Mini 536: Heroes Smalltown. Game Over!

[JDodge]

four and a half days without a pick and you can jump in line.

I'm looking for something that will work regardless of which side I'm on.

Definite scum.

Yeah, especially considering alignments haven't gone out yet

brilliant

[JDodge]

I'll take The Haitian

[JDodge]

Until I see something particularly scummy, it seems sensible to figure out which of the roles are significantly more harmful if they are in the hands of scum than they are beneficial if they're in the hands of pro-town players. I haven't given a

lot

of thought to which roles fit into this category, but I think the one that stands out the most to me is the Subliminal Influencer -- while it's conceivable he could determine a scum player by switching the kill to someone else, it's somewhat unlikely and not a 100% guarantee. On the other hand, there's potential to cause massive confusion among pro-town roles by screwing with investigation-type results.

Consequently, I think for a first vote, I'll

Vote: Oman.

Cam

By your logic The Haitain is the most antitown. He's an investigation immune roleblocker that can't block any kills except for Ted's who's a vig likely to be protown. I don't see how any of that is helpful.

vote: Cam

for poor logic

Investigating me is pointless

because

people know this already.

Thus Eden is more dangerous in Cam's logical situation.

Vote: shaft.ed

for even worse logic.

[JDodge]

JDodge just because we know you can't be investigated doesn't mean your power is not antitown.

There are situations where Eden's can be decidedly protown, for instance if Linderman, Nathan, Claude, Parkman or Ted are scum. The only protown effect that the Haitian can ever have is by blocking a scum directed Ted explosion.

But yes rereading Cam's post, Eden is can be quite dangerous as scum, but the Haitian role is almost entirely designed with scum in mind.

Uh, how?

[JDodge]

It's worth nothing that I'm essentially a night-action-immune version of HRG.

[JDodge]

vote mathcam

"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"

quite scummy

Are you thinking? At all?

[JDodge]

vote mathcam

"for proposing a strategy for deciding who to vote for"

quite scummy

Are you thinking? At all?

who proposes a strategy to vote for someone on the fisrt page of voting just based on roles?

Because random voting is just

so

much more useful. It makes sense that until we have info, we go after people who are

potentially the biggest threat to the town

.

[JDodge]

well, i dont typically vote for someone unless I think they are scummy, thus would be ok for a lynch....but it sounds like you are only really proposing a conversation starter..

unvote.

Jdodge...now did you mean voting (like mathcam) or lynching?

Voting, of course.

[JDodge]

I'm treating Eden as a standard busdriver that doesn't effect mafia kills or SK kills. Its considerably underpowered for a busdriver, but I still like the role.

I'd like to ask people, please work off the assumption that I'm town here (as I'm looking for advice). Do you feel that my usage of my power tonight would be a benefit or a detriment to the town?

I'll clarify the above: say I could make Linderman (Doc) protect myself?

I don't like either post.

Unvote, vote: Oman

[JDodge]

dammit, this game is making my brain hurt...granted it is a very small headache, but it hurts none the less.

Jdodge, what about Oman's post did you not like? I think i am missing it.

His wanting to protect himself using the doc, other various minor things in tone that cannot be conveyed into words

[JDodge]

Dodge, please explain what you didn't like about those posts?

I already did

I'm a confirmed townie, the only one I know. Why wouldn't I want to do that?

I dislike the way this is said

[JDodge]

Sick and busy. Will post content soon, but not now.

[JDodge]

Going back through, commenting on what I feel to be important to comment on.

Dodge, please explain what you didn't like about those posts?

I already did

I'm a confirmed townie, the only one I know. Why wouldn't I want to do that?

I dislike the way this is said

By that I assume you mean how he said "I'm a confirmed townie." instead of something along the lines of "I'm the only player I know to be town." If thats the case, I think that's complete bunk.

Yes. I do mean that in the sense that he said "I'm a confirmed townie."

Posts 166-170:I am reminded of how much I despise ZONEFACE's playstyle (or lack thereof). He shouldn't have reacted that way to being asked to answer questions; however, I agree with Adele that the questions seem more like an angry rant.

