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Post Post #57 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:45 am

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In post 10, Spiffeh wrote:I will be nuking hiplop at the earliest opportunity

No one get in my way
Fight me
In post 26, Something_Smart wrote:oh hey I finally rolled town in a large :P
but now I have 23 slots to sort... :shifty:
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. :roll: )
:P :shifty: :roll:

I have only read the first post once but it seems like total war isn't the best. It's more fun, but night actions + getting actual gameplay to then nuke based on seems better. Convince me I guess.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:48 am

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ok nope i gotta get happy pumbaa back this shit is killing my vibe

sorry hillz
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Post Post #62 (isolation #2) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:49 am

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In post 60, McMenno wrote:it's not about the gameplay it's about nuking people

okay I have this idea that the scumteam have one plant that's against total war
i have this idea that what the fuck are you going on about half the game hasn't even posted
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Post Post #66 (isolation #3) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:52 am

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In post 64, Spiffeh wrote:Ceph did your scum team elect you as the honorary "respectable player" to try and stop Total War to save your scumbuddies from complete annihilation?
No, I volunteered, being respectable and keeping the peace is my natural role :]
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Post Post #67 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:52 am

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In post 65, Cheetory6 wrote:Looks like it's either you or me Ceph.
:(
dang he nailed us :(
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Post Post #69 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:53 am

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aha! zis is why you're ze brains of zis operation

dang that just came out french
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Post Post #73 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:55 am

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In post 70, Nukebringer wrote:
In post 57, Cephrir wrote:I have only read the first post once but it seems like total war isn't the best. It's more fun, but night actions + getting actual gameplay to then nuke based on seems better. Convince me I guess.
Who joins this game only to wimp out when it's time for nuking?

Embrace the MADness.
I mean I'm here bc hippo told me to be here i barely read the rules first
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Post Post #90 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:06 pm

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In post 76, Cheetory6 wrote:I suppose we could use the dayvigs like extra lynches?
In which case could not effectively do like.. five lynches a day or more?
realistically there is zero chance of this happening.
In post 86, Cheetory6 wrote:Like, what's to stop town from just powerlynching through the playerlist with nukes?
Time limitations?
town stupidity probably. you give a guy a dayvig he's gonna be a crazy person. i do not claim to be immune to this effect.
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Post Post #95 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:13 pm

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In post 91, Cheetory6 wrote:Why not? We could hash out deadlines and be organized about it.
I'm probably barking up the wrong tree with this game and playerlist but I mean, theoretically this setup could be easy as fuck to basically give town so many more lynches than they normally get.
The practical answer is no one wants to.

Other than that, well, is vanilla 18:5:1 nightless balanced? it might be
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Post Post #98 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:17 pm

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Does that plan mean everyone is taking nukes? if so, every scum that goes down gets to off someone don't they
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Post Post #137 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:14 pm

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In post 111, Spiffeh wrote:I think the nuke doctor is way more useful than 3/10
This. It can also be used to curtail town stupidity. It occurs to me that I'm thinking troops re-happen every night, they do right?
In post 114, Spiffeh wrote:Are we still allowed to discuss stuff during DEFCON 1?

Because if so I see no reason for TOTAL WAR to not happen
Well, nights with investigative powers in play and no scum kill seem pretty thoroughly good, that's where I'm at at this point. Even if you don't see the value in having a couple normal day phases not marred by insanity, which I do.
In post 117, RedCoyote wrote:
In post 26, Something_Smart wrote:oh hey I finally rolled town in a large :P
but now I have 23 slots to sort... :shifty:
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. :roll: )
Gross post. All sorts of commie pings coming off of it. That GiF caught this as well makes me feel good about him.
How could anyone fail to catch that?
I'm also liking Cheetory so far as he seems relatively analytical compared to the rest of the players that are posting lots.
I have a feeling we are not going to get along
In post 111, Spiffeh wrote:I think the nuke doctor is way more useful than 3/10
I think the odds are small that a town player with Strategic Missle Defense is alive in late game and is effectively stopping nukes on the correct player. Doctor is already a relatively weak card depending on the circumstances, when you limit him to just defending nukes, eh, I just think it's a very situational role.[/quote]

How is it situational? You can SEE nukes. You're not going to miss.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 140, RedCoyote wrote:
Cephrir wrote:How could anyone fail to catch that?
Did you?
Did you think I quoted him and posted emoticons for fun, or...?
In post 144, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 138, Cheetory6 wrote:Are you actually standing behind that stance in practice? Because I would expect scum to be pretending to be cautious in doing something like this, not to actually try to oppose Total War for some mechanical purpose.
I meant that scum would prefer no TOTAL WAR to TOTAL WAR

The façade they put on for the thread is obviously a different story, but I'd expect them to latch onto the insecurities town players have about TOTAL WAR and ultimately try to get it opposed
Not that it really matters, but why?
In post 158, RedCoyote wrote:
In post 149, Cheetory6 wrote:If this were a tryhard group, I would be voting no Total War.
That isn't the case so I'm feeling kind of meh.
I totally sympathize with this. I'm really not out to be the heavy; I don't have the personality for it. The history of 3.0 needs to be put out there though.

The temptation to nuke mastina, Something Smart and MoI though... hard to fight that.
Why?
In post 159, RedCoyote wrote:Spiff, I'm getting town vibes from you despite our disagreement here. Don't let me forget I said this.
You aren't supposed to have trouble remembering your own reads. Buddy much, etc.
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In post 134, Spiffeh wrote:I think we'd get a lot more out of flips from nukes and troop selection than we would out of 2 weeks of talking

And it's not like we lose all discussion anyway

Scum are more likely to dislike the random element of TOTAL WAR and oppose it
:3

VOTE: AGAINST TOTAL WAR
Thank you, tbh
In post 184, xRECKONERx wrote:sry all players didn't agree to total war, your votes are meaningless, prepare for slow trudging bullshit
this admittedly does not really sound like your sort of thing
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Post Post #204 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 163, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Mastin's scum.
In post 167, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Oh and RedCoyote needs nukes to the face before endgame for his current posting. Could be town but it's just essentially quoting a bunch of stuff from 3.0 and trying to make himself look useful.
I agree with Lady Lambdadelta. Pretend I bothered to find the sign holding smiley dude.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:14 pm

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In post 206, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 203, Cephrir wrote:this admittedly does not really sound like your sort of thing
but making people angry IS 100% my sort of thing
I can dig that.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:14 pm

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I am nuking myself discuss
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Post Post #216 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 211, Nukebringer wrote:
In post 209, Cephrir wrote:I am nuking myself discuss
What will happen to timon if you do that?

