DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[McMenno]

VOTE: title war

YE BOII

[McMenno]

VOTE: For Total War

you are GOING DOWN

[McMenno]

sheep me on total war trust me I won't nuke you

[McMenno]

it's not about the gameplay it's about nuking people

okay I have this idea that the scumteam have one plant that's against total war

[McMenno]

so if you gey a troop you can't nuke people right

[McMenno]

wtf my calculations didn't accountant for this

[McMenno]

on page 6 and I think redcoyote is scum currently

no it's not because he's against total war

cheetory is town maybe

[McMenno]

I guess I'm kneejerking partially because I feel indirectly attacked and also feel wary of the idea of knocking out big voices earlygame >.>

I honestly think it would be easier to make a list of "Not Big Voices" in the playerlist myself. And I know you didn't hang around Kids Characters long but Imperium / Nacho was an example of a scum "Big Voice" that took a Vig shot to take down that game.

me me

[McMenno]

remember last time when spiffeh and hiplop were given a dayvig

thanks for that btw

[McMenno]

McMenno, what are your reads?

my only read is disappointment

[McMenno]

oh my god WHY IS THIS 18 PAGES

why does this fact surprise people

[McMenno]

McMenno, what are your reads?

you can be a townread

[McMenno]

☑ lld scum

[

Town

]-----Cheet--Nahdia-GiF---Grey---MoI-Nukebringer-Ceph-Spiff--PZ--Reck-Ircher--hiplop-Fate-Spy[

∙

]-LLD-Accountant-Dayne--mastina--Errant--McMenno----SS------------[

Scum

]

enlighten me

[McMenno]

Not to be crude but it kinda looked like you were sucking UT's dick there

thats exactly what i was doing

hot

on page 6 and I think redcoyote is scum currently

no it's not because he's against total war

cheetory is town maybe

i feel like youre expecting this to be a Unique Special Snowflake Read sorry to disappoint you

cheetory is adorable and i just want to take him home with me

patience, patience

[McMenno]

so how long is the day deadline again

[McMenno]

then who is a filthy terrorist huh

maybe look at your ROLE PM

[McMenno]

nonsequitur.

no it means that those special snowflake reads will flow in

[McMenno]

so has anyone heard about this setup guys??? I sure didn't

[McMenno]

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

[McMenno]

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

Oh cool, tell me.

How did he fool you before and what reminds you of that time?

I scumread him

then I did not

then someone sarcastically asked me to recount these events

the end

[McMenno]

Pro-Tip - if there is real "low hanging fruit" in this playerlist it is McMenno.

ye boii

okay folks my hitlist is only 4 people long, more scummy posting please

but less walltastic ego-posting

[McMenno]

Oh also Cephrir looks meh but I do understand that this is still the glorified pre-game right now.

excuse me but are you saying that this scumdar I have set to "pre-game" and "all scumz" is

not accurate

? it even has the titus stamp of approval and all

[McMenno]

So how's everyone? Are we thankful that the Nukes got delayed?

fuck off ircher

okay folks my hitlist is only 4 people long, more scummy posting please

Who are they?

nukebringer lld redcoyote ircher

also mastina for zitpop man brownie points maybe

[McMenno]

because she's scum?

[McMenno]

because she's scum?

no but whyyyy

I'll go to our pt and ask her

[McMenno]

^nuke this

my only weakness

[McMenno]

LIST OF THINGS TO DO
READ THREAD
PLAY MAFIA WITH PAPA ZITO
WORSHIP PAPA ZITO?
NUKE SOME COMMIES

[McMenno]

would not mind lynching ut or vaxkiller prefer rc/lld lld not happening probably

people townreading my slot anomaly

one sec

[McMenno]

I don't know if I have any really controversial opinions thus far though (Total War vote notwithstanding). I'll say McMenno would surpass SS at this point in people that need to be lynched/nuked first. He's flying under the radar insomuch as he's not being talked about as needing rope sooner rather than later. Phony posts, following the crowd, faux-snark, etc.

can you spell out hipocrisy for me tia

[McMenno]

So.... How's everyone?

not scum how about you

[McMenno]

Ep is scum

thoughts?

can't disagree with that one

[McMenno]

Mastin is town because of a few huge towntells in her posts.

well, spit it out then

don't keep us waiting

accountant why are you asking sad about his mastin townread but not lld about her gi townread

[McMenno]

Mastin is town because of a few huge towntells in her posts.

well, spit it out then

don't keep us waiting

accountant why are you asking sad about his mastin townread but not lld about her gi townread

Go ahead and ask me about my townreads.

I dare you.

You'll love the answer.

is the answer fuck off

I am trying to reinforce my pet scumread on you

[McMenno]

And for the record, you fucking donkey, I'm also in a fucking program that requires me to read scientific journals on a regular if not daily fucking basis so I've had enough of your fucking shit.

you're*

[McMenno]

tbh I was being provocative on purpose

[McMenno]

732 pings me most. just feels weird considering he's never once talked about Ircher before this.

ircher started posting between that post and the last post I made at the time

[McMenno]

string words of sentence

[McMenno]

Ahw Andrius, forgot to give me the submarine huh? Don't worry it's okay.

VOTE: ircher

[McMenno]

Not sure why anyone thinks ircher is scum, I like his posts so far. Also like guy in freezer, even tho his town post on my was weird.

Ser Arthur Dayne likely scum for coming up with the weirdest excuse for someone being scum ever.

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

did you read his readslists yo

[McMenno]

VOTE: McMenno

why did you piggyback off of cephrir's vote instead of voting redcoyote or something_smart, which I'm sure could have a wagon built on them?

[McMenno]

I am pretty sure I did not ask your reasons

and why are you still in an rvs mindset

[McMenno]

I am pretty sure I did not ask your reasons

and why are you still in an rvs mindset

ebwop: for voting me

[McMenno]

the goose is loose

[McMenno]

@SAD

Do you have a Dayvig or secret info about the game?

@Arthur --> Even for less skilled players, coherence and displayed skill can vary greatly depending on amount of effort. Do you have any examples of scum!Vax?

scumbuds spotted

could you stop chainsawing vaxkiller please? yeah.

I mean I def see the general uselessness in UT's posts.

Mcmenno and UT are the ones who have been skating the most under the surface. The former has some substance in his posts, the latter has none.

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

I've let go of an ircher scumread before, won't happen again

also first

Oh cool, tell me.

How did he fool you before and what reminds you of that time?

I scumread him

then I did not

then someone sarcastically asked me to recount these events

the end

And these posts were awful.

aren't we all

[McMenno]

another productive day on mafia scum dot net

[McMenno]

Mcmenno is a national treasure

saving this for later

I'd say me but I don't think you'd accept that answer. So I'll go with SAD.

pz I expected better of you

[McMenno]

In post 1464, McMenno wrote:

In post 1456, Ircher wrote:
VOTE: McMenno


why did you piggyback off of cephrir's vote instead of voting redcoyote or something_smart, which I'm sure could have a wagon built on them?



And you concluded it was a piggyback vote how?

wanted to address this in particular, you see he votes me immediately after cephrir does without any commentary then later tries to play it off as an rvs-y vote instead of you know... "yeah I was scumreading you and saw cephrir's vote as an opportunity to start a wagon on you"

and could you please be consistent? your posts sound like they're made by different players

oh and there's a difference between "scummy" (whatever that means) and "scum"

[McMenno]

i disagree the post you quoted was mm's best post so far

it has actual content which is a first

I have an impressive portfolio

McMenno's scum; he's pushing for my lynch with some of the crappiest reasoning there is.

I know I promised to nuke... well, nukebringer, but this is getting real tempting

how many votes does "faxkiller" have

[McMenno]

ten, it seems. hmph.

[McMenno]

vaxkiller: I'm not saying ss is scum but he's pretty scummy
ss: I'm not saying ss is scum but he's pretty scummy

oh okay was a little worried for a sec there

[McMenno]

There was commentary, actually (see: 1173, 1219). Further, I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.

Since Cephrir and I are mortal enemies this game, it only speaks to how great of a lynch you are that we can both agree on your scumminess.

I don't understand your last sentence. I use scummy as an adjective to describe people that are voting/saying/promoting/attacking in such a way that leads me to believe they are scum.

I thought it was pretty clear from context that I was referring to ircher's vote there

[McMenno]

tbh at first I thought the submarine was an actual vig but apparently it's not I feel betrayed folks

[McMenno]

@ircher I guess you've wiped marvel dual universe upick from your mind already

McMenno has so far done nothing constructive AT ALL this game imo. Why do you think he's town?

It's too early to tell for sure, actually. He's not town.
But the reason he's not scum is experience.

Have you

played

with McMenno before?

I have.
Tell me, what's the difference between here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

Hint: 2 games scum, 6 games town. Which are which?

His posts aren't identical as both alignments, sure.
But they're pretty damn similar.

mastin are you twon

[McMenno]

aren't we all

[McMenno]

I mean you can say "occam's razor says this person is town" to everyone

[McMenno]

I'm not caught up, but I want to post eavesdrop as it comes in:

peggy: maybe

alice

?

Okay so like.

I know if these are real the scum posts are still troll and stuff, so like everything is WIFOM and probably waste of time to focus on these "leaks" (unless like an actual gem is caught).

BUT who are the people that usually post in all smalls?

UT, Mcmenno, hiplop? Sometimes Cephrir, Zito, Firebringer?

oh yeah that alice = lld

Accountant is scum

accountant is twon

[McMenno]

why are wagons dissolving if you want to start a new one at least join ircher wagon

[McMenno]

rc casually handwaving moi's scumread on him away because "he always scumreads me" pretty sure it's not based on playstyle bus

[McMenno]

Also, since McMenno is so keen on lynching less-skilled players and players with a habit of getting lynched as town this game without giving even a shadow of a doubt:

The phrase "scummy != scum" means that just because a player may do things that can be viewed as coming from scum (aka scummy), it doesn't necessarily mean that they are scum.

All those scumtells on the wiki..... They probably work about 10% of the time at best. Why? 1) Scum will actively avoid commiting them because.... they're scumtells 2) Townies, who are less cautious generally, have a tendency of commiting some of them by mistake/without intending to do so/sub-consciously.

Scumtells ONLY WORK if the player in question consistently does them as scum but not as often as town. You have to look at the big picture WHICH INCLUDES the player's

meta and playstyle

before you start trying to paint a behavior as something only scum would do even when it's quite obvious that town can do it too.

Sheeping is

not

a scumtell 9/10 times because 1) Town can do it 2) Town who townread a better player than themselves may decide that that player's reads are more likely to be accurate 3) Anyone will start sheeping if they become apathetic 4) It's not a behavior that even benefits scum a lot.
---
That said, my McMenno vote was

NOT

a sheep as I already explained giving

THREE

reasons for the vote, yet McMenno

focused on only

ONE

on those reasons and claimed my reasons were a

COVER-UP

because I

apparently

didn't want to be called out for sheeping.

Some other things people should realize: "Correlation doesn't imply Causation"; just because my vote came

soon after

Cephrir's vote

does not necessarily mean

that Cephrir's vote

caused

me to vote McMenno.

Maybe you didn't like my reasons for my Mc!enno; that's understandable as long as you show that you read them all. But, trying to press my vote as scummy even when 1) There's just as likely, if not moreso, chance that town COULD do something similar and 2) The number of assumptions to make for McMenno's account is more than the number of assumptions made for what I stated in terms of my vote (Occam's Razor) is beyond ridiculous;

it's scum behavior.

And I swear, if there were a lyncher in this game, it would DEFINITELY be McMenno with a win condition to try to lynch me; this isn't the first post of McMenno's that is outrageous and ridiculous with the sole intent of getting me lynched WITHOUT proper evidence or even effort to prove such.

It's obvious to me this is scum McMenno trying to get a lynch he believes to be easy to pull off.

VOTE: McMenno

I mean it's pretty telling that he goes onto this rant about universal scumtells being bullshit and then goes after me, supposedly for me going after him, which is an "easy to pull off wagon" in his own words

well you're not a nuclear crater yet

[McMenno]

Not much to comment on. The UT and Mastina wagons undercut one another (keep this in mind for later as UT was long pushed as an alternative that only collapsed when it became relevant ... and the same goes for Vax, naturally, though I think the claim was a valid variable), so all roads seem to lead back to SS. If anyone is online and wants to talk for the next 5-10 minutes, I'll be here. Otherwise I'm V/LA for the next couple of days.

what are you trying to say here

VOTE: untrod trodprod

[McMenno]

Hint: S_S and UT are both good lynches.

something_(special)smart no good lynch no , untrod tripod yes good lynch yes

[McMenno]

Also prob should guide the cop investigation via like 3 options that Something Special picks out of.

agreed, and i think pretty much all discussion should be about this from this point on until a UT lynch.
something like coyote, nahdia, nukebringer

I volunteer

and lynch ut not ss tia

[McMenno]

VOTE: SAD

[McMenno]

TIME FOR NUKES

[McMenno]

nice

nuke Nukebringer

[McMenno]

a promise is a promise after all

[McMenno]

lolhammering a town like that as scum would get him a lot of red target on his head no?

I suppose you have never played with me before

and it was a very deliberate hammer

I mean before game even started mcmenno private messaged me that he was going to nuke me regardless of what happens in the game.
Don't think that indicates his alignment at all, kind of just bad play.

do not believe I pm'd you in particular

yet your play hasn't warranted you not being nuked

VOTE: Ircher

the day is still young

I suppose that explains spiffeh townreading me

[McMenno]

pre-in to blow up firebringer

/in as nukebringer with Equinox

imma nuke your ass

I'm going to blow you up fb

and everyone better vote total war OR ELSE

[McMenno]

I suppose you have never played with me before

and it was a very deliberate hammer

But I've seen you as scum in my game!

oh, oblivion upick

that was almost two years ago lol, not sure how I that was a perfect scum victory

so who wants to join the underlined club

[McMenno]

People I don't want nuked this phase under any circumstance: {Accountant, Cheetory6, MoI, Papa Zito, Cephrir, Reck, SpyreX}
People I think are town but not enough to warrant being in the first group: {LLD, hiplop, mastina, SAD, McMenno, RedCoyote}
People I wouldn't mind seeing get nuked: {Untrod Tripod, Fate, GreyICE, Nahdia, Something_Smart, ErrantParabola, Ircher}
People that need to be lynched/nuked at the earliest opportunity: {GIF, Vaxkiller, Nukebringer}

This is where I'm at rn

I'm hoping the lynch phase will help me sort people in the third pile

Especially EP because I feel like I can actually get a definitive read there if they would actually post

for posterity

if papa zito isn't scum then what? seems unlikely that his top tier.kek is all town

[McMenno]

im disappointed the terrorist isn't leaking stuff to us. no fun.

Wouldn't be surprised if the terrorist was afraid that their posting idiosyncrasies would be too noticeable.

Oh.

That's kinda disturbing, actually.

Fallout shelter stops all nukes unless I'm mistaken.

Role claiming, are you?

there don't seem to be any nukes flowing... disappointing

[McMenno]

le siiiiiiigh

fine, hmmm?

by popular request

recall nuke

yet the nukes must flow...

RED coyote

glory to america

[McMenno]

le siiiiiiigh

fine, hmmm?

by popular request

recall nuke

yet the nukes must flow...

RED coyote

glory to america

[NORAD SYSTEM] NUCLEAR LAUNCH cancelled.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Self-destruct system initiated.

What is the bolded RedCoyote for? Is this a vote? Because you only get one nuke per day, even if its cancelled.

oh

god fucking dammit

[McMenno]

Nuke Nukebringer

Who fucking cares.

me irl

[McMenno]

Also, hiplop, go get loved by a stick, why don't you?

[McMenno]

Oh, and McMenno can go get rekt.

[McMenno]

time to nuke people.
without my partner approving.

WHO WANTS TO HAVE SOME FUN AND PLAY A GAME!?!?!?!!?

I volunteer mcmenno to come play.

I have graciously recalled my nuke on you and if you nuke me... I will call you a meanieface

[McMenno]

I have graciously recalled my nuke on you and if you nuke me... I will call you a meanieface

get ready to start with a "m"

m

[McMenno]

c

[McMenno]

menno

[McMenno]

I could do that

[McMenno]

you misspelled your name, its 'mcmemester"
get it right.

[McMenno]

Hmm ok. I'm targeting RedCoyote.

You going to recall then?

[McMenno]

more like greynice amirite amirite

rest in peppers

[McMenno]

Who fucking cares.

[McMenno]

accountant scum maybe

hiplop for sk 2k16

[McMenno]

I say nuke accountant

[McMenno]

[McMenno]

And you're a silly goose.
GiF has been pushing a cop inno on hip.

no no, he's

not russian

[McMenno]

I sure did

[McMenno]

that in mind i dont think it's unreasonable to think he's scum who just didnt wanna take the heat of lynching Nukebringer and thought killing RedCoyote would get him much less hate.

I mean duh

[McMenno]

So either the terrorist

1) it's hiplop
2) it's actually... hiplop

[McMenno]

So either the terrorist

1) it's hiplop
2) it's actually... hiplop

wtf

Spoiler: happy birthday

[McMenno]

"I townread x because they did y game related thing"

kill me now

[McMenno]

mechanics* mb

[McMenno]

aren't we all

[McMenno]

nukebringer don't forget to nuke ircher

[McMenno]

VOTE: mcmenno

[McMenno]

rereading ~stuff~

also why the fuck did they nuke ircher and not just nuke prolific town and kill themselves I mean what even

[McMenno]

Errantparabola is scum

discuss

ur scum

~Fire

me too thanks

[McMenno]

oh that's a good point actually.

okay it's probably not UT then.

who nuked Nukebringer

hipflop

[McMenno]

Pagetop

get rekt

[McMenno]

Actually... that's a really good point on the McMenno nuke+Recall. Turbo distancing...

Vote: McMenno

how is that distancing

guess I couls lynch mastina but like whatever

[McMenno]

aren't we all

[McMenno]

itt coasting on garbo vca and getting away with blatant antitown moves

[McMenno]

just say no, kids

me too thanks

[McMenno]

Spoiler:

[McMenno]

Congrats to MoI, RC, and mcmenno, you played a really good scum game.

Spoiler: