DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Cheetory6]

Someone convince me why Total War is better.

[Cheetory6]

Total War == SK kill starting N1, mafia kill starting N1, everyone has abilities who chose them, everyone can shoot whenever they want.
Otherwise == SK kill starting N1, mafia kill starting N2, everyone has abilities who chose them, everyone can only shoot on D3.
I think?

[Cheetory6]

oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )

[Cheetory6]

Spiff is confirmed SK.
No need to thank me.

[Cheetory6]

Oh wait what seriously?
That's fucking dumb/hilarious.

[Cheetory6]

Looks like it's either you or me Ceph.

[Cheetory6]

Joke's on them.
Mcmenno's clever plan never accounted for us both being scum.

[Cheetory6]

I suppose we could use the dayvigs like extra lynches?
In which case could not effectively do like.. five lynches a day or more?

[Cheetory6]

Like, what's to stop town from just powerlynching through the playerlist with nukes?
Time limitations?

[Cheetory6]

Can even force people on the chopping block to be the ones to drop the nukes so they can't hail mary as they die.
o.o

Am I missing something here?

[Cheetory6]

Why not? We could hash out deadlines and be organized about it.
I'm probably barking up the wrong tree with this game and playerlist but I mean, theoretically this setup could be easy as fuck to basically give town so many more lynches than they normally get.

[Cheetory6]

Oh fuck true. I forgot not everyone is going to take nukes [though there's really nothing stopping anyone from not taking nukes other than the fact that people aren't going to follow a set plan like that in practice].

[Cheetory6]

I think I'm more thinking about breaking the setup in theory than I am practically thinking about how this is going to go down.
I think the biggest thing I'm going to practically want is that nobody shoots a pet scumread without a little bit of talk first.
I'm probably going to stop thinking too much about the setup because thinking in detail about how this will play is probably stupid.

[Cheetory6]

Like when I nuke cheet for being a wet blanket

You'll miss me.
</3

[Cheetory6]

Something_Smart.
Can you give some thoughts on the setup or some reads?

[Cheetory6]

Seems like the mechanics are different there?

[Cheetory6]

Scum are more likely to dislike the random element of TOTAL WAR and oppose it

This is barf.
Are you actually standing behind that stance in practice? Because I would expect scum to be pretending to be cautious in doing something like this, not to actually try to oppose Total War for some mechanical purpose.

I have a feeling we are not going to get along

Why can't you just be happy for me?

[Cheetory6]

D1-D2, we get:
2 lynches
2 SK night kills
1 Mafia night kill

Total war, we get:
2 lynches
2 SK night kills
2 Mafia night kills
2 day kills from whomever gets the submarine, which is almost assuredly going to be the SK and someone else
Any additional town-directed nukes identify to the mafia/SK who may or may not have PRs

I read this super wrong.
For some reason I read the 2 SK night kills and 2 mafia night kills business as all being in one night q.q
Don't mind me.

[Cheetory6]

That's actually great.

I was just lurking the scumPT and it seems like they were pretty overly indifferent towards whether it was no Total War or Total War.
Maybe it was different in thread, but there was no concerted effort to make something happen there one way or another. Just seemed like they were having fun at this stage.

[Cheetory6]

If this were a tryhard group, I would be voting no Total War.
That isn't the case so I'm feeling kind of meh.

[Cheetory6]

Actually :
"Do what you would normally... but be a little easy to persuade toward it.~ "
So I guess they were leaning towards TOTAL WAR, but again, trying to act normal.
So.
I'm right, Spiff is wrong/maybe scum.

[Cheetory6]

Be more town or I'm gonna personally turn you and your Magical Kingdom into prime real estate.

[Cheetory6]

I'll nuke you after the hydra

You didn't even post a gif you nerd.

Will nuking all the scum be town enough for you?

Clearly I have to stop you before you can.

[Cheetory6]

Lol.

[Cheetory6]

So you had a 2/3 shot of your plan being entirely ruined and effectively ruining the game for you?

[Cheetory6]

12 of the slots in this game are town out of 18.
2/3 odds.

[Cheetory6]

cheetory, i am nuking you

~Fire

Have fun explaining.

[Cheetory6]

mastin, can you talk a little about any kind of thoughts you have wrt LLD scumreading you here?

@Spiff, I can't eat EP scumread here. If you have reasoning can you hit me in the face with it.

im not nuking cheet bc he's cute and cute people get free passes in life so let this be a lesson to everyone or something

I'll probably get stabbed and be an ugly corpse once the apocalypse happens anyways.

[Cheetory6]

It also means that if I actually did bother to give a damn and give reads, they'd be ignored because I'm playing like a fucking village idiot right now so when I die they'll go "she deserved it", "she was asking for it", and so on and they'll be absolutely right to have done so. (Which again, is why I'm apologizing in advance. If I was wrong in my decision to not take this game seriously, I'll accept full blame, full consequences, for having ruined it for others who did.)

I think if you're willing to give reads and play the game to some degree, at least I won't be asking for an apology postgame?
Wouldn't worry about it too much if this isn't just mindgames.

Can you maybe try to articulate your read on LLD a little more clearly? Is it just tone/gut? Or are there specific posts/points/stances that you're taking issue with?

If he was Town he’d have put on his American Denim and voted against it like Reck did.

Is being tentative something you've seen specifically from scumRC?
:/

Maybe because it paints a picture for scum where to aim for important Troops?

Forgot about how troops played into it. Was thinking purely in terms of nukes at the time.

[Cheetory6]

I can't realistically agree or disagree as I'm limited in terms of experience with him.
I guess I'm kneejerking partially because I feel indirectly attacked and also feel wary of the idea of knocking out big voices earlygame >.>

[Cheetory6]

Watched Kid Show to some degree.
I understand in principle that you sometimes have to lynch strong players [and I guess you're right that this game is basically just strong players].
I think I was realistically more frazzled about the assertion that not voting right away is inherently scummy because I don't like being told I'm scummy! But I should probably learn to deal with being scumread more in general so!

P-Edit: You want eavesdropping in the game more than other roles on that list? :/

PP-Edit: Oh. Maybe neon frequency is just too bright for my eyes q.q

[Cheetory6]

It says that I don't understand.
q.q

[Cheetory6]

Did you think anyone would let this shit slip by

Lynch this

If you're expecting Cephrir to be anything but incredibly self-aware as both town or scum, then you're not expecting Cephrir correctly.
He might be scum this game, but it's probably not for reasons like this.

of all the responses to 26

More words on Ceph/Nukebringer reads please.
Also, was your opening a literal reaction test or not? Were you like "har har I'm gonna get these scums with this" or were you like "oh people reacted to my opening I'm gonna analyze that I guess"?

Everything between pages 5 and 16 will remain a mystery

Have you reached a consensus on pages 1-4 and 17 yet?

@Spiff, I can't eat EP scumread here. If you have reasoning can you hit me in the face with it.

Hey

Spiff

.
Hey.
Hey.
..
Hey.

I'm also recently being pinged a biiit by Accountant. My impression of them is that their tone is a lot more authoritative when they're scum and this seems to fit with that.

Some more specific examples of your experiences with town/scum Accountant would be neat.

[Cheetory6]

Not to be crude but it kinda looked like you were sucking UT's dick there

thats exactly what i was doing

Lol.
What in the fuck am I reading.

[Cheetory6]

cheetory is adorable and i just want to take him home with me

it's really tempting to call ircher town for voting against without reading the thread

This is silly.
You silly goose.

Digging further will get me "too scummy to be scum" thing won't it

You should really start getting into this game more because most of your questions/posts feel super uninvested.

GuyInFreezer can be Town

I would love words on this.

@Nahdia

, so are you mostly just waffling on accountant here then? Any updated opinion on their play since your original comment?
Can you summarize what you felt stood out in Accountant's scumplay in the first link? If I'm skimming it I'm not going to get much from it and I really doubt I'm going to have time to seriously metadive anyone this game.
Also, have you played with RECK before?

Basically their post calling me out for something and immediately going back on it gave me scumvibes, it seemed like a pretty random comment to make in general and coincided with you calling one of my posts barf (;_;) so it's it looked like they were trying to curry favor with you/take an easy potshot at me while it was safe

Why does that seem more likely than them seeing something off with something you said and then realizing that you weren't saying what they thought you were saying?

Couldn't eat an EP scumread because gut and it felt like there was nothing there to eat.

Nukebringer is in the sortpile, but I've gotten some lame gut-town pings.

@SS

, still want words on your opening please.

[Cheetory6]

Please never format a post like that again

I'll format your face.
Rate your ability to read EP on a scale of 1-10 based on history.

most of your questions/posts feel super uninvested.

You have sharp senses.

Are you talking about nuking mastin because you think she's scum or because lol?

[Cheetory6]

My current ultra conservative nuke pile is {Something_Smart, Nukebringer}

I could add a few more names if I wanted to go balls to the wall but both of these slots need immediate death

Where are Nahdia, GiF, MOI, Ceph and LLD at on your readscale?
You get extra homework because you criticized my formatting and I'm still really really really really upset about it.

[Cheetory6]

Everyone is so rude.

[Cheetory6]

It doesn't matter? Andrius said he's waiting for people to check in, not vote.

