DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

when i finally post the elmo gif this game it'll be beautiful

I'm waiting for it~

[xRECKONERx]

it's only d1. patience

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So in not one of the listed games was I scum. And in one of them he was scum who needed lynch.

1. I was town in Saw Mafia. My flip was mafia godfather, but I was town aligned. I don't really remember much of the game, but I think the scum were like the SK faction or something.

2. I never claimed you were scum this game??? You have this ability to get a boner whenever I point out anything related to you (in this game it was the fact I pointed out you were attacking low hanging fruit), assume that you are my strongest scumread, and then devolve the game into you mindlessly attacking everything I say (or that I

sig

). Which is why you're useless to talk to at this point.

[SpyreX]

See this is why recks nuke has an elmo

Look we can define ourselves through destruction.

Or are you gonna end up nuking lld and posting it is that one isnt it

[xRECKONERx]

im not getting a nuke pay attn

[xRECKONERx]

unless of course I am and am just throwing people off my trail so i can surprise nuke people

ooOoOooooOOOooOoh!!!

[Untrod Tripod]

Zito if i let you control my nuke what would you do with it

I would write "To mastina, love Actual Players" and then draw little pink hearts on it and drop it right on her forehead.

I can't argue this and now i want an artist to draw up every nuke

My nukes are all dick shaped

Here is the list I submitted

1. Nukes
2. Nukes
3. Nukes
4. Nukes
5. Nukes

Do you think I'll get them guys do you

[Untrod Tripod]

unless of course I am and am just throwing people off my trail so i can surprise nuke people

ooOoOooooOOOooOoh!!!

Reck try less hard plz

[xRECKONERx]

this is me not trying babycakes

you dont want me to turn on the tryhard because you'll be dead before you can finish singing can you feel the sunshine

[Untrod Tripod]

Can you see

[MagnaofIllusion]

2. I never claimed you were scum this game??? You have this ability to get a boner whenever I point out anything related to you (in this game it was the fact I pointed out you were attacking low hanging fruit), assume that you are my strongest scumread, and then devolve the game into you mindlessly attacking everything I say (or that I sig). Which is why you're useless to talk to at this point.

Oh, so when you repeatedly pointed out how "wrong" it was that I had a scum read on "Low hanging fruit" that wasn't pointing out scum behavior that was just fluff? I'm having a hard time reconciling your posting with actual scum hunting.

[Vaxkiller]

All right who didn't vote for total war????

[MagnaofIllusion]

So SAD - why don't you clearly give us a scum read list and any Town reads you might have?

[MagnaofIllusion]

All right who didn't vote for total war????

Reck. What are you going to do about it?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

2. I never claimed you were scum this game??? You have this ability to get a boner whenever I point out anything related to you (in this game it was the fact I pointed out you were attacking low hanging fruit), assume that you are my strongest scumread, and then devolve the game into you mindlessly attacking everything I say (or that I sig). Which is why you're useless to talk to at this point.

Oh, so when you repeatedly pointed out how "wrong" it was that I had a scum read on "Low hanging fruit" that wasn't pointing out scum behavior that was just fluff? I'm having a hard time reconciling your posting with actual scum hunting.

Third lie you have told.

1. I have said you were going after low hanging fruit once. Not "repeatedly". Go through my ISO, point out exactly where I say directly you were going after low hanging fruit.
2. You claimed I was scum in Saw Mafia, I was town-aligned.
3. You claimed I was attacking low hanging fruit - not only was I not attacking Ircher, but in fact you said the plural "others" indicating I was doing it to more than one:

I also think the dichotomy between him strongly defending some “low hanging fruit” while attacking

others

feeds into my scum read on the slot.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So SAD - why don't you clearly give us a scum read list and any Town reads you might have?

