DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Something_Smart]

oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )

[Something_Smart]

Three smileys and a declaration of town
Dont know if i can trust you with a nuke there boy

And yea 1 kill vs infinite vigs

ok well this speaks my language

VOTE: all the wars or w/e


oh and welcome to defcon 3.0 everyone!

welcome to defcon 3.0 2.0

[Something_Smart]

Three smileys and a declaration of town
Dont know if i can trust you with a nuke there boy

yeahhhhhhhh that's gettin nuked maybe even before the hydra

Woah. Woah.

look at the smileys again

I'm sorry I'm just 3friendly5you.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: For

Something_Smart.
Can you give some thoughts on the setup or some reads?

good question

re: the setup, I'll think about that when it's not 2 am.

re: reads, initial feelings say:
towny: Cheetory, mastina, UT, MoI, Spiffeh
scummy: Nukebringer, GiF, Cephrir
conflicting feelings: RC, LLD, Nahdia
discussion tabled for now- Reck

TOWN
mastina
cheetory
Something-Smart
hiplop
Cephrir

SCUM
SpyreX
Untrod Tripod

k that's all ive got for now

no clue what to think about LLD atm. inclined to believe mastin's read but idk. the whole GIMME THIS USELESS THING SO I CAN BE A CODEBREAKER AND REAL TOWN HELPER seems forced and actor like and ugh.

p.edit: i have no idea what you're talking about

how are you townreading me already?

[Something_Smart]

you are nowhere yet

of all the responses to 26 I liked GiF's (78) the least and 207 and 213 sound a little forced.

[Something_Smart]

every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way

[Something_Smart]

every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way

>being flippant to dodge the point I made

what's your point? obviously it wasn't intended to produce reactions. that doesn't mean I can't look at the reactions it did produce.

pedit: because it mattered before, but it doesn't matter now

[Something_Smart]

I hadn't decided yet. I don't think it matters too much, given that the majority of kills are probably going to happen via nukes anyway.

[Something_Smart]

imo forced is basically a word that means gut but sounds more substantial even though its not

it's not wrong just unhelpful

I mean, at the time of that post all those reads were essentially gut.

More words on Ceph/Nukebringer reads please.
Also, was your opening a literal reaction test or not? Were you like "har har I'm gonna get these scums with this" or were you like "oh people reacted to my opening I'm gonna analyze that I guess"?

Ceph just pinged me with the way he talked about the setup spec and then said a bunch of not-game-related stuff, it kinda felt like he was trying to hide behind those things and not interact. I also didn't like his "How could anyone fail to catch that?" in 137 because it's egging on the people who are pushing me for it while not explicitly getting involved in it himself.
With Nukebringer, I hate to use the word "forced" again, but at least in this case it means a little more than pure gut, because it feels like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town self and failing.

discussion tabled for now- Reck

i feel likje this is my life in every mafia game i play gfd

I'm sorry lol I just wanted to know why you think that scum couldn't make 26. Clearly most people disagree with you.

And Something Smart is probably the first to eat rope. 405 has all the hallmarks of scum posting – pointless “For” vote that means nothing, refusing to commit to a read on Reck who called him solid Town for bad reasons, and a list of “scummy” people which makes no sense. Also fence-sitting on three players which I think I probably where his Communist partner are. Also 407 is laughable as reasons to scum read GIF (OMGUS and the ever dreaded “forced” which is the New Hotness Buzzword for the Commies).

Okay I've acquired a read that isn't gut!

405 has all the hallmarks of scum posting – pointless “For” vote that means nothing

(Oh lol and you even quoted the mod line saying that voting for/against serves as your confirmation.)

refusing to commit to a read on Reck who called him solid Town for bad reasons

This is a scum action... why? "Discussion tabled" means I am going to discuss him later.

a list of “scummy” people which makes no sense.

ok now he's scumreading me because my pregame reads are not up to par with his standards

Also fence-sitting on three players which I think I probably where his Communist partner are.

Way to beg the question. The simpler explanation for those reads is that I was genuinely conflicted, and you're assuming that I'm scum in trying to prove that I'm scum.

Also 407 is laughable as reasons to scum read GIF (OMGUS and the ever dreaded “forced” which is the New Hotness Buzzword for the Commies).

And more attacking me because my reads aren't as good as his.

[Something_Smart]

some of those points are basically just you repeating what moi said only with sarcasm.

because they're obviously bullshit

[Something_Smart]

So I've highlighted the part which shows that people no longer need to vote simply show up to move to Defcon 4. Which shows that SS's "For" vote was pointless since he had already posted.

So Something Smart - are you not reading fully?

Okay. Point taken.

That doesn't make your argument make any more sense; the vote is indicative of nothing more than that I read the rules and didn't see that the rules had changed.

[Something_Smart]

@SS, still want words on your opening please.

Derp sorry

Answer to your question is the latter (it wasn't intended as a reaction test per se) but I was curious as to how people would respond to it.

and also RC/GiF are you suggesting that low hanging fruit = scum? because it sounds like you're saying I'm scum for the same reasons you're saying I'm low hanging fruit while calling being low hanging fruit not indicative of alignment. (That made more sense in my head.)

[Something_Smart]

If you keep calling me that I'm gonna start calling you Sir Arthur Danish

I hope you're cool with that

[Something_Smart]

@SS, still want words on your opening please.

Derp sorry

Answer to your question is the latter (it wasn't intended as a reaction test per se) but I was curious as to how people would respond to it.

and also RC/GiF are you suggesting that low hanging fruit = scum? because it sounds like you're saying I'm scum for the same reasons you're saying I'm low hanging fruit while calling being low hanging fruit not indicative of alignment. (That made more sense in my head.)

Is that how logic work these days?

I'm asking you.

[Something_Smart]

Being a low hanging fruit doesn't equate to being town.
It can be from both alignments.

so what are the reasons that you think I'm low hanging fruit?
and what are the reasons that you think I'm scum?

[Something_Smart]

I mean, this whole thing matches up nicely.

He screws up with #26, people gives him flak, he tries to pass that off as reaction test.
Fails, so he backtracks.

Like, it matches up wayyyyyy to nicely to be considered as just a possibility. The timing and everything.

This is bull. If I wanted to pass it off as a reaction test, I'd be calling it a reaction test. Show where my apparently subtle attempt to do so "failed", and why I couldn't have just said it was if I wanted to backtrack.
And 409, while true, was not my actual answer to question. The point of 409 was to say that you can analyze reactions to any post, not just ones that are designed to generate reactions.

There's this #4 too but it's kinda personal thing.
I enjoy reaction testing a lot in the most perverted (No, not sexually perverted) way possible, but I can't seem to find the purpose of reaction testing with stuff like #26.
Like, if he was actually reaction testing with that post, what exactly was he trying to fish and what kind of reaction was he looking for while doing that?

Slayers gambit!!!!!!

GiF is straight town at this point

Hopefully there are some seasoned commies to nuke

Yeah I agree.

Goddammit this confused me so badly. Not cool.

Sure it can mean that. For certain my scum read on you isn’t “Bet the game on it” level of confidence. Fact remains the way you specifically hedge from making any sort of assessment at all struck me as suspect on initial read.

I asked him a question, and wanted to wait until he answered it. (He still hasn't fully answered it, but he kind of dropped what he was pushing anyway.)

Nope. What is off about them is, as you later clarify, are all vague “gut” reads that have nothing other than “I don’t like it” about them. Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.

Oh, I see. So it's not that my reads don't agree with yours, it's that I gave them at all, upon being asked, even though they weren't that strong. (Because I never have solid reads early day 1, and this wasn't even day 1.)

Nope. I’m pointing out that out for future analysis if you ever flip scum. Kind of absurd for you to claim I’m using that to “prove” you are scum.