[Cheetory6]

Like I have a decent track record when it comes to reading you and the fact that you try to discredit me right out of the gate instead of allowing me to come to terms with the read myself makes me pretty confident you're not town here

How anyone can be town reading Nukebringer after Firebringer's bullshittery is beyond me

I mean.
He hasn't responded to this [or posted anything else yet].
So I don't really see how you would expect anyone to see this as anything but an unresolved interaction? It's basically him going "i think ur scum because u said im scum" and then you going "now i know ur scum bitchhhhh".
If you want this to be anything more than a petread you should push it better.

Cheet what do you think of Ser Arthur Dayne?

I think he's one of those abrasive personalities that's hard to read if you don't have experience with him.
I look at some posts and think the bravado would be hard to fake as scum and other posts where his logic and reasoning just doesn't reach me at all and I feel like maybe it's fake.
I'm not sure if I'm giving enough of a shit this game to actually look into meta, but I feel like that sort of thing would help with sorting him.

[Cheetory6]

Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.
Doesn't add up.

Cheetory look me in the eye and tell me this read is genuine

I don't need to wait for them to respond because I already explained why it's bullshit

It's awkward? Sure?

At the same time though, you're asking him a question here, which kind of implies you're unsure of the references he's referring to. So, really, it just seems weird that you're overly and absolutely confident in this read. You're taking issue with him keeping track of something like that, when as scum, he's probably very aware of how and when you engaged him, especially if you were a threat to him in other games.
If the way you apply pressure feels different, why would that not be something for someone to be wary of?
Really doesn't seem weird at all to me.

And I can maybe get you latching onto the cutesy thing and feeling like this is discrediting on his end, but like, there's seriously nothing there on either end from either of you in terms of anything compelling as to why either of you are scum that anyone else is going to be able to take seriously.
People are usually defensive when people call them scum.
Both of your reactions to each other calling each other scum just read super null.
So.
Please.
Enough with the rhetoric.
Maybe a little more substance.
Give some concrete examples of townplay where he doesn't employ any cutesy shit or something,

[Cheetory6]

My question to you is – why not ask about my Naked Zito Townread as well?

Not scumreading Zito.
Also not agreeing with your townread on GiF for that, but that shouldn't be surprising.

[Cheetory6]

Kind of leaning SS back towards town.

[Cheetory6]

K.
Well.
Let me know if you want to actually convince me of something.
I'm just gonna wait here for the end of the world in the meantime.

[Cheetory6]

It's not really convincing?
Him being wrong doesn't make him scum. Lol.

If I have the energy I'll look at PYP.
I should probably also take care of myself instead of just refreshing this thread, eating ice cream and playing overwatch though.

[Cheetory6]

Why am I defending someone who is ignoring shit directed at them.

[Cheetory6]

I think the play here is to form a group of universally town read players and punish anyone that tries to nuke within that group with death

Put MOI in there too I think.
Especially in terms of high utility players anyway.

[Cheetory6]

Checkmate LLD.

[Cheetory6]

What's RECK's scumgame typically like?

[Cheetory6]

Lets nuke Cephrir for being a LITERAL PARTY POOPER.

[Cheetory6]

Great question …

Thanks!

[Cheetory6]

Is probably better to use a 1 colour to 1 colour gradient and maybe organize them from most scummy to most townie.
But that's just me/my preferences.

@RC

, any updated thoughts in terms of like.. people's play?

[Cheetory6]

Vi is one of my favourite retired mods.

[Cheetory6]

[Cheetory6]

Apparently under two minutes.

[Cheetory6]

Can I use this?

Sure.
Enjoy it while you can.

[Cheetory6]

I kind of wish the thread had been locked for Defcon 4 phase.

[Cheetory6]

Are you that confident in your ability to read her?
:/

[Cheetory6]

Can you hold my hand/hit me in the face with a bit of your perspective on your read then?

[Cheetory6]

I might bug you again about this later Ceph.
Appreciate time you took to put all that together, just feel like I need some time to see some stuff happen before
I can properly talk to you about everything on my mind there.

[Cheetory6]

Let's see if I can go 0/6
Reck, Dayne, McMenno, Untrod, Nukebringer aaaaaaaannnnndddd...... Fate. (those last three are lowkey shots in the dark)

Any chance you could elucidate on these a bit?
In particular the RECK and Dayne reads.

[Cheetory6]

He's also in mine and apparently RECK's townreads.
I guess all four of us are scum then.

[Cheetory6]

How am I supposed to genuinely read you if you're being so wonderful EP?
You jerk.~

[Cheetory6]

DID YOU WRITE THIS JUSTIFICATION AND THEN PICK A NAME OUT OF A HAT TO GO WITH IT GOD DAMN

This might be my favourite thing in the entire game.

[Cheetory6]

He's town guys.
Didn't you hear him?

