DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Ircher]

Kay, prob. gonna stop at the end of page 10.

[Spiffeh]

For starters he didn't mention anything about mcmenno at ALL and the only time he talked about UT is when he shipped him on the Mastin vote.m

I know it's probably hard to grasp if you're unfamiliar with him but neither of these things are indicative of scum!hiplop imo

The only thing that gave me pause was that fake-sounding "let me go back and check before I keep pushing" shit

town!hiplop is inconsistent and tends to dig himself into a hole so I'm not at all worried about your issues with him

[Spiffeh]

I mean.
He hasn't responded to this [or posted anything else yet].
So I don't really see how you would expect anyone to see this as anything but an unresolved interaction? It's basically him going "i think ur scum because u said im scum" and then you going "now i know ur scum bitchhhhh".
If you want this to be anything more than a petread you should push it better.

Actually I really don't have to because I can just nuke/vig them

But this was in reference to RedCoyote who had Nukebringer pretty high on his reads list

[Spiffeh]

Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.
Doesn't add up.

Cheetory look me in the eye and tell me this read is genuine

I don't need to wait for them to respond because I already explained why it's bullshit

[SpyreX]

SPYREX ARE YOU DRINKING THE SUPER MOONBEAMS WITH ME OR WHAT

WHICH ONES

SDC TOWN?

YEA THAT

AND MR ZITO

SHOULD WE KILL EACH OTHER AGAIN IN DEATHS WARM EMBRACE LATER

[SpyreX]

The mr zito is a reference to town

Fate and I are destined to hold radioactive hands later

[Accountant]

My question to Accountant first

I didn't understand your question so please rephrase it

[Accountant]

@spiff

I'm getting all kinds of bad juju from this.

You were confident enough prior to put mastin on your "solid town" list and yet now here I am putting the slightest pressure on you and that solid town read crumbles?

I just woke up

ya ya i wont nuke moi

terrible fucking response to being called out. it's not even a good excuse

I really get the vibe ep is scum

but he hasnt been here enough to confirm that vibe

throwing shade on ep w/ no reasoning

ya nahdia is scum

is the scumteam really nahdia mcmenno ut????

confident unexplained reads that are just unpopular enough to not look like he's a sheep while being reasonable enough that he won't get questioned on them. not rly a scumtell by itself but if you look at the rest of his posts this totally fits in with hiplop scum way more than hiplop town

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Summary Pg 1-10

1. Pg 1 #8 --> Cheetory asks for an argument for total war.
2. Pg 1 #10 --> Spiffeh plans to nuke Hiplop
3. Pg 1 #23 --> Cheetory shows that no Total War saves town from a single night kill by the mafia.
4. Pg 2 #26 --> Something_Smart : Town at last? Plans on sheeping people he thinks are good.
5. Pg 2 #33 --> Untrod wants to nuke Spyrex before Nukebringer
6. Pg 2 #39 --> Papa Zito asks for people to kill everyone except him
7. Pg 2 #40 --> Cheetory draws target on Something_Smart
8. Pg 2 #45 --> SpyreX suggests that No Nuke == Communist
9. Pg 2 #47 --> Cheet believes Spiffeh to be SK
10. Pg 3 #50 --> SpyreX contemplating Submarine
11. Pg 3 #57 --> Cephir against Total War (get reads first then nuke); also plans to get in Spiffeh's way
12. Pg 3 #60 --> McMenno suggests its a Communist plot to not have total war.
13. Pg 3 #71 --> SpyreX tells McMenno not to get a nuke.
14. Pg 4 #78 --> Guy scumreads Smart for #26
15. Pg 5 #108 --> RedCoyote compiles a useful list concerning the usefulness of roles
16. Pg 5 #117 --> Red against total war & states why
17. Pg 5 #119 --> Mastina disappointed that she didn't get scum
18. Pg 5 #122 --> Mastina spamming the thread about being able to troll since she didn't draw scum
19. Pg 6 #126 --> Nukebringer claims scum
20. Pg 6 #132 --> RedCoyote analyzes and pulls out stuff from previous games
21. Pg 6 #143 --> RedCoyote mentions the American Win in Defcon 3.0
22. Pg 6 #146 --> RedCoyote quotes Magua's troop selection strategy from Defcon 3.0
23. Pg 7 #153 --> Mastina states she hasn't read the thread yet (and may or may not do so)
24. Pg 7 #156 --> UT will nuke Cheetory after the hydra
25. Pg 7 #167 --> Lamb suggests nuking RedCoyote for quoting past games & trying to look useful
26. Pg 7 #172 --> Xreck votes no to Total War
27. Pg 8 #176 --> Lamb requests the Eavesdrop
28. Pg 8 #179 --> Mastina states that if she nukes anyone, she's scum and if she defends herself, she's scum.
29. Pg 8 #180 --> More quotes from RedCoyote; this time about support/anti-support changes from 3.0 to 4.0
30. Pg 8 #197 --> Nukebringer is nuking Cheetory
31. Pg 9 #201 --> Spiffeh calls Errant scum.
32. Pg 9 #207 --> Guy nuking Mastina
33. Pg 9 #212 --> Spiffehs states its scum!Fire (Nukebringer)
34. Pg 9 #218 --> Mastina refuses to share reads because it isnt a troll move
35. Pg 9 #221 --> Lamb is scum according to mastina
36. Pg 10 #225 --> Magna calls RedCoyote scum because he was fence-sitting/testing the waters for the Total War. Also demands town players to claim Counter-Intelligence immediately if they take it.
37. Pg 10 #228 --> Cheet asks Mastina to expand on the Lamb read.
38. Pg 10 #238 --> Accountant will nuke Reckoner for stopping total war.
39. Pg 10 #245 --> Nahdia expresses scumread on Reck, townreads Red, and plans on selecting Counterintelligence

