Gistou (Over!)

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that is with the knwoledge he failed his 2 first actions on me and RAM

he was a full checker. I'm sure he is not that unlucky to fail the rest two.

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You race checked bacde night 3 not him

I don't know your last night check and his night 3 check and his last night check I guess ?

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oh that makes sense

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4 isolationists are dead / 2 wuldens

4 siolationists are all pure isolationists - started like that (the way their role pm's are written and their powers)

so if the game is mirrored there are 2 pure wuldens out there and if twie is telling the truth rb is culted to be wulden so that makes them 3 atm

if isolationists are wiped and assuming nos got two other people culted on next nights there are 5 scum alive.

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I think rb started game as human but wulden afction culted him with their one shot not human factional cultie thing mastin told us in first post - there was no reason for him to fake claim a wulden miller otherwise.

I think game started at 4/4/1(cult) which both 4 member faction could get someone new with them. i think isolationists hadn't anyone culted at start of day 2 cuase SS was trying so hard to stay alive to make someone culted - probably making them vampire isolationist like themselves. in night 2 isolationists got wiped and probably they failed at recruiting anyone.

I think isolationists are wiped.

Nos on other hand failed his first 2 night recruit. we know he had a nos result on cephir from night 1 but he tried to get ram culted on night 2 cuase he was thinking he will be vigged? this is a mystery atm

so nos had 2 other nights to get someone culted. at worst case scenario he got two other people culted and we are dealing with 3 wuldens and 2 others atm.

Others can still cult cuase the recruit ability is a factional thing (read nos role pm)

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ahh so there was the potential of everyone being culted so you think that is all they can do and they can't kill?

what?

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Rach you have a sirious communication problem

Mastin what is your preferense ? can people target themselves or is there a normal limit on this?

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I can see your point

this is why we nee dto wait for mastian first and talk about it.

I played as a self watcher once

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oh ALSO

@ASOFAI

I DID TARGET YOU LAST NIGHT. TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.

Thats good

no scum will dare to touch you again

I wastrying to find the heartless kill source when I asked that question

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oh ALSO

@ASOFAI

I DID TARGET YOU LAST NIGHT. TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.

I am not scum

I am the reason Ram is dead and no one else has anything to deny that

I am explaining every details about my role

I will make a list. There are 4 or 5 scums in a 12 player game when we have 3 night kills each night right now. This is already semi LYLO

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Ice head talking : I have a limited access and poor network condition till next sunday.

I want to make a list. we have good leads to POE scum. don't end the day please.

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I mean I understand that I'm going to get vigged ; let me make my last will before ending it

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Why are you assuming proof of role = proof of alignment, especially for a probable cultist? I don't see you extending that same logic to bacde, so why do it for ASoIAF?

Neither twie, dgb, nor davesaz need to claim anything today really, when we're Lynching rb.

Speaking of, I'm pretty ok with the day ending. I don't think there's much more to say.

VOTE: Rb

Proof of role in my case is proof of a killing ability . only people with killing abilities are champions and that is a flavor proof of what I've been claiming.

another aspect of these roles is that they can't get culted

so here that is . I can see why your trying to deny the rest of this argument and focusing on its first part though after all I'm like the best mislynch bait atm.

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k me trying to find all 4/5 scums:

these people are clear :
Almost50
No retreat
ASOIAF

this player is wulden : rb

so that is 8 player 4/3 scum:
DGB was cleared by TWIE Night 4 claimed day 5 so either TWIE and DGB are both

I just checked. all 3 fations had a race check. a vampire had race check. that makes me think all races had a seprate race checks and I think I know what TWIE is.

The people who are in center of suspicious in order : Tim (cause his claim is so fake >.>) , Exped , Dave , DGB , Rach , Wake , TWIE , Bacde

I still think something is not ok with rach - Wake claims . thats obviously a pair so if one is cult the other is as well. if one is wulden the other is as well. I request a check on one of them.

I am ok with lynching rb .

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So ASOIAF the entire reason you thought I was wrong about you being cult was that I was probably cult and that's how I knew Nosferatu was Cult Leader. It should be really super blatantly obvious how cult you are at this point. Song needs to die.