Post 178:

Also, mathcam's post doesn't seem relevant to me, as its a hypothetical that isn't well...relevant.

much like in Dethy-type games.

They're also not fun.

Ugh. How is submitting a relatively decent-sounding strategy to the town that could indeed help us catch scum with relatively little effort in any way irrelevant? Are you afraid of investigative roles for some odd reason?

CKD's 186 is incredibly unsettling. And his 192.

Regarding 234:

Can the rest of the town please comment on whats going on between zoneace and myself right now.

ZONEFACE is being his usual obnoxious self.

Oh joy

. You're getting a bit too worked up over it; but I understand your frustration.

Post 271 is the main post I want to address, specifically a few big points in shaft.ed's analysis of role towniness:

JDodge: The only pro-town use of this role I could think of was keeping Oman in check, or blocking me from aiding scum powers like Oman's if we were aligned. However, there are a lot of anti-town things he can do with his powers, and he is inherently untrackable. Rank Anti-Town.

As well as being 1 of only two people who can prevent Adele from gaining powers (I think), preventing a possible scum-Linderman from protecting his buddies and preventing a scum-Nathan from helping his buddies.

Me: Basically an extra investigation/Doc protection for the town if myself and the target both survive the night. Could wreak extra havoc if aligned with Oman. Rank Slightly Pro-Town.

You could wreak extra havoc if aligned with

anyone

, really.

Adele: A depository of useful town power roles if town alighned. Can also become an extra independent investigator/Doc starting N2. Only useful antitown if receiving Oman's power. Rank Pro-Town.

Or can be hell later on if she's scum. Furthermore, her role is hardly "pro-town" until she actually has some powers - as it stands, she's essentially vanilla until we've had a night.

Sorry for the relatively half-assed post; but it was all I felt worthy of commenting on.

[JDodge]

shaft.ed is voting me based on my role, mostly, which is interesting, as I chose it before i got my alignment.

Please try to pay attention.

[JDodge]

Gah, posted that before it was finished:

shaft.ed isn't voting you solely on your role. Read his most recent post.

[JDodge]

Ha. What a load of bullshit.

The only person being a useless twat working against us is you, ZONEFACE. Any little argument against you, you brush off as OMGUS for out-of-game reasons. Pull your head out of your ass and start playing the game, please.

I'll post more this evening.

[JDodge]

Umm ive been playing htis game, ive given soilid reasons for my vote. Shea on the other hand continues to lie, and distract from this game by talking about OTHER GAMES. and its cute you defending your friend. maybe take a look at the fact that he's lying, and defending anyone willing to lie.

Yep, go ahead and chalk up my attacks to out-of-game reasoning too. Really makes your non-existent case look tons better. Give me an example of your so-called solid reasons.

[JDodge]

I HATE SHEA and would love nothing more than for him to be out of this game

WINNAR

i can has proven his bias now?

[JDodge]

Honestly, was it any secret that I can't stand shea? He likes to regulary harrass me on AIM as well as here.

Did you happen to miss the part of my post where i said he wasnt the lynch today? Yes i have a personal bia but unlike him however, i can put that aside in this game. I don't want to lynch him today. If i were as biased as you claim I'd be voting for him since the first moment of the day and wouldn't unvote until one of us was dead.

This is :NOTTRUE:

Your not voting him is irrelevant. You don't need to vote someone to have a bias against them.

[JDodge]

so you're claiming you don't have a bias? and neither does he? Please, thats BS. I admitted my bias, but it's not affecting my play. Its there, but its not going to influence my vote.

No, I don't have a bias. You aren't trying to vote him out; you're trying to antagonize him so he replaces out so you don't have to deal with him. Which is

incredibly

childish and immature.

[JDodge]

Nope. I just wanted to contribute something in the meantime whilst I try to find time to do a more in-depth analysis of what has happened recently.

[JDodge]

Post coming over the weekend. I've fallen behind quite a bit and have been having a hard time keeping up.

[JDodge]

Damnit. I forgot this game entirely.

Sorry, I'll catch up soon.

[JDodge]

Mod:

I would like to request replacement at this time. I am sorry for the inconvenience, but I have fallen way too far behind and do not have the time to catch up.