DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[mastina]

why
is
rc
scum

He might not be!
He's just on the shortlist. The slot just below Nahdia. (Nahdia is seventh, RC is sixth, Vaxkiller is fifth.)

[Papa Zito]

SpyreX you sound like my mom.

[Papa Zito]

That would land on a new page.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

See Zito? You're aready developing your own reads on me, you don't need my help!

[mastina]

Vaxkiller have made two posts, both of them NAI.

And therein lies your problem.

There were some definitive alignment clues in Vaxkiller's posts.

These clues were not, mind you, particularly solid! He's on the shortlist. Not on the scumlist. What was there was indicative of scum, but not strongly enough to BE scum, not off of just two posts anyway.

[mastina]

i don't know if i agree with any of these mastina, maybe rc?

The beautiful thing about mafia games, especially NUKE THEM ALL ones, is you're allowed to be wrong!

[SpyreX]

SpyreX you sound like my mom.

Well you just wanted them so you wouldn't be able to clean your room mr man

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SpyreX you sound like my mom.

Well you just wanted them so you wouldn't be able to clean your room mr man

Spyspy-chan, on a scale of one to ten how do you feel about RedCoyote 1 being "needs death yesterday"

[mastina]

Oh and by the way, SpyreX is pretty low on the list as well. He's at just above Nahdia.

[Papa Zito]

SpyreX you sound like my mom.

Well you just wanted them so you wouldn't be able to clean your room mr man

If everything is on the floor it's easy to find.

[Fate]

Vackiller is for ropes not for nukes

[Fate]

The world can beat me down Spy but the flame never goes out

One just learns more... Discretion before flame on Fantastics

[Fate]

Vax is also town.
This is also 100% gutread from his ISO in general.

Hrmmmm

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yes that GIF read on Vaxkiller was really bad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay.

We can lynch Vaxkiller Day1.

Thanks.

Vaxkiller flips Commie scum and I hearby label their whole exchange the most painfully awkward bus / distancing ever ...

Do you think you have to wholeheartedly and completely disagree with everything your scumread says?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also second time you're lining up lyches.

Extremely scummy thing to do.

[McMenno]

LIST OF THINGS TO DO
READ THREAD
PLAY MAFIA WITH PAPA ZITO
WORSHIP PAPA ZITO?
NUKE SOME COMMIES

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also second time you're lining up lyches.

Extremely scummy thing to do.

Ok nice another box on you Meaningless Buzzword Bingo sheet. What do you to match five in a row? Over-defensive?

I guess if you have to dodge the fact that you questions to Vax were vapid and pointless calling me pointing out the only way you'd make that read from your fluff is if you are partners as "lining up lynches" isn't the worst tactic.

[Ircher]

xRECKONERx (-75%) - I really didn't like the way he voted No to Total War.... Some of his posts like #321 really look like scum posts, but the slot's posts are starting to look better.

why do you not like me voting no

why do my posts look like scum posts

I got lazy with my explanations, and some of it can be best describe as "gut". Regarding your vote --> The way you did it seemed super care-free amongst other things; really pinged me.

Vote: Against Total War

Spoiler: Extremely obnoxious, possibly seizure-inducing Animated GIF

Seriously Reck? SERIOUSLY?

what does this mean

Did you even READ the spoiler text I ADDED IN?

"Extremely obnoxious, possibly seizure-inducing animated GIF"

ircher how is it i have been listed as "reevaluate this slot" for several consecutive posts now

ircher can die to nukes imo

Reevaluate later means I do it when I finish catching up or your posts and do ISOs, you give me reason to change my opinion, or someone else's posts give me a reason to change my opinion.

[RedCoyote]

LIST OF THINGS TO DO
READ THREAD
PLAY MAFIA WITH PAPA ZITO
WORSHIP PAPA ZITO?
NUKE SOME COMMIES

Nuke that^

This post dedicated to my boy Ceph.

[Accountant]

Cause then i can feel your vibe yo

also: phrasing

Okay.

We can lynch Vaxkiller Day1.

Thanks.

Explain your reasons clearly

[Accountant]

why
is
rc
scum

He might not be!
He's just on the shortlist. The slot just below Nahdia. (Nahdia is seventh, RC is sixth, Vaxkiller is fifth.)

Explain your reasons

[Accountant]

Vaxkiller have made two posts, both of them NAI.

And therein lies your problem.

There were some definitive alignment clues in Vaxkiller's posts.

These clues were not, mind you, particularly solid! He's on the shortlist. Not on the scumlist. What was there was indicative of scum, but not strongly enough to BE scum, not off of just two posts anyway.

