DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin's scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh and RedCoyote needs nukes to the face before endgame for his current posting. Could be town but it's just essentially quoting a bunch of stuff from 3.0 and trying to make himself look useful.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shit, that's a SK claim.
Um.

Not MAFIA or SERIAL KILLER.

Don't waste nukes on this. This is the day 1 lynch. Sign a check, send it to the bank.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD: Total War... yay or nay?

Currently leaning Total War because pressure is everything and pepole do stupid things when they're afraid people like Fate will nuke them for nothing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also if we're doing the planning roles thing, give me the eavesdrop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also if we're doing the planning roles thing, give me the eavesdrop.

Don't tell me you are scum again LLD. It will make me sad ...

Nah, dude. I just want to redeem myself from last time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah, dude. I just want to redeem myself from last time.

Then why are you wanting the Eavesdrop and not Righteous Nuclear Power?

If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.

If I could find someone who I thought was town but didn't trust with a nuke I'd shove it onto them and take a nuke.

But I don't have that yet, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can you maybe try to articulate your read on LLD a little more clearly? Is it just tone/gut? Or are there specific posts/points/stances that you're taking issue with?

The answer is yes.

LLD is scum because she broadcasted her alignment as bright as a neon sign saying, "HAHAHA, FUCK YOU ALL I'M GOING TO WIN THIS GAME AND YOU ARE GONNA

ENJOY

ME WINNING THE GAME."

what

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.

No I don't recall. I thought you took Eavesdrop.

Grumble grumble making me look way back to find that info ...

Nope, I had a nuke and someone else has eavesdrop and they fed me the codes and I pretended to solve them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

we could be gleefully discussing who gets to nuke mastina first but no

you had to be a special snowflake

Mastina doesn't deserve a nuke, she needs Rope.

SO MUCH ROPE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Watched Kid Show to some degree.
I understand in principle that you sometimes have to lynch strong players [and I guess you're right that this game is basically just strong players].
I think I was realistically more frazzled about the assertion that not voting right away is inherently scummy because I don't like being told I'm scummy! But I should probably learn to deal with being scumread more in general so!

P-Edit: You want eavesdropping in the game more than other roles on that list? :/

PP-Edit: Oh. Maybe neon frequency is just too bright for my eyes q.q

I do want it more than other roles. What does that say to you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright let me clarify some DEFCON history and some things about me.

In DEFCON 3.0 I was a Euroscum who gained town leverage by being the person to crack the code that the scum were using. My code.

In essence, every time Eavsedropper got soething he shipped it to me, I solved it and helped the town.

Eventually, people started asking for me to show my work.

I was too busy with real life, couldn't do it in time, and got nuked.

Why do I want the ability?

Despite the fact that last time I was faking it, I'm still a very good codebreaker and I think I can help the town significantly by having that role.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck why you break hearts
Lld you need to look at the setup changes sorry boo
Fate hearts
Rc wet blanket hearts

Pedit mastin and hip short list nukes

wait what happened

don''t break my heart SpyreX

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH MOTHER FUCKER CRYPTOLOGY IS BANNED

[Lady Lambdadelta]

never mind guess I don't get to code break

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Andrius is codebreaking my heart

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait uh.... that's a thought.

Can we just run people up to lynch and then tell them "if you're town, take your poison"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait uh.... that's a thought.

Can we just run people up to lynch and then tell them "if you're town, take your poison"?

like this feels optimal right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

TOWN
mastina
cheetory
Something-Smart
hiplop
Cephrir

SCUM
SpyreX
Untrod Tripod

k that's all ive got for now

no clue what to think about LLD atm. inclined to believe mastin's read but idk. the whole GIMME THIS USELESS THING SO I CAN BE A CODEBREAKER AND REAL TOWN HELPER seems forced and actor like and ugh.

p.edit: i have no idea what you're talking about

ok so if we decide we want to lynch smoeone and have enough votes to do so,

we can ask them to post the suicide line and they'll kill themselves.

We can then repeat this during the day until we hit someone who doesn't kill themselves, denying scum night kills?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait uh.... that's a thought.

Can we just run people up to lynch and then tell them "if you're town, take your poison"?

? A nuclear missile needs to be headed towards them for someone to suicide.

oh.

Forget this I'm going ot bed and reading this shit fully in the mornin.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

READING IS UNAMERICAN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wanna nuke moi

This is awful play.

MoI is a player who will never live to lylo. Either he'll make a significant impact as town and increase our chances to win, or he's scum and he'll be dealt with one way or another.

Nothing is gained from premptively nuking that slot, so look somewhere else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

'd say I'm good at reading LLD but it turns out I'm garbage.

Throwback to chi meet

pft

The funniest part was when everyone asked him if I was scum, he said yes, and everyone immediately went "ok so LLD is town"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll be fully honest, I'm expecting to be nuked the moment it's an option and I'll be thoroughly disappointed if this game actually requires ~effort~.

That's not the game *I* signed up for!

Is this really town posting, Hippo?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly the sad thing is i think so?

Elucidate. I'm not seeing it and I feel like everyone was content to let Mastin be terribad until I came in and set a fire under her and polarized people's positions on her.

So now the people who strongly believe she's town need to elucidate, because I'm afraid that she's just scum and my gut is right and far superior scum players are coaching and protecting her from my purifying flames.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'd ask Reck to elucidate but he'd probably just respond with:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh and Hiplop, I need confirmation you've read my post wrt nuking MoI. You don't get to do it later and claim to have missed it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Let me take a closer look before i really push this

I'm getting all kinds of bad juju from this.

You were confident enough prior to put mastin on your "solid town" list and yet now here I am putting the slightest pressure on you and that solid town read crumbles?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, Cheetory, Toogeloo

Is there something you're waiting to happen before you vote or..?

Yes, actually. I have papers and and stuff still due and once they're all gone and I can focus a bit harder I'll submit my vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay NAHDIA can go into the same pile as Something Special into VI category.

Nah, you better keep trying to lynch me. If I do end up getting a nuke it's going your way

immediately

.

Yo I'm calling you town.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay NAHDIA can go into the same pile as Something Special into VI category.

Nah, you better keep trying to lynch me. If I do end up getting a nuke it's going your way

immediately

.

Yo I'm calling you town.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were making hella awkward posts though I needed to PRESSURE you like others did for Something Special.

Now you're both in the VI category of low hanging fruit that are prob town.

Now I will SET MY TRAP CARD:

To see who goes for the low hanging fruit.

MoI and Ceph have already fell into it.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aight Keith is down, one less thing to worry about.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote for total war

to nuke spiffeh right fucking back

Aight Keith is down, one less thing to worry about.

*town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

... why did it quote hiplop's post too

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@MoI: Because I don't care what his reasons are. I'm pretty sure he's town on gut and he was wasting his energy and resources on you. I wanted to refocus on him onto more productive paths.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What should I focus on LLD.

Currently you're tunneling on Mastin who it going to die regardless, so you're wasting breath and posts constantly talking about something that isn't advancing the game.

Who else is scummy from your perspective? If you aren't allowed to nuke easy targets, who would you nuke right now from the more vocal players?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MoI your whole interaction with Something Special is really

really

really

fucking forced.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD what on earth is this exclamation point thing

Secrets~~~~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is scum oops have i said that yet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'd ask Reck to elucidate but he'd probably just respond with:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

imma nuke you

Not until day 3 because you voted against total war~.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

THIS LONG WITH NO POSTS IS UTTERLY SHOCKING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm enjoying myself far too much

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it that you're a useless sack of shit?

I like that answer and I know most people agree with me!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it that you're a useless sack of shit?
I like that answer and I know most people agree with me!

This is not a town player addressing a scumread, by the way.

This is a player addressing a player they know to be town.
In a normal game I'd also add it'd serve as an attempt to discredit me, but since in this game I'm not playing like normal I can instead say it's an unnecessary comment in general.

Everyone here already knows that what I have done is shitty.
Commenting on it is ridiculously old news. Nobody needed to do it. Least of all, LLD who had prior advocated for roping me.

Oh I'm not doing it for any other reason to antagonize you.

Let's get that straight.

You're playing like a human trash can and I'm having a lot of fun this game, and every time I read your repetitive worthless posting, it makes me want to claw my eyes out and I stop enjoying the game.

So I do think you're scum, but this is kind of a conversation that is beyond that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Checkmate LLD.

DAME DA, ZENZEN DