DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GreyICE]

Isn't it basically a free lynch since the SK could kill anyone? Like... I like corpses as much as I always do, but not when mafia gets a kill.

[GreyICE]

Hey like
If you think I got home and said I'm reading 17 pages of this shit
You're totally wrong

[GreyICE]

Everything between pages 5 and 16 will remain a mystery
Kind of okay with that

[GreyICE]

I'd say I'm good at reading LLD but it turns out I'm garbage.

This strikes me as a bunch of townies talking, outside the mystery pages, but there's no stakes so it's hard to know.

Vote:total war

It's all just posturing until people are at risk, so this portion of the game is so low stakes I can't care.

[GreyICE]

LLD, Cheetory, Toogeloo

Is there something you're waiting to happen before you vote or..?

guys

look at this post


guys

are you seeing this

Wouldn't the scum topic keep you better informed?

[GreyICE]

Hey Dayne bad players can draw scum too. I mean yes if your scumreads are "all the baddies" you're doing it wrong, but this trap card nonsense is going to get you nuked and then you'll flip town and I'll be sad.

[GreyICE]

@Dayne: scum might have opinions on setup. Scum might not have TOWN opinions on setup prepared. That's at best null.

[GreyICE]

@Dayne: what you just described (analyzing a game mechanic from a fully scum perspective) is a huge scumtell.

[GreyICE]

I'd ask what Ircher's percentages came from, but I'm doomed to be disappointed in the answer. I will elect to believe he's like a droid in Star Wars and is busy calculating the odds of his success. Which are... probably not high.

On the plus side, Spiffeh is town (NO REASONING)

[GreyICE]

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

Oh cool, tell me.

How did he fool you before and what reminds you of that time?

[GreyICE]

None really. The game just started. And if you think I care about pregame posturing when nothing is at stake and no one can die, you're... accountant.

[GreyICE]

Can SAD explain to me what makes an interaction "forced"? What would prompt a "forced" interaction?

It's the sort of hollow rhetoric I see tossed around a lot, and I'm curious what it means in this context.

Not fully caught up and phone posting, some personal stuff happened to my roommate last night so I didn't have much time for mafia.

[GreyICE]

VLA until monday

[GreyICE]

Hi so can someone nuke me so I don't have to read up.

[GreyICE]

Oh good, voting begins on page 58. So we can ignore everything before that as posturing.

Nadia gets Counterintelligence, which strikes me as extremely town. Why would Mafia even bid on that? Unless they really think she's such a weak player that she needs the stupid role for town points, there's no reason to do that. I don't think Nadia is that weak, I don't think scum would do that anyway. Comfortable.

LLD votes for SAD. I don't like that. SAD's one of the few people I had a town read on during the posturing portion of the game. Which... probably means nothing. It was a posturing portion of the game. Why, LLD, why? Oh wait I see, a completely pointless disagreement that gave me cancer. Am in intensive unit, please stand by.

Some nobody is posting. What a disaster. Lets ignore him.

Hmmm

Vote: Vaxkiller

I agree with Fate and Spy. Is an uncontroversial position here I see.

Mastin is scum. Sad

Ircher is town. EP and McMenno are voting him. Noted.

[GreyICE]

@Cheetory:

You're voting Vax. You're trying to explain to him why he's scum. He's not getting it. What do you expect, for him to turn around and go "well obviously I'm scum, you've convinced me?" No seriously, what's the point of explaining to Vax why he's scum, as opposed to either questioning him or talking to other townies? This is a very specific type of not productive.

GIF is some pretty damn cheeky scum in a game where most of everyone has nukes. Would be SHOCKED if the scum QT didn't have something like "please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow". So either he told his scum team to suck his dick, or he's just asshole town.

I'm impressed how in a 26 player game I seem to be reading about 8 fucking names for pages and pages. It says something.

I'm sad to say my wife is probably scum. Maybe.

Some case about UT by someone. Is irrelevant, UT has posted nothing during the only relevant phase of the game. Which is... a really bad sign actually. High posting during posturing, low posting during stakes is not designed to make me happy.

McMenno and ErrantParabola are still voting for Ircher. Would be willing to bet I could get minimum one scum flip by nuking both.

UT posts. It's not very effective. The crowd goes mild.

Half a Hydra takes a VLA. I struggle to comprehend what the mod should do about this or why it's a thing that should be posted in the game. Should the hydra only get half a prod? I mean what's even the point of this? Given the lolercoaster that is their content... why?

Mastin is scuuuuummmmmmmmm so scuuuuummmmmm so very scummmmmmmm please make her glow.

Cephrir is town and obvious cat is obvious.

TLDR: Please nuke Vax, Mastina, McMenno, Errant Parabola. Please look at Cheetory and try and figure out what's happening. Mastin voting UT made me very leery of that wagon. Guaranteed not a scumbus there. LLD good place for vote am SAD to say.

[GreyICE]

You make being wrong an artform baby.

[GreyICE]

So you still don't understand what the issue is.
When I've literally laid it out and it's literally in the post that you're running around quoting from him?

Like this is the tail end of the interaction.

You're already voting him. You're explaining to him why. Not to us. Scum communications aren't private anymore as I recall. I dunno, things like this just make me nervous ya dig?

[GreyICE]

Dayne Dayne, please don't tell people to fuck off when they ask perfectly reasonable questions about what is so townie about Vax's posts. Because... what is so townie about Vax's posts? If you're going to publically pitch a fit when people question you I'll shrug and nod when the nukes come for you.

If you really think he's town, sell me on why he is and why someone else is a better lynch. And why that person is Mastina.

[GreyICE]

Dayne Dayne, please don't tell people to fuck off when they ask perfectly reasonable questions about what is so townie about Vax's posts. Because... what is so townie about Vax's posts? If you're going to publically pitch a fit when people question you I'll shrug and nod when the nukes come for you.

If you really think he's town, sell me on why he is and why someone else is a better lynch. And why that person is Mastina.

[GreyICE]

LLD what did we learn from PYP?

I think he's scum.

[GreyICE]

Okay I'm due a big write up tonight when I have a computer.

But why not Mastina?

[GreyICE]

Like is she off the table for any reason besides no one wants to read her posts?

[GreyICE]

Thats not something to announce, thats an implicit SDC blood pact SpyreX.

I only say this outloud because I'm sure half the playerlist is no longer reading

Page 99 killed my will to live, so this is a thing.

