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hmm you might be rightThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Accountant Jack of All Trades
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isn't this sarcasm a little hypocriticalIn post 1676, McMenno wrote:another productive day on mafia scum dot netThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.-
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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I think it should be pretty clear that this isn't what I was trying to do?In post 1669, GreyICE wrote:You're voting Vax. You're trying to explain to him why he's scum. He's not getting it. What do you expect, for him to turn around and go "well obviously I'm scum, you've convinced me?" No seriously, what's the point of explaining to Vax why he's scum, as opposed to either questioning him or talking to other townies? This is a very specific type of not productive.
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Like this is the tail end of the interaction.In post 1505, Cheetory6 wrote:So you still don't understand what the issue is.
When I've literally laid it out and it's literally in the post that you're running around quoting from him?
You're already voting him. You're explaining to him why. Not to us. Scum communications aren't private anymore as I recall. I dunno, things like this just make me nervous ya dig?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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I'm quite convinced Vaxkiller was told to pull out the newbcard by scummates at this point. Sorry but I looked through his ISO and I don't think he can jump from perfectly capable->this bad.
In fact even these posts demonstrate a huge sudden change in personlity:
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So to go from this to "Idk why people are voting me at all", "SAD is scum because he's attacking a poor newbie like me ", and "You lied too because you joked about dayvigging someone before roles were distributed!" doesn't fit in at all.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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Exactly. Which is why I think scum knew there would be at least some type of vax wagon formed and told him to just pull out the newbie card at this point, before pregame ended. Because they don't know who would be getting eavesdropper and what info they might lose.In post 1679, GreyICE wrote:Scum communications aren't private anymore as I recall.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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I was trying to get him to walk through why he was avoiding talking about it, because I was unsure whether he was ignoring it on purpose or if he just generally didn't understand what was going on. Former is scum, latter could be either.
The cynical side of me feels like he just doesn't know what's going on at all and it's probably one of those times where that's the easy answer.
Have more thoughts on him that I think I need to let sit.
P-Edit: Frankly, you need to pull out and show those meta references you're making to the rest of the class because I'm not seeing the break in the skill gradient in that example.
Vax's joindate may be 2015, but GiF is kind of right that his playstyle [even in those early posts that you're referencing] give off some vibes of someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
Like, read the contents of that first post.
Read them.
Read them and think about them.
Is it possible that Vax is trying to be a mastermind and pretend he's an idiot?
Sure I guess?
I don't think I've ever seen scum employ that strategy though?-
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Counterintelligence screws with the reports and can secure the scum PT from being leaked once so I think the role is kinda huge for scum?In post 1667, GreyICE wrote:Nadia gets Counterintelligence, which strikes me as extremely town. Why would Mafia even bid on that? Unless they really think she's such a weak player that she needs the stupid role for town points, there's no reason to do that. I don't think Nadia is that weak, I don't think scum would do that anyway. Comfortable.
I do think that she's town though, but not because of that. She does get extra townpoint for straight up outing that she grabbed that one.
I agree with SAD being town.In post 1667, GreyICE wrote:SAD's one of the few people I had a town read on during the posturing portion of the game.
I can feel the frustration from him trying to convince ppl of his reason on vax scumread, which tends to come from town.
Thank you for the compliment.In post 1669, GreyICE wrote:GIF is some pretty damn cheeky scum in a game where most of everyone has nukes. Would be SHOCKED if the scum QT didn't have something like "please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow". So either he told his scum team to suck his dick, or he's just asshole town.Show"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
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Vaxkiller Jack of All Trades
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My join date is about a year off of when I actually started. (I singed up decided I did not have time at the moment and then picked it up later.
The "lie" that SAD caught me in was that my first post asked who voted against total war, although I skimmed through the mods iso's and saw that some players didn't vote for total war. As tripod said, where the fuck is the scum motivation in that? What was my grand plan?
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Is it more likely that SAD is blowing this WAYYY out of proportion, trying to get people riled up (or sheep votes) so when I flip town he can just say "Oh, well Vaxkiller was playing awful, how was little old me to know? We all voted him, were all guilty, don't look at me!"
I still don't know why. I thought people would see through your silliness, but they are not, so I need to show them why you are a silly goose, and show your lies as well.In post 1680, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:So to go from this to "Idk why people are voting me at all", "SAD is scum because he's attacking a poor newbie like me ", and "You lied too because you joked about dayvigging someone before roles were distributed!" doesn't fit in at all.
To be fair, I'm only providing your lies as a counter point to mine, I really do not believe you are scum from them. You are scum because of your over-the-top push on me for something so silly.
3 factions town - mafia - and 1 terrorist. Everyone starts the game vanilla but can try for troops or if they do not want troops or can't get them, they can have a nuke silo. Defcon 3-1 scum-terrorists become more powerful. Defcon 1 everyone that has nukes can use nukes. Also at the beginning of 3 every ones troops or nuke were deployed.In post 1639, Papa Zito wrote:
Explain the game to me.In post 1637, Vaxkiller wrote:
What do you need, im trying to head to bed...In post 1607, Papa Zito wrote:Hang on Reck that's definitely a thing I've been thinking about but I need a Vax post.-
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Vaxkiller Jack of All Trades
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Is this the order in which you asked?In post 1465, mastina wrote:No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.-
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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VOTE: Vaxkiller
While I think it’s hilarious that no-one thinks that SAD isn’t bussing Vax for “Cool guy creds” I don’t object to Vax’s lynch. Vax has done nothing this game that warrants remaining alive and some of his posts are so ridiculously bad (1540 is the top spot) that him eating rope is a great plan. Plus it puts us ever nearer to Defcon 1 which is where things really get interesting.