Explain the "clues"

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Summary & Thoughts Pg 26-30

1. Pg 26 #625 --> Arthur explains why Smart's post sound genuine: he elected to provide reads instead of answer the setup question <-- That's a fair evaluation. Scum would imo be less likely to skip the setup question because it is probably easier.
2. Pg 26 #628 --> Grey states that Arthur explaining a game mechanic from a completely scum perspective is a huge scumtell <-- I don't think I quite understand; what do you mean by "fully scum" perspective (how is it different from just a "scum" perspective); furthermore, how is it a huge scumtell?
3. Pg 26 #649 --> Arthur quotes #644 and asks if I'm gonna perform voodoo and states he asks cuz he thinks I'm gonna be useless the entire game <-- Out of curiosity, while that may have been your immediate response, why did you NOT give the benefit of the doubt; why did you just jump to xonclusions rather than give me a chance to do something? If you were expecting the thread to be read in 5 or less minutes, then that's unreasonable. Otherwise, you could've given me some time to do SOMETHING before you jumped to such a conclusion.
4. Pg 27 #652 --> Arthur states that moving to Defcon 4 is unfair <-- While I appreciate your concern for the replacement, you are making a few assumptions. First of all, you are assuming that the player needs to read the entire thread to make a decision; I disagree, the first few posts by the mod and your role pm is probably more than sufficient in terms of deciding your role. Second of all, you are assuming that not moving gives the replacement more time. It realky doesn't; maybe 24 hours maximum, but your assertion that the replacee cannot catchup in 72 hours is flawed by the fact that such deadlines (actually 48h) are quite common here. Also, explain how moving on is anti-town -- I don't see that.
5. Pg 27 #656 --> Accountant states Hiplop is scum and we shouldn't policy-nuke Nukebringer <-- While I concur on both, I would prefer for Nukebringer to start doing stuff cuz they're not playing in a town manner atm. Aka, they need to be gone sooner or later unless they start trying and doing stuff.
6. Pg 27 #663 --> Accountabt states I'm the terrorist <-- While I can see that, do you not doubt yourself for a moment? Also, why are we interested in identifying the Terrorist at this stage of the game?
7. Pg 27 #666 --> Accountant states I'm paranoid about nukes & staying out of the lime light <-- Eh, just no. Why is nuke paranoia a Terrorist tell? Why can't scum be paranoid? Why can't town be paranoid, esp. if they get wagoned/lynched a lot? Also, I very much doubt I'm staying out of the limelight; on the contrary, I'm probably bringing undue notice onto myself.
8. Pg 28 #676 --> Spiffeh says Hiplop is inconsistent and tends to dig himself into a hole <-- Interesting, I'll keep this in mind
9. Pg 28 #682 --> Accountant shares case on Hiplop <-- I concur w/ this case; really have been liking practically all of Accountan's posts
10. Pg 28 #684 --> Untrod plans on nuking me <-- Can I ask why?
11. Pg 28 #698 --> Untrod quotes Smart's posts in relation to his "reaction test" <-- While I come to the same conclusion, I like how you conveniently decided to leave out the part where Smart stated it wasn't intended as a reaction test. No matter your case, try to provide both sides of the argument; it gives the best view of the game.
12. Pg 29 #700 --> Arthur brings up the part where Smart said it wasn't intended as a reaction test <-- Here we go, the conveniently left out part of the entire convo about Smart's #26. I wouldn't call it a backtrack, but I still question why Smart posted #26 at all; I believe Smart when he says it wasn't intended as a reaction test.
13. Pg 29 #707 --> Arthur asks what the scum intent in #26 <-- My answer is his use of the meta statement to help justify himself sheeping the entire game and not forming his own reads. THATS the scum intent, not the fact that he guaged reactions with it. This may be contradictory to my earlier stance; I forgot what it was, but I feel this is a more objective stance to take if that is the case. Also: AtE.
14. Pg 29 #717 --> Zito questions Accountant when Acct says Zito is acting silly versus an earlier comment that Zito was acting scummy <-- How are the two mutually exclusive? Why can someone not be both silly and scummy? Also, scummy != scum just as townie != town; that is the essence of WIFOM and why "scumtells" hardly ever work. I do love (not) how you decided to nitpick word choice though.
15. Pg 30 #726 --> Arthur says scum would recover from an "I'm town" mistak in a more obvious way <-- I agree with the logic here, but I think you ignored the larger context of #26 and how it was worded. See my earlier comment.
16. Pg 30 #732 --> McMenno says he had a scumread of me once, let go of it, and vows never doing that again <-- There are so many things wrong with this. The first and primary one being is how many times (outside of marathons), have I been scum against you, McMenno? I think zero (maybe once if you counted that super-bastard not really mafia game where I was SK...). Next, how is your statement relevant at the current moment. And third, what kind of STUPIDITY IN TERMS OF PLAY is that; alignments are random and reads SHOULD BE DYNAMIC; you shouldn't be deciding to stick to a Day 1 scumread on Day 4 just because you were wrong maybe once in the past when you changed your mind on a read.
17. Pg 30 #733 --> GreyIce asks McMenno to elaborate on #732 <-- Respectable post; very good question to ask
18. Pg 30 #744 --> McMenno responds to GreyIce by stating he scumread me then he didn't, .... <-- What nonsense is this? Sarcastic or not sarcastic, I want the questions answered WITH AN ACTUAL ANSWER since you decided to bring it up in the first place.
19. Noting that mastina starts playing the game on page 30.

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
Accountant (93%) - Have liked this slot's observations so far, esp. #361. Continued to like the observations & questions throughout pages 16 and 17. Very few posts I have complaints with, and most are more on a perspective/viewpoint complaint rather than posts I think come from scum. I really like the questioning as it not only feels natural but also shows a genuine interest in finding scum.
Cheetory (87%) - I really liked his early posts especially #23; just strong town vibes from this guy. I continue to see multiple strong posts from this slot like #424.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
MagnaofIllusion (68%) - Post #225 was a very strong post and seems to be a typical town!Magna post, and Magna continues to make well-reasoned and valid posts like #452. (Not sure if I got scum meta with Magna though...)
GuyInFreezer (66%) - His posts are fine, but need more substance.
SpyreX (64%) - Meh, I'm satisfied with this slot for now. The trolling was just the beginning of the game; it stopped a long time ago.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Untrod Tripod (-15%) - Noting that he conveniently left out Smart's statement that #26 wasn't intended as a reaction test in his argument in #698
Nukebringer (-18%) - Nothing to townread here and a lot of finger-pointing and trolling. Starting not to like this. This slot needs to start doing things.
Papa Zito (-20%) - Post #717 felt like questioning just to question; it seemed unnecessary and noisy.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Ser Arthur Dayne (+58%) - Decent entrance, but I wasn't a huge fan of his comments on page 17, esp. asking Accountant to be in a townbloc with him. His defense of Smart seems over done & the result of multiple logical fallancies. This slot's thought process is town as evidenced by his reasonable defense of Smart; scum!Smart + scum!Arthur team would imo more likely end in a bus of Smart.
Nahdia (+55%) - Very clear and articulate; post #210 gave me strong town vibes. I also liked post #443.
Mastina (+52%) - This slot's town. Reading page 30 just tells me this slot is town (gut).
Cephrir (+42%) - On further investigation, especially with the meta description, I'm back to leaning towards town on this slot.
GreyICE (+35%) - One good post from this slot (#619), but otherwise, nothing to read this slot off of. When he posts, his posts are decent and show an attempt to solve the game.
Lady Lambdelta (+33%) - Could go either way here. My read keeps flip-flopping; half the stuff seems town; the other half scum
Spiffeh (-32%) - I haven't followed this slot's reads in terms of why -- Seems too random
Hiplop (-52%) - Is just throwing out stuff that make zero sense; reads APPEAR to be contradictory and inconsistent from one post to the next. Adjusted read based off meta comment.
McMenno (-55%) - Was a bit keen on finding the terrorist which I feel is less important than finding group!scum. Didn't like his comment in #732 because it seems extremely irrelevant, noisy, and FALSE/unnecessary (pretty sure I've not played against McMenno as scum thereby decreasing his statement's value). The non-answer in #744 is suspicious; these aren't the kind of statements makes if they want to troll. You should be prepared to back up/elaborate statements like that if they are to be seen as anything besides blind accusations/fluff.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
RedCoyote (-68%) - I was townreading Red until Lamb's comment in #167 which got me suspicious. Red proceeds to post #180 which really struck me as what Lamb said in #167. While some of Red's info has seemed useful, a lot of it really does look like filler and trying to look busy.
xRECKONERx (-70%) - I really didn't like the way he voted No to Total War.... Some of his posts like #321 really look like scum posts, but the slot's posts are starting to look better. Possibly reevaluate this slot (?) (if the slot would post.....)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Something_Smart (-82%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do. Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum. His posts in pages 16-20 continue to be bad and indicative of scum. Needs rope. Considering the possibility that this is a weaker player, but Smart seems to be above the "Newbie-feel" and more on par with prob. my own skill in mafia. Not as confident in this read as I was, esp. after Arthur's defence of the slot.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay.

We can lynch Vaxkiller Day1.

Thanks.

Explain your reasons clearly

Umm

Hello?:

Hmm why is your first question then asking whose fault it was we didn't go to war if you already know via ISOing the mid?

1. I was skimming and I saw most of the posts said "not voting: everyonelse". So I saw posts like 505 but missed 559

Posts like "505" show who is not voting for war.

My theory is Vaxkiller found out we didn't go to war from the scum PT.