The moon is blue and the sky is purple

nice

1- me suspecting your culted started yestreday or the day before that cuase your tone was changed. you confirmed it today by saying I am a miller while you were race checked as human night 1

2 - that has absoloutly no relation to me being culted or not. I already talked about my role and who I can't be culted and explained it from all aspects and proved what i could prove.

3 - The fact your trying to say cuase i think your not a part of cult now (which is completly based on what you claimed and has no effect on the game condition and the fact your scum anyway) has any relation for me not being cult or not is such an obvious BS attempt for mudding the ground and your agenda is clear here.

The entire reson I thoght I'm not cult is becuase I'm not cult you are definitly culted (by wuldens I assume cuase you claimed wulden) and the fact you didn't know nos was cult leader is showing I can be wrong about the pushes I make sometimes cuase you know I'm a human.

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so your cult or wulden after all?

cuase your one of them and the fact you claimed wulden race miller is hinting at being wulden

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FFS

*facepalm*

there are 20 page discussion and me proving my flavor and role and all the aspects of the fucking situation. Its really frsutrating when a scum like you come out and just shitting all over it without refrenscing to anything about telling "thats not even a question at this point".

if I'm getting vigged then fine.

I am fucking unlucky yeah but I'm not the mislynchbait you can hang on to survive. your whole shitshow is rigged.

I think you were informed about nos being culted cuase the way you attacked me back there with a simple watcher result makes no sense. I have no idea how a wulden had info about nos being cult leader but that makes no sense from an uninformed person . and this is not why your getting lynched anyway.

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I mean I can see how the only thing your doing atm instead of defending yourself from TWIE claim is to attack me - not in a way to sort me or any shit your just throwing mud to make sure they will kill me tonight -

others are blind if they can't see it.

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Rach

they are 8 people with 3 or 4 scum in it.

I'm like 80% sure Tim is one of them cause he made that comment about visiting me tonight and he tried to understand how my killing works and his whole claim seems pretty much made up.

so that's 7 people with 3 or 2 scum.

the point is in this 7 you and wake are either isolationists together or cult together and because I'm sure there was no other isolationists at game start and only 1 person could be culted by them your either two remaining cult or town. that's why checking one of you two is very important at this stage. but I can live if TWIE don't do that,

I trust TWIE cause I think he is the replica of our day 1 lynch. I might be wrong in this

Bacde is undead watcher

I think the other wulden and the remaining cult or the other two cults are all in Exped , dave , dgb .

I don't beleive exped individual undead. I think the setup has too many undeads as it stands and there might be something fishy here (one of bacde or exped is not what it must be) and I think its more likly exped cause I think there is no excuse for his way of outing nero

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I am not voting rb atm because I'm not online the way I usually am and no retreat asked for a longer day.

I am here to answer any questions about my reads and anything about myself . plus you can count my vote on rb or Tim

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I said I request a check on one of them

what are you talking about

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only one player was starting as western kingdom almost thats the wrong aproach. numbers mean nothing here

@Tim I see what your saying , yeah I guess that clears rach and wake and I feel better about you after this ,

now I'm not cult what can I do fix that impression on you? if you beleive I'm culted and so you think there are up to 6 scum atm not 5. the starting point of my claculation is based on me not being culted cuase I'm not.

I'm really concerned about how nights might go and stuff might happen

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unless I missed a west kingdom claim?

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there are at least 2 wulden out there beside rb

you can't beleive everyone. I beleive there is a good chance that all other 2 wuldens are in human claimers.

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why you didnt claim the fact you targeted me before when i asked it?

what is a recruit check?