I still really want Vaxkiller. In PYP we chose the investigative roles and the vigs as the most important things for the scum to get. That's why I am almost positive Nadia is town. We got two different townies bidding 100 on Ninja to deny it from scum, and scum didn't even bid on Ninja. And it was the same thing that happened the previous PYP. He was scummy before that, and this doesn't help at all. His list is 100% what I would expect quite a few scum to submit.

[GreyICE]

Mastina's vote on UT was opportunistic as fuck.

I'd much rather lynch her if that's the choice

But I'm unsure as to why we aren't doing Vax.

[GreyICE]

It means he shall die in a nuclear fire.

[GreyICE]

@SAD: That logic is terrible.

[GreyICE]

@UT: So you want us to kill the person who actively isn't paying attention to this game over you, the person who passively isn't paying much attention and certainly isn't posting much of anything?

That about sum it up?

[GreyICE]

This is honestly the vote count?

Balls to that.

Vote: Mastina

LLD is scum.

[GreyICE]

I'm with you on that, Reck.

My issue with joining the UT wagon is that I know UT can be a good player and I struggle to read him, and it feels very much, like I said prior, like a vanity wagon from you.

So I don't know to what Reck we're getting today. Is it Psychic Mafia Reck or is it like, off the mark Reck.

Cause I'll sheep fucking Psychic Mafia Reck all day.

But if even a little bit, this is driven by ego as opposed to confidence, I'd like to discuss another option with you.

See this is

Scumposting

Don't know what it says about anyone's alignment

She's too good for me to read the angle

But there's an angle, angle is scum

[GreyICE]

What's with your new title? Old one was better.

And nope, didn't consider it. Don't buuuyy it.

Lynch Mastina with me, worst case scenario is you won't have to feel bad about the fact you're not reading her walls.

[GreyICE]

This is honestly the vote count?

Balls to that.

Vote: Mastina

LLD is scum.

So your action when stating LLD is scum is to vote the player who stated they are nuking LLD?

Whut?

That's what, at DEFCON 1? In like another 200 pages?

I'm super happy calling two players scum when they're actively threatening to do something mean to each other a few days from now.

[GreyICE]

I wonder how it is possible that you can manage to comment on the vote count (which contributes to the apathy about this game and also to making you look more disconnected from this game which is currently aiding in generating town reads on you), when you so clearly did not even read the vote count?

I mean, you might be able to explain not seeing my vote on Mastin by saying "oh it's a smaller wagon I didn't notice" but given you voted mastin in the very same post.... I'm not entirely certain that holds any water.

Like I literally glanced at the numbers. If I have to summarize how depressed I am in general it's a 9.5, and this game adds about 3.5 to that. On a 1-10 scale. It at least beats the other game I was in, because I don't want to punch anyone in the face yet, but it's a whole lot of not much. So yeah, I thought you were voting SS or something.

LLD as an unbiased source I can tell you mastin has done almost nothing scummy this game.

Some anti town stuff? Sure. Some trolling? Sure. But scum motivated posts? I see almost nothing.

But are you a good source?

I mean an unbiased source could mean anything. If I programmed a computer to randomly spit out headlines it would be unbiased. Would it be good? No. Mastina is scum.

[GreyICE]

Mcmenno lynch still very high quality

I'm down.

not as high as S_S or UT or even mastina imo

Well we're in agreement on one in three.

[GreyICE]

Like if I have to pick the two leading ones I pick....

Nah, actually both of them are behind no lynch for me, because if they have nukes then that's more kills flying about in a way we can guide on day two, and because I have that little faith. I guess SS marginally edges out UT because he hasn't done anything for two days and that's bad, but I don't buy UT scum here.

[GreyICE]

Counter: There is no such thing as true "randombess" on a computer (aside from entropy....)

Spoiler: Not game related

Can people stop spreading this stupid ass myth? IvyBridge has supported RDRAND for nearly 10 years, and AMD added support too, meaning that true randomness is incredibly easy on a computer. It draws random numbers from the waste heat output from the processor. If you're worried about NSA backdoors in Ivy Bridge you can always use the random movement of the processor to generate a random youtube video and then salt the hash with the video bitstream with a random startpoint (again using mouse jitters) which is so ungodly high entropy you'd be extremely lucky to get anywhere cracking it. Or you can do Random.org which polls atmospheric noise.

But really, just type RDRAND. Hello true randomness.

[GreyICE]

Fine.

VOTE: SS

Of the two UT is less ornery and posts more useful stuff. This day needs to end.

[GreyICE]

So SS is scum.

That's nice to see.

[GreyICE]

Although who here is like "it's 90% likely this cop claim is complete bullshit, let's switch to the other leading wagon - I bet that was on scum too!"

Actually no seriously who thinks that. Can you explain your line of reasoning?

[GreyICE]

Like honestly. There's a possibility of a cop+doctor in this setup. Do you think scum bid on counterintelligence? Hint: Nadia claimed it in about the first post of the game. WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY BID ON INSTEAD?

Do I have to paint people a picture? This is PYP take 2 except I'm town here.

[GreyICE]

Also is anyone impressed that both of the day 1 wagons were derailed by claim in a small town setup?

[GreyICE]

I volunteer to be investigated

...

Did you just claim SK

[GreyICE]

'cause it feels like you just claimed SK

[GreyICE]

Yeah but like motivation

Town want to find scum. Getting investigated doesn't find scum
Scum want to not be found. Getting investigated doesn't help that
SK wants to survive. A result of "not-mafia" helps.

And like... man, normally when you're polarizing you just tell them to go dunk their heads in the nearest magma flow.

[GreyICE]

Given all role PMs are open, there aren't actually any sekret reasons.

[GreyICE]

But I can read all the possible deployments. You're just blowing smoke.

Vote: LLD

[GreyICE]

Lambdelta is starting to look suspicious...

FoS Lamb

Pretty sure Lamb is the Terrorist by the way she's acting, but not definite....

Uh... did I say this guy was town at some point?

[GreyICE]

Oh you think he's scum.

So you don't bus when you're scum.
And when you're town you have titus syndrome where your scumreads are always town

So like... yeah I dunno.

Vote: Mastina

Not willing to lynch someone for potentially being the SK on day 1. That's like shooting a barrel full of fish and trying to hit a lobster.

[GreyICE]

Oh man this is so awesome, I didn't know RC was town. And Zito. Thanks Mastina.

[GreyICE]

Hmmm... actually you'd have put at least one buddy in there.

So why Zito? Talk to me about him.

[GreyICE]

We could just do this.

Original Roll String: 1d24

1 24-Sided Dice: (19) = 19

[GreyICE]

Well dice say we should lynch ErrantParabola.

Should we follow destiny Cheetory?

[GreyICE]

Could we go back to Vax?