I mean let’s be frank – if SAD is the master scum-hunter he’s trying to peddle in thread who carefully dissected Vax’s initial entry and laid down a tricksy trap to catch him as scum then there is no universe where he’s reading the thread as closely as he is and makes the following post as Town –
Um what? McMenno has substance in his posts? Look at that ISO and tell me McMenno has one tiny spec of substance. It is Lol-worthy that this even came out of anyone’s keyboard period but the Night and Day between surgeon-like dissection of Vax and “Herp-A-Derp McMenno’s got substance” has to trigger alarm bells people.In post 1616, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I mean I def see the general uselessness in UT's posts.
Mcmenno and UT are the ones who have been skating the most under the surface. The former has some substance in his posts, the latter has none.
And let’s not mention 1543. I mean that is the epitome of scum looking for things in ISO review they can sell as scummy as opposed to actually reading the game flow. GiF’s first vote is clearly a sarcastic response to Cheetory saying “you aren’t even voting someone”. And the second vote is clearly a vote for SS. There is not inherent scum motivation there. Yet SAD response of "WTF is this" is bad bad bad scum looking for nits to pick as opposed to actually looking for scum.
And LLD why did you have to be scum also? Because 1568 is the exact same cherry-picking bullshit that SAD (you know, your top scum read) just did.
Also – Nahdia’s actually getting and claiming CounterIntelligence is a huge Pro-Town move even if she is the either scum affliation. The second a false investigation result occurs she’s locked into a 1v1 with whoever claimed the Guilty and Nukes make that an accelerated process which does not benefit scum no matter who’s fucking around. My worries about her slot are abatted.
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So mastin – sell me on you not being scum. Because this post either comes from scum or is an approach so stupid I’d think massive amounts of alcohol were involved in making that decision. I don’t recall you ever mentioning booze and I don’t think you are stupid. So that leaves me with scum.In post 1465, mastina wrote:I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.
I said WAYYY BACK at 225 that if you didn’t get your top choice you were very likely getting a Nuke. So for you to specifically have listed all the choices from “Best to Worst” means if you don’t luck out on your first choice you have every likelihood of not getting any of the others. Because if the RNG is not kind to you then your second choice being highly sought after means odds are staggeringly suggest that it would already be gone when Andy looked at everyone’s second choices. And turtles on down as the odds get worse in each round.
So if you really, really wanted a troop you managed to go about it in the worst possible way.
On top of this please claim specifically what your first and second choices were."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Vaxkiller Jack of All Trades
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Your so blinded by the thought of scum!Vaxkiller you don't even bother to think of a town!Vaxkiller's motivation.In post 1691, Cephrir wrote:is there any point to that question at all
i would say "rolefishing before you die" but it's not even useful rolefishing
she also already answered that question
If they said they asked for something pretty early in their list, but I received that same something, but I asked for it much later in my list, would you say there is a chance that person is lying? (Not definite, and the accuracy of such a claim would depend greatly on how far apart the said item was on each list)
I skimmed through their iso, but I didn't see that they said this was the order. Do you know the answer?
In b4 SAD calls me a liar for skimming mastinas iso and not seeing said information.-
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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MoI the scum team isn't fucking half the player list.
You complemented LLD for "seeing what you're seeing" in your previous post about the scumread on me.
Now you're calling her scum.
Show me a tier list of your reads.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Ser Arthur Dayne Jack of All Trades
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AgainIn post 1693, Vaxkiller wrote:In b4 SAD calls me a liar for skimming mastinas iso and not seeing said information.
Nty
I'm happy with what I caught you with.
Idk why you're actually feeling like I'm this vicious savage ready to jump on whatever you're gonna say.
I actually dfag I'm happy already.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Nice misrep. I like how you reference the beginning post instead of how it ended:In post 1692, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Vax has done nothing this game that warrants remaining alive and some of his posts are so ridiculously bad (1540 is the top spot) that him eating rope is a great plan.
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this rings townIn post 1693, Vaxkiller wrote:If they said they asked for something pretty early in their list, but I received that same something, but I asked for it much later in my list, would you say there is a chance that person is lying? (Not definite, and the accuracy of such a claim would depend greatly on how far apart the said item was on each list)green shirt thursdays-
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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Town can chainsaw / white-knight too. It's rarer, but I've seen it before.In post 1662, McMenno wrote:
scumbuds spottedIn post 1563, Ircher wrote:@Arthur --> Even for less skilled players, coherence and displayed skill can vary greatly depending on amount of effort. Do you have any examples of scum!Vax?
could you stop chainsawing vaxkiller please? yeah.In post 1616, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I mean I def see the general uselessness in UT's posts.
Mcmenno and UT are the ones who have been skating the most under the surface. The former has some substance in his posts, the latter has none.
aren't we allIn post 1620, Ircher wrote:
And these posts were awful.In post 744, McMenno wrote:
I scumread himIn post 733, GreyICE wrote:Oh cool, tell me.
How did he fool you before and what reminds you of that time?
then I did not
then someone sarcastically asked me to recount these events
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