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Cheetory (75%) - I really liked his early posts especially #23; just strong town vibes from this guy.
GuyInFreezer (65%) - I have seen nothing wrong with his posts and the thought process he exhibits seems town-motivated

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Cephir (+20%) - I liked #57, but Cephir hasn't posted enough content to sway me strongly one side or another
Nukebringer (+1%) - Extremely hard to tell here when they're just trolling per usual.
McMenno (0%) - Nothing to convince me one way or another, not even a little.
Papa Zito (-1%) - Not much from here either; kinda didn't like #39 even though its a troll post....
Accountant (-5%) - Not too many posts to go off by, most everything that has been said by Accountant seems to be just rehash material. Not a huge fan so far.
Untrod Tripod (-10%) - Has this slot even done anything constructive yet? Seems to be "Nuking X" then "I'm gonna Nuke Y" with the sole intention of making the thread longer.
Mastina (-20%) - Being utterly useless (KTS useless or worse) and needs rope immediately.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Magna (+50%) - Post #225 was a very strong post and seems to be a typical town!Magna post. (Not sure if I got scum meta with Magna though...)
Nahdia (+45%) - Very clear and articulate; post #210 gave me strong town vibes.
SpyreX (+40%) - I haven't really liked his posts, but I think that's more a personal bias. Probably biased because SpyreX is trolling a good bit.
Lamb (+35%) - Could go either way here, but the fact she called out Red in #167 leans me toward town here.
Spiffeh (-40%) - Main complaint here is Spiffeh's just pointing random fingers at people and saying their scum without backing up their claim. I guess thats really a null tell, but I'm reserving further judgement until I see otherwise.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
RedCoyote (-70%) - I was townreading Red until Lamb's comment in #167 which got me suspicious. Red proceeds to post #180 which really struck me as what Lamb said in #167. While some of Red's info has seemed useful, a lot of it really does look like filler and trying to look busy.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Something_Smart (-76%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do. Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum.
xReckonerX (-82%) - I really didn't like the way he voted No to Total War.... I guess Reck is known for trolling, but still, that post just pinged me as super scummy when he did it and then trolled afterwards.

The second spoiler is not optional. Anyway, hopefully this was worth the wait (?).

[Untrod Tripod]

someone named Ircher is begging for the sweet release of NUCLEAR DEATH

[Ircher]

Sorry, not happening.

[Untrod Tripod]

taking the bunker eh?

[Accountant]

lynch

[Ircher]

Maybe (More likely just gonna use the def. mode of the nuke bunker)

I'll try catching up more tomorrow.

[GreyICE]

I'd ask what Ircher's percentages came from, but I'm doomed to be disappointed in the answer. I will elect to believe he's like a droid in Star Wars and is busy calculating the odds of his success. Which are... probably not high.

On the plus side, Spiffeh is town (NO REASONING)

[Ircher]

*missile silo.

[Papa Zito]

That ircher post is garbage.

People saying Nahdia is scum will need to explain it clearer because I am not seeing it

Not comfortable with Papa Zito calling for a hydra nuke on Nukebringer. It's fine to scumread him but what amounts to a policy nuke is icky af

oh no not

icky

[GuyInFreezer]

So it seems like I won't have much time tonight to do stuff. But I do owe some answers.

Few ppl asked about my scumread on SS.

1. #26 was terrible. Like, scum terrible.
2. And then he tries to get that passed off as... a reaction test. Subtly. I read some of his recent games and he sure ain't the type to use reaction tests. So yeah. I'll chalk that off as him trying to get away from all that by saying that it was just a reaction test.
3. Scum tend to do 2.

[Accountant]

That ircher post is garbage.

People saying Nahdia is scum will need to explain it clearer because I am not seeing it

Not comfortable with Papa Zito calling for a hydra nuke on Nukebringer. It's fine to scumread him but what amounts to a policy nuke is icky af

oh no not

icky

It was a nice way of saying it's scummy and you should stop now and justify yourself

[GuyInFreezer]

There's this #4 too but it's kinda personal thing.
I enjoy reaction testing a lot in the most perverted (No, not sexually perverted) way possible, but I can't seem to find the purpose of reaction testing with stuff like #26.
Like, if he was actually reaction testing with that post, what exactly was he trying to fish and what kind of reaction was he looking for while doing that?

[Spiffeh]

Lol did SS actually try to pass off his first post as a reaction test?

[Papa Zito]

It was a nice way of saying it's scummy and you should stop now and justify yourself

I refuse!

On both counts.

Now what?

[Accountant]

It was a nice way of saying it's scummy and you should stop now and justify yourself

I refuse!

On both counts.

Now what?

nothing

[GuyInFreezer]

you are nowhere yet

of all the responses to 26 I liked GiF's (78) the least and 207 and 213 sound a little forced.

>subtly implying 26 was a reaction test

every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way

[Spiffeh]

That's not as overt as I was expecting but still probably deserves rope