~Fire
It's global nuclear war anyways. Probably not much anymore.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:19 pm

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In post 212, Spiffeh wrote:This is scum Firebringer too btw
I feel like I've been in this movie before.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:03 pm

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In post 218, mastina wrote:Btw I actually have gained reads in spite of not reading the first few pages. People here feel ridiculously transparent. (Well not all, I'll never claim to read one or two of the players in here, but some legit are seriously scum or obviously town.)
The main issue I'm having here is on whether I should tell you or not.
Because while telling you is technically pro-town...it also ruins the mood, kills the fun, and is an actual ~town~ thing to do and thus not the TROLL thing to do.
The fact that LLD scumreading you did not spawn a self referential wall is very worrisome
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Post Post #262 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:10 pm

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Literally who are you and where did you hide mastins body
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Post Post #360 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:34 pm

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In post 320, Accountant wrote:dayne is probably scum
Nah.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:44 pm

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In post 329, xRECKONERx wrote:TOWN
mastina
cheetory
Something-Smart
hiplop
Cephrir

SCUM
SpyreX
Untrod Tripod

k that's all ive got for now

no clue what to think about LLD atm. inclined to believe mastin's read but idk. the whole GIMME THIS USELESS THING SO I CAN BE A CODEBREAKER AND REAL TOWN HELPER seems forced and actor like and ugh.

p.edit: i have no idea what you're talking about
She apparently actually did it last time or something though
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i sure wish i could in a way that wasnt essentially lolgut

spyrex feels off compared to his old townself but that could be rust

mr tripod is playing similarly to how i remember him rolling me as scum one time + i also think he's smarter/better than he's playing right now. he's going after easy policy bait like a hungry dog

mastina's play is so fucking bizarre for her that i just cant see it as anything other than town trolling. mastin-scum i think would feel a bit more indebted to a team than to play this stupidly.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:44 pm

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In post 350, SpyreX wrote:
In post 347, SpyreX wrote:I don't think that's the intent more a dont wait 72 hrs
Nope guys you can only launch 1 per day not land one per day
You as in we

That would be awful
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Post Post #364 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:45 pm

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Spifflop

Stop it this is Not Friendship
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Post Post #375 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:16 pm

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I would probably scum read Arthur for being frustrating if he was on me and not other people but that isn't happening so I'm cool with it

I am easy to manipulate
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Post Post #389 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:09 pm

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In post 377, Accountant wrote:Implying scum read that he can pull out later to say he was scum reading Dayne all along but was apparently "too easily manipulated" to *really* scumread him while also having plausible deniability while also trying to cover it up with a cavalier attitude

Cephrir needs to die
That's quite a theory you've got there and would require a fuck load more planning ahead than I've ever done in my entire life but ok bud :]
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Post Post #390 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:10 pm

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In post 380, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 24, Papa Zito wrote:Getting 2 lynches before the mafia start killing seems like a plus? Help me out.
In post 57, Cephrir wrote: I have only read the first post once but it seems like total war isn't the best. It's more fun, but night actions + getting actual gameplay to then nuke based on seems better. Convince me I guess.
So I thought Cephrir the first one to do the "guys stop being hyped up about total war lets think logically" and I generally think the first one to do that is town. But actually Zito did that.

Now his post is looking bad cuz it looks like makes him look like he's contributing without actually pointing having new insight or a fresh idea.
Omg us

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Post Post #397 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:31 pm

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In post 395, Accountant wrote:
In post 391, SpyreX wrote:Yeaaaa i like the gusto accountant. Thats fine jib cuts but
What does this mean i am entitled millenial who only knows text speech
Do you spell it you or u

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Post Post #398 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:32 pm

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In post 396, SpyreX wrote:I like the cut of your jib but i think the knife needs a better home
It's not a literal cut you know. It's a sailing thing.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:35 am

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In post 410, hiplop wrote:
In post 403, Accountant wrote:Not to be crude but it kinda looked like you were sucking UT's dick there
thats exactly what i was doing
hot
In post 418, McMenno wrote:on page 6 and I think redcoyote is scum currently

no it's not because he's against total war


cheetory is town maybe
i feel like youre expecting this to be a Unique Special Snowflake Read sorry to disappoint you

cheetory is adorable and i just want to take him home with me
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Post Post #434 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:35 am

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i think you're town, reck!
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Post Post #456 (isolation #30) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:30 am

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imo forced is basically a word that means gut but sounds more substantial even though its not

it's not wrong just unhelpful
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Post Post #464 (isolation #31) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:12 am

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I'm ready to start the game

VOTE: Against
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Post Post #465 (isolation #32) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:15 am

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it's really tempting to call ircher town for voting against without reading the thread
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Post Post #467 (isolation #33) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:18 am

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you got me i'm just so scared of posting content that i had to not
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Post Post #468 (isolation #34) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:19 am

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some of those points are basically just you repeating what moi said only with sarcasm.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #35) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:21 am

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of those 5 last quotes i would say only the first one is bullshit and the third could use clarity
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Post Post #473 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:22 am

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are too
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Post Post #478 (isolation #37) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:26 am

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In post 475, Nukebringer wrote:
In post 473, Cephrir wrote:are too
Fight me.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #38) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:04 am

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In post 482, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 443, Nahdia wrote: Not liking Dayne. was just bad IMO. There was nothing about the post Spiff made that pinged me in the slightest so I really don't understand such a forceful call-out like that. Reads as just fake to me.

Disagree with Accountant that is bad. I make posts like this as town.