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what was your results so far ?

and kindly stop fishing my abilities condition and boundries. i claimed what i should have

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almost i belive west and east both started with 1 players but now that there is dgb claiming west this needs to get investigated.

lurking and bussing is dgb's scum meta though so please consider that

according to nation even if you beilive im culted and im not what i claimed then i started as human and my nation claim is correct anyway so either dgb is lieing and is not west and your wrong with your calculations or tim is lieing and we are the only 3 individual humans . < this is me prooving there is a scum in dgb tim if not two

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VOTE: rb L1

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what a disastrous play exped ... for real

3. Bacde ? [prob clear]
7. Almost50 [clear]
15. Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan) ?
16. No Retreat (Nero Cain + Yume) [clear]
17. A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen Angel + Firebringer) [us = clear]
25. TheWayItEnds [lycan? need to claim immidiatly] ?
26. DrippingGoofball ?
28. RachMarie [clear]

seems easy enough. assuming cult successfully did their action successfuly last night at Worst case there are 4 scums (3 cult + 1 wulden) . The most possible and beleivable is 3 scum or 2 scum with asuuming one cult fail last night or on previous nights.

the omly players with chance to be them are "?"ed.

Thx for believing me almost.

I don't believe eastern kingdom started with one player and western started with 2. this make sense in no other way unless we have a east kingdom play immediately.

VOTE: Dgb

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east kingdom claim* I mean

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oh fuck I just read dave flip

he wasn't human and he was culted :O

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ARE YOU EVEN READING THE FUCKING GAME

I FULL CLAIMED AND TOLD YOU MY RACE YESTERDAY

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I assumed you saw hybrid when you said I'm cleared.

have you even read any shit happened in game?

"your cought?"

are you fucking kidding me?

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FACE PALM

I'm a claimed miller

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what you got?

tell me the exact wording

just other?

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THERE WAS A HINT TO ME BEING HYBRID OR NOT

START TALKING >.>

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I bet dave was almost kill and exped nero shot

and by EVERY calculation there is another wulden alive so its not really weird to see someone else death in here spescially a semi cleared person after two untargetable town vigs. I guess wulden was afraid about bacde watching you so that makes me think bacde is not wulden

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I got race other but nothing really else no name which is really ODD

all my other targets included their name WTF ?

you didn't got my flavor name or your not sure you were checking me "song of ice and fire" ?

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there is a concern here

dave was a wulden and got culted.

NO ONE IS clear becuase of their race

that means bacde might be CULT even if he was really undead not wulden.

same applies to rach you darling though dave lost his godfather ability when he got other that means you will probably loose your abilities after getting culted by hand of other that means your still clear cuase i confirm you blocked my location check last night.

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Bacde prove you still have your watcher ability in your next post with some solid results

THX

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how was your check on me different than your previous checks. try to list all the different stuff in its structure [Not the result].

compare it with a result on a player who survived that night don't compare it with your Titus/Ram checks.

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If mastin didn't out any flavor info but she was doing that before that means she wants to make sure she won't slip and hint on any aspects of my role being a racial miller and wants to make sure my slot will be framed by a racial check

There isn't any hints on how your check on me went through or any hints about me being vampire / undead hybrid?

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we know the other wulden probably shot wake

and its obvious why. there were 4 obv town (you + nero + almost and wake) and wake was the safest kill. You claimed you visited me the night before so they couldn't kill you last night.

I don't know why should someone visit a bullet proofed uncultable confirmed town as either alignment. unless redirceting maybe?

No retreat is your kill redirceted?

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dgb claim what is the type of your role in your next post

investigative , protective or if your scum go ahead and tell us if it was killing or a cult attempt

thx!

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hey baka!

lets not talk about what she can claim before her claim

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Anyone else find that clause about ambiguous threats in Expedience's role PM weird. Like so far, we haven't actually encountered one of those.

I assumed The new humanity treaty

cause its ambiguous (it still is)

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Bacde can be culted as well

stop ignoring possibilities. dave flip shows even not humans can get culted.

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I want to wait for no retreat

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

Just imagine if i wasn't promising myself to not hydra slip what would happen in this game :/

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dgb why no one else confirmed you as town if your role is pretty much confirm able?

I want a list of all players you targeted so far.

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This is a puzzle I have no rush to finish it without all the pieces around.

we will wait for No retreat.

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neighborizer I guess

so you have heartless role and your claiming to be a western one. I assume ?

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@No retreat

all factions started the game with one champion. every single one of them. There were some one player factions like rach's and exp's but all other factions had a champion.

I am a not countered individual human champion

I am a not counter claimed racial miller in a setup with 3 vigs and 2 godfathers.

Your POE is wrong cuase 1 : I'm proven not wulden ; clearly cult can get all the races culted.

Now if your killing me then fine. I can't see any scenarios town loose this game at this point if they don't play dumb

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I want to know the thing which is confirming DGB is a mod information 100% confirmed TOWN or its just a neighbour kind of ability like a fruit vendor or some shit.

I want to know why is this info stayed hidden from the rest of this town till this point.

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@ No retreat

+ Wake died over rach last night means scum killer is aware that my pgoizer claim is legit

+ I am the reason Ram is dead after the time the cultist was watched visiting me

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Exped was scummy

he played awful as fuck

thats a discussion for post game though

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@rach I am a pgoizer

you claimed visiting me last night

your not reading the fucking game. they chose wake cause if they were trying to kill you last night they would die

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I want to know the thing which is confirming DGB is a mod information 100% confirmed TOWN or its just a neighbour kind of ability like a fruit vendor or some shit.

I want to know why is this info stayed hidden from the rest of this town till this point.

lol. no. Like we are lynching Tim and you even SAID you were ok with getting killed so why are you freaking out here.

I also don't believe your claim.

after all the fuck i did for this game I won't just die without solving the game . No one , not even you can talk to me like that. so fuck of and let me do my job. that has no fucking relation to the fact your going to shoot me or not.

if you don't believe my claim and you want to shoot me thats on you. I did whatever I could to explain this shitty luck of me to get such a role and early game luck in a 28 player game (to be visited by a cult leader on day 1 while someone was watching it). If you want to sort me then we can talk.

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and what I'm doing is not freaking out you peace of shit

I told you my last words last day and did all my prayers for this town then.

I was pretty shocked when I saw I'm fucking alive today.

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I ask to replace out

I don't fucking care its a 329 pages game

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what is it ? I am playeing and i want respect

Why I'm not playing any more mafia games? cuase there are creeps like you in all the fucking games.

If you want to yell and insult others personality go in your bath room and yell as much as you like. then do whatever you like to yourself. I don't have time for this shit

good day everyone

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Shut the fuck up moron

I don't fucking care about the game

I'm angry that i wasted my LIFE playing a game with someone like you who dare to say "I will talk however like with you" and just wants to be an asshole to show his opinion wont change no matter what

I don't even care about your opinion

I hate when I see someone posting "lol" after me trying to leave a shit like this when people just ignore and spit in my face

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I am not a girl to stay when a shit like you dare to talk with me like that.

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VOTE: Tim

Just shoot me at night ok? I really really don't care ; this way someone won't need to read 330 pages to ctach up with this

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I retract my replace out

If you hesitate in killing me tonight I will replace out from this game. I am threatening it.

you wnat to vig me? DO it

I don't care even less. I won't let you make me suffer or insult me like that.

this might be my last post in a mafia game at least people might read this and know why I'm not going to play anymore.

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If the game didn't finish

shoot me and bacde

if it didn't finish with that lynch twie and shoot rach dgb

100% win

have a nice life. feel free to join my games in futere . this game was fun , thx for moderating such an amazing game mastain. sorry if I yelled at you on previous days I simply didn't know how wil this wincons work and I was feeling thrown in a mountain of mud and shit.

GG everyone.

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WTF Nero seriously

Song checked as other, she stated she is miller you are scum reading her,

WAKE FLIPPED exactly what we said he would it confirms me as winning with town

Seriously do you want town to lose

Uggh

what changed your mind about me in the past page?

what a 180

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chnage that order kill rach before twie

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Thats fucking assuming you know what your doing about DGB

if she turns out a culted fruit vendor or some bulshit like that I will litterally punch myself in the face after throwing out my new laptop from window.

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That was not my read that was Nero's

And you stated you wanted to be vigged

I want to be vigged. I can't stand such a shit. my reads were 100% in place sinsce day 2 . I fucking solved mysteries of this game one after another and he fucking comes out and asking me to shut up and then pretend he is the bigger man and he has every right to talk however he wants.

You were townreading me before this. You were talking like I'm a confirmed scum in that post @ nero

what changed your read on me all of a sudden?

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That won't confirm no shit dgb

it only confirms you not lost your ability till last night

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what is your role and who are the fucking people you visited during this game?