Cheetory, Something Special, Reck
Accountant, Mastina, Zito, Greyice, Nahdia
Mcmenno, EP, Vax, UT, Fate, Cephrir, hiplop, Nukebringer, RC, lrcher
Spyrex, MoI, LLD, GIF, Spiffeh

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also you have started reaching OMGUS territory (especially indicated by your pointing out my sig and relating it to VIs) so I'm going to start ignoring almost everything you say till a much later point in the game when you feel like starting to be relevant to the game.

2. I never claimed you were scum this game??? You have this ability to get a boner whenever I point out anything related to you (in this game it was the fact I pointed out you were attacking low hanging fruit), assume that you are my strongest scumread, and then devolve the game into you mindlessly attacking everything I say (or that I

sig

). Which is why you're useless to talk to at this point.

Anyone else spot the inherent contradiction in these posts? Free internet cookies if you do ...

[Vaxkiller]

All right who didn't vote for total war????

Reck. What are you going to do about it?

Make a post about it.

Then start reading what I missed.

Did I actually miss anything tho?

[Papa Zito]

Yes. Everything has been revealed if you look hard enough.

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Summary & Thoughts Pg 11-15

1. Pg 11 #250 --> Accountant is choosing submarine.
2. Pg 11 #258 --> Lamb explains how she "broke" codes in Defcon 3 and that's why she wants Eavesdrop
3. Pg 11 #260 --> Mastina references Left for Dead mafia and says she's never (?) trolls as town. <-- I'm not familiar with that game. Elaborate possibly?
4. Pg 11 #268 --> Accountant states mastina is obvscum <-- I disagree w/ the assettion; things are never as simple as they seem. Mastina is just asking to be lynched prob. regardless of alignment.
5. Pg 11 #272 --> Nuke asserts Accountant is town <-- What made you decide this? I was thinking the exact opposite just now.
6. Pg 12 #283 --> Nahdia townreads mastina cuz its a pretty "ballsy" move to make as scum <-- In essence, the argument of wine in front of me. Seriously, the trolling is null imo.
7. Pg 12 #285 --> Nuke says Nahdia is scum <-- Are you just gonna randomly call people scum all day? Why is Nahdia scum?
8. Pg 12 #286 --> Nuke believes mastina is prob. town
9. Pg 13 #307 --> Arthur plans to "dayvig" Smart for his earlier post #26
10. Pg 13 #310 --> Spyrex: "307 is a pretty good redemption" <-- I have no idea what you are talking about right here. Would you please clarify what you were referring to?
11. Pg 13 #315 --> Arthur quotes #245 by Nahdia & underlines the Counterintelligence as #1 pick and exclaims wtf <-- What's so bad about Counterintelligence? Why would scum want it more and openly claim like so? I'm assuming you scumread the post (?).
12. Pg 13 #320 --> Accountant claims Dayne is probs scum <-- I'm starting to get annoyed by these shallow reads. Personal issue of mine I guess, but can't we add a little more meat than simply "X is scum. Y is town. Z is probably scum.", etc.?
13. Pg 13 #321 --> Reck complains about being unable to win no matter what <-- Tbf, you just came in & voted No War & everything just to be a jerk. Besides, that post looks like frustrated scum; that does not look town-ish in the slightest, even given the benefit of the doubt.
14. Pg 14 #325 --> Reck says **** and asks people to remind him of the page to see if he can remember why he said **** <-- Why did you say **** at the top of the page?
15. Pg 14 #326 --> SpyreX claims Reck is town
16. Pg 14 #327 --> Reck remembers about 325 and says Spyrex is scum <-- ??? Where did that read come from?
17. Pg 14 #329 --> Reck provides a readlist and states opinion on Lamb <-- This post is better than your past few posts, but I would like your scumread explanations
18. Pg 14 #331 --> Asks if Reck's reads will be explained <-- Why are you so suddenly interested in reads explanations? Baffles me; truly, it does.
19. Pg 14 #335 --> Reck explains his reads <-- Fair enough, I guess. At least you're finally doing stuff.
20. Pg 14 #349 --> Accountant explains suicide to save nukes idea
21. Pg 15 #361 --> Accountant mentions Cephir's shallow reaction to posts <-- Hrm... Good point, will keep a closer eye on that