Recks' is needlessly defensive and bugs me. I make flippant early reads on really minor stuff too but that just feels a bit
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simple a post to form a read on.
How do people glance at this and think these reads are okay and not call out their bullshit.
???
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Post Post #500 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:09 am

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In post 498, Spiffeh wrote:especially since she's town
your mother was a town.

i want to see the mastina i know and [whatever it is i feel towards her, i'm not really sure sometimes].
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Post Post #501 (isolation #40) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:10 am

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i realize that probably is not going to happen this game though and i imagine she probably planned on trolling before opening her role PM. i just have to decide what kind of trolling it is.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #41) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:23 am

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In post 507, Spiffeh wrote:I could also see scum!GIF

He's around enough to make a few fringe comments and have somewhat of a presence but he's not making any "waves" and seems to be escaping everyone's radars

which is a sweet spot I'd expect scum to seek out given the nature of this game
so he's gif? ok
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Post Post #546 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:02 am

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In post 536, RedCoyote wrote:Last game, you mean? Explain.
i don't know what part of this obvious fact needs to be explained
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Post Post #579 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:20 am

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In post 575, McMenno wrote:☑ lld scum
In post 557, RedCoyote wrote:[
Town
]-----Cheet--Nahdia-GiF---Grey---MoI-Nukebringer-Ceph-Spiff--PZ--Reck-Ircher--hiplop-Fate-Spy[
]-LLD-Accountant-Dayne--mastina--Errant--McMenno----SS------------[
Scum
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Post Post #589 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:29 am

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In post 582, McMenno wrote:
In post 433, Cephrir wrote:
In post 410, hiplop wrote:
In post 403, Accountant wrote:Not to be crude but it kinda looked like you were sucking UT's dick there
thats exactly what i was doing
hot
In post 418, McMenno wrote:on page 6 and I think redcoyote is scum currently

no it's not because he's against total war


cheetory is town maybe
i feel like youre expecting this to be a Unique Special Snowflake Read sorry to disappoint you

cheetory is adorable and i just want to take him home with me
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Post Post #609 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:13 am

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have i worn out the "gg you got me dood" joke yet
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Post Post #613 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:27 am

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Ser Arthur Disdain, Sword of the Scorning
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Post Post #661 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:12 pm

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Yes, it is not. It's also very irrelevant as it turns out. Is that really the most important post you've seen so far
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Post Post #665 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:22 pm

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I would expect you to comment on important things more than unimportant things, but sure I'll stop heckling keep on keeping on

Also I'm going to nuke the next person who thinks they can catch a third party specifically on day zero.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:31 pm

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That just sounds like scum to me.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:30 pm

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In post 694, GuyInFreezer wrote:There's this #4 too but it's kinda personal thing.
I enjoy reaction testing a lot in the most perverted (No, not sexually perverted) way possible, but I can't seem to find the purpose of reaction testing with stuff like #26.
Like, if he was actually reaction testing with that post, what exactly was he trying to fish and what kind of reaction was he looking for while doing that?
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Post Post #714 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:32 pm

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In post 711, GuyInFreezer wrote:I don't. But I'm expecting it to be in very high accuracy because they know each other well.
In my limited experience, it isn't
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Post Post #722 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:37 pm

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Ideally one should be able to tell from the number of exclamation marks that I will not accept slayers gambit as a real answer.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:40 am

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In post 736, GreyICE wrote:None really. The game just started. And if you think I care about pregame posturing when nothing is at stake and no one can die, you're... accountant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... ted_States
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Post Post #765 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:41 am

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In post 738, mastina wrote:
In post 500, Cephrir wrote:i want to see the mastina i know.
The mastina you want is already here. I mean, I'm PMing reads as of this quote to the mod, because I'm not sharing them in here (I didn't think it felt appropriate), but I already told the mod yesterday (and told the mod to post said thing to spoiled players because I'll be pissed if that wasn't shared) exactly what I am doing.

I know you're town here (so I'm not worried you're missing it), but I was honestly a bit surprised.

Of all the people here, I thought you'd be the first one to figure it out.

I AM the mastina you know.

Reconcile that with what I've posted thusfar.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:34 am

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In post 767, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Given that my reads don’t line up with yours and your reasoning is “gut” the first place my mind goes is scum faking reads.
I think this could lead you astray quite often, especially in this player list.

It's nice to see you kinda making sense, though, overall. :P
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Post Post #777 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:37 am

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I could see "tonally bizarre" but I'm not sure about forced

/nitpick

pedit: oh it's another post
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Post Post #778 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:37 am

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LLD what on earth is this exclamation point thing
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Post Post #808 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:33 am

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your face is meh
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Post Post #882 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:46 pm

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In post 879, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:I don't understand why anyone should be thinking about a plan for the dayvigs or forming a bloc or anything right now (other than obv pming the mod with a choice for role/nuke - but do that in the privacy of your thoughts while watching tv or the much more superior anime).

We have two days to go without nukes. Stop the dumb lining up of events. Treat the game in a more spontaneous matter.
This

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Post Post #904 (isolation #60) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:41 am

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:roll:
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Post Post #912 (isolation #61) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:57 am

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yes okay let's nuke everyone who wasn't a universal townread on day zero gr8 idea
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Post Post #918 (isolation #62) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:05 am

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In post 914, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 912, Cephrir wrote:yes okay let's nuke everyone who wasn't a universal townread on day zero gr8 idea
Why not?
have you ever played a game of mafia where your reads never changed
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Post Post #925 (isolation #63) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:10 am

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being cocky like that is how you lose mafia games

anyway i'd rather have more nights i think, troop choices will come out eventually and actually i dont think i should say the rest of this post
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Post Post #931 (isolation #64) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:15 am

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In post 928, Spiffeh wrote:Firebringer not reevaluating his read on me after proving his earlier reason for scum reading me wrong is a scum claim

In case anyone was wondering
im gonna be real with you

im not reading your argument and i don't give a fuck about it because there's too much meta
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Post Post #936 (isolation #65) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:32 am

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^nuke this
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Post Post #948 (isolation #66) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:51 am

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In post 940, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 932, Nukebringer wrote:i have played with cephrir alot and this is something he only says when he is town.
"Hey someone is defending me let me give them a town read so they keep doing it"
"I don't care about this" is a defense? I know logic has suffered many defeats this year but that is perhaps a bridge too far

also i did not get the joke until reck pointed it out gj ceph
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Post Post #951 (isolation #67) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:52 am

