he was checked on n1 as a human. So he was probably human who got recruited to wulden.

He has never addressed this, just spewing the same confidence nonsense.

Why lynch the recruitED and not the recruitER??

[Almost50]

I mean, that IS my point. We lynch the REDIRECTOR first, then we lynch the Human who got Wuldened.

[Expedience]

I don't know who is scum other than rb but it's a good chance that some people are.

I'm supporting lynching the scum we are most sure about in case the vig shots fail. Furthermore, rb wants to be shot so maybe he's bulletproof or something. It's not a huge deal but I can see a scenario in which asoiaf is town, I can see no scenario in which rb is town.

I don't think there is any evidence to suggest another redirector because No Retreat's shot went through on Nosferatu.

[mastin2]

trivia

On Agnigi, professional pikemen mostly exist as mercenary soldiers. While there are often situations where their specialized services make them indispensable (thus their need), many other forms of troop have far cheaper, easier, and pragmatic methods of stopping cavalry charges: fixing bayonettes on muskets, longbowmen using wooden poles, foot soldiers equipped with spears, cavalry with lances, etc.

Seventy-seventh Votecount

:

(Sixth Votecount D5)

rb - 4 (Expedience, No Retreat, DrippingGoofball, RachMarie)

Tim - 2 (Almost50, A Song of Ice and Fire)

A Song of Ice and Fire - 1 (rb)

Not Voting - 5 (davesaz, Wake88, TheWayItEnds, Tim, Bacde)

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 5's deadline is Thursday, September 8th, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-09-08 21:00:00).
At Deadline,

rb

would be lynched.

Known Player V/LAs:

• No Retreat
  (August 15th - August 19th, 2016)

[Almost50]

I don't know who is scum other than rb but it's a good chance that some people are.

I'm supporting lynching the scum we are most sure about in case the vig shots fail. Furthermore, rb wants to be shot so maybe he's bulletproof or something. It's not a huge deal but I can see a scenario in which asoiaf is town, I can see no scenario in which rb is town.

I don't think there is any evidence to suggest another redirector because No Retreat's shot went through on Nosferatu.

1- rb cannot be redirector based on the assumption he was HUMAN who got Wuldened.

2- He "could" be BP, but we can always lynch him tomorrow if that's the case.

3- A vig shot cannot fail if we do lynch the redirector. THAT is out biggest problem now. Get rid of the redirector and all shots and investigations will hit their intended targets.

4- Tim stating he will target ASoIaF is also bugging me. He is hinting he has a PR that's not a killing role, but it could be that he's gambiting so that we would think twice before vigging him.

rb -on the other hand- claimed he had no active role (he would be caught in an outright lie if he had one, so I'm inclined to believe that bit). He cannot turn himself into a PGO by targeting ASoIaF at night, so -at least- one of the Vigs will survive (one could be killed by scum, but the other cannot also be dead due to PGO action).

Think about it. We need to protect our own PRs just as much as we need to hunt down for the remaining scum.

[Tim]

Almost, have you considered that, shocker, nosferatu could have been lying? There does not have to be wulden redirector. There wasn't a nosferatu rolecop. Also "hinting"? Read my claim again. For someone so interested in my lynch you sure seem not to be able read my posts

[RachMarie]

yeah that is a good possibility after all nos was the cult leader, he would have good reasons to lie.

[Tim]

Actually just thinking about it again, unless bacde left a redirector out of his watch result, that redirector should have shown up along with Nos visiting RAM.

Anyway that avatar of almost is pretty appropriate considering the lengths he's going to to bury his head in the sand

[RachMarie]

I want to throw rotten tomatoes at bacde believe me I do.

[Bacde]

=[

[Almost50]

For someone so interested in my lynch you sure seem not to be able read my posts

Everybody's saying something and a few are even evading answers too. It's confusing, and I'm paranoid. You may as well make it easy for everybody and claim your role and stuff.

As for the redirector, there's no lying involved. RAM did flip a redirector, so the Wuldens do have a redirector like 90%.