[Cheetory6]

cheetory i dont really care to elaborate considering my reads tend to be bad anyway and i know im not long for this world regardless of what i do.

Well clamming up is a good way to continue down that path.
If you're town I would have liked to condense reads and tbh I'm not really understanding why you'd want to stay in the game if the timeline is basically "how long until I'm dead and nobody cares about my reads".
:/

[Cheetory6]

Vote: Vax

[Cheetory6]

Also like guy in freezer, even tho his town post on my was weird.

Hi Vax.
Give me like a bunch of words on this.

Also give me a nice little summary of your interactions with SAD from your perspective.
Here's a super interesting rule though: Don't mention LLD a single time in your summary!
Thanks!

[Cheetory6]

i) Why is nothing suspicious == townread?
ii) What is the lie that SAD told? Be nice and explicit please.

[Cheetory6]

Oh wait reading comprehension fail.
Durrrr.
Do you think that SAD didn't have that point in mind when he asked you those questions?
Why is putting a spotlight on someone scummy?

[Cheetory6]

Also, really just kind of wondering as to why you're not directly addressing him calling you a liar in any capacity other than just calling him scum for what seems like unrelated reasons.
How exactly do you think you appear in that interaction to outsiders? Like.
You enter into the game.
Say "who diddit".
And then say you were looking at votecounts and thus didn't see it when there's a literal tally of people who voted against it in the votecounts.
Why such an indirect response?

[Cheetory6]

So you still don't understand what the issue is.
When I've literally laid it out and it's literally in the post that you're running around quoting from him?

[Cheetory6]

Really struggling to understand your perspective here Vax.
Help me understand.
Explain it like I'm stupid as hell.

P-Edit: Yeah GiF k. If he flips scum though you're dead.

[Cheetory6]

I don't really trust you either way, so not really, no.

[Cheetory6]

You're not even voting someone.
Welcome to high priority level.

[Cheetory6]

GiF I want hard examples of you correctly reading newtown from before this off of gut.

[Cheetory6]

"I don't want to read more than three pages and I don't want to reference even one time I've done something I'm apparently confident enough in myself about that I'm willing to try and solely derail a wagon based on the three pages I've read and my gut".
Yeah.
Let's try and make me pissy this game.
Please.

[Cheetory6]

The chance is, I'm not going to read it anyway today.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Cheetory6]

Truth is that a good case hasn't been laid out on Vax.
I'm not really asking for a wagon to lynch on him.
But you standing in the way of the wagon based on gut with 3 pages of reading into the current gamestate is lame as hell, especially if you willing or able to put any reasonable effort into actually explaining why you're credible here or why we should care.
It's just annoying.

P-Edit: SAD.
I'm really willing to turn this ship around entirely if you pitch Vax as doing shit like rolefishing when he's clearly not.

[Cheetory6]

you're unwilling or unable**
zzzzzzzzzz.

[Cheetory6]

@SAD, it looked a lot more like a shitty joke to me?

@Gif, again.
Just annoying.

[Cheetory6]

Oh wow.
That is definitely.
Ok.

[Cheetory6]

I came back to play mafia for this.

[Cheetory6]

GiF is maybe town.
:/

Zzzzz.

[Cheetory6]

You're voting Vax. You're trying to explain to him why he's scum. He's not getting it. What do you expect, for him to turn around and go "well obviously I'm scum, you've convinced me?" No seriously, what's the point of explaining to Vax why he's scum, as opposed to either questioning him or talking to other townies? This is a very specific type of not productive.

I think it should be pretty clear that this isn't what I was trying to do?
:/

[Cheetory6]

I was trying to get him to walk through why he was avoiding talking about it, because I was unsure whether he was ignoring it on purpose or if he just generally didn't understand what was going on. Former is scum, latter could be either.
The cynical side of me feels like he just doesn't know what's going on at all and it's probably one of those times where that's the easy answer.

Have more thoughts on him that I think I need to let sit.

P-Edit: Frankly, you need to pull out and show those meta references you're making to the rest of the class because I'm not seeing the break in the skill gradient in that example.
Vax's joindate may be 2015, but GiF is kind of right that his playstyle [even in those early posts that you're referencing] give off some vibes of someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
Like, read the contents of that first post.
Read them.
Read them and think about them.

Is it possible that Vax is trying to be a mastermind and pretend he's an idiot?
Sure I guess?
I don't think I've ever seen scum employ that strategy though?

[Cheetory6]

a silly goose

I think there's a Cheetory6 alt in the game.

[Cheetory6]

In the distance, the world's smallest violin can be heard playing.

[Cheetory6]

This post is so horrible. Mastina is terribly anti-town and needs to be nuked at the soonest possible opportunity.

Was there ever any nonzero chance of mastin ever being a nightkill?