Well you're at least making it look like evidence by pointing it out in the midst of an argument that I'm scum.

[Something_Smart]

Yes.

Who the hell would find that scummy?

[Something_Smart]

Something Smart it's great that you can you defend yourself and all but can you provide some reads/explain the ones you gave before?

tia

not really

ask me again later

I think the play here is to form a group of universally town read players and punish anyone that tries to nuke within that group with death

Cheet and Accountant are my most confident town reads that I'm willing to suggest for this "bloc" atm

^good idea

I also support the addition of Sir Arthur Danish and Reck.

[Something_Smart]

if that was aimed at me then I have no idea

[Something_Smart]

yah Pumba's town

why?

not really

ask me again later

You were so quick to provide reads within the first like within your first few posts of the game but you can't be bothered with it right now?

I mean I could provide some more terrible gut reads if you wanted

but I assumed you meant decent ones and I don't have enough confident ones to share yet

but seriously. ask me again later because I promise I will have some eventually.

[Something_Smart]

I love how Ircher's read on me is just "he's scum because the things he did are indicative of scum."

[Something_Smart]

Something_Smart (-89%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do.

"He's scum because he's scum."

Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum.

"And because he's scum."

His posts in pages 16-20 continue to be bad and indicative of scum. Needs rope.

"His posts are indicative of scum."

Considering the possibility that this is a weaker player, but Smart seems to be above the "Newbie-feel" and more on par with prob. my own skill in mafia.

"He might just be bad, but he's not and therefore scum."

[Something_Smart]

yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.

Zero presence of it.

You're not even going to try to defend yourself? Go ask around in the PT, I bet your buddies can come up something to try to sell to me

i don't think you realize who you are talking to?
Hi my name is firebringer and I don't care what you read on me is.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT PULVERIZING THIS PLAYER AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE

I agree. (Actually, Ircher being alive might be a valid excuse. But other than that, yeah.)

Something_Smart (-89%) - Post #26 really pinged as the scum thing to do. Yes, it's a self-meta statement, but also the fact that he justs plans to sheep whoever and not try to solve the game is even more indicative of scum. His posts in pages 16-20 continue to be bad and indicative of scum. Needs rope. Considering the possibility that this is a weaker player, but Smart seems to be above the "Newbie-feel" and more on par with prob. my own skill in mafia.

He is saying you are just going the sheep all your votes. SO it was a bit of a mis-rep from you.

That said he doesn't list anything about the rest of your activity, which is pretty good in my opinion (just read your iso)

You are both a little suspicious.

Well, I mean, that line was me saying that my reads are going to be so much worse than everyone else's. But in any event, he still didn't explain why he found anything I did scummy.

I kind of wish the thread had been locked for Defcon 4 phase.

Lol true

Ircher is town
so is MoI

bite me

[Something_Smart]

I agree. (Actually, Ircher being alive might be a valid excuse. But other than that, yeah.)

I thought you didn't have strong reads and/or couldn't explain them

Where is this coming from?

things are changing I'm forming reads

I still don't like Nukebringer and I don't feel like they'd be that useful if they were town anyway

(and besides I said I didn't have ENOUGH strong reads then. I have a few more now.)

Well, I mean, that line was me saying that my reads are going to be so much worse than everyone else's. But in any event, he still didn't explain why he found anything I did scummy.

"Hey kettle, you're black"

at least I'm not trying to make it look like I am explaining. Ircher's explanation was that much worse because it masqueraded as an explanation but was in fact absolutely nothing.

[Something_Smart]

Vax is also town.
This is also 100% gutread from his ISO in general.

^ This guy knows how to play mafia ^

[Something_Smart]

I like Cheet and Reck and Nahdia and mastin and Accountant
I kinda like Spiff but not as sure on that one
not gonna touch this LLD-Sir Arthur Danish conflict, yet anyway
Kinda don't like McMenno and MoI
Really don't like Nukebringer and Ircher and Vaxkiller

also if anyone wants I can explain stuff but please don't ask me to explain all of it because I don't have that kind of time nor patience

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: UT
let's see where this goes

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: UT
let's see where this goes

It is very concerning that this is ALL S_S has to contribute ever since he's been off the chopping block

Especially since he promised to give reads and reasoning "later".

How long do I have to wait?

I already said that people could ask me about stuff and I'd answer as long as they didn't ask me about everything.

At this stage lack of Vaxkiller votes are holding up advancement to Defcon 1 and glorious flying Nukes. Let’s get on this people.

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It is very concerning that this is ALL S_S has to contribute ever since he's been off the chopping block

Especially since he promised to give reads and reasoning "later".

How long do I have to wait?

As long as he thinks he can get away with not contributing …

More like, as long as nobody cares what I have to say. And no, pretending to care by complaining about me not contributing isn't enough.

I typically don't like tipping my hand to the scumteam as it is, in this game where I get to just fucking shoot them I'm even less inclined.

A man after my own heart.

I've been slammed lately, but I'm off work Wednesday-Sunday so I'll go back tonight and see what I've missed or skimmed. Off the top of my head though, I'm unsure why SS is getting a pass going into D1 considering that he hasn't done anything that made his first post(s) in the game less awful and his vote on my wagon was opportunistic and scummy as shit. mastina is still terrible and nukeworthy. Grey is town as fk. not a huge fan of Cheet's post right before this. Accountant is town.

vote SS

I still want this to die. I'm nuking it tomorrow, if I don't live that long someone else needs to nuke it.

nah

Yeah ok I'm comfortable with my vote.

VOTE: Faxkiller

[Something_Smart]

Yeah ok I'm comfortable with my vote.

Why.

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

S_S has been moved to the immediate nuke-age pile

why?

[Something_Smart]

Because there's no reason you shouldn't be able to actively share your thoughts on the game instead of deflecting to "well no one asked" when called out on your lack of contribution

Regardless of your alignment (which I think is scum anyway), anyone who refuses to do anything should be nuked so we can actually have a chance at PoEing

I form reads by reading what the person says and taking a lot of small things into account. But I can't take notes because it would disrupt my thoughts and I don't have a god memory, so it's a pain for me to explain reads.

I'm not going to explain 20 reads if people only care about 5 of them anyway. I don't have the time nor the patience.

By the same token, the fewer people left in the game, the more initiative I can take in explaining stuff. In other words my content level will increase as the game goes on.

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

Yeah sorry no, you don't get to be generic. Words. Why is what he said bad and what sounds forced and be specific.

It's bad because he's calling me scum. Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that. He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

Other than UT who do you think is scum and why?

Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.
Ircher because his readlists contained numerous strange reads with weak or basically nonexistent reasoning (Cheetory, SpyreX, mastina, Cephrir, Reck, and me in particular).
Nukebringer because gut. Well, more than that, it seems like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town play and not doing a very good job of it.

[Something_Smart]

He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?

but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terrible

he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't

[Something_Smart]

He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?

1. but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terrible

2. he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't

So how does 1 goes to 2?

He's obviously trying to look like he believes in what he's doing, what with asking people to nuke me if he doesn't make it.
So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread. If that assumption is incorrect then we have a different problem entirely.

Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.
Ircher because his readlists contained numerous strange reads with weak or basically nonexistent reasoning (Cheetory, SpyreX, mastina, Cephrir, Reck, and me in particular).
Nukebringer because gut. Well, more than that, it seems like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town play and not doing a very good job of it.

Where'd I go? I thought I was your first "non-gut" read.

You're a scumlean.

It's bad because he's calling me scum.
Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that.
He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

What posts from you should have changed his mind?
Why would someone who's been reading the game not be able to have you as their strongest scumread? Do you think you've done something that makes it clear that you're town?