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ah I forgot I should not play this game anymore.

your the brain nero

you know what your doing I won't stand in your fucking way.

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That won't confirm no shit dgb

it only confirms you not lost your ability till last night

Uh??? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Whatever

ignore me your confirmed by nero.

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@mastian may I get a modkill? that will be awsome

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I am modding I don't want to be reported and banned.

is suiciding a possibilty?

just finish me off

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Twie not reading or claculting any single clues

rach starting the day with calling me cult for what I claimed in a day before that

and finally town vig who doesnt shoot me but is making my life misrable as fuck

and a firebringer who didn't play this with me and is just forcing me to explain and summerize days after days ...

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getting a not cultable miller role and getting vited by cult leader night 1 and being watched at the same night in a 28 player game

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I have no idea

I have no comment on this

like NO fucking comment on my luck

wanna vig me do it I'm begging you

why are you letting me live. I didn't even try to survive when I claimed. I claimed my race as "Other" yesterday MYSELF. I basically begged you all to just end me if you can. yes I played the game cuase I must. Thats why someone joins a game. To fucking play it. Do whatever you want to me but don't fucking dare insult me or my play

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I claimed pgoizer to get vigged.

like holy fuck why you cant understand it.

I basically invited you all to just SHOOT me

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are you fucking kidding me?

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I am really a pgoizer miller not cultable who got watched night 1 the same night the cult leader visited me.

My hydra partner has basically 0 impact in this game.

This is the only mafia game I'm playing atm and the last one (maybe forever - maybe for a long time) and I already did my part here and solved the game without having any fucking abilities. I solved misteries of this game which you all keep forgetting my answers or obviously skipped some of them multiple times.

the stuff some of you talk about are basically Old news , I am tired angry alone and disgusted by the way everything is. I feel incredibly unlucky - which is completly normal for me cuase I am like the unluckiest person on this planet earth

and my role functions in favor of town if I get vigged.

why wouldn't I like to get vigged?

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break from the game?

fucking finish me off already

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Tim or any wulden/ nosferatu cant get pgoized by targeting me thats the condition

and that pgo will only kill after a certain kind of action not everything.

thats why it was a higly conditional semi pgoizer

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I meant mafia games in general hon not just this one

I'm already not playing anything

I usually play 8 games at the same time cuase I have more time than usual scummers.

this game is just So long ... I mean I wanted to replace out 3 days ago but I was like thats a horrible thing to do . who will replace in a huge game like this.

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@Frozen:

Just pre-in me in your next modded game, alright? If I can't play with you I can at least play under your moderation.

sure!

I just started one (its not my game but I'm its comod)

I will start another after one of two out of three games I'm modding finished. I will count your pre in

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I love you too dgb

I love you all. some of you are dicks and assholes when playing games but I really really don't hate anyone on ms (eh maybe thats a lie I might hate one / or two). I just can't play mafia cuase its too stressful and I can't handle all the disrespects (i'm really sensative and I rage more often cuase of my current situation)

anyway lets not turn mastin game into a sympathy thread.

I will count your pre in's. but if anyone else is intrested in a cowboy bebop or a code geass mafia feel free to pm me (my main!)

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I got culted and I got watched getting culted and you think rb getting culted was worse?

I mean whatever

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I unlocked the "changing alignment midgame" achivement though!

it was fun

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oh btw

Worst scums ever.

Litterally you all made me cry

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that includes myself

No more discussion I won't read anything from this point forward.

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I mean yeah

we were unlucky as I said my faction lost the game night 1. yours lost it night 2 and wuldens lost it by your strongman shot ...

town basically did nothing in this game :/

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and the fact you two faction shot each other like that basically shot The coup de grace on us

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How many scum got lynched?

Salt Squad (Isolationist)who luna had a guilty
Lady Lambdadelta (Wulden) who was outed as wulden by a race checker - not sure who?
Wayward Thinker (Isolationist strongman) who was obvscum as fuck - the one we are all angry at for his strongman uses and stuff
rb (who got culted as wulden) cuase he slipped miller
Tim basically gave up! and was wulden checked by TWIE

the game was over starting of day 4 ... I mean there was absoloutly no chance a bunch of bullteproof uncultable vigs and other conftown players with race checkers , role blocker and an alignment checker loose against a vanilla cult :/

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How many scum got lynched?

2 I think.

How much of this game you read?

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Better question: how many scum got lynched without guilties on them.

The answer to that question is 1.

no its 2

although rb got confirmed as liar becuase he was race cheked as human night 1

but it was not a guilty it was his fualt mainly to claim miller like that

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there were like 6 race checkers in hand of town and its allies and 2 alignemnet checkers ....

like ehhh

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@Cerb I was culted then and I knew a scum wincondition I was just mudding the thread omfg

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Just think it might be a little unfair to say that town was handed the game when they clearly didn't perform terribly.
To complain that town didn't earn the win because a bunch of scum died is to ignore that if town hadn't been lynching on the mark, they probably would have lost given how multiball this was.

Town earned the win. I'm not saying otherwise

I have balance argues and some complains about how some scums played their games ... cuase thats why we lost the game! but thats fine

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Cheetory: most of those lynches were driven by guilties, which sorta deprives them of any merit. :p

Gotta target the right person to get a guilty.
Gotta leave PRs alive for them to drive guilties.
Gotta not have the multiball factions muddying the waters with fakeguilties either.

*shrug*

Just think that people should have known what they were getting into with how this game was advertised.

there were 8 town investigators and 4 confirmed town in a 28 player setup

not sure what are you trying to say cheet. this town was op.

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the setup factions and races were to fitted on each other

mastian was refusing to give us a fake claim for race other and then I was like

we're fucking screwed this race checkers are alignment cops in this setup. the very basic assumption of mastian was people will listen to her and will assume all races may have good or bad people but it wasn't the case and people will go with the thing they can see in a pattern. it was obvious town would win with just lynching all not human / undead and stuff ... two godfathres was not really a problem in a setup with all these investigators. plus there was two alignment cops and a 5 player masonary in this game that I didn't even mentioned earlier

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Better question: how many scum got lynched without guilties on them.

The answer to that question is 1.

yeah I missed that masonary in my first calculations

9 conftown

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I was at end game with 2 uncultable vigs and 2 naighboured people 1 with so many guilties on different people , 1 conftown and with rach how got conftown becuase she was nos and the way wake flipped!

I can hardly assume in any run of this game a scum wins.

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i still thing there was a crazy excess of strongmen in this game though.

are you kidding me

there were three unclutable bluet proof vigs

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@Tim

dave was never around!

even I couldn't communicate with him

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I mean three Conf town uncultable bullet proof Vigs

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i'm not kidding. there was an excess of bulletproofs too. the arms war of tons of strongmen and tons of BPs just makes both roles kind of dumb and frustrating for everyone involved.

there wasn't

the only tool scum could scum possibly use to prevent the end game you observed was using strongman shots.

The very core try for blancing this was with putting strongmans in it.

and That was not enough

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just be sparing with who you assign bulletproof modifiers to and you don't need to give both scumteams and unlimited strongman. the right way to do strongmen (and ninjas for that matter) IMO is to have it be a limited use factional ability.

I agree

thats what I was trying to say. the setup gave scums no chance to win beside those two strongmans.

and cult left screwed cuase the other two team couldn't use their strongman shots properly.

The amount of BP which were thrown around was really really bad. if we only could eleminate those two vigs we had a Chance to pull this off

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and yet, if you took out the strongmen and the vast majority of the bulletproofs, you suddenly have a setup that makes less people feel cheated. amazing how that works.

I'm not saying anyone was cheated or not. My whole point about balance if for anyone who is watching the game and wants to get ideas for their futer games. This game was really townsided by definition and whoever talk otherwise is not really paying attention or just assumes oh fuck there was a cult so it was op let town get whatever makes them Imba.

I'm not trying to critizie what mastin did. what she did was pretty much amazing and it was so fun. I'm just saying it had a great room for making it better - there is basically no perfect but we can move toward perfection can't we?

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without strongman this game was like just give the town victory.

your just pissed about your death and your not seeing the whole picture nahdia.