[Cheetory6]

I'm asking what the issue is of someone who's basically going to be perpetual nuke/lynchbait [especially as hard as mastin is] claiming their results?
Antitown?
I guess?
Scummy?
Not really at all. Honestly I will be pretty surprised if mastin flips scum.

[Cheetory6]

RC, how often do you get mislynched?

[Cheetory6]

Kind of makes sense given mastin's apparent disinterest in nuking.

[Cheetory6]

Fair enough, I guess I'm kind of getting in your way there. Mibad.
[mastin's a she btw]

[Cheetory6]

RC, how often do you get lynched based on your tone? As town/scum in general.
Is that something that comes up a lot or no?

[Cheetory6]

Have you played with townRC/scumRC before?

[Cheetory6]

Nukebringer maybe town? Starting to like how nice my PoE pile feels.

[Cheetory6]

You're being SAD right now.

[Cheetory6]

You can't expect me to eat your scumpush on Nukebringer when it's entirely self-centered.
[I'm also incredibly stupid because I keep thinking literally every post from Nukebringer is Firebringer when you're right that that was clearly Equinox q.q
Might need to think a little more about it]

I'll give my PoE when I'm home from work.

[Cheetory6]

It makes it pretty difficult for anyone else to digest? Nothing you've pushed on them is tangible enough to affect my read there in any meaningful way.

[Cheetory6]

Well, I thought the last post was from Firebringer because their avatar is awful and misleading and that seemed like the kind of post that scumFire would never make. [though in the back of my head I was kind of confused about Fire being in last Defcon because that seemed like it wasn't a thing but yeah I'm dumb.]

[Cheetory6]

Pool of needs to die soon if they don't IC with their words:

UT
Nahdia
Vax

Pool of why are you doing nothing readable:

Fate
EP
Zito
hiplop
kinda GI
SS
mcmenno

Pool of ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mostly scary people who I don't want to pretend I can read:

LLD
RC
SAD
Subset [not scary people]:
nukebringer
Ircher

Pool of okay for now:

MOI
Spiff
RECK
GiF
Accountant
Cephrir
mastina
Spyrex

Less good of a situation than I was feeling.
There are a lot of people in this game.
:/

[Cheetory6]

Tell me more about how disturbing I am.

[Cheetory6]

Tease.

[Cheetory6]

Nahdia is smart.
I think as scum she would find it pretty easy to generate convincingly earnest content based around being vocal over her intent to get counterintelligence.

[Cheetory6]

In terms of why Nahdia is in the pile of death, it's mostly because she feels like a fake version of herself.
Last game I played with disengaged Nahdia as town, I just.. felt like she was town. It was a situation in which in my mind, scum was practically between her and another player and it wasn't making sense because she felt town in spite of her being disengaged in general.
I have none of those vibes from any of her play when she hasn't been being defeatist this game.

[Cheetory6]

Wait, so your read on nahdia is pure meta?

More gut than meta.
Not really expecting anyone to sheep me on it, or I would be trying to throw something together that would be more convincing.
But I do think it would be trivial for scumNahdia to coast on
a) defeatism
b) counterintelligence discussion
for at least a while without anyone being able to put anything substantive against her in terms of her trying to coast out the earlygame.

P-Edit: You better.

[Cheetory6]

Who is your strongest townread that isn't on my list of people who are okay?
Any updates on scumreads in general?
Also how's it going?

[Cheetory6]

I'd say me but I don't think you'd accept that answer. So I'll go with SAD.

Hit me in the face with why you think I should be townreading both of you more.
Preference for SAD but open to the former too.

I had to spend $500 on my car today that I wasn't expecting to spend. bluh BUT this is my first real nice solid block of vacation time I've had in years and I'm getting lots done around the house it's great.

Not jealous of former, jealous as heck of latter.
Would love time to get more stuff done right now. Zzzzz.
Hope you enjoy it.

[Cheetory6]

You may not realize this, but I've been pretty actively stopping myself from posting at my usual levels, but I've also been trying to stop myself from only trying to be serious in the process.
Repressing yourself to a high degree can make it harder to get invested.
[Plus I like your snark so you should probably just let some of it out if you are just genuinely finding it hard to get into the game]

[Cheetory6]

You should call me scum UT. It would be really fun.

[Cheetory6]

Vote: UT

Have some incentive .gifman.

[Cheetory6]

I don't support wagons that are driven by SCUM

[Cheetory6]

Is SS being scum a relatively self-centric thing? Because there are people who are coasting about as much as SS is. What makes him scummy where others aren't worth mention?
Thoughts on Vaxkiller/Vaxkiller wagon?

[Cheetory6]

Yeah ok I'm comfortable with my vote.

Why.