No but several other people have done things that are overtly scummy. (And I do think some of my posts have been reasonably good, especially if you read into them as shallowly as UT read into 26.)

[Something_Smart]

So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread.

I can. Why can't he?

because he explicitly cited having read ALL my posts as the reason for that read.

To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?

I don't buy it.

[Something_Smart]

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

What is so "fake" about anything I have said?

dude there's a votecount literally at the top of the page

[Something_Smart]

That line was referring to the person who I'm currently voting.

That person is not you.

[Something_Smart]

To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?

you are literally insane

no u

[Something_Smart]

welcome to mafia

people have strong opinions

if someone replaced in and came out and said CHEETORY6 IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM WTF GUYS, for example, I'd be mildly surprised, but I would buy that someone could potentially think that

ss is just scum isn't he

discrediting of my UT read noted.

[Something_Smart]

@ss

...really? that's the best you can come up with? i argued with your logic so you're just gonna call it ~discrediting~ and move on

nice buzzword i guess??

I mean

I can't really argue with 1971. If you actually think that his read on me is legit, then I guess you can keep thinking that. But I really feel like it isn't.

And you're being hypocritical, too; you're saying I can't scumread UT for having a read that he can't back up well, while scumreading me for having a read that I can't back up well.

[Something_Smart]

I didn't like this post by Mastina:

What the hell.

I very specifically put in literally EVERY troop, in an order of most to least.
Given how many troops there were, I shoulda gotten at least ONE of them, especially since I figured...well.
Yaknow.

You'd be a bunch of nuke-happy gun-toting 'MURICANS.

Apparently not!

No Espionage. No Battleship. No Eavesdrop. No Aircraft Carrier. No Air Base. No Radar. No Dead Hand (my name for the failsafe). No Submarine. No Covert Ops Team. No Strategic Missile Defense. No Fighter. No Fallout Shelter. No Counterintelligence.

Literally EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of them got picked. By someone in the game.
Because if so much as ONE of them had been left unpicked, I should have gotten something!

She took her good old time responding to requests asking for the specific order (which it already was) and I have no complaints about that now. But the above post still reads like "look guys I really tried to get town things" when in this game it would have been perfectly acceptable for town to just go for the nuke.

Ircher/Cheetory/Gif likely town

two things:
1. "good old time" = 18 minutes?
2. "perfectly acceptable for town to just go for the nuke" implies "unacceptable for town to not go for the nuke"?

[Something_Smart]

I don't think having me as a top scumread sincerely is impossible. I think doing so without having read the game, especially over one post that's not even alignment indicative for me, is basically impossible. And it fits perfectly with his vibe of BSing everything else, except that he's trying to pass it off as serious.

You and Ircher, while both being very wrong, have at least read the game, and so I could potentially buy the possibility of either of you being town.

[Something_Smart]

1. Where does 18 min come from?

The time between 1465, where she said what she did, and 1474, where she claimed the order, was 18 minutes.

[Something_Smart]

with a heavy dose of making-shit-up-as-I-go-along mixed in.

Man why did you have to say this now

I was baiting him for more

Oh btw the explanation.

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

> Main reasoning

It's bad because he's calling me scum. Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that. He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

> "He

could

be town if he actually barely read anything."

He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?

> Presents that he actually barely read anything

but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terrible

he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't

> changes to "he's scum because he barely read anything and pushing the read"

So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread.

I can. Why can't he?

because he explicitly cited having read ALL my posts as the reason for that read.

To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?

I don't buy it.

> Voila! He finally connected to this altered scenario into his original reasoning of "sounds fake" argument!

this is... super reachy to say the least.
and it's manipulative too, though it doesn't seem like that was intentional.

He's scum because what he said is faked. The reason it's faked is that he seems very convinced that I'm scum despite self-admittedly having not read. Him having me as his strongest scumread means that he either has a clue what's going on or he's making up crap, and it's obvious that he doesn't have a clue, so therefore he's making up crap.

