DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Ircher]

MafBlack is the best because it is the default skin

You clearly don't know your mafiascum history.
Mafsilver was the default since the site's conception, essentially.

It is the superior skin.

Welcome to the New Mafiascum where the Black is better than the Silver.

[Ircher]

@Mastina --> McMenno has so far done nothing constructive AT ALL this game imo.

Why do you think he's town?

[Ircher]

Also, since McMenno is so keen on lynching less-skilled players and players with a habit of getting lynched as town this game without giving even a shadow of a doubt:

The phrase "scummy != scum" means that just because a player may do things that can be viewed as coming from scum (aka scummy), it doesn't necessarily mean that they are scum.

All those scumtells on the wiki..... They probably work about 10% of the time at best. Why? 1) Scum will actively avoid commiting them because.... they're scumtells 2) Townies, who are less cautious generally, have a tendency of commiting some of them by mistake/without intending to do so/sub-consciously.

Scumtells ONLY WORK if the player in question consistently does them as scum but not as often as town. You have to look at the big picture WHICH INCLUDES the player's

meta and playstyle

before you start trying to paint a behavior as something only scum would do even when it's quite obvious that town can do it too.

Sheeping is

not

a scumtell 9/10 times because 1) Town can do it 2) Town who townread a better player than themselves may decide that that player's reads are more likely to be accurate 3) Anyone will start sheeping if they become apathetic 4) It's not a behavior that even benefits scum a lot.
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That said, my McMenno vote was

NOT

a sheep as I already explained giving

THREE

reasons for the vote, yet McMenno

focused on only

ONE

on those reasons and claimed my reasons were a

COVER-UP

because I

apparently

didn't want to be called out for sheeping.

Some other things people should realize: "Correlation doesn't imply Causation"; just because my vote came

soon after

Cephrir's vote

does not necessarily mean

that Cephrir's vote

caused

me to vote McMenno.

Maybe you didn't like my reasons for my Mc!enno; that's understandable as long as you show that you read them all. But, trying to press my vote as scummy even when 1) There's just as likely, if not moreso, chance that town COULD do something similar and 2) The number of assumptions to make for McMenno's account is more than the number of assumptions made for what I stated in terms of my vote (Occam's Razor) is beyond ridiculous;

it's scum behavior.

And I swear, if there were a lyncher in this game, it would DEFINITELY be McMenno with a win condition to try to lynch me; this isn't the first post of McMenno's that is outrageous and ridiculous with the sole intent of getting me lynched WITHOUT proper evidence or even effort to prove such.

It's obvious to me this is scum McMenno trying to get a lynch he believes to be easy to pull off.

VOTE: McMenno

Quoting this for the new page....

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

please dont piss people off or you will be nuked until you glow

If this is not a lie or intentionally played with because they want to incriminate someone (small chance) or played with because vax scum

then this is most likely spyrex.

[GuyInFreezer]

please dont piss people off or you will be nuked until you glow

If this is not a lie or intentionally played with because they want to incriminate someone (small chance) or played with because vax scum

then this is most likely spyrex.

Actually I find that one funny because GICE mentioned the exact statement on thread.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF is some pretty damn cheeky scum in a game where most of everyone has nukes. Would be SHOCKED if the scum QT didn't have something like "please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow". So either he told his scum team to suck his dick, or he's just asshole town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

please dont piss people off or you will be nuked until you glow

If this is not a lie or intentionally played with because they want to incriminate someone (small chance) or played with because vax scum

then this is most likely spyrex.

Actually I find that one funny because GICE mentioned the exact statement on thread.

Oh?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also if you put eavesdrop first or have the role claim obv.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If you took even a cursory glance at any of the three previous games, you'd know this. I mean, you have 24 players and 13 troops. One is taken off the top for the Terrorist, so let's make it 12 troops.

I thought SK has one pick outside of draft? So like the one he picks will be duplicated?

[GuyInFreezer]

@mod: does the eavesdrop's messages get the entire message or just the part of the message?

[Ircher]

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

What does this have to do WITH ANYTHING? How many non-marathon games have I played against you as scum, McMenno? Link them too. (I'm pretty sure the answer is zero, maybe one as a third party.) And, regardless, again,

what does past events in other games have to do with this game especially given the number of posts I made at the time?

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

Oh cool, tell me.

How did he fool you before and what reminds you of that time?

I scumread him

then I did not

then someone sarcastically asked me to recount these events

the end

Here's McMenno evading a perfectly reasonable AND NOT SARCASTIC question with a non-answer. Answer the question.

732 pings me most. just feels weird considering he's never once talked about Ircher before this.

ircher started posting between that post and the last post I made at the time

And still, how does this justify your earlier two posts?

VOTE: McMenno

why did you piggyback off of cephrir's vote instead of voting redcoyote or something_smart, which I'm sure could have a wagon built on them?

Correlation does not imply causation; voting McMenno after Cephrir does not necessarily mean that Cephrir's vote caused me to vote McMenno.

I am pretty sure I did not ask your reasons

and why are you still in an rvs mindset

Definition of Confirmation Bias: Ignoring everything your opponent states under the argument it's either something scum say or you didn't ask for it. If you accuse me of sheeping Ceohrir's vote, then shouldn't I at least be given a chance to defend myself? (Aka, recount my side of the story?) It's "Innocent until proven guilty", not the other way around. And, I gave at least 1 reason for voting you that didn't have to do with RVS. (You can look it up yourselves.)