Anything other than "this guy made a claim that's really likely to be scum but we don't want to lynch him day 1 lets lynch the other wagon everyone was on"

Like... practically literally anything.

[GreyICE]

Actually isn't the worst possible roll for a lynch.
I'm kind of in the same headspace as most people that more claims is probably bad at this point though?

Cheetory two people were wagoned, two people claimed strong investigative roles in a bidding smalltown.

That's what we call the opposite of a bad thing.

[GreyICE]

No I want this lynch and I will fight for it.

Let me prepare a powerpoint presentation on why Mastina is scum.

Literally

[GreyICE]

Please vote Mastina with me

Okay, I just need to show this to you guys visually, because this is so incredibly bad its hard to comprehend. This is the progression of reads over the course of five goddamn days.



I've taken the liberty of highlighting everything that isn't a minor shuffle. Although we could also highlight many inexplicable things on that list (ErrantParabola is a high town read).

This is a gap of five days. Five fucking days.

And mind you this is one of the few players who is NOT complaining about wanting the day to end, but says she has good reads. Does anything here look good, friends?

[GreyICE]

Hey Accountant guess what program I made that image in.

It's just hard to post a ppt as an image link.

[GreyICE]

Your powerpoint presentation needs more slides.

SLIDE 2: VOTE MASTON

SLIDE 3: PROFIT

SLIDE 4: HOW MANY DICKS CAN CHEETORY FIT IN HIS MOUTH

[GreyICE]

Because I honestly missed it.

Why is this your first game relevant post since your claim?

[GreyICE]

Honestly SS? If you want content, make it yourself. Show me how you scumhunt, that's worth something. You answering my questions is worth nothing at all.

[GreyICE]

Hey I'm voting mastin i believe I'm helping

[GreyICE]

I don't really get why changing reads is scummy.
Especially since five days of this game included like.. 2-3 claims and lots of shit happening?

I have no fucking clue what the picture is supposed to tell

Did mastin change her reads too much or too little.

You have to read the words too.

[GreyICE]

Yes Cheetory. It's a super noncontroversial list with no interesting reads that barely evolves in any manner.

Who makes those?

[GreyICE]

When someone barely shifts their reads.
Has nothing interesting except LLD scum which isn't even that interesting
Presents it like it's gods gift to town
You lynch that shit

A high degree of work in not being scummy is scummy.

[GreyICE]

What no. Why do you think that's my case.

Am annoyed now.

[GreyICE]

mastina is arrogant with her reads as town.
How is this even a reason for her being scum.
Fucking hell.
Sometimes mafia is just literally a "who likes this person contest".
Can we seriously not do that for once.

Fuck arrogance

It's the lack of quality
And the lack of evolution
She's just fucking coasting as scum
Jesus christ what the hell
Is your problem with that

[GreyICE]

Five DAYS Cheetory. DAYS. Actually more like six. That's a period of time consisting of 144 hours. That was like SIXTY FUCKING PAGES

FIVE PAGES WHAT THE FUCK

ARE YOU ACTUALLY READING ME?

[GreyICE]

Like I still think you're town. But you're giving me one of those headaches where I just want to fucking sit down and yell "WHERE WERE YOU DURING THE READING COMPREHENSION PORTION OF THE SIXTH GRADE?" at the top of my lungs like I'm a werewolf howling at the moon.

[GreyICE]

The LACK of changes. If she changed her reads a whole lot in 60 pages I'd be inclined to trust them more. Especially if there was like one entirely troll read in there just to fuck with us.

It's WAY too consistent in a very lazy way.

[GreyICE]

I mean if we're doing meta, then no. Mastin usually fucking trolls like hell with the lists. She posts them whenever she wants to get a rise. She promotes players who haven't posted in game to the top of the town pile. She switches her entire reads because a new theory occurred to her and she wants to see what reaction it gets. It follows no logic I can discern, and is mostly just for the hell of it.

And this game is like lord god king of the trollpit. And I can tell you why every name on that list is where it is and it's super boring.

NOT TOWN

[GreyICE]

It's weak. It's literally like an attempt to copy what she does as town.

Not her doing it as town.

Liiiike, that's the thing. "Look I'm doing all the things I do as town so I'm town!" But the heart ain't there.

[GreyICE]

Like are you friggin diving Mastin's ISO to confirmation bias yourself into a town read now?

[GreyICE]

Or do you just want this point of yours to be stronger than it is.

[GreyICE]

So is ISO diving SS like jumping headfirst into the kiddy pool?

[GreyICE]

I actually don't consider it that scummy.

But then again I don't think any of the opening posts mean anything. Everyone's just jockeying for towncred until lives are on the line.

[GreyICE]

Which coincidentally is when SS started playing scared.

[GreyICE]

He's not a cop in his first post. Like remember? Fuck I'm half here and I remember.

[GreyICE]

Now what I have an issue with is that 100% of his content after the voting started was either threatening people who were voting him or pleading with people to townread him. I mean look at his interaction with you and me. He asks me to ask him questions, and he's more or less begging you not to scumread him.

Why me = fry me

[GreyICE]

"Psychological profile" is literal gibberish. I might as well say "I killed a chicken and in the entrails I read the truth."

Jesus fuck christ that was bad.

[GreyICE]

My psychological profile of mastina says she's a scumbutt.

There's a 32.3333% chance (repeating of course) that she's town here. That's low enough I'll risk it.

[GreyICE]

Some pages I get the opinion it's all just townies talking to each other.

These were not those sort of pages.

[GreyICE]

She's just fucking coasting as scum

I am in fact coasting.
It is indeed strategic coasting, too.

I am deliberately selecting, picking and choosing, what content I provide, what I will and will not respond to. I could be giving this game a lot more serious effort than I am giving it now, and I am DELIBERATELY choosing not to give that effort. This choice is not a choice made from real-life reasons (e.g. not wanting to devote too much time to this game). This is a choice I have made, fully with my alignment in mind and as a direct product of it.

So you're not

exactly

wrong here.

You are however, failing to grasp what precisely my strategy here is. There are multiple reasons, all of them pro-town, why I adapted this approach. The simple fact of the matter here is that right now, I'm in a position where the most likely outcome is one overall favorable to my agenda. I am almost positive the day will not end in a manner I am intensely displeased with. I only have a 50% chance of getting the day ending in a manner that I am intensely pleased with, but even if I cannot get that, then the other 50% is that I will get an end to the day I am at least okay with.

This is a game where there is low GAME risk (though high reputation risk I'll admit), and high reward.

And the only thing you can do is make a simple choice:
Accuse this of being scum bullshit, or accept I believe what I am saying. (Not that that excludes it from being bullshit. At a getogether, someone I know gave a quote which I felt IMMENSELY appropriate to my personality: "I took a calculated risk...but I'm really bad at math." )

Okay, this was the stupidest thing I've ever read. Mastina is town.

Unvote

[GreyICE]

My wife insists SS is town. Mastina is starting to feel crazy enough to be town.

Or at least something.

Ugh.

I can't shake the feeling she's scum trying to push all the right buttons for me.

[GreyICE]

I mean she threatened to nuke LLD. Is there any advantage to coasting through day 1? This is starting to feel like LLD's SEKRETS
Why didn't I lynch LLD for SEKRETS?
I don't know.
Why didn't I just turn and say "oh yes I should have done that."
This feels like the exact point in the game where I look back and say "oh yes I should have done that there"

No fuck it I'm doing it. Everything from her initial beef with Mastin to this calculated defense to... ugh.

OKAY I MAY BE CRAZY
BUT IT JUST MIGHT BE A LUNATIC YOU'RE LOOKING FOR

Vote: LLD

[GreyICE]

are you tring people for being stupid now

Yes. It's one of my strongest towntells. Simple stupidity might be scum, but when something defies all sense, logic, and reason, when a person posts something so unbelievably stupid that it the space-time continuum has a small hiccup as it stops in awe... that's a town tell. Scum have a hard time fabricating the screaming idiocy that a long bath of paranoia, self-doubt and insane questioning can lead to. When someone posts something so demented and lacking in reason and sense that it looks like it was written by a third grader on a six week crack binge, that's town alright.

Now did Mastin rise to the level of sheer stupidity that's needed? No. Because Mastin's explanation is INSANE. Insane can be scum.

Ex: A player claimed mafia midway through day 2 when he was being wagoned. Ostensibly to get reads. So stupid that time and space implode. Town.

[GreyICE]

Tell me, Keith.

What's my angle? What am I shooting for? Read me, baby. Come on, tell me what my endgame is for tormenting Mastin. Tell me what my endgame is for wanting to lynch her.

Tell me MY MOTIVATION.

I'll wait.

What's ever been your motivation for aggressively 1v1ing a player day 1 as scum?

Because people leave the pricker bush alone, you only have to prick one person, and of course you're not scared of Mastin's nukes when you can A) shoot down nukes with your own ABM thingy, and B) can always just blow her to kingdom come at night and C) mislynch her and go "oops my b"

[GreyICE]

...

Why not just explain the town motivation to the SEKRETS crap then?

[GreyICE]

Like I mean if you have all night then maybe...

Oh ffs this is LITERALLY mystery powers that don't make sense.

This is not stuff I let slide.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[GreyICE]

...........................................................................................................

This is just some scum ass mindgame crap.

[GreyICE]

If you and Mastina are both town I'm honestly pulling a mastin and leaving mafia. But without the mastin2 crap. I'm getting played hardcore.

I can absolutely feel this in my bones. Too much of this shit in the last few pages has been laser tailored to me. And I don't friggin mean I'm the center of the universe , I'm talking my friggin wife and a player I've played with a LOT who are pushing all my buttons in the right way and it's really starting to be a bit too on the nose.

[GreyICE]

...........................................................................................................

This is just some scum ass mindgame crap.

I don't play mindgames, I straight shoot.

You know that.

You pride yourself on living in people's head as scum.

[GreyICE]

MOI I SUMMON YOU

PLEASE PUT AWAY THE TURKEY ON MONDAY AND MAKE THIS THING MAKE SENSE

[GreyICE]

Unvote

I wait for sense to come.

And sleep. Sleep is good.

[GreyICE]

Grey come back to the murder side we have delicious snacks and more sanity

What side is murder side

Okay fine I dunno.

Vote: Mastina

I need MOI man, I need my anchor of town. I can't trust any of you, I need the IC.

[GreyICE]

PFT

SUCKS TO BE YOU

[GreyICE]

SK is a meaniebutt. Discuss.

No tell me who you investigated and what happened.

[GreyICE]

Huh. So raises the small chance one of the scumkills was roleblocked.

[GreyICE]

SK is a meaniebutt. Discuss.

Why SK?

[GreyICE]

I'm kind of upset that mastina might be scum if SAD is scum.

Lets put aside our differences. I can be a retard who accidentally made a bad case on scum. I don't mind. I don't care why you vote, I care who you vote.

[GreyICE]

I think GI's mastin push towards the end of the Day was pretty shit

Really? I think it was pretty swell. I think the UT wagon was shit.

[GreyICE]

I get the sense as I depart my computer that mastin's sudden flurry of activity is more or less motivated to derail the righteous SAD lynch.

You know I think you were on SS yesterday. And you're 100% town here. And I'd be proud to say I'm sheeping you.

That's not why I'm voting SAD though.

Listen if Reck is willing to put his friendship on the line and risk mislynching a friend that he enjoys mafia with I'm p sure that there's a very good chance he's right.

This, coupled with the fact UT only started doing something when he received heat, makes him good lynch

I can't remember seeing the buck passed harder on a lynch then it was with this post. Even Reckoner thought this was bizarre.

[GreyICE]

Ah yes and the important part.

VOTE: SAD

[GreyICE]

Firebringer would be that cheeky. Still not searching for lobster in a fish barrel.

HEY SCUM SUCK MY COCK

[GreyICE]

Nahdia

He posted them

Wazzup

[GreyICE]

HEY MASTINA I TRUMPED YOUR SHITTY PLAN WITH MY EXCELLENT PLAN

WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT WAS?

[GreyICE]

This is the most Mastina thing possible actually, so I wouldn't nuke her in any case.

[GreyICE]

It's really risky to let a scum read go because of the role they chose except for maybe cop?

It's perfectly plausible that Vax is scum with that role and his buddies are making nonsense posts so his claim separates him from being scum

I think the claim should be treated as null

I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT VAX

[GreyICE]

Btw Nahdia I care about your reads

You're one of my blank slates and I'd definitely like some more elaboration when you get the chance so I can get something more conrete

NADHIA IS TOWN LIKE I SAID

SPIFFEH SCUM HAS NEVER SAID THAT TO A BUDDY IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA

[GreyICE]

Ircher is probably town after all

THIS GUY HAS A HIGH CHANCE OF FLIPPING SCUM

[GreyICE]

omg someone nuke EP's brains out please

OH MY OH MY

Vote: Errant Parabola

[GreyICE]

We can add the lolhammer to McMenno's transgressions this game... Anyone wish to join the McMenno wagon/nuke him?

