In post 1971, Cephrir wrote:welcome to mafia
people have strong opinions
if someone replaced in and came out and said CHEETORY6 IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM WTF GUYS, for example, I'd be mildly surprised, but I would buy that someone could potentially think that
discrediting of my UT read noted.In post 1973, Cephrir wrote:ss is just scum isn't he
lmaoIn post 1975, Something_Smart wrote:discrediting of my UT read noted.
lynch what? I don't want to assume you are talking about me so you have to make a post about it.In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful
In post 1852, Spiffeh wrote:What do you think about the 9ish others that piled on with no justification?In post 1497, Vaxkiller wrote:Because newbies are lynch-bait. Veteran players think they know exactly when another vet is scum and think they always have them pegged. So when wagon gets started on a newbie player no one can be blamed for not knowing they were not scum because of this crappy play style.
Hence why I think SAD is scum trying to get me lynched for crappy reasoning.
And what are your reads beyond SAD in general?
SSIn post 1980, Vaxkiller wrote:lynch what? I don't want to assume you are talking about me so you have to make a post about it.In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful
I meanIn post 1977, Cephrir wrote:@ss
...really? that's the best you can come up with? i argued with your logic so you're just gonna call it ~discrediting~ and move on
nice buzzword i guess??
In post 1984, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Skimming at work but I saw at least 3 people reference nuking tomorrow and I thought nuking begins Day3 so now I'm confused.
She took her good old time responding to requests asking for the specific order (which it already was) and I have no complaints about that now. But the above post still reads like "look guys I really tried to get town things" when in this game it would have been perfectly acceptable for town to just go for the nuke.In post 1465, mastina wrote:What the hell.
I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.
You'd be a bunch of nuke-happy gun-toting 'MURICANS.
Apparently not!
No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.
Literally EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of them got picked. By someone in the game.
Because if so much as ONE of them had been left unpicked, I should have gotten something!
Can't tell if WIFOM to in fact create suspicion on me after or actually scumhunting...In post 1965, Vaxkiller wrote:You really think SAD seems like the type of person to trust an unknown player like me to scum read each other and try to get the other lynched? This really seems like the most likely option to you, some weird associative tell?In post 1908, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Why don’t you think SAD and Vax didn’t plan this in the scum PT?
two things:In post 1986, Vaxkiller wrote:I didn't like this post by Mastina:She took her good old time responding to requests asking for the specific order (which it already was) and I have no complaints about that now. But the above post still reads like "look guys I really tried to get town things" when in this game it would have been perfectly acceptable for town to just go for the nuke.In post 1465, mastina wrote:What the hell.
I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.
You'd be a bunch of nuke-happy gun-toting 'MURICANS.
Apparently not!
No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.
Literally EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of them got picked. By someone in the game.
Because if so much as ONE of them had been left unpicked, I should have gotten something!
Ircher/Cheetory/Gif likely town
Sooooo you couldn't argue with it, didn't have a problem with it, and decided to throw mud at me for funsies?In post 1983, Something_Smart wrote:I meanIn post 1977, Cephrir wrote:@ss
...really? that's the best you can come up with? i argued with your logic so you're just gonna call it ~discrediting~ and move on
nice buzzword i guess??
I can't really argue with 1971. If you actually think that his read on me is legit, then I guess you can keep thinking that. But I really feel like it isn't.
And you're being hypocritical, too; you're saying I can't scumread UT for having a read that he can't back up well, while scumreading me for having a read that I can't back up well.
1. Where does 18 min come from?In post 1988, Something_Smart wrote:two things:
1. "good old time" = 18 minutes?
2. "perfectly acceptable for town to just go for the nuke" implies "unacceptable for town to not go for the nuke"?
In post 1690, Vaxkiller wrote:Is this the order in which you asked?In post 1465, mastina wrote:No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.
2. I should have explained this better. Mastinas post to me implies she thought it would be kind of scummy to not go for troops first, so she listed them all. I cannot verify the validity of her requests, but its seems like a "look at me, im town" post.In post 1798, mastina wrote:Explicitly so, yes, exactly as I fucking said. Cop and Doc are top picks for obvious reasons. Eavesdrop is conditional on luck and on successfully interpreting messages in topics. Scum know about it and are going to try and mask their posting style as if in an alt, but I thought I'd still be able to get good info because scum can't control WHAT leaks. Roleblocker is conditional on blocking scum: powerful, but no cop. Airbase is basically a super-bulletproof. I didn't see myself as a realistic nightkill, but there was always the possibility. Tracker is about as useful as a roleblocker under normal circumstances: its strength is conditional, and not quite as useful to me as in a normal game because it cannot see nightkills, thus its lowered priority. The fucking dead hand is a vengekill/bomb hybrid.In post 1690, Vaxkiller wrote:Is this the order in which you asked?