[Something_Smart]

and it's manipulative too, though it doesn't seem like that was intentional.

Completely intentional and is manipulative.
Town wouldn't have done what you've done here so yeah

your post was intentionally manipulative?

[Something_Smart]

This is 2117 you're talking about?

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: GIF

[Something_Smart]

so are you

[Something_Smart]

if that were true I'd have voted you in 2150.

[Something_Smart]

I got confirmation and still didn't vote you in 2153. If I had really voted you for admitting to being manipulative I wouldn't have cared which post it was in.

[Something_Smart]

Spoiler:

Actually, though, you had just admitted you were being manipulative earlier. So you should be able to understand why I was, at least, unsure.

[Something_Smart]

guess again

[Something_Smart]

you're doing it again

[Something_Smart]

Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?

I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.

[Something_Smart]

Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?

I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.

The difference between my usage of that sentence vs yours is that mine the answer is pretty obvious while yours you have no answer.

lol

you're still doing it

why is manipulativeness a scum trait? I manipulate people as town all the time

ss

who said it was?

[Something_Smart]

A) I would rather lynch SS
B) Scum are never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, going to waste a kill on you if you're town

the terrorist might tho

I form reads by reading what the person says and taking a lot of small things into account. But I can't take notes because it would disrupt my thoughts and I don't have a god memory, so it's a pain for me to explain reads.

So you form reads by taking many small details into account. And you have a not so godlike memory so it is hard to explain it. But you don’t do the one thing that would make your playstyle effective (taking notes)?

This so can die …

yes. I don't have the patience nor the concentration.

and also I don't think it would make much of a difference because when I do explain my reads in depth people usually just ignore them anyway.

so I usually just focus on figuring things out for myself, and if other people don't agree, sucks to be them. (not a terribly team-minded approach, I realize. but I've been unable to invest enough time and focus into the game recently because of other stuff, so I'm due for a break anyway.)

By the same token, the fewer people left in the game, the more initiative I can take in explaining stuff. In other words my content level will increase as the game goes on.

“Just leave me alone so I can coast I promise I’ll be more effective at faking Town later in the game”

ok bro

I already said that people could ask me about stuff and I'd answer as long as they didn't ask me about everything.

That's not how this works.

it's how I work. see above.

Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.
Ircher because his readlists contained numerous strange reads with weak or basically nonexistent reasoning (Cheetory, SpyreX, mastina, Cephrir, Reck, and me in particular).
Nukebringer because gut. Well, more than that, it seems like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town play and not doing a very good job of it.

What are your thoughts on the posts not by Firebringer? (Hint: He's the nice head.) Also, what are your thoughts on the following: Lady Lambdadelta, Ser Arthur Dayne, MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, hiplop, mastina?

I can't really tell the heads apart and tbh due to the avi I'm kinda attributing anything to him. Are there any particular posts by you that you want me to look at?
I doubt I can read LLD well at all, but her posts seem solid. I'm also okay sheeping the majority on this, since most people I think know her better than me.
Sir Danish is pretty obv town.
MoI is icky and I don't know if he believes his pushes. Will look more into that later.
Haven't really been paying much attention to RC's posts, offhand I can't see anything wrong about him.
Does hiplop even have content?
IMO most of the crap mastina's been pulling is towny though I'd admit that she seems like someone with whom experience is very helpful.

oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )

this is the slot people are trying to save

look at that post and tell me that it's from town

lmao

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prodge because thanksgiving, etc

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I have Espionage.
VOTE: UT

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espionage, battleship, submarine

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well the aircraft carrier should be on nahdia

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hehe

nahdia should use her counterintelligence to make it look like she visited nobody

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why didn't you highlight GIF?

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because I just got back from being home for Thanksgiving.

is there anything you want to ask me about?

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what about that was so bad?

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but I was never going to be lynched.

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lol

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I'm sorry :/

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VOTE: GIF