DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Cephrir]

And yeah, sure, taking it for WIFOM isn't bad by any means, but it might be worth seeing if we get anything useful out of it between now and defcon 1.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I really want someone to call him out but deep inside i know it won't Halen page 150 hoo

bro

What is this btw?

What is the spyrex post anyway?

Also, I think someone mentioned somewhere that scum wouldn't be prioritizing dayvig or something?

I think a 1 for 1 trade (where they take out a key town player) is pretty valuable for scum to have if they are getting nuked or almost getting lynched, no?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.

No

He didn't waste a spot on it.

He put it second.

He was contesting cop first.

I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.

[GuyInFreezer]

can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful

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[RedCoyote]

What do you say to the idea that scum prioritized Eavesdropper because they knew town would think they wouldn't and so get one of their buddies a free dodge from a lynch.

Is the poisoned wine in front of me, or you...

But anyway regardless, Vax was likely to be one of the people to be run up Day1 from pregame discussion. Still doesn't change the fact scum can prioritize Eavesdropper (esp considering there's 5 of them). Didn't even LLD say she went for Eavesdropper as scum last DEFCON game?

My answer to "why would scum go for X role":

"To seem town"

And that's fine, but, as you recognize, now we're at WIFOM arguments. Are the scum more concerned with choosing troops to play WIFOM games or are the more concerned with utility (a la Submarine, Espionage, Counterintelligence, Fighter, etc)

I can't speak to LLD or LLD's motivations from 3.0.

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This is now the clearly superior lynch unless someone can sell me on the scum motivation beyond WIFOM.

[Cephrir]

That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.

No

He didn't waste a spot on it.

He put it second.

He was contesting cop first.

I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.

can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful

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both good points

[GuyInFreezer]

If I understood correctly the whole thing about LLD wanting that role was because of the cryptography.

[RedCoyote]

SAD/Spiff, is Missle Silo more valuable to scum than Eavesdrop?

[Spiffeh]

It's really risky to let a scum read go because of the role they chose except for maybe cop?

It's perfectly plausible that Vax is scum with that role and his buddies are making nonsense posts so his claim separates him from being scum

I think the claim should be treated as null

[Spiffeh]

SAD/Spiff, is Missle Silo more valuable to scum than Eavesdrop?

I would think so but I'm not getting into this WIFOM game

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also we can only guess who as scum would value which troops over others so this discussion is pointless.

[RedCoyote]

It's perfectly plausible that Vax is scum with that role and his buddies are making nonsense posts so his claim separates him from being scum

Of course it's plausible. For that though, you have to accept that Eavesdrop was a valid troop pick that the scum team was actively trying to get. With their limited numbers (compared to the town). With the knowledge that they couldn't screw with whichever town player would get it. With the knowledge that they're effectively giving up a Missle Silo.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD/Spiff, is Missle Silo more valuable to scum than Eavesdrop?

If I was scum (and even as a townie) I prioritize dayvig very highly. The reasons are different obv, but having the ability to kill someone you have a strong suspicion on, or just cutting some of the townies from the game as scum via daykills, is pretty huge.

I barely looked at Defcon 4, but from what I did see Regfan (who was scum) dayvigged magua (town), then put in something like "oops, at least I took out a troll ". I obv don't know the circumstances, but cutting the townie list always seems like a good idea for scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

For that though, you have to accept that Eavesdrop was a valid troop pick that the scum team was actively trying to get.

That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.

No

He didn't waste a spot on it.

He put it second.

He was contesting cop first.

I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.

[GuyInFreezer]

Espionage isn't that great for scum utility either though.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?

Really?

Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like honestly,

I am treating any roleclaim null.

Town can go for scummy roles to keep it away from scum.

Scum can go for townie roles to keep it away from town.

Scum can go for scummy roles.

Town can go for townie roles.

Scum can go for WIFOM roles.

Town can go for roles they think might be fun.

Etc etc.

[GuyInFreezer]

I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?

Really?

Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?

I mean I was townreading him even before all this shenanigans.

[Spiffeh]

Oh yeah he didn't even put Eavesdropper first

Now I care even less about role arguments!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?

Really?

Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?

Exactly,

LLD went for Eavesdrop as scum in DEFCON 4...

So how is it unlikely for scum to go for it now?

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah, dude. I just want to redeem myself from last time.

Then why are you wanting the Eavesdrop and not Righteous Nuclear Power?

If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.

If I could find someone who I thought was town but didn't trust with a nuke I'd shove it onto them and take a nuke.

But I don't have that yet, so.

If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.

No I don't recall. I thought you took Eavesdrop.

Grumble grumble making me look way back to find that info ...

Nope, I had a nuke and someone else has eavesdrop and they fed me the codes and I pretended to solve them.

[Cephrir]

I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.

Will too.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.

Umm...

Like if you're suggesting they're gonna nightkill him anytime soon then umm...

I have some bad news for you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now don't get me wrong his role bids are not alignment indicative, but please stop saying untrue things?