Below that point was the zero fucks given point. Submarine is just a silent nuke, so why bother with it when a missile silo does exactly the same thing? Covert Ops Team is a roleblock for missile silos: useless. Strategic Missile Defense is a roleblock for nukes specifically: even more useless. Fighter just tells you if someone has troops or not. I thought useless, though APPARENTLY since all the troops are in play, not so much. Fallout shelter makes me nuke immune. Why would I want that when I was literally asking to be nuked? Counterintelligence is a tailor power: zero town usage.
This is the problem with fluff posting cases in large games. There's always a lurker/fluff poster, so cue the, "What about X?" questions.In post 1794, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I'm also wondering why Untrod is getting so much crap for having an empty pointless ISO while hiplop is getting none .. it puzzles me ...
Obviously.In post 1798, mastina wrote:APPARENTLY since all the troops are in play
You can't get nuked today and you can't get nuked tomorrow. You're clearly not the leading wagon.In post 1800, mastina wrote:Oh gee, I gave the town knowledge they didn't have before--all thirteen troops are in play--and claimed my list order, when everyone wants me dead. Golly, that sure is no reason whatsoever to claim, yes it is! There's surely no POSSIBLE reason to claim and give the town that info when you're a top pick for being nuked.
Anyone could've told you this had you asked. Had you thought to even glance at any of the previous games.In post 1800, mastina wrote:If everyone took this stance, and there was a troop nobody wanted, guess what?
Pretty basic but Cheetory has earned a lot of town cred this game.In post 1857, SpyreX wrote:I think the most disturbing part of this is how there's nothing in there that's even a ripple
And? I don't care for Ircher or the people that are voting him.In post 1864, Spiffeh wrote:Earlier Ircher was in your scum pile so this doesn't really jive with me
Also in that post you threw shade on all of mastina, McMenno, Ircher, Vaxkiller,
While I think all of these players have a nonzero percent chance of flipping scum (except maybe mastina) I think you're casting a really broad stroke over all the universal nuke targets which seems like a really easy stance to hold
Still on the scum side. Would love to see him eat it.In post 1865, Spiffeh wrote:Also RC what do you think of S_S?
If you can explain to me how Mastina is helping the town, I'll concede the point. Nukes are to be used like vig shots as far as I'm concerned.In post 1869, Spiffeh wrote:yuckIn post 1716, RedCoyote wrote:Yeah, I deliberately classified it as anti-town rather than scummy for that reason. I also deliberately asked for a nuke rather than a lynch for that reason. There's a fair shot Mastina is town; there's a 100% shot that Mastina is hurting the town.
They're both town in spite of their aggression toward one another.In post 1887, Cephrir wrote:I think people like saying this too much and it's basically impossible to determine, unless you're saying you just think they're both town independent of the argument in which case use different words
There was commentary, actually (see: 1173, 1219). Further, I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.In post 1890, McMenno wrote:wanted to address this in particular, you see he votes me immediately after cephrir does without any commentary then later tries to play it off as an rvs-y vote instead of you know... "yeah I was scumreading you and saw cephrir's vote as an opportunity to start a wagon on you"
and could you please be consistent? your posts sound like they're made by different players
oh and there's a difference between "scummy" (whatever that means) and "scum"
It's garbage if you scratch beyond the surface of it.In post 1913, Accountant wrote:i disagree the post you quoted was mm's best post so far
it has actual content which is a first
I'd be down with lynching, but I genuinely don't think Vax is a bad lynch.In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful
This is actually a solid post. Add that to the fact that I think D1 is large enough and that I don't think Vax is getting better here (his Mastina complaints in 1986 read as particularly tone deaf given his current situation) mean that I can join the wagon now.In post 1992, McMenno wrote:vaxkiller: I'm not saying ss is scum but he's pretty scummy
ss: I'm not saying ss is scum but he's pretty scummy
oh okay was a little worried for a sec there
The time between 1465, where she said what she did, and 1474, where she claimed the order, was 18 minutes.In post 1994, Vaxkiller wrote:1. Where does 18 min come from?
Claiming soon would be appropriate as Mastina has mentioned voting you.In post 1996, Vaxkiller wrote:I was really hoping people would stop sheeping me but now I think I should just fucking claim so you guys can stop wasting time.
