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Andrius The Baker
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Vaxkiller Jack of All Trades
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Cheetory6 MS Painter
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Why for all these picks.In post 2001, Vaxkiller wrote:espionage, eavesdrop, sub, strat missle defense, missle silo
Especially the first two.-
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McMenno they/themOne For Aren't-We-Allthey/them
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I thought it was pretty clear from context that I was referring to ircher's vote thereIn post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:There was commentary, actually (see: 1173, 1219). Further, I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.
Since Cephrir and I are mortal enemies this game, it only speaks to how great of a lynch you are that we can both agree on your scumminess.
I don't understand your last sentence. I use scummy as an adjective to describe people that are voting/saying/promoting/attacking in such a way that leads me to believe they are scum.-
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RedCoyote Jack of All Trades
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Oh, my mistake. That makes a lot more sense now. I'll have to reevaluate that post and my read of you then.In post 2003, McMenno wrote:
I thought it was pretty clear from context that I was referring to ircher's vote thereIn post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:There was commentary, actually (see: 1173, 1219). Further, I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.
Since Cephrir and I are mortal enemies this game, it only speaks to how great of a lynch you are that we can both agree on your scumminess.
I don't understand your last sentence. I use scummy as an adjective to describe people that are voting/saying/promoting/attacking in such a way that leads me to believe they are scum.-
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RedCoyote Jack of All Trades
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
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Regarding?
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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In post 2001, Vaxkiller wrote:I got eavesdropper. I asked for it 2nd. Here is my request list in order. espionage, eavesdrop, sub, strat missle defense, missle silo@LLD- I thought you were taking Eavesdrop as your first pick ..."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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RedCoyote Jack of All Trades
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Vax, is that the exact syntax of the messages you received? If not, please give it to us exactly.
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Vax's claim.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Regarding?
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
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I was doing it when Eavesdrop was a code breaking role.
Then I learned cryptography was banned.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
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Lady Lambdadelta She/FaerRise of the PhoenixShe/Faer
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I don't have anything that counter claims Vax's claim, if that's what you're asking.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,click here.
If you wish tospeak to one of us, we are Niamh, Rhiannon, Rhea, Aisling, Saoirse, Selene, Aoife, Fírinne, Aurélie, Lyra, Airna, Fiadh and Laoise.
Soar on wings of retribution and set the world ablaze-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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what a bizarre aggressive assertion.In post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:Anyway, it just boggles the mind how anyone couldn't come to this conclusion or think to do any sort of research on it at all."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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I understand what it means.In post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:They're both town in spite of their aggression toward one another.
It's relevant and easy to understand, so of course you'd be against it.
Oh boy we're gonna be like that! Great"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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McMenno they/themOne For Aren't-We-Allthey/them
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RedCoyote Jack of All Trades
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Fair enough. I remember this post.In post 2009, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I was doing it when Eavesdrop was a code breaking role.
Then I learned cryptography was banned.
Going to keep my vote off for now, but my initial impressions are that those messages don't look genuine. That said, Eavesdrop doesn't strike me as a high scum priority as surely a system could be arranged to mitigate any damage from drops and/or drop fakes. In fact, I think most players in this game, if they drew scum, might even feel up to the challenge of trying to make town-acquired Eavesdrop work in their favor.
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Save us the white knight act, please.Cephrir wrote:
what a bizarre aggressive assertion.In post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:Anyway, it just boggles the mind how anyone couldn't come to this conclusion or think to do any sort of research on it at all.
I extended an olive branch a couple of times, got nothing but snark in return. So, yeah, it's going to be like that.-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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you just listed me outside the scum section of your read list and now i'm white knighting?
i don't even know what olive branch you're talking about but that makes it sound like i'm just such a jerk because i won't retract my scumread. i'm just such a meanie pants for having an opinion."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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RedCoyote Jack of All Trades
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You're in good company, don't worry. As mentioned before, generally the only times when coming after me are 'fringe' are in games when I draw scum.Cephrir wrote:i feel like rc is painting me as out to get him so i seem like a fringe element :/
Just because I think you're more likely to be town doesn't mean I don't think you aren't helping. I currently have you as a town read though, yes.Cephrir wrote:you just listed me outside the scum section of your read list and now i'm white knighting?
i don't even know what olive branch you're talking about but that makes it sound like i'm just such a jerk because i won't retract my scumread. i'm just such a meanie pants for having an opinion.-
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RedCoyote Jack of All Trades
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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You clearly don't know your mafiascum history.In post 1829, Accountant wrote:MafBlack is the best because it is the default skin
Mafsilver was the default since the site's conception, essentially.
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Ircher He / Him / HisWhat A Grand IdeaHe / Him / His
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Also, since McMenno is so keen on lynching less-skilled players and players with a habit of getting lynched as town this game without giving even a shadow of a doubt:
The phrase "scummy != scum" means that just because a player may do things that can be viewed as coming from scum (aka scummy), it doesn't necessarily mean that they are scum.
All those scumtells on the wiki..... They probably work about 10% of the time at best. Why? 1) Scum will actively avoid commiting them because.... they're scumtells 2) Townies, who are less cautious generally, have a tendency of commiting some of them by mistake/without intending to do so/sub-consciously.
Scumtells ONLY WORK if the player in question consistently does them as scum but not as often as town. You have to look at the big picture WHICH INCLUDES the player'sbefore you start trying to paint a behavior as something only scum would do even when it's quite obvious that town can do it too.meta and playstyle
Sheeping isnota scumtell 9/10 times because 1) Town can do it 2) Town who townread a better player than themselves may decide that that player's reads are more likely to be accurate 3) Anyone will start sheeping if they become apathetic 4) It's not a behavior that even benefits scum a lot.
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That said, my McMenno vote wasa sheep as I already explained givingNOTTHREEreasons for the vote, yet McMennofocused on onlyon those reasons and claimed my reasons were aONECOVER-UPbecause Iapparentlydidn't want to be called out for sheeping.
Some other things people should realize: "Correlation doesn't imply Causation"; just because my vote camesoon afterCephrir's votedoes not necessarily meanthat Cephrir's votecausedme to vote McMenno.
Maybe you didn't like my reasons for my Mc!enno; that's understandable as long as you show that you read them all. But, trying to press my vote as scummy even when 1) There's just as likely, if not moreso, chance that town COULD do something similar and 2) The number of assumptions to make for McMenno's account is more than the number of assumptions made for what I stated in terms of my vote (Occam's Razor) is beyond ridiculous;it's scum behavior.
And I swear, if there were a lyncher in this game, it would DEFINITELY be McMenno with a win condition to try to lynch me; this isn't the first post of McMenno's that is outrageous and ridiculous with the sole intent of getting me lynched WITHOUT proper evidence or even effort to prove such.
It's obvious to me this is scum McMenno trying to get a lynch he believes to be easy to pull off.
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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Because McMenno and hiplop deserve better than to be put into the same tier as Zito. They're at least on rung higher, if not two.In post 1872, Accountant wrote:someone remind me again why I should not put papa zito in the same category as mcmenno and hiplop
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