In post 1464, McMenno wrote:

In post 1456, Ircher wrote:
VOTE: McMenno


why did you piggyback off of cephrir's vote instead of voting redcoyote or something_smart, which I'm sure could have a wagon built on them?



And you concluded it was a piggyback vote how?

wanted to address this in particular, you see he votes me immediately after cephrir does without any commentary then later tries to play it off as an rvs-y vote instead of you know... "yeah I was scumreading you and saw cephrir's vote as an opportunity to start a wagon on you"

and could you please be consistent? your posts sound like they're made by different players

oh and there's a difference between "scummy" (whatever that means) and "scum"

Misrep, Correlation does not imply Causation, the anti-thesis of Occam's Razor (apparently, giving reasons to support a previous vote requires more assumptions than assuming the player is trying to cover up the fact that they are "sheeping"). And I basically explained "scummy != scum", but apparently, that's also something McMenno uses against me despite the number of times I've stated it as town. If you don't understand something, you ASK; you don't sarcastically DISREGARD IT.

[mastina]

If you took even a cursory glance at any of the three previous games, you'd know this.

Wait, we were supposed to?



(But more seriously. I know of those games more by reputation than anything else. Some times, random events from them would be linked--titles, scummy noms, etc. And from those, I would read random snippets of the threads. Really, more of a skim than proper reading. I read random parts, sure, but in those parts, there were no mention of roles or if there were only minimally so. All the parts *I* read had to do with HAHAHAHA FUCK YOU ALL I GOT A NUKE.)

One is taken off the top for the Terrorist, so let's make it 12 troops.

Wrong. The terrorist gets a FREE copy of a troop. That is, they get a troop and then if they chose to take a troop, can get another, and are the ONLY player in the game who have this ability.

But thanks for giving the scumteam extra information.

What information, that I don't have troops?
Oh yeah, that's really helpful, like me having troops makes me a fucking nightkill, right?

[Papa Zito]

Oh yeah, that's really helpful, like me having troops makes me a fucking nightkill, right?

Try the opposite.

[mastina]

[basically a scumclaim]

I mean.
I could say "nuke this shit".

But what I really want is for us to just lynch Ircher.

I'm on UT because the wagon's larger.
(I also don't really support the Vaxkiller wagon right now.)

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, is that the exact syntax of the messages you received? If not, please give it to us exactly.

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UNVOTE: Vaxkiller for now as I want to hear from LLD.

Regarding?

Vax's claim.

Sorry, I was typing rather fast and missed a few ' and contractions. I am allowed to copy word for word. Here is EXACT word for word:

please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow

who should be applauded

xavier frank tom laura

Each of those 3 are different posts. The eavesdrop ability doesn't say it gives partial msg's, but the last 2 I received are certainly odd.

[Ircher]

[basically a scumclaim]

I mean.
I could say "nuke this shit".

But what I really want is for us to just lynch Ircher.

I'm on UT because the wagon's larger.
(I also don't really support the Vaxkiller wagon right now.)

How is it a scumclaim?

"Innocent until proven guilty" and you have yet to explain with more than one sentence why I'm scum or why a certain post is a scum claim.

[Cephrir]

it's mastin

you're not gonna get an explanation, don't waste your time

[Ircher]

I want the explanation; I'm tired of people being "That's scum" without even attempting to explain/show how/why that person is scum.

[Vaxkiller]

GIF is some pretty damn cheeky scum in a game where most of everyone has nukes. Would be SHOCKED if the scum QT didn't have something like "please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow". So either he told his scum team to suck his dick, or he's just asshole town.

That has to be a setup, right?

[Cheetory6]

Still waiting on why you made those picks Vax.

[Cephrir]

I want the explanation; I'm tired of people being "That's scum" without even attempting to explain/show how/why that person is scum.

One time I spent a whole game trying to get mastin to say something other than "because it looks like scum"

But I guess you've got to make some mistakes for yourself in life

[mastina]

McMenno has so far done nothing constructive AT ALL this game imo. Why do you think he's town?

It's too early to tell for sure, actually. He's not town.
But the reason he's not scum is experience.

Have you

played

with McMenno before?

I have.
Tell me, what's the difference between here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

Hint: 2 games scum, 6 games town. Which are which?

His posts aren't identical as both alignments, sure.
But they're pretty damn similar.

[Andrius]

@mod: does the eavesdrop's messages get the entire message or just the part of the message?

An Eavesdropper would get the whole message sans Poster Name and Timestamp

.

[xRECKONERx]

mastin what is your avatar

[mastina]

Actually I find that one funny because GICE mentioned the exact statement on thread.

Then unless the statement in the mafia PT predates the statement in-thread, the statement in the mafia PT was probably used in direct reference (I can't find the right word--not quite 'in humor', not quite 'sarcastic', not quite 'parody', but in reference) to the GreyICE quote.

Which players do you think would make that sort of quote?
I kinda think that'd be a UT thing to do. He'd be the type to...oh, for lack of a better word, parody something.
I'm wondering who else could do that.

What that actually tells me though is that GreyICE is unlikely to be scum.