[Cheetory6]

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

Yeah sorry no, you don't get to be generic. Words. Why is what he said bad and what sounds forced and be specific.

[Cheetory6]

It's bad because he's calling me scum.
Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that.
He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

What posts from you should have changed his mind?
Why would someone who's been reading the game not be able to have you as their strongest scumread? Do you think you've done something that makes it clear that you're town?

[Cheetory6]

You being like "every person with any level of rhetoric pushing me is scum" is bad.

[Cheetory6]

Why did we vote against nukes.

[Cheetory6]

espionage, eavesdrop, sub, strat missle defense, missle silo

Why for all these picks.
Especially the first two.

[Cheetory6]

Still waiting on why you made those picks Vax.

[Cheetory6]

To find scum, I figured I would try to get this for my 1st pick

How would this find scum.

[Cheetory6]

I'm stupid.
Forget I asked.

[Cheetory6]

RIP Spyrex.

[Cheetory6]

GI/LLD. Can you elaborate on this PYP reference?

[Cheetory6]

Ircher is probably town after all

wat

[Cheetory6]

LLD, can you rate the confidence in your scumread of Vaxkiller on a scale of 1-10?

[Cheetory6]

Sure.

[Cheetory6]

Mastin continues to post like no one is asking her questions.

Mastin continues to ignore any kind of interaction.

That's pretty standard mastin, no?

[Cheetory6]

I really don't think mastin is
A) pretending to troll
B) actually trolling
at this point.

P-Edit: mastin played the exact same way as town in Signs and Void.
I don't see your point if your point is to say she's scum.

[Cheetory6]

I'm not calling her town because of it.
I'm saying with the context of mastin's play, your case isn't convincing at all.
There's no angle that you're pushing that means anything to anyone who doesn't already just want mastin dead for being mastin.

[Cheetory6]

I actually just think that her unwillingness to address people is pretty standard from what I expect from her play in general.
She's a self-centric player.
She doesn't ask questions or necessarily answer questions.
She has thoughts and presents them and that's that.

If I'm giving her a free pass it's arguably more because I just don't feel like she's scum and there are other people who feel scummier?

[Cheetory6]

Has anyone thrown around a townread on UT?

[Cheetory6]

@UT

, can you talk about RECK and his read on you a bit?

[Cheetory6]

also UT just donated to my gofundme so he gets a pass for today, sorry folks

Booooooooo

[Cheetory6]

@UT

, can you talk about RECK and his read on you a bit?

Also words on Nukebringer too please.

[Cheetory6]

You wish you were Gorkington.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: mastina

FYI everyone consider yourself hated i will hammer all wagons no claims

"hi guys im trying to end d1 thats why im voting a wagon thats not gonna happen"

[Cheetory6]

Is this like America where I feel like I understand how people will vote but then all of a sudden oh my god why is everything on fire

[Cheetory6]

Nukebringer, why do you like UT wagon more than SS wagon?

[Cheetory6]

Literally everyone in the game with any level of experience with UT has said "guy seems like he's trying to be UT this game".
RECK literally made a case-wall and UT's response to it was awkward and floppy.
All kinds of passive resistance to his wagon.

But okay.
Let's lolwagon someone for their opening post.

[Cheetory6]

Actually, I am a little nervous that there's a sizable contingent of players who would lynch anything that moves just to get this game out of Day 1, but, again, I'm not moved enough to do anything about that. I'll maybe consider it after someone flips (would someone please flip).

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I hate you Spiff.

[Cheetory6]

Tell me what you think about UT/Nukebringer being scum together.

[Cheetory6]

keep this in mind for later as UT was long pushed as an alternative that only collapsed when it became relevant

Is this bothering you?

[Cheetory6]

it's not a lolwagon. I see that post as looking like nervous scum. It's a serious vote for me.

K neat. You're probably the only vote of the last 4-5 that doesn't come across like a lolVote.
Do I get a response from you on Nukebringer and RECK now?

[Cheetory6]

What happened to kill all hydras? Shouldn't that have been extra applicable when they jumped on your bandwagon for no reason while giving more attention and more questions to SS?

[Cheetory6]

I think there's a really definitely distinct chance that GI took my reads and flipped them upside down.

[Cheetory6]

Has your read on UT changed or what?

[Cheetory6]

I'm pretty low energy but still pretty town.
You're also a hypocrite.

Lets destroy mastina and nahdia.

No. And maybe.

It's fine but it seems like everyone and their dog is on board which is very unexpected

I feel like this isn't a thing?

[Cheetory6]

Is there a point to slinging shade at me here?
Could get it if you were actually asking me something or prodding at something specific I've done, but just saying "look at how not town you are being" is annoying.

[Cheetory6]

@Spiffeh, Cheetory, Reck: What are your thoughts on mastina?