As it satnds, 2 Individual Humans dead + 3 alive simply does not compute. We know there were 3 Northern Tribes Faction members at the start of the game (Me, Heartless & Wake) and thus there has to be 3 starters from each of the other 2 "non-individual" Humnan Factions.

Titus is the one flipped Westerner, so we have 2 alive who started as Western. No Retreat is Eastern, and we have 2 alive who started as Eastern. They may have been converted, granted, but that's another matter.

We have Me, No Retreat as 100% confirmed identities, and we we have Rach as the most likely confirmed of the rest bc her claim fits everything, including her role.

I can confrim rb started as an Individual Human, but I cannot tell 100% if he was converted.

Now dave, DGB & TWIE are the 3 who have yet to claim their factions, but even if they do we still need one more started as either West or East (depending on their claims).

Then we need ROLES to be claimed too, as well as other details like Nation & Location for the game to be solved. I need Expedience -for example- to claim his role, as well as Tim, TWIE & DGB.

Until such details are on the table, I will hold on to the most probable solution I have based on the existing data. I may change my mind based on further claims being provided, so -if you're town- you need to provide your own detaiols and pressure those who have yet to give theirs to provide them too.

[TheWayItEnds]

can someone remind me if rach claimed her race?

[RachMarie]

Just come out and say it A50 instead of dancing around the edges, you are asking for full mass claims

starting with the location nation race stuffs

then finally the roles

Pedit Im Nicholas, bf to Alexis, individual nos roleblocker free checker (which means I can check any of the three of race, nation, location) I also had a one shot recruitment to my faction which I used to save Wake's life by turning him also individual nos and making us masons basically.

I have no killing ability and we win with the humans.

[Almost50]

Actually just thinking about it again, unless bacde left a redirector out of his watch result, that redirector should have shown up along with Nos visiting RAM

That is not true. The redirector targeted Bacde and Bacde's action is the one affected. Whom they directed it to doesn't matter and would not appear in the Watch results (otherwise every watcher/tracker would know if they were redirected bc the redirector's name will always appear in their reports).

To make it even more clear; if RAM was a PGO, would the redirector have been dead? Obviously not, as they did not target RAM directly.

[Almost50]

can someone remind me if rach claimed her race?

Nosferatu of the Individual Nosferatu Faction.

[RachMarie]

yeah the redirection was done on bacde I can confirm that since I checked on RAM not Luna

[TheWayItEnds]

Bacde, we're lynching rb because he claimed a wulden race miller (comes up as wulden when he's actually human) on d5, but he was checked on n1 as a human. So he was probably human who got recruited to wulden.

He has never addressed this, just spewing the same confidence nonsense.

Why lynch the recruitED and not the recruitER??

because the wulden only have the one recruit and they're both scum and it doesnt matter which one we kill first. Like its a pretty different situation than normal cult recruiting thats why.

[Almost50]

Just come out and say it A50 instead of dancing around the edges, you are asking for full mass claims

That's absolutely true. I think a mass claim is the way to go right now, because there's not much room fro scum to hide anymore. That and the fact the stronger Town PRs are outed already, so scum are hiding in the minority of those who have yet to claim. There's not even a reason for someone to fear being NK'd or RB'd or redirected, bc.. let's face it: What scum would direct "something else" and leave two Town Vigs and a Town RB alive and not redirected.

And -even assuming they do- that would be most pro-town play. Claim and take a bullet for the town to save a Town Vig/RB. It doesn't make sense for anyone to stay in the shadows now.

[Tim]

Almost, I've already claimed a while ago, right when you insisted I full claim.

Ruvias Severn,
Individual Human Oracle,

race = human
nation = west
location = great ridge

abilities:
-active: Can determine if someone has been culted/recruited or not (that includes all factions, cult/scum/individual anything)
-passive: Can't be culted/recruited myself

wincon is Individual Human

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Bacde claimed to see RAM visit RAM, so for this game at least, if RAM had been a PGOized, he could have conceivably killed himself (even though that's not what happened this game)

[Almost50]

Oh! That ORACLE bit is all that I needed.

VOTE: rb

[Almost50]

Also Rach can block ANYONE she sees fit to. IF rb flips "Town" though I'd recommend blocking Expedience for now.