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Cheetory (75%) - I really liked his early posts especially #23; just strong town vibes from this guy.
GuyInFreezer (70%) - I have seen nothing wrong with his posts and the thought process he exhibits seems town-motivated. Still like his posts.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Hiplop (0%) - Also nothing notable in either direction from this slot.
McMenno (0%) - Nothing to convince me one way or another, not even a little.
Papa Zito (-1%) - Not much from here either; kinda didn't like #39 even though its a troll post....
Untrod Tripod (-10%) - Has this slot even done anything constructive yet? Seems to be "Nuking X" then "I'm gonna Nuke Y" with the sole intention of making the thread longer.
Nukebringer (-12%) - Nothing to townread here and a lot of finger-pointing and trolling. Starting not to like this.
Mastina (-25%) - Being utterly useless (KTS useless or worse) and needs rope immediately. Probably not mafia, but I could see this as a Terrorist. Day 1 PL please.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Magna (+50%) - Post #225 was a very strong post and seems to be a typical town!Magna post. (Not sure if I got scum meta with Magna though...)
Nahdia (+43%) - Very clear and articulate; post #210 gave me strong town vibes.
Accountant (+41%) - Have liked this slot's observations so far, esp. #361.
SpyreX (+40%) - I haven't really liked his posts, but I think that's more a personal bias. Probably biased because SpyreX is trolling a good bit.
Arthur (+38%) - Decent entrance.
Lamb (-31%) - Could go either way here. Not sure that the thought process from this slot is town; this suicide idea sounds rather stupid as done the decryption idea.
Cephir (-32%) - Accountant's #361 gives me a reason to scumread the slot and Cephir hasn't been super constructive. Nonetheless, I need to investigate further here it seems.
Spiffeh (-40%) - Main complaint here is Spiffeh's just pointing random fingers at people and saying their scum without backing up their claim. I guess thats really a null tell, but I'm reserving further judgement until I see otherwise.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
RedCoyote (-70%) - I was townreading Red until Lamb's comment in #167 which got me suspicious. Red proceeds to post #180 which really struck me as what Lamb said in #167. While some of Red's info has seemed useful, a lot of it really does look like filler and trying to look busy.
xRECKONERx (-75%) - I really didn't like the way he voted No to Total War.... Some of his posts like #321 really look like scum posts, but the slot's posts are starting to look better.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Something_Smart (-76%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do. Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum.

[Fate]

You forget how much simpler nukes makes my pattern of tunneling you


Also sheeping 4 year old meta is pretty sketch, Accountant.

And no I havent done anything town outside flashing secret gang signs to SpyreX

[RedCoyote]

Don't put yourself as confirmed town, Ircher. That's so silly and unnecessary. I guess it's a pet peeve. No one expects you to analyze yourself.

[RedCoyote]

and also RC/GiF are you suggesting that low hanging fruit = scum? because it sounds like you're saying I'm scum for the same reasons you're saying I'm low hanging fruit while calling being low hanging fruit not indicative of alignment. (That made more sense in my head.)

Not necessarily. I think it's common place on this site to believe that someone is "too scummy to be scum". I do not believe in that. I think your first post was objectively bad. I'm willing to deconstruct it for you; I'm certainly not willing to say that you should be called town because it's bad.

[RedCoyote]

I still have RC on the back-burner of my radar. I expected Town him to come after me based on my initial call for his head. The fact that I might be even a weak Town read for him is a little suspect given that he thinks I "dodged" the issue of why I am Pro-Total War now and wasn't 5 years ago which implies I'm scummy with something to hide.

You know when you attack me that means we're both town. You ain't figured that out yet? I still get to razz you though.

[Cephrir]

Nuke that too^