Leaning town.
I've given plenty of thoughts on her before now that you can find by clicking the ISO button.

[Cheetory6]

Does this mean that UT wagon is officially the viable wagon? Choo choo?

[Cheetory6]

Your vote would make UTwagon bigger.

[Cheetory6]

That's literally right now.
How is your name accountant.

[Cheetory6]

claimclaimclaimclaimclaimc

[Cheetory6]

How does it feel to be a member of an inferior wagon?

[Cheetory6]

A complaint you can levy at like 4/5ths of the people playing this game right now. What biting criticism.
Claim.

[Cheetory6]

Thanks man.

[Cheetory6]

That's okay I didn't want your forgiveness anyways.

[Cheetory6]

zzzz.

Unvote

[Cheetory6]

GiF are you townreading UT?

[Cheetory6]

ISO/metadived S_S. Have a big 'ol wall of thoughts on him. Which basically amounts to:
i) His meta is pretty varied and the only consistent thing I could really hold was that his scumgames are lessy wordy than his towngames. Might be something said about awkward tone being a factor in some of his scumgames, but his last Large as scum was played pretty straight. I didn't see a game where S_S was pressured right out the gate nonstop.

ii) S_S has literally been OMGUSing everyone who's seriously pushed him and his reads have also been pretty static.

iii) His later posts in the game are pretty bad. Not particularly confident if it's exhausted-town-bad or scum-bad though.

iv) His jump off of Vaxkiller onto UT happens at a time that kind of feels less likely to come from scum.

I don't really feel strongly either way [which is kind of depressing when I just threw a lot of effort at this q.q].

Hoping to condense my thoughts on the rest of the gamestate tomorrow into something palatable and then I'm probably voting anything null or lower that can hit critical mass.

[Cheetory6]

and then I'm probably voting anything null or lower that can hit critical mass.

:V

[Cheetory6]

I'm somehow more convinced that S_S is scum and less willing to lynch him than before.
Zzzz.

[Cheetory6]

Vote: Vaxkiller

This is where I'm at with claims on the table and the fact that most of his posting since his claim has just been him dropping role-related things or otherwise just going with the flow.

[Cheetory6]

Same with if he is scum with cop.

Will it though?

[Cheetory6]

Goddammit.

UT's town.

If the options are lynching UT or lynching Something_smart, I'll pick lynching UT any day over lynching Something_smart, but UT's flipping town.

His latest posts have been p townish, yes.

But again,

I really don't want any more claims today.

When did Vax go off the table for you and why?

[Cheetory6]

Believe in yourself cheety! That said your vote is pretty good too

You can rely on the fact that I will eternally be a coward.

[Cheetory6]

Actually isn't the worst possible roll for a lynch.
I'm kind of in the same headspace as most people that more claims is probably bad at this point though?

1856 was particularly bad.

I thought I had a better PoE pile going at the time and Spiff had asked me to compile it when I'd mentioned it before, so I did.
I go through phases of being confident in reads and phases of feeling fuzzy on everything.
I've been in the fuzzy stage for a while and will probably be there until we have some flips.
[And I know that makes me an idiot given how slow/safe I like to take things but that's probably not something I can change beyond putting on a mask and pretending that I'm not me.]

[Cheetory6]

Your powerpoint presentation needs more slides.

[Cheetory6]

Where are the slide transitions?
What the fuck

[Cheetory6]

HOW MANY DICKS CAN CHEETORY FIT IN HIS MOUTH

Yum!

[Cheetory6]

I don't really get why changing reads is scummy.
Especially since five days of this game included like.. 2-3 claims and lots of shit happening?

[Cheetory6]

Although we could also highlight many inexplicable things on that list (ErrantParabola is a high town read).

In the third block? That seems like nulltown?
Also the only really egregious read in my books is the Nukebringer read? Otherwise nothing really looks bad at all?

[Cheetory6]

Oh the point was that it doesn't evolve much?
Okay.
I still don't really understand why that makes her scum?
It probably evolved more than S_S's reads have in the past like.. 121 pages..

[Cheetory6]

Like, you're saying "wow this reads list barely evolves in five pages".
Okay.
That's not really anything interesting or compelling at all then.
You promised me an entire power point worth of information and instead I'm left feeling numb inside but honestly that's probably just me feeling numb inside but still.

[Cheetory6]

i dont consider having wildly inconsistent reads to be a scumtell by itself.

Apparently it's that it's wildly consistent.
But then again, something must be there in GI's sick PP presentation because 2 people jumped on board just like that.
Bam.
Convinced.
Ayoooooooooooooo.

[Cheetory6]

I guess it was technically just one.
I'm still just bewildered that people are voting mastin because she's essentially apparently unlikeable.
Because that's seriously what this fucking feels like.
And it's fucking dumb.

[Cheetory6]

mastina is arrogant with her reads as town.
How is this even a reason for her being scum.
Fucking hell.
Sometimes mafia is just literally a "who likes this person contest".
Can we seriously not do that for once.

[Cheetory6]

Like, your case is basically, "mastina didn't shift her reads in five pages"
Take my reads within any five page gap and they probably changed less than hers did there.
There's literally no point to be made.

[Cheetory6]

Mastina is literally pissing off so many people with stuff she's doing.
If you think that's coasting I don't know what to tell you????>????

[Cheetory6]

I'm tired/drinking.
I still stand by the fact that the changes in those reads don't bother me, especially coming from someone stubborn like mastina.

[Cheetory6]

...............huh?

GI's case is that mastin's reads didn't change within 5 days.
Not that her reads changed a lot in five days.

P-Edit: My brain adjusted the whole 5 pages vs 5 days thing.
I still just don't feel like mastina is scum.

PP-Edit: I mean yeah.
I'm upset that you're being reasonable because you're probably scum but thanks for being reasonable.

PPP-Edit: Is mastin stubborn with her reads as town?

[Cheetory6]

Did she not literally do that with S_S?
Lol.

[Cheetory6]

"I haven't read S_S's posts but he's town"
-mastina playing super boring amirite.

[Cheetory6]

If you see that, okay.
I don't see that lack of heart though.

And you're gonna have a hard time pushing a case through on that short of preying on the fact that mastina isn't well-liked and people lolwagoning her.
I don't think the odds of a scumflip there are good at all.

I would sooner vote UT again.

P-Edit: I don't know.
I want to pretend like Vaxkiller is a good vote but he's pretty okay and more utility.
Nukebringer is probably just flat out scum but I'm pretty waffles on whether more claims would be inherently bad and I'm pretty doubtful in my own ability to read things so yayyyyyy

[Cheetory6]

It's actually from memory tbh.
S_S Isodive is the last I've looked at some in-depth other than skimming Vaxkiller and being pissed that he's just posting role-info.

[Cheetory6]

Yea

[Cheetory6]

I kind of felt like that with his claim.
But otherwise I made a post summarizing how I felt about his overall ISO.
Including his infamous "OMG OPENING SCUM POST GOTCHA BITCH FUCK YOU S_S YOU SCUM FUCK"-post #26.

[Cheetory6]

It's k.
Your opening post is less scummy than your claim and reaction to being run up.

[Cheetory6]

"hey guys im cop but i dont care that i got run up because nbd also im jokey as fuck right now even though people are still trying to lynch me"
-townS-Sdefinitely.

[Cheetory6]

Not even the point.
The lack of reaction to it, especially considering you're apparently scumreading so many people who have pushed you is just limp as fuck.

[Cheetory6]

I would be so fucking vindictive if I rolled cop and I was forced to claim D1 and I thought the people pushing me were scum.
You're a limp noodle and if you weren't claiming what you were claiming I would be shoving a vote onto your face and shouting at other people to as well but I'm a scared little shit who doesn't want to lynch a copclaim so here we are.

[Cheetory6]

Are we ignoring that mastina claimed scum

That's a mastin mannerism.
She's calling GI scum with whoever in that post.

[Cheetory6]

Why the fuck are we not just lynching ss

What if he's town? q.q

[Cheetory6]

I hate you right now S_S.
I hope you understand that if you're somehow actually town.

[Cheetory6]

Are we even playing mafia right now, LLD?
:/

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: S_S
q.q

[Cheetory6]

I feel really stupid saying this, but mastin's out of my townreads with S_S being scum :/

[Cheetory6]

I want Nukebringer dead most from this.
Everything about the wagonhopping between UT and S_S was garbage.

[Cheetory6]

Spoiler:

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Fine with Something_Smart as well. Don't care for role arguments, but Vaxkiller can die in radioactive ash.

I like both equally. I just picked one.
Though to be completely honest right now I prefer the Something_Smart wagon after that disaster of a series of posts, but I'm not bothered enough to switch unless it's a bigger wagon.

Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart

Actually, I am a little nervous that there's a sizable contingent of players who would lynch anything that moves just to get this game out of Day 1, but, again, I'm not moved enough to do anything about that. I'll maybe consider it after someone flips (would someone please flip).

Did I hear the words "bigger wagon"?

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart

If this game gets to page 200 before we even lynch anyone, then I swear by all things that we will nuke Andrius just to end the game for everyone involved.

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Anyone. Really. Anyone.

It's obnoxious to have >60 pages to read... I've been pushing reading this thread to the side....

If you stopped writing tons of notes that become as outdated as textbooks at the thrift shop by the time you post them, then maybe reading will go a lot faster.

:flame: