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i dont' buy mastinas shit. this is like if S_S tried to outright sell us on the idea that 26 was a reaction test rather than denying itThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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It's awkward? Sure?In post 678, Spiffeh wrote:
Cheetory look me in the eye and tell me this read is genuineIn post 529, Nukebringer wrote:Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.
Doesn't add up.
I don't need to wait for them to respond because I already explained why it's bullshit
At the same time though, you're asking him a question here, which kind of implies you're unsure of the references he's referring to. So, really, it just seems weird that you're overly and absolutely confident in this read. You're taking issue with him keeping track of something like that, when as scum, he's probably very aware of how and when you engaged him, especially if you were a threat to him in other games.
If the way you apply pressure feels different, why would that not be something for someone to be wary of?
Really doesn't seem weird at all to me.
And I can maybe get you latching onto the cutesy thing and feeling like this is discrediting on his end, but like, there's seriously nothing there on either end from either of you in terms of anything compelling as to why either of you are scum that anyone else is going to be able to take seriously.
People are usually defensive when people call them scum.
Both of your reactions to each other calling each other scum just read super null.
So.
Please.
Enough with the rhetoric.
Maybe a little more substance.
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I don't cite games. If you have games where you would like to prove me wrong, go ahead. They don't exist.In post 532, Spiffeh wrote:
First of all, would you like to cite some games where this is the case? Because this is a weird thing to keep track of and take issue withIn post 529, Nukebringer wrote:Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.
I have an opinion on you now and using "you don't have a read on me until later" is a bullshit way to discredit a method I've used to catch you as scum in the past.
So thank you for confirming my suspicions :)
And coming out from Kids Mafia its odd as hell you post this.
I mean no you don't, but that wasn't my point.In post 533, Spiffeh wrote:Like I have a decent track record when it comes to reading you and the fact that you try to discredit me right out of the gate instead of allowing me to come to terms with the read myself makes me pretty confident you're not town here
You normally don't have reads on me till much later stages of the game, last time you had a read on me early game you were scum faking a read like you are now.Would you like to play a game?
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Why do you want to copy me?In post 749, mastina wrote:I absolutely don't know how to troll as town. I basically am trying to be a shitty Firebringer copy.
But all the same, in spite of the truth behind the statement, the statement was fabricated in advance of the game.
I don't even like me. Half the time.
Well....a tenth of the time.
I don't know, most of the time I like me.Would you like to play a game?
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Yes, yes with the * that cult of personality would dictate some people would still be loud and proudIn post 752, Fate wrote:Mastins probably town akd also wont last very long
What part of everyone has nukes would lead scum to a loud strategy?-
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And just so were super clear:
at the great nukemod in the sky:
if you put in 1 troop and dont get it, silo.
If you put in greater than 1 troop and dont get it, vanilla?
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If that is true errybody can put in 1 as a game of keepaway / russian roulette where the 'winner' gets a not nuke-
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No Spyrex you should know this - anyone who doesn't get a troop gets a Silo.In post 760, SpyreX wrote:if you put in 1 troop and dont get it, silo.
If you put in greater than 1 troop and dont get it, vanilla?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... ted_StatesIn post 736, GreyICE wrote:None really. The game just started. And if you think I care about pregame posturing when nothing is at stake and no one can die, you're... accountant."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Whatever it is, I am slow.In post 738, mastina wrote:
The mastina you want is already here. I mean, I'm PMing reads as of this quote to the mod, because I'm not sharing them in here (I didn't think it felt appropriate), but I already told the mod yesterday (and told the mod to post said thing to spoiled players because I'll be pissed if that wasn't shared) exactly what I am doing.In post 500, Cephrir wrote:i want to see the mastina i know.
I know you're town here (so I'm not worried you're missing it), but I was honestly a bit surprised.
Of all the people here, I thought you'd be the first one to figure it out.
I AM the mastina you know.
Reconcile that with what I've posted thusfar."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Yeah I agree.In post 750, Fate wrote:GiF is straight town at this point
Hopefully there are some seasoned commies to nukeShow"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
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"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
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So trying to keep this as manageable as possible ..
Ser Arthur (or SAD as I will refer to him from here on out this game) will remain as scum-read for me. I’ve seen the idea floated that he’s playing too loud and obnoxious to be scum. With this playerlist I don’t see playing in that manner as a downside. It explains away long term why he isn’t getting Stealth Bombed or Terroristed. The inherent WIFOM doesn’t scare me off because as Town the question still remains – what’s the motive for playing in a way likely to get you killed early (same applies to mastina, BTW)? I also think the dichotomy between him strongly defending some “low hanging fruit” while attacking others feeds into my scum read on the slot.
Someone check in with Hell to see if it has frozen over … Cephir and I had the exact same thought about 482. After Kids Characters Mafia I never expected that would happen this game especially this early.
Spyrex can be Town also …
@LLD– why did you address hiplop’s “I want to nuke MoI” with chastisement of him instead of asking him why?
@Accountant– re 656 remind me if I am wrong but I don’t recall you objecting to all the other policy Nuke statements (and there are tons of them). Why specifically PZ on Nukebringer as opposed to his mastina Policy nuke call? Why not any others that have been made?
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Pretty easy to do. See 369. GIF is thinking exactly what I was thinking there. This is enough early on to have me give them a provisional Town read since their mindset is similar to mine.In post 489, Cheetory6 wrote:I would love words on this.
My question to you is – why not ask about my Naked Zito Townread as well?
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Quick question Spiff – how is that the “scum hiding sweet spot” if you immediately assess someone meeting that profile as scum before votes can even fly?In post 507, Spiffeh wrote:I could also see scum!GIF
He's around enough to make a few fringe comments and have somewhat of a presence but he's not making any "waves" and seems to be escaping everyone's radars
which is a sweet spot I'd expect scum to seek out given the nature of this game
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Sure it can mean that. For certain my scum read on you isn’t “Bet the game on it” level of confidence. Fact remains the way you specifically hedge from making any sort of assessment at all struck me as suspect on initial read.In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:This is a scum action... why? "Discussion tabled" means I am going to discuss him later.
Nope. What is off about them is, as you later clarify, are all vague “gut” reads that have nothing other than “I don’t like it” about them. Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:ok now he's scumreading me because my pregame reads are not up to par with his standards
Nope. I’m pointing out that out for future analysis if you ever flip scum. Kind of absurd for you to claim I’m using that to “prove” you are scum.In post 466, Something_Smart wrote:Way to beg the question. The simpler explanation for those reads is that I was genuinely conflicted, and you're assuming that I'm scum in trying to prove that I'm scum.
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Ok. What do you think of Reck’s decision to just vote No War without discussion then?In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:There's absolutely no need to reserve yourself when you vote for Total War given that it requires unanimity. There's every reason to do so when you intend to be a detractor
You said the players who get the “best” roles should receive extra scrutiny as possible Terrorist. But the Terrorist themselves go through the process of drafting also. And can easily decide to go for a Silo as a means to hide their Terrorist choice. So I’m asking how you think the extra scrutiny should be addressed.In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:I don't understand.
So is your stance then that because you took a careful approach you are obv Town?In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:You said it, not me. For what it's worth, as scum I wouldn't care about Total War, and I certainly wouldn't be willing to fight the tide.
Please confirm where your Null read band starts by playername please.In post 557, RedCoyote wrote:[Town]-----Cheet--Nahdia-GiF---Grey---MoI-Nukebringer-Ceph-Spiff--PZ--Reck-Ircher--hiplop-Fate-Spy[∙]-LLD-Accountant-Dayne--mastina--Errant--McMenno----SS------------[Scum]
Toog hasn't posted yet."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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@MoI: Because I don't care what his reasons are. I'm pretty sure he's town on gut and he was wasting his energy and resources on you. I wanted to refocus on him onto more productive paths.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Currently you're tunneling on Mastin who it going to die regardless, so you're wasting breath and posts constantly talking about something that isn't advancing the game.In post 769, Papa Zito wrote:What should I focus on LLD.
Who else is scummy from your perspective? If you aren't allowed to nuke easy targets, who would you nuke right now from the more vocal players?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Not scumreading Zito.In post 767, MagnaofIllusion wrote:My question to you is – why not ask about my Naked Zito Townread as well?
Also not agreeing with your townread on GiF for that, but that shouldn't be surprising.-
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Actually I was tunneling Accountant.In post 770, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Currently you're tunneling on Mastin who it going to die regardless, so you're wasting breath and posts constantly talking about something that isn't advancing the game.In post 769, Papa Zito wrote:What should I focus on LLD.
Who else is scummy from your perspective? If you aren't allowed to nuke easy targets, who would you nuke right now from the more vocal players?
Does that change anything?
I'm primed to nuke Nahdia as soon as I get the green light.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I think this could lead you astray quite often, especially in this player list.In post 767, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.
It's nice to see you kinda making sense, though, overall."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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