DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Fate]

GiF is caught scum at this point

Hopefully there are some seasoned commies to entertain

[Accountant]

i dont' buy mastinas shit. this is like if S_S tried to outright sell us on the idea that 26 was a reaction test rather than denying it

[Fate]

Mastins probably town akd also wont last very long

What part of everyone has nukes would lead scum to a loud strategy?

[Cheetory6]

Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.
Doesn't add up.

Cheetory look me in the eye and tell me this read is genuine

I don't need to wait for them to respond because I already explained why it's bullshit

It's awkward? Sure?

At the same time though, you're asking him a question here, which kind of implies you're unsure of the references he's referring to. So, really, it just seems weird that you're overly and absolutely confident in this read. You're taking issue with him keeping track of something like that, when as scum, he's probably very aware of how and when you engaged him, especially if you were a threat to him in other games.
If the way you apply pressure feels different, why would that not be something for someone to be wary of?
Really doesn't seem weird at all to me.

And I can maybe get you latching onto the cutesy thing and feeling like this is discrediting on his end, but like, there's seriously nothing there on either end from either of you in terms of anything compelling as to why either of you are scum that anyone else is going to be able to take seriously.
People are usually defensive when people call them scum.
Both of your reactions to each other calling each other scum just read super null.
So.
Please.
Enough with the rhetoric.
Maybe a little more substance.
Give some concrete examples of townplay where he doesn't employ any cutesy shit or something,

[Nukebringer]

I no longer have strong townread on hiplop.

Also how goes everyones day?

[Nukebringer]

arthur is town

[Nukebringer]

Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.

First of all, would you like to cite some games where this is the case? Because this is a weird thing to keep track of and take issue with

I have an opinion on you now and using "you don't have a read on me until later" is a bullshit way to discredit a method I've used to catch you as scum in the past.

So thank you for confirming my suspicions :)

I don't cite games. If you have games where you would like to prove me wrong, go ahead. They don't exist.

And coming out from Kids Mafia its odd as hell you post this.

Like I have a decent track record when it comes to reading you and the fact that you try to discredit me right out of the gate instead of allowing me to come to terms with the read myself makes me pretty confident you're not town here

I mean no you don't, but that wasn't my point.
You normally don't have reads on me till much later stages of the game, last time you had a read on me early game you were scum faking a read like you are now.

[Nukebringer]

I absolutely don't know how to troll as town. I basically am trying to be a shitty Firebringer copy.
But all the same, in spite of the truth behind the statement, the statement was fabricated in advance of the game.

Why do you want to copy me?

I don't even like me. Half the time.
Well....a tenth of the time.

I don't know, most of the time I like me.

[Nukebringer]

Guys, in a post apocalyptic world, would you vote Toothless as your president?
This question is important for determining alignments.

[SpyreX]

Mastins probably town akd also wont last very long

What part of everyone has nukes would lead scum to a loud strategy?

Yes, yes with the * that cult of personality would dictate some people would still be loud and proud

[SpyreX]

And just so were super clear:

at the great nukemod in the sky:

if you put in 1 troop and dont get it, silo.
If you put in greater than 1 troop and dont get it, vanilla?

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If that is true errybody can put in 1 as a game of keepaway / russian roulette where the 'winner' gets a not nuke

[Papa Zito]

I think missile silo IS vanilla. Which is why this game is the best.

[MagnaofIllusion]

if you put in 1 troop and dont get it, silo.
If you put in greater than 1 troop and dont get it, vanilla?

No Spyrex you should know this - anyone who doesn't get a troop gets a Silo.

[Papa Zito]

Whoever gets sub and shoots mastin gets a Free Game Pass. The holder of the Free Game Pass will receive 0 votes and 0 nukes from this slot, guaranteed. This is a limited time offer, get yours today!

[Cephrir]

None really. The game just started. And if you think I care about pregame posturing when nothing is at stake and no one can die, you're... accountant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... ted_States

[Cephrir]

i want to see the mastina i know.

The mastina you want is already here. I mean, I'm PMing reads as of this quote to the mod, because I'm not sharing them in here (I didn't think it felt appropriate), but I already told the mod yesterday (and told the mod to post said thing to spoiled players because I'll be pissed if that wasn't shared) exactly what I am doing.

I know you're town here (so I'm not worried you're missing it), but I was honestly a bit surprised.

Of all the people here, I thought you'd be the first one to figure it out.

I AM the mastina you know.

Reconcile that with what I've posted thusfar.

Whatever it is, I am slow.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF is straight town at this point

Hopefully there are some seasoned commies to nuke

Yeah I agree.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So trying to keep this as manageable as possible ..

Ser Arthur (or SAD as I will refer to him from here on out this game) will remain as scum-read for me. I’ve seen the idea floated that he’s playing too loud and obnoxious to be scum. With this playerlist I don’t see playing in that manner as a downside. It explains away long term why he isn’t getting Stealth Bombed or Terroristed. The inherent WIFOM doesn’t scare me off because as Town the question still remains – what’s the motive for playing in a way likely to get you killed early (same applies to mastina, BTW)? I also think the dichotomy between him strongly defending some “low hanging fruit” while attacking others feeds into my scum read on the slot.

Someone check in with Hell to see if it has frozen over … Cephir and I had the exact same thought about 482. After Kids Characters Mafia I never expected that would happen this game especially this early.

Spyrex can be Town also …

@LLD

– why did you address hiplop’s “I want to nuke MoI” with chastisement of him instead of asking him why?

@Accountant

– re 656 remind me if I am wrong but I don’t recall you objecting to all the other policy Nuke statements (and there are tons of them). Why specifically PZ on Nukebringer as opposed to his mastina Policy nuke call? Why not any others that have been made?

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I would love words on this.

Pretty easy to do. See 369. GIF is thinking exactly what I was thinking there. This is enough early on to have me give them a provisional Town read since their mindset is similar to mine.

My question to you is – why not ask about my Naked Zito Townread as well?

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I could also see scum!GIF

He's around enough to make a few fringe comments and have somewhat of a presence but he's not making any "waves" and seems to be escaping everyone's radars

which is a sweet spot I'd expect scum to seek out given the nature of this game

Quick question Spiff – how is that the “scum hiding sweet spot” if you immediately assess someone meeting that profile as scum before votes can even fly?

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This is a scum action... why? "Discussion tabled" means I am going to discuss him later.

Sure it can mean that. For certain my scum read on you isn’t “Bet the game on it” level of confidence. Fact remains the way you specifically hedge from making any sort of assessment at all struck me as suspect on initial read.

ok now he's scumreading me because my pregame reads are not up to par with his standards

Nope. What is off about them is, as you later clarify, are all vague “gut” reads that have nothing other than “I don’t like it” about them. Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.

Way to beg the question. The simpler explanation for those reads is that I was genuinely conflicted, and you're assuming that I'm scum in trying to prove that I'm scum.

Nope. I’m pointing out that out for future analysis if you ever flip scum. Kind of absurd for you to claim I’m using that to “prove” you are scum.

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There's absolutely no need to reserve yourself when you vote for Total War given that it requires unanimity. There's every reason to do so when you intend to be a detractor

Ok. What do you think of Reck’s decision to just vote No War without discussion then?

I don't understand.

You said the players who get the “best” roles should receive extra scrutiny as possible Terrorist. But the Terrorist themselves go through the process of drafting also. And can easily decide to go for a Silo as a means to hide their Terrorist choice. So I’m asking how you think the extra scrutiny should be addressed.

You said it, not me. For what it's worth, as scum I wouldn't care about Total War, and I certainly wouldn't be willing to fight the tide.

So is your stance then that because you took a careful approach you are obv Town?

[Town]-----Cheet--Nahdia-GiF---Grey---MoI-Nukebringer-Ceph-Spiff--PZ--Reck-Ircher--hiplop-Fate-Spy[∙]-LLD-Accountant-Dayne--mastina--Errant--McMenno----SS------------[Scum]

Toog hasn't posted yet.

Please confirm where your Null read band starts by playername please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@MoI: Because I don't care what his reasons are. I'm pretty sure he's town on gut and he was wasting his energy and resources on you. I wanted to refocus on him onto more productive paths.

[Papa Zito]

What should I focus on LLD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What should I focus on LLD.

Currently you're tunneling on Mastin who it going to die regardless, so you're wasting breath and posts constantly talking about something that isn't advancing the game.

Who else is scummy from your perspective? If you aren't allowed to nuke easy targets, who would you nuke right now from the more vocal players?

[Cheetory6]

My question to you is – why not ask about my Naked Zito Townread as well?

Not scumreading Zito.
Also not agreeing with your townread on GiF for that, but that shouldn't be surprising.

[Papa Zito]

What should I focus on LLD.

Currently you're tunneling on Mastin who it going to die regardless, so you're wasting breath and posts constantly talking about something that isn't advancing the game.

Who else is scummy from your perspective? If you aren't allowed to nuke easy targets, who would you nuke right now from the more vocal players?

Actually I was tunneling Accountant.

Does that change anything?

I'm primed to nuke Nahdia as soon as I get the green light.

[Cephrir]

Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.

I think this could lead you astray quite often, especially in this player list.

It's nice to see you kinda making sense, though, overall.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

MoI your whole interaction with Something Special is really

really

really

fucking forced.