Pedit: GreyIce, the caps are obnoxious; use your inside-voice.

CAN WE HAVE A POLICY NUKE ON ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE CAPS?

[GreyICE]

POLICY NUKE

PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE CAPS LOCK

IT'S CRUISE CONTROL FOR THE LAUNCH CODES

[GreyICE]

mastina, if you scumread me so much AND feel that a nuke would be wasted on me, why ARENT you voting me?

YES YES FEEL THE CAPS FLOW THROUGH YOU

[GreyICE]

Errantparabola Nov 14, 02:58pm Nov 26, 01:43pm 6 days 3 hours 23

So I want to discuss some perspective. Last time Errant Parabola posted, Something_Smart was alive.

Here's him posting:

November 28th:

I did some reading, and yeah, looks like Shaman is the new "class that got really hot after high school"
They really like beefing up the worst classes so that they become the best huh?
First paladin, then shaman. Things are looking up for priest

November 29th:

if only mtd were the site admin

November 30th:

can i have a beehive wig with wild west wear

December 1st:

just gonna assume that zito drew that

December 2nd:

bjork

CAN I PLEASE GET A LYNCH WAGON KTHX

OR AT LEAST SOME SERIOUS NUCLEAR RAIN

[GreyICE]

OH OOPS WRONG QUOTE ON LAST ONE:

saw the title
thought of borkmarks
clicked on thread
saw keely's post
dammit keely

Yeah, so that's solid posting all over MS (and none of those are mafia threads mind you, as that would be discussing ongoing games). Just... not here. I would like him to die, please.

[GreyICE]

p-edit i can be down with an ep murder at some point

I mean it's not the worst lynch in the world.
Errant's no townread.
In fact, Errant's south of null.

Unfortunately I don't think the things GreyICE has pointed out are alignment indicative even though they probably should be.

I'd just assume someone nuke Errant to save us the lynch.

Ircher is someone we almost assuredly can't nuke, whereas Errant we probably can.

They're extremely alignment indicative. If people want to nuke him to death though I won't complain.

[GreyICE]

Covert Ops Team: (*NEW*) In order to carry out a successful nuclear strike, it is crucial to ensure the missile will not be deflected and the enemy left unscathed and free to retaliate. Special infiltration teams are secretly positioned in every enemy nation, read to make sure this happens when the brass gives the word. {Each night, you may target a player. If target player is currently deploying a missile silo, you sabotage it.

Until the next night phase, if the missile silo uses either function, the missile will launch but not detonate

. For nuclear launch mode, the ICBM will not detonate and the target will not die. For Anti-ballistic missile mode, the missile will launch but will not intercept its target.}

Just dropping this here to point out something else Mastin is wrong about - we don't know if he was sabotaged until after the nuke lands. Maybe next time do a bit more thinking about your grand plans ...

--

MOD - I'll be V/LA as usual for the weekend

.

Spiffeh's flip and what happens with Nukebringer and PapaZito will help me when I go through my analysis of the Day 1 wagons after I get back.

Please vote EP with me?

I could be confirmed town if I want to, you should trust me

[GreyICE]

Why would anyone be rolefishing given how the game is going so far? We literally have as many dead scum players as town players, roles are NOT required at the moment.

[GreyICE]

Yes, EP. The case is specifically that you have done nothing,

while being active on site

and also SS.

I'm fine shaking the UT wagon until the scum fall out.

[GreyICE]

I think Spiffeh hard bussed SS for town cred, and I also think he recognized that hard bussing everyone is a bad idea (for reasons that are very obvious right now).

[GreyICE]

FOR TOTAL WAR [17] - SpyreX, MagnaofIllusion, Untrod Tripod, Nukebringer, McMenno, Papa Zito, Spiffeh, GuyInFreezer, Errantparabola, Nahdia, Fate, mastina, hiplop, Accountant, Ser Arthur Dayne, Something_Smart, GreyICE
AGAINST TOTAL WAR [4] - xRECKONERx, Ircher, Cephrir, RedCoyote
Not Voting [3] - Lady Lambdadelta, Toogeloo, Cheetory6

^By the way, I still hold we had at least one scum vote against total war.

The reason I don't think it's Reckoner is because it took guts to do that: denying the game total war painted a target on his back.
While Reck's certainly a bold enough scum player where he could get away with that (and people would indeed pay him little heed for it), it still struck me as something that was more likely to come from town than from scum.

Now Ircher and RedCoyote, on the other hand......
(Cephrir's exempt because he's town.)

Once one player voted against total war isn't it entirely irrelevant?

[GreyICE]

Like as I understand it as long as one player at all said no there was no total war.

So everything after Reck's vote was posturing.

[GreyICE]

Why vote for total war when it's irrelevant?

Why do anything in that phase of the game, the entire phase of the game was irrelevant

[GreyICE]

Honestly, I kind of want to vote Ircher, because self voting is an "my best defense is I might as well die"

Even if this is a setup where you might as well give up if everyone wants you to die because sometime soon the nukes will come.

[GreyICE]

Why vote for total war when it's irrelevant?
Why do anything in that phase of the game, the entire phase of the game was irrelevant

And yet, there was plenty of game content from then.

RedCoyote chose to cast a pointless vote.

He did it AFTER having delayed on the issue--delayed a

lot

.

Look at his content at the beginning of the game.

That phase of the game was anything but irrelevant.

Okay.

Well I'm still not reading a bunch of pointless posturing. What fucking reason does scum have to delay the game start anyway?

[GreyICE]

Like kelly for SK

So Cheet confirmed no Russian?

That would make Robert SS and that makes no sense.

[GreyICE]

If they started at 24 that's ErrantParabola/McMenno

[GreyICE]

Huuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh what if mining means bussing

[GreyICE]

Or we're getting trolled.

[GreyICE]

I feel that greyice is non-Russian if we're talking Spiffeh interactions.
greyice you are calling me out on defending that SS opening post considering that he also said it wasn't scummy end of D1.
cephrir is a firm townread based on what little i know-- a dedicated dive might change that, but i don't expect it to. i dont think mastina is scum.

A SAD lynch is unexpected to me-- i dont find people saying that SAD follows from SS scum on D1. Remember that keely threw out Nukebringer as a name following from SS scum but i don't remember anything else (also, I believe that keely's stance on nukebringer has been inconsistent in a way that i don't think has a good justification). Keely D2- says SS -> SAD is bad, something which doesn't swing things either way but I think it was unmentioned D1.

I don't think that Keely is scum as of now but there is no way he deserves the powertown belief that so many people seem to hold.

Magna's push on SAD is very town in a vacuum (not factoring in how magna usually behaves because i dont know that very well) to me from how i see it. he comes out of the gate guns blazing, he's excited, he's got something good and is ready to push this.

Looking at how Spiffeh stayed far away from the SAD wagon: I think that scum as a whole is content to let a mislynch happen (and I think that the people pushing the lynch are town). I see Cephrir talking about RC looking good bc of SS as reasonable, but I don't agree at all.

GI, talk to me-- D3 to come later

I will discuss your thoughts with you, and right now they're... well lets bullet point this:

- I'm town (thanks captain obvious)
- Cephrir is town (okay...)
- Mastina is scum (why?)
- Keely isn't strong town (keely?)
- Magna is town (okay)

and...

- I see Cephrir talking about RC looking good bc of SS as reasonable, but I don't agree at all.

Uh okay, so its reasonable but you don't agree? 'kay

See, I'm having flashbacks here:

because I just got back from being home for Thanksgiving.

is there anything you want to ask me about?

[GreyICE]

- Keely isn't strong town (keely?)

That's me.
Hi.

I'm pretty annoyed at EP repeatedly preaching how I should be a townlean instead of a townread, but I don't really understand why he's a leading wagon beyond just him not being all that involved this game?

Pssst: He's scum

[GreyICE]

Like frankly Cheetory, we're at what? Like 16:3:1? We started at 18:5:1? A normal game would be balanced at 9:3:1. We have 2 dead townies and 2 dead scum.

Now is not the time where we "have to hit scum". Now is the time to purge as many people who are lurking, have been deliberately avoiding the thread, and are otherwise completely nonentities. Are some of them going to be town? Yes. Are some of them going to be scum? Hell yes. And maybe we hit the SK to boot. If you want to be town, now's the time to stand up and be counted, because I have a lot of strong town reads and there's a lot of people who need to die.

So what's the case on EP? He soft defended SS, he has deliberately power lurked all game, he's done nothing to be deserving of a town read. He dies by nuke, he dies by lynch, I just don't care which.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: hiplop

And my vote for worst vote in the thread goes to

[GreyICE]

VLA until Reck dies

[GreyICE]

VLA until the end of the game

[GreyICE]

Ut u so troll

Why wont anyone help me find the scums from those wagongs god

Fucking useless asshole spammers killing my will to live.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, you fired the Nuke.

I blame Ircher for stopping Reck from dying.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Mastina

I don't care any more one of you and Reck needs to die for my sanity. Or both really, both is fine.

[GreyICE]

VLA until the end of the game

GreyICE at the time the serial killer's submarine nuke was launched, both Firebringer and Reck had nukes heading their way.

That means you're going to be killed by the serial killer in 17 hours.

I mean.
If you choose not to give any content in that time.

Your prerogative.

But you're a walking deadman right now, so.

If you have any interest of giving last thoughts.
Now's the time to give them.
You won't have a chance later.

Okay um.

Kill McMenno. SK please kill Reck for me kthxbai. Or scum, don't care.

Honestly I want to see the nuke outcomes. I really think some of the people being nuked are scum (EP for instance)

[GreyICE]

Honestly when I saw the night results I figured I was a dead man walking. I gave my best case on the person I think most likely to flip scum. He's getting nuked.

I can't help you with SK hunting, I have no idea how to do it. Just lynch people and hope you get lucky I guess?

[GreyICE]

Honestly I've thought Ircher was town on and off for a while. I still think his two man wagon had at least one scum on it, that feels like McMenno. The UT wagon had a lot of scum on it, no question. It was a cheap wagon they could pin on Reck. I might hate his guts, but he's probably town here. He's completely intolerable so that's a good sign of town reck. Nuke him anyway, he's worth killing.

Anything else? Hmmm. LLD still feels a bit scum to me. Got little else.

[GreyICE]

Welp.

Vote: McMenno

Might as well go out with my vote on scum.

[GreyICE]

I mean you haven't listened to any words I toss at you so far so.

[GreyICE]

Like I honestly am but everytime I say anything to you you disagree with me.

[GreyICE]

Well I'm probably dead by then but sure.

Lynch Menno first plox.

[GreyICE]

nothing is really scummy about mcmemester

Then who is scum exactly? I think Cheetory is town, I think Mastin and Reck are town, I think LLD is town, I think SpyreX is town. Vax felt like town based on Spiffeh's interaction, although it's a bit marginal still. MoI is town. I think GIF's counterclaim makes him likely town, that makes Hiplop at least not-Russian. That's 9 town. Zito is likely town from the sub, although he could be scum earning points. Nahdia is town.

You and me are probably dying.

So that leaves what, Accountant, Cephrir, McMenno, Ircher? I still think Accountant is pretty town. Hiplop could be SK I suppose, he's done jack shit. Nuking Cephrir sadly is probably not the worst.

[GreyICE]

I think LLD is town

Weren't you just saying that LLD is scum? q.q

Yes I said that.

It's possible she's scum who took the bunker to avoid nukes because she figures she can dodge the lynch. That's possible. I mean dodging the lynch is only a matter of not being the slowest, while dodging the nukes is a matter of not pissing anyone off, and the odds LLD can play a game of mafia without pissing anyone off are about zero.

Huh... that's actually some solid logic...

I dunno though. I think she's town.

[GreyICE]

nothing is really scummy about mcmemester

Then who is scum exactly? I think Cheetory is town, I think Mastin and Reck are town, I think LLD is town, I think SpyreX is town. Vax felt like town based on Spiffeh's interaction, although it's a bit marginal still. MoI is town. I think GIF's counterclaim makes him likely town, that makes Hiplop at least not-Russian. That's 9 town. Zito is likely town from the sub, although he could be scum earning points. Nahdia is town.

You and me are probably dying.

So that leaves what, Accountant, Cephrir, McMenno, Ircher? I still think Accountant is pretty town. Hiplop could be SK I suppose, he's done jack shit. Nuking Cephrir sadly is probably not the worst.

I think MoI kind of scummy though equinox disagreed with me.
Nahdia is a also one for me.
sPyrex too.

those are my main scum.

I maintain from PYP that people are super eager to take the scum roles out of play as town, while scum don't want them. That and Nadhia feels generally town. Seriously though, I don't think she takes it as scum.

MoI... I think he could do what he's done as scum. I dunno. Not the worst nuke I guess.

Think you're underselling Cephrir scum. He's been significantly non-entity in a bad way, and he's not a bad player at all.

[GreyICE]

Also, GI, same question but with LLD.

No. I self-admittedly have problems reading her. That doesn't stop me from trying.

I think she'd be trying harder to control things as scum. Pushing people to nuke people and what have you.

[GreyICE]

nothing is really scummy about mcmemester

Zito...

*sigh*

Zito...

/facepalm

[GreyICE]

"Guys have you seen how little the cop inno posted?"

It makes me think you're like blatantly not following the game.

Which given the fucking bullshit our resident fuckfaces inflicted on us, not that surprising, but like... I haven't read most of the idiocy pages and I still knew that.

[GreyICE]

WTF?

Well this confirms Mastina non-SK I believe, since Covert Ops team should sabotage all abilities from my reading.
Also I guess Ircher is flipping town. WHICH IS STILL NOT A FUCKING SURPRISE:

McMenno and ErrantParabola are still voting for Ircher. Would be willing to bet I could get minimum one scum flip by nuking both.

Still willing to bet this could happen. Bet a fair chunk of change.
On the other hand McMenno seems to be getting more energy as more scum flip, which is the opposite of what I'd expect.

Unvote

Hmmmmmm...

[GreyICE]

Eh... fallout shelter does feel SKish. We have time for some luxury lynches. I could dig.

[GreyICE]

Oh okay.

I thought it was like the aircraft carrier. Huh, let me check timings.

[GreyICE]

[NORAD SYSTEM] ALERT. ALERT. NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Attempting to locate launch site...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile unable to be tracked...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Analyzing flight trajectory…
[NORAD SYSTEM]

ERROR: MULTIPLE TARGETS DETECTED: GreyICE, hiplop, Untrod Tripod, Papa Zito, Nukebringer

[NORAD SYSTEM] Estimating time until impact...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Warhead will detonate in (expired on 2016-12-05 12:44:46)

Ive already saved zito gosh

No that was ages before SpySpy said he saved Zito. Unless Mastina has like disgusting insane mindreading powers I don't think she nukes someone she already nuked.

[GreyICE]

Hmmm. If I'm wrong, this'll end in domestic violence, probably me being hit repeatedly with a pillow.

Vote: LLD

[GreyICE]

I believe reck confirmed LLD to be not SK?
I think after tonight I should look for SK now, since 3 scums dead lol

I didn't read any of his posts after he started being a spamshit, what did he claim to do?

[GreyICE]

Oh. Yep, that's a really good sign that she's not the SK.

Unvote

Why would we be voting her again?

[GreyICE]

I'm really really sad to say that I'm starting to agree with Cheetory.

[GreyICE]

lmao lld could be scum tho

Yah no kidding she could be.

But I'd rather have GIF check her. And with three scum dead anyone who we know isn't SK that we lynch is only 2/3rds as likely to flip scum. SK is relevant now.

Like you'll notice I'm not arguing to lynch Mastina, because I think it's really likely she's not SK. Could still be group scum, but I'd rather lynch someone like MoI or Cephrir.

[GreyICE]

Actually... that's a really good point on the McMenno nuke+Recall. Turbo distancing...

Vote: McMenno

[GreyICE]

Let me tell you how this goes

We clear LLD beyond a shadow of a doubt by using a fuck load of resources

We nuke Nahdia

LLD is night killed

We blow raspberries and talk about how stupid we were

I say I told you so

Okay and... what?

There are 16 players alive, and THREE of them are scum. And there's a possibility of crosskills still. If we blow a shitton of resources and the scum nightkill LLD... so? We want to lynch scum. LLD already has 2/3rds the chance of a random player of flipping scum.

Like man I don't know what your scumgame looks like but I'm starting to think "like this"

[GreyICE]

Well I guess Ircher isn't going to flip scum so maybe 15. Still. That's a ridiculous ratio.

[GreyICE]

Huh? I'm suggesting we not do any of that grey

I'm saying we can afford to do all of that because if the scum have to NK LLD they're not NKing someone with a better role. Plus they could double kill or whatever.

Everyone we don't have to lynch/nuke is super positive because we have such a huge advantage.

[GreyICE]

okay yeah, points to Nahdia

[GreyICE]

Point stands though MOI:


Radar: The night may be dark, but your radar screen is neon green. And it’s hard to miss stuff flashing in neon green. {Each night, you may target a player. I will reveal to you any players that player targets. Note: The Stealth Bomber and terrorist attack are factional abilities and cannot be detected.}

[GreyICE]

Not like you to miss that...

Vote: MOI

I am not getting the warm townie vibes I usually get off you man.

[GreyICE]

Like day 1, sure. Day 2, sure. Day 3... man you have been disconnected at a time where the town is WAY ahead.

[GreyICE]

Goddamn it Mastina if you're going to join a wagon with me don't scare people off at the same time.

[GreyICE]

Okay, so lets go over things.

First, I really think Cephrir is flipping town. I've seen this exact logic from town before. Although I really don't think that Cephrir's doc shot stopped the kill N2, because Nukebringer could have just nuked GIF (the doctor only protects the FIRST kill). I don't think Vax is, and his last minute attempt to hunt down the SK is a beautiful testament to how good that tell is (statement subject to change if he flips town but really). SpyreX wouldn't sabotage Mastin to protect LLD from nukes for OBVIOUS reasons, and whoever suggested that is bad and should feel bad.

LLD is starting to try and shape endgame after being a much more minimal presence the past two days. And that's a shame. She knows better than her silly logic, don't she? Still, I'm with Magna.

Want to see how this flips out, but probably voting LLD.

[GreyICE]

Like honestly, with the blocked kill, Nukebringer could have nuked GIF with literally zero suspicion on Cephrir. Instead they did it in the most suspicious way possible. If they didn't immediately shoot GIF off the bat for being a cop even though they controlled the doctor, they would have had to be very conscious of how scummy that looked for the doctor. With a 100% guaranteed kill on GIF that would shed no suspicion on Cephrir (look, they must have double killed!) Nukebringer instead shot Ircher?

Doesn't that practically make Cephrir confirmed town?

[GreyICE]

Instead, isn't it far more likely that the scum shot the person in {Me, MOI} that had the airbase? Then Nukebringer shoots Ircher, Cephrir thinks "look at this amazing job I did I'll WIFOM the scum" and scum bank shot GIF because things were looking pretty bad for them.

[GreyICE]

I mean not that what Cephrir did wasn't stupid mind you. But one brain fart does not make him scum.

Supa fine with the other two nukes mind you. Like soooooo fine you have no idea

[GreyICE]

(am aware this is stupidly scummy if Cephrir is the one Russian and the other two are town, but I'll live with the egg on my face in the postgame)

[GreyICE]

Would LLD really submit the NK for the scum? She doesn't like to do that. Like seriously I've been on scumteams with her and I know she hates doing that.

And yes, she'd totally bank shot that GIF wasn't getting doctor protected. Seriously. She does things like that all the time.

P.S. Looking at the role distribution... yeah, the commies still have a nuke. The commies were nuke loving bastards.

[GreyICE]

I mean it could be Mastina who gambled, she loves gambling too because when she wins it shows off how well she outthought people.

But I'll know in a day or so yay or nay, so that's fine by me.

[GreyICE]

The fact remains 100% though:

1) If the scum shot GIF and were blocked, then Nukebringer shoots GIF with his dying nuke
2) If Cephrir is scum then Nukebringer shoots GIF 100% and uses that to clear Cephrir

The only scenario I see Cephrir scum here is if he is the scum doctor, decided to target GIF to play around radar, AND the scum night kill was intercepted some other way (either Reck or Airbase).

[GreyICE]

...

UT, have you played mafia before?

[GreyICE]

Stealth Bomber: Starting at DEFCON 2, you may deploy your Stealth Bomber once per Night Phase to kill a target player. This is a factional ability.

I'm thought factional meant that it didn't come from a specific player?

Wait, really?

Andrius, does a specific scum player submit the kill?

[GreyICE]

Matina this nuke is going to fall on town. You should know it.

[GreyICE]

Well I'm not scum, so...

[GreyICE]

Gotta get back to work.

Vax, MoI, SpyreX, hiplop.

I want all of them dead. Everyone else is fine by me.

Also a reminder that Nahdia CANNOT make it to endgame with logic like this.

Because the only way that this ends the game for Town is if the scum team is Vax and Spyrex and hiplop is the Terrorist. Which would require Spyrex-Commie to have anticipated mastin's "master" gambit and thought mastin might Nuke a partner. Given that mastin has not scum-read a single scum so far that seems like a longshot.

But she's town... seriously. I'd bet actual cash on it.

[GreyICE]

Huh, I need to look at Cheetory again.

[GreyICE]

No, it doesn't make sense. But I want to be lynching/nuking scum here, not town, because I still think we can skip out on endgame entirely.

[GreyICE]

Okay so only thing that could have possibly blocked the kill is the doctor protect or the airbase. That's nice to know.

Nahdia, do you think the doctor protect by Cephrir blocked the kill, given Firebringer's nuke target?

[GreyICE]

Cool, if we could save the stage where my town reads vote each other for day 1 that'd be fucking awesome kthxbai

Mastina, please ground the missile

[GreyICE]

So I agree here that peggy is a scum player, and does indeed have a role. That limits the pool down to GI/MoI/Cephrir/SpyreX/Nahdia/LLD. From there, I can say I sincerely doubt Peggy means Nahdia.

Just want to point the obvious for people who don't read mastin's posts - this is so wrong it hurts. None of LLD, myself or GI have a role that can target. That much is abundantly clear even if you don't know which of the missing Roles with myself or GI has.

Yet Mastin is trying to include the three of us as possibilities.

Which is why even if Town mastin's nuke by UT is completely Pro-Town

No that's not the nuke I'm trying to get recalled.

[GreyICE]

THANK FUCK

[GreyICE]

Gotta get back to work.

Vax, MoI, SpyreX, hiplop.

I want all of them dead. Everyone else is fine by me.

Also a reminder that Nahdia CANNOT make it to endgame with logic like this.

Because the only way that this ends the game for Town is if the scum team is Vax and Spyrex and hiplop is the Terrorist. Which would require Spyrex-Commie to have anticipated mastin's "master" gambit and thought mastin might Nuke a partner. Given that mastin has not scum-read a single scum so far that seems like a longshot.

So you think that MoI, with the aircraft carrier, should have asked for a cop investigate?

Walk me through that one Mastina.

[GreyICE]

OH FFS random quote bug:

So you think that MoI, with the aircraft carrier, should have asked for a cop investigate?

Walk me through that one Mastina.

[GreyICE]

I'm still not sold on Vax town. Number 2 I'd put as LLD.

Not sold on you being town either Mastina, recall or no recall.

[GreyICE]

Thank you. Giant stupid walls i was missing it.

I need to sit down with an actual computer.

Not only reason.

Nukebringer did not nuke GIF. If Cephrir is scum doctor than hitting the BP N3 means that Nukebringer would be keenly aware he could nuke GIF and give Cephrir an amazing out to the issue of being the scum doctor while needing to kill the cop. "Oh gee, well I stopped the first, but second nuke went through, too bad amright? Nothing you can do about that."

See therein lies the issue. Nukebringer didn't shoot GIF, so they figured he was still protected.

Battleship: Mobile, hidden in the wide open sea away from population centers, capable of withstanding even the most directed air strikes, and armed with an array of incredibly powerful weapons, a battleship is one of the safest places on the planet. {Each night, you may target a player. Until the next night phase,

the first time

that player would be eliminated, they survive instead. You cannot target yourself.}

[GreyICE]

Hmm well i guess my total distaste in cep today is unwarranted.

God and that means mastin town probably too

This I am much less certain of.

[GreyICE]

Hi I'm town and I'm fairly certain Nahdia is town. I mean sure until we see the flip we can't 100% trust the... what, the mafia-clear on Hiplop? I just don't see scum bidding on a role that means they'll get POE nuked then begging to be POE nuked. I mean if the scum took it I'd imagine they'd stick it on a weak member and have them hide the claim as long as possible, not go "I have the godfather creator" right at the start of the first day.

[GreyICE]

It occur to anyone else that LLD is trying to tell the serial killer which one of me and MOI have the airbase to try and get that person killed? Because the scum already knows this.

[GreyICE]

And mastina, trust me, I know her a lot better than you. Not only is this rage alignment non-indicative, it's far more likely to come from her as scum.

[GreyICE]

You haven't answered the question.

If you knew you were being nuked, why didn't you tell people?

Oh my god you are so incredibly full of shit.

We're lynching you today you fucking scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Vote: LLD

[GreyICE]

You haven't answered the question.

If you knew you were being nuked, why didn't you tell people?

Fine you dumb fuck. I have the airbase. Are you fucking happy?

Now can we lynch this stupid scumfuck?

[GreyICE]

OH YES I FUCKING FAKECLAIMED RIGHT THERE

I FUCKING FAKECLAIMED RIGHT THERE SURE

I TOTALLY FUCKING COUNTERCLAIMED MOI WHILE HE'S STILL ALIVE FOR NO APPARENT REASON