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i kind of think everyone having the power to go for their pet scumread could result in a good outcome and sometimes one person does have the sick read
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Post Post #959 (isolation #68) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:02 am

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In post 952, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 948, Cephrir wrote:"I don't care about this" is a defense? I know logic has suffered many defeats this year but that is perhaps a bridge too far

also i did not get the joke until reck pointed it out gj ceph
It's not

But the beauty of this game is that I don't really need to convince anyone once I have a nuke in my pocket :)
you're the one who said it was like 4 seconds ago.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:05 am

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In post 948, Cephrir wrote:"Hey someone is defending me let me give them a town read so they keep doing it"
come on dude this isnt hard
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Post Post #963 (isolation #70) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:05 am

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that decided to quote me instead of you because im technologically challenged
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Post Post #966 (isolation #71) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:11 am

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oh

well i dont agree but that is at least a coherent opinion

i mean i dont care about his read on you either and it's not like i said "hey everyone you too should ignore this." just puttin my opinion out there
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Post Post #982 (isolation #72) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:54 am

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In post 967, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hey Cephir - what do you think of SAD?
I thought he was town at first but I'm not so sure anymore.
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Post Post #983 (isolation #73) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:58 am

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In post 968, SpyreX wrote:
In post 912, Cephrir wrote:yes okay let's nuke everyone who wasn't a universal townread on day zero gr8 idea
So how slippery would you say the slope was that got you here? Like baby oil or the tears of all the bald eagles you made cry
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Post Post #986 (isolation #74) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:09 am

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In before elmo gif
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #75) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:31 pm

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Nuke that too^
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #76) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:49 pm

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Where is the analysis
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #77) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:48 am

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In post 1060, Vaxkiller wrote:I made the short list!

Oh.

I'm slowly reading through, but im not very far, and its going to take a long while. TBH I usually find it more useful to just jump in and start reading a few individuals iso's that ping me as scummmy. Reading mastina now!
In post 1062, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 1061, Something_Smart wrote:I love how Ircher's read on me is just "he's scum because the things he did are indicative of scum."
Uhhh your reading one sentence of it. He listed other reasons. Misrep much?
fascinating

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Post Post #1069 (isolation #78) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:09 am

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would you prefer it if i more explicitly stated "i hate these posts"
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #79) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:39 am

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that is only true if you first assume him not to be a VI. I would suggest those summary posts are a very good indication he is, though
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #80) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:54 am

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In post 1077, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 1075, Cephrir wrote:that is only true if you first assume him not to be a VI. I would suggest those summary posts are a very good indication he is, though
Ircher isn't a VI. Stop being elitist and mean Cephir.
I haven't played with him before but his posts elsewhere on the forum gave me the impression he's pretty young

I wanna say I don't mean it as a mean thing just a factual thing but that probably isn't a thing that can possibly be said nicely.
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #81) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:56 am

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let's stop talking about it before i say more mean things
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #82) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:11 am

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I am starting to want nukes more and more
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #83) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:26 am

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In post 1148, Something_Smart wrote:I agree. (Actually, Ircher being alive might be a valid excuse. But other than that, yeah.)
I thought you didn't have strong reads and/or couldn't explain them

Where is this coming from?
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #84) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:27 am

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In post 1148, Something_Smart wrote:Well, I mean, that line was me saying that my reads are going to be so much worse than everyone else's. But in any event, he still didn't explain why he found anything I did scummy.
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #85) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:07 am

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In post 1153, Something_Smart wrote:(and besides I said I didn't have ENOUGH strong reads then. I have a few more now.)
do i REALLY need to say "okay can you explain them now"
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #86) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:14 am

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Whoever has been calling LLD scum: go suck an egg you are the most wrong
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #87) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:56 am

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In post 1162, Cheetory6 wrote:Are you that confident in your ability to read her?
:/
well, no, i'm not that confident about anything ever, but i feel pretty good at the moment
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #88) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:11 am

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Usually I get laughed at when I explain my townreads, but I'll try.

Things I liked:
-Starting out with wanting eavesdropper but seeming to shift towards wanting nukes because of all the scumbutts that need to be nuked
-Seemed to be doing some protown setup analysis/attempted breaking and approaching the game from a town mindset
-I've liked the way her usual aggressiveness has been tempered with playfulness; she is clearly having fun (, , , , etc.)
-The one time I've seen her as scum, she was less present than she was the time I've seen her as town and also this game
- and are great posts
-I think that keeping reads in your pants can be a town trait depending on the context; I happen to believe that those reads actually exist
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #89) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:27 am

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In post 1262, Nukebringer wrote:i now have townreads on GIF and Vaxkiller just because Spiffeh is saying they should be nuked first.
The exit is over there pls go away
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #90) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:57 am

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In post 1281, Spiffeh wrote:Relax he's in the "immediate death" category anyway
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #91) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:58 am

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Sucks that the time mastin seems to fully believe in me is the time she's gonna be too dead to work with me
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #92) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:38 pm

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hiplop has a better than random chance of being town
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:35 pm

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Because I said so
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #94) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:17 am

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In post 1325, Nahdia wrote:cheetory i dont really care to elaborate considering my reads tend to be bad anyway and i know im not long for this world regardless of what i do.
You really don't think anyone would be willing to change their minds if you kept trying? You don't think your opinion is valid? I don't think you're even in the top half of people who are generally considered to be scummy so I'm very confused by the defeatism. It's depressing.
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Accountant, Mastina, Greyice, EP, Cephrir, hiplop

Zito, Nahdia, Mcmenno, UT, Nukebringer, RC, lrcher, Fate
Spyrex, MoI, LLD, GIF, Spiffeh, Vaxkiller
Holy shit this second line deserves to get you nuked. Half of those players haven't posted basically anything and then there's Mastin.
Huh? I think everyone there has posted enough for it to be possible to have a read on them.
In post 1348, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Wait LOL nvm you're pointing to the second.

Which ones have posted "basically anything"?

Mastin is town because of a few huge towntells in her posts.
Which are? If you care about her not being dead you're gonna have to share with the class. Or you just want to be able to say you were right later... :/
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #95) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:18 am

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Yeah ok maybe I should read the whole thread instead of posting as I go shut up you're not my real dad
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #96) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:29 am

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In post 1417, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1415, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:It gives a safety net for people TWO days before any nukes start happening.
NO IT DOESN'T

No one should have gotten the impression that any proposals for the town bloc get a free ride for the rest of the game

If I think someone is worthy of a town bloc early on and their play takes a nosedive then they're kicked out and available for nuking again
A problem I have with it is if you label a group as not am option for nuking, it becomes impossible to pressure them. Their play will not take a nosedive if they don't have anything to worry about. The constant threat of being nuked is a powerful tool for town imo
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #97) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:31 am

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In post 1430, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 1428, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:anyway I'm done here for now. SAD will continue to respond with inane fabrications to generate noise and create apathy.

It's more important other people read this and see how scummy he is than it is for me to argue with scum and generate a never ending whirlpool of noise.
If I can make one last point to you madam,

Would be be so kind as to edit the Commonly Used Abbreviations "Abbreviations of Player Names" section and put GI = GreyICE.

I fear future generations will be scumread by you solely due misreading :(
This post is clearly designed to get an angry reaction
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #98) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:34 am

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VOTE: mcmenno
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #99) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:15 pm

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100% fine with this too

VOTE: vax

Also, we probably shouldn't run around claiming silo for the lols... this is still a mafia game
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Post Post #1491 (isolation #100) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:57 pm

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In post 1483, Ircher wrote:
In post 1471, McMenno wrote:I am pretty sure I did not ask your reasons

and why are you still in an rvs mindset
Errant asked.

And RVS cuz we didnt have it at the beginning of the game.
Rvs exists for a reason and it's one that clearly doesn't apply to this game
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #101) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:44 pm

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In post 1585, Ircher wrote:So, Vax vs. Arthur ==> Town vs Town it seems, moving on, who should we lynch?
asdfghjkl;
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #102) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:49 pm

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Without fact checking any of recks sorta case, it seems pretty valid

I don't know if I believe Ircher is scum but I do believe his posts make me want to slam my head against a wall more often than not

Mcmennos posts are negative good and whoever said they have some content is wrong, their content is just bad
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Post Post #1664 (isolation #103) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:52 pm

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In post 1662, McMenno wrote:scumbuds spotted
Bunnysuicide.jpg
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Post Post #1665 (isolation #104) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:53 pm

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On further thought it's not quite time to break out the bunny suicides yet
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #105) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:36 am

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Greyice is hilarious.

Never change.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #106) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:28 am

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is there any point to that question at all

i would say "rolefishing before you die" but it's not even useful rolefishing

she also already answered that question
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #107) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:22 am

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In post 1709, RedCoyote wrote:Changing reads is fine, but if you're going to do a complete 180, then I need to see how you got there. I don't see that here.
that's a reach, and i'm willing to bet it's far from the only time it's happened in this game

but i guess you've got to prop up that pet mislynch ;)
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #108) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:47 am

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In post 1718, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Can you point me to where mastin specifically listed the order? Because if Sub was not the first on the list I have a real, real hard time believing mastin ordered them by usefulness. Sub is 100% must have material.
I thought she stated she went down the list in the order they appeared. It's possible I might have imagined that.
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Post Post #1734 (isolation #109) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:07 am

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In post 1728, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Meh. I mean if he didn't want the Sub because it is still Nuking why bother submitting it. Clearly unless he put it first he wasn't getting it. Which makes me think that whole post might be more song and dance than anything else.
My understanding is that her objective was to ensure every troop was taken and grab any troop that was not taken by submitting all of them. In that case, no reason not to.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #110) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:56 am

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that's not even in the top 10 reasons why he's scum but it can be on the list!
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:38 am

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I think we both said that. I think Ircher is a little on the VI side, whether he thinks so or not, and even though his posts are tonally... very much nope, I think that's his personality. I don't think what he's spent his time on this game has been particularly useful and I rarely agree with him, but I don't know that I agree with a lot of the attacks on him either, and I'm not going to try and unflipped associative him with Vaxkiller but I can see him getting attacked for being a scumbuddy or a WK either way so I don't know what he has to gain from it as scum. Also, I think him announcing his role and draft choices, while antitown, is not scummy
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:40 am

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that said, please don't take this as a full scale defense or strong townread, because it's not, but my inclination currently is that he's a lynchbaity player (and to be fair will probably get nuked either way so... whatever)
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:50 am

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and making me SAD
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:04 am

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there is also the part where it's hard for me to care about something i didn't read, but that might just be me

any sufficiently long and meta-based argument is unlikely to convince anyone who hasn't had your exact same experience of anything
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #115) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:43 pm

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In post 1809, Accountant wrote:All the talk about RC being scum seems terrible and fluffy at best and an attempt to shift the wagon off UT at worst. I don't agree that Vax vs SAD is a bus; I can't imagine SAD would try to bus by asking a dumbass question and pretending to scumread Vax for it, especially not since this kind of bus out of nowhere is almost certainly planned in the scum PT.

@Cheetory: Nukebringer should still be burned to ashes. Don't take your eyes off the prize.
UT isn't even the main wagon don't do that subconscious agenda thing.

Submarine is not useless, if you think it is think harder

Scumreading posts like that Spiffeh post is pretty low level play
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:45 pm

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No, only the first part of that was directed at you though
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Post Post #1885 (isolation #117) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:41 pm

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In post 1844, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1454, Cephrir wrote:VOTE: mcmenno
Is McMenno really your biggest scum read?

I expect better from you :(
He's really scummy

I don't know if I have a big deal scumread just yet, I can't make these things happen, at least I'm doing better than my last game
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Post Post #1886 (isolation #118) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:44 pm

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Unless you count red coyote as a big scumread I guess he's a decent sized presence
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Post Post #1887 (isolation #119) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:46 pm

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In post 1874, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1754, xRECKONERx wrote:RC is probably scum too for calling SAD/LLD town v town.
I think SAD/LLD is town v town
I think people like saying this too much and it's basically impossible to determine, unless you're saying you just think they're both town independent of the argument in which case use different words

But I don't think anyone in the world will agree with me on that
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Post Post #1949 (isolation #120) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:11 am

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In post 1909, Ircher wrote:
In post 1890, McMenno wrote:
In post 1702, RedCoyote wrote:In post 1464, McMenno wrote:

In post 1456, Ircher wrote:
VOTE: McMenno


why did you piggyback off of cephrir's vote instead of voting redcoyote or something_smart, which I'm sure could have a wagon built on them?



And you concluded it was a piggyback vote how?
wanted to address this in particular, you see he votes me immediately after cephrir does without any commentary then later tries to play it off as an rvs-y vote instead of you know... "yeah I was scumreading you and saw cephrir's vote as an opportunity to start a wagon on you"

and could you please be consistent? your posts sound like they're made by different players

oh and there's a difference between "scummy" (whatever that means) and "scum"
McMenno's scum; he's pushing for my lynch with some of the crappiest reasoning there is.
If this reasoning is crappy, why don't you just debunk it?
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #121) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:16 am

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In post 1930, Something_Smart wrote:More like, as long as nobody cares what I have to say. And no, pretending to care by complaining about me not contributing isn't enough.
aw, muffinnnnn! do you need me to hold your haaaaand???

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Post Post #1954 (isolation #122) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:50 am

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In post 1953, Something_Smart wrote:(And I do think some of my posts have been reasonably good, especially if you read into them as shallowly as UT read into 26.)
????
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #123) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:21 am

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In post 1958, Something_Smart wrote:To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?
you are literally insane
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Post Post #1971 (isolation #124) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:23 am

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welcome to mafia

people have strong opinions

if someone replaced in and came out and said CHEETORY6 IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM WTF GUYS, for example, I'd be mildly surprised, but I would buy that someone could potentially think that
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #125) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:24 am

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ss is just scum isn't he
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #126) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:32 am

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@vax

a) rhetorical question
b) if it wasn't, i wouldn't be asking you

@ss

...really? that's the best you can come up with? i argued with your logic so you're just gonna call it ~discrediting~ and move on

nice buzzword i guess??
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #127) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:32 am

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can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #128) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:42 am

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In post 1980, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful
lynch what? I don't want to assume you are talking about me so you have to make a post about it.
SS

not that you don't deserve lynching too, so... :/
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #129) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:11 am

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In post 1983, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1977, Cephrir wrote:@ss

...really? that's the best you can come up with? i argued with your logic so you're just gonna call it ~discrediting~ and move on

nice buzzword i guess??
I mean

I can't really argue with . If you actually think that his read on me is legit, then I guess you can keep thinking that. But I really feel like it isn't.

And you're being hypocritical, too; you're saying I can't scumread UT for having a read that he can't back up well, while scumreading me for having a read that I can't back up well.
Sooooo you couldn't argue with it, didn't have a problem with it, and decided to throw mud at me for funsies?

That is not what I said. Nor is it what you said, as far as I can tell. You said you don't believe anyone could possibly sincerely have you as their top scumread. I said that I think it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to have anyone else as their top scumread, at least insofar as I wouldn't say I DON'T THINK BELIEVING THIS IS POSSIBLE. So... that doesn't appear to be why you were scumreading UT at all?? Literally making shit up. Ircher has you as a poorly explained top scumread too; do you think they have to be both be scum because having you as a top scumread sincerely is literally impossible? In a moment you're going to have to start calling me scum too because I'm getting there.
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #130) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:37 am

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:igmeou:
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Post Post #2011 (isolation #131) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:55 am

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In post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:Anyway, it just boggles the mind how anyone couldn't come to this conclusion or think to do any sort of research on it at all.
what a bizarre aggressive assertion.
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #132) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:56 am

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In post 1995, RedCoyote wrote:They're both town in spite of their aggression toward one another.

It's relevant and easy to understand, so of course you'd be against it.
I understand what it means.

Oh boy we're gonna be like that! Great
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #133) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:00 am

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i feel like rc is painting me as out to get him so i seem like a fringe element :/
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #134) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:00 am

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.......
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #135) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:02 am

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you just listed me outside the scum section of your read list and now i'm white knighting?

i don't even know what olive branch you're talking about but that makes it sound like i'm just such a jerk because i won't retract my scumread. i'm just such a meanie pants for having an opinion.
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #136) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:04 am

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no one put eavesdropper first ._.
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #137) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:07 am

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Post Post #2041 (isolation #138) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:44 am

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it's mastin

you're not gonna get an explanation, don't waste your time
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #139) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:51 am

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In post 2042, Ircher wrote:I want the explanation; I'm tired of people being "That's scum" without even attempting to explain/show how/why that person is scum.
One time I spent a whole game trying to get mastin to say something other than "because it looks like scum"

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Post Post #2056 (isolation #140) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:34 am

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rich analysis thanks
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #141) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:13 pm

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it's also possible they decided to mess around with it just so he would have something compelling to claim.

I'm not opposed to at least letting it go a few days, though.
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:24 pm

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In post 2069, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:If we let this go what's stopping us from letting anyone who roleclaims go :neutral:

There's 13 roles obv scum got some...

Pedit:@Ceph
Probably only... 4? shouldn't be lynched today, but admittedly eavesdropper isn't really one of them.

That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves. I will not claim to be certain of that or anything and I'm not really gonna throw a hissy fit if we lynch it anyway.

Of course there's nothing stopping him from being the terrorist, really.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #143) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:25 pm

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And yeah, sure, taking it for WIFOM isn't bad by any means, but it might be worth seeing if we get anything useful out of it between now and defcon 1.
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #144) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:30 pm

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In post 2077, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 2073, Cephrir wrote:That role just might make him town, since it seems likely scum would choose to play around it rather than waste a spot on it themselves.
No

He didn't waste a spot on it.

He put it second.

He was contesting cop first.

I don't see why scum wouldn't put a role that isn't THAT great for them but they might still have a shot at it second.
In post 2078, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1978, Cephrir wrote:can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful

Code: Select all

[v]SS[/v]
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #145) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:46 pm

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In post 2095, GuyInFreezer wrote:I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.
Will too.
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #146) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:04 pm

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In post 2101, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Stop correcting my head cannon with facts!!!!!
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #147) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:05 pm

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VOTE: S_S

If I can get this, great, if I can't, I'll wait.
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #148) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:31 pm

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In post 2158, Something_Smart wrote:so are you
I loled
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #149) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:48 pm

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In post 2177, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2174, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?
I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #150) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:12 am

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In post 2236, RedCoyote wrote:3) I don't think the scum team would've wanted Vax to be the Espionage/Eavesdrop manipulator.
dont really think this is a great point

not sure i buy any of them, but i would think he'd be a good choice for this role if anything. then they don't have to care if he dies, and this could give him towncred he needs to not
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #151) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:13 am

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ss needs death very badly
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #152) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:15 am

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because nukes are fun and it's not like youre making endgame anyways
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #153) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:21 am

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A) I would rather lynch SS
B) Scum are never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, going to waste a kill on you if you're town
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Post Post #2249 (isolation #154) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:34 am

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In post 2246, Vaxkiller wrote:Ugh is that all you want is just to get to the end game?
caught for the wrong reasons?
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Post Post #2262 (isolation #156) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:15 am

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he seems to like handwaving scumreads. i love being patronized, so it's very enjoyable.

i sure can't decipher the rest of 2261
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Post Post #2263 (isolation #157) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:15 am

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maybe mcmenno posts in cipher and if you know the code he actually says things that are town
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Post Post #2266 (isolation #158) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:18 am

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i think he's been quite good at communicating that his role pm is red
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Post Post #2362 (isolation #159) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:22 pm

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mastins gonna mastin.
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Post Post #2392 (isolation #160) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:56 pm

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In post 2365, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2362, Cephrir wrote:mastins gonna mastin.
Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N
Not really, but I don't think she's scum either.
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #161) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:58 pm

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In post 2377, Nukebringer wrote:
In post 2374, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.
i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.
I don't actually think she is being particularly toxic?
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Post Post #2398 (isolation #162) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:00 pm

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In post 2379, mastina wrote:There's four players I trust to be town (Cephrir, Accountant, MoI, and Spiffeh), but all of them are basically sheeping the wagon rather than having contributed meaningfully to it. (Well MoI might've, but most of those votes were explicitly sheep votes.)
Hey, I resent that. I have suspected him the whole game.
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #163) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:02 pm

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In post 2395, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2392, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2365, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2362, Cephrir wrote:mastins gonna mastin.
Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N
Not really, but I don't think she's scum either.
Far be it for me to ask you to explain a town read, because I think that's just anti town, but...

Do you think this read could be a symptom of Mastin being so fucking bad that you're giving her a pass?

Because I have to say, Mastin was always bad before but this game she's just kicked it up to new levels of terrible, and it makes me question what the motive for that ACTUALLY is, and I'm aware Mastin's given answer will be "I just want to troll" but Mastin seems to care a whole fucking lot for someone who is just trolling until they can nuke someone?
I expect her to play a certain way and I think she is now playing that way. I'll choose not to comment on the quality thereof since either or both of you would yell at me or be sad if I did that.
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Post Post #2412 (isolation #164) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:05 pm

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Mastin basically just uses a lot of words to express reads that amount to just saying what the read is over and over again. I have tried to get reasons out her before and learned it is a pointless endeavir. At best, you will get another long post about what the read is. It's frustrating until you learn to just bypass that and not do it.
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Post Post #2414 (isolation #165) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:07 pm

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Also, she is going to get nuked on the first day of nukes, so there's not all that much point in me worrying about it
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Post Post #2511 (isolation #166) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:50 pm

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:/
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Post Post #2580 (isolation #167) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:00 am

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Lynch lynch lynch

Wagon wagon wagon

Kill kill kill.
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Post Post #2589 (isolation #168) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:31 am

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In post 2586, GreyICE wrote:This is honestly the vote count?

Balls to that.

Vote: Mastina


LLD is scum.
LLD is scum with mastin, or you just want to lynch mastin for shits?
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Post Post #2627 (isolation #169) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:21 pm

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You're arguing that she's dumb now, not that she's scum
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #170) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:35 pm

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Mcmenno lynch still very high quality
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Post Post #2700 (isolation #171) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:19 am

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Ordinarily I would say who would be that obvious, but I guess it's conceivable if someone would look pretty bad already from a ss scumflip
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Post Post #2712 (isolation #172) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:58 am

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Well which is it
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Post Post #2769 (isolation #173) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:49 am

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Oooo girl that's spicy.

Agreed that no one should counterclaim. I'm not cocky enough about my read to lynch that, I think

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Post Post #2796 (isolation #174) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:15 am

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I think we shouldn't talk too much about our opinions regarding the chances ss is scum who drafted espionage vs scum who didnt. If the latter is the case it could narrow down who actually has espionage.
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Post Post #2820 (isolation #175) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:19 pm

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of course he is

pedit: you're right; i don't think the other leading wagon is especially likely to be on scum. what am i supposed to do about it? it really doesn't seem possible to start another wagon right now

then again, thinking that makes it true
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Post Post #2821 (isolation #176) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:20 pm

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i want to just lynch SS anyway, does that make me a bad mafia player?
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Post Post #2825 (isolation #177) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:42 pm

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In post 2822, Untrod Tripod wrote:...so why aren't you voting him?
At the moment, I'm not because I admit it's a considerable risk, and even when I have a strong read, I doubt myself because that's what I do. Even if I look confident, most of the time I'm not, and I hate feeling stupid, which is what would happen if I turned out to be wrong. On the other hand, mislynching you instead because someone used the word optimal and that triggers me wouldn't be much better.

You would think my previous observations that I actually scumhunt fairly well when I allow myself to act more confident than I really feel would have changed this by now.
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Post Post #2826 (isolation #178) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:45 pm

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I suppose there's a reasonable chance town-cop SS gets roleblocked to hell here anyway. And when we talk about optimality, we've been leaving out the change in EV from both having a town lynch and not having a scum lynch to examine and use.
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Post Post #2827 (isolation #179) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:46 pm

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Do we think that scum allowed Vax and SS to both get run up as both scum? If they're both scum, then scum should probably have been doing everything in their power to prevent this SS wagon.

Not really a question for today, though.
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Post Post #2828 (isolation #180) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:47 pm

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VOTE: S_S

i'll probably change this in an hour when i start feeling bad about it
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Post Post #2849 (isolation #181) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:10 pm

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In post 2838, GreyICE wrote:Yeah but like motivation

Town want to find scum. Getting investigated doesn't find scum
Scum want to not be found. Getting investigated doesn't help that
SK wants to survive. A result of "not-mafia" helps.

And like... man, normally when you're polarizing you just tell them to go dunk their heads in the nearest magma flow.
The cop can investigate for town/not town can't it
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Post Post #2929 (isolation #182) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:41 pm

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VOTE: redcoyote

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Post Post #2930 (isolation #183) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:42 pm

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Not sure why Zito is an investigation target he's a null town for me
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Post Post #2931 (isolation #184) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:43 pm

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Whoever asked greyice seems townish to me too
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Post Post #2943 (isolation #185) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:12 am

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In post 2932, RedCoyote wrote:I don't like this claim at all, but we have to move forward.

UNVOTE: Something_Smart; VOTE: Untrod Tripod

UT has an okay shot at flipping scum, but it's dwindled in my mind in light of some of the more outlandish attacks against him (namely, SAD's). It also speaks to me that Reck has since backed away from this wagon, indicating that he's having second thoughts.

The main problem is I'm not confident enough in SSscum that I'd be willing to chance it.
How do you make this post and not arrive at the conclusion you should pursue a third option.
In post 2934, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm somehow more convinced that S_S is scum and less willing to lynch him than before.
Zzzz.
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Post Post #2952 (isolation #186) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:56 am

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pretending to be someone else while i play works pretty well for me but it's also exhausting!
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Post Post #3051 (isolation #187) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:57 pm

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In post 3003, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 3001, Accountant wrote:Kill vax quick
If I were scum I would just shut the fuck up and not give opinions, because most people have been ignoring me for the past few days while i have been just posting updates with unvotes and votes during turkey day
So... exactly what you've been doing until a couple people voted you last page?
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #188) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:02 pm

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In post 3047, Cheetory6 wrote:Not even the point.
The lack of reaction to it, especially considering you're apparently scumreading so many people who have pushed you is just limp as fuck.
In post 3048, GreyICE wrote:Now what I have an issue with is that 100% of his content after the voting started was either threatening people who were voting him or pleading with people to townread him. I mean look at his interaction with you and me. He asks me to ask him questions, and he's more or less begging you not to scumread him.

Why me = fry me
In post 3049, Cheetory6 wrote:I would be so fucking vindictive if I rolled cop and I was forced to claim D1 and I thought the people pushing me were scum.
You're a limp noodle and if you weren't claiming what you were claiming I would be shoving a vote onto your face and shouting at other people to as well but I'm a scared little shit who doesn't want to lynch a copclaim so here we are.
Why the fuck are we not just lynching ss
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #189) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:04 pm

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I see how that post could be genuine emotion. I don't know if that makes it plainly town emotion. I will admit it gives me pause, but it is just two words and the first non scummy post I've seen him make
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #190) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:09 pm

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I mean, I'm still up for lynching vax. If he flips scum, I'll be less interested in pursuing ss.
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #191) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:55 pm

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This is a different version of greyice. Its a good change.

I don't actually know what to make of that exchange but it's one if those things you know will later turn out to have been important. I guess I still think everyone involved is town. Possibly more than I did previously.
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Post Post #3181 (isolation #192) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:27 am

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:(

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Post Post #3185 (isolation #193) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:01 am

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sometimes a scum is just a scum
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Post Post #3211 (isolation #194) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:52 am

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Post Post #3247 (isolation #195) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:12 am

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In post 3240, RedCoyote wrote:SAD essentially begged any counters to SS to remain quiet. Whether or not that was reasonable is necessarily called into question with SS' flip, for better or for worse.
Is this necessarily pro-scum? I can see both sides, I guess, especially seeing as there doesn't appear to be a scum roleblocker (though I suppose Smalltown could throw a wrench in that theory)
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Post Post #3249 (isolation #196) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:16 am

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Mm. That's not great. It could just show S_S being shitty scum who forgot his own reads.

I'm probably going to look back a little myself before I go voting anywhere.
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Post Post #3254 (isolation #197) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:22 am

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Although I disagree about the usefulness of scum's read lists that is a pretty good case
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Post Post #3274 (isolation #198) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:37 am

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I'm reviewing how the Vaxkiller wagon became the S_S wagon. Scum had what was most likely a mislynch in their grasp, and let it slip away... what happened?

I like Ircher for posting a case on McMenno on the same page as Vax claiming eavesdropper. He was admittedly not voting for Vax in the first place, but this distraction probably didn't hurt, even though the case was dreadful despite being on someone I suspect. He then attempts to start a back and forth and gets into a fight with mastin about it.
In post 2062, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Anyway I still support a Vaxkiller lynch.

Him being eavesdropper changed very little. And so does his list. Scum would be contesting town roles anyway.

And Vax's posts, even of true, indicate scum are hiding their posts and self aware. so even in the slim possibility he is town we aren't losing much.
Interesting.

I hate to admit it, but RedCoyote trying to prevent Vax's lynch based on his claim then being one of the first votes on SS looks pretty good now.

Ordinarily I am a little bit less willing to ignore the possibility of players bussing and trying to look good for later, but SS having a nuke makes his survival until nuke phase noticeably better for the scumteam. If they could stop that lynch without sacrificing too much they definitely would have wanted to, and IMO that's why the early phases of his support starting is important. GIF is already obviously town so that's not helpful. UT and Accountant have relatively early chime-ins on moving that over as well. Then we have SAD coming in with one of the first UT votes... that sure does seem an awful lot like realizing Vax isn't going to work and looking for an alternative to SS.

Is it really that easy?
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Post Post #3280 (isolation #199) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:40 am

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I already thought Cheet and GreyICE were town, and scrolling past 3052 makes me feel that way more.
In post 3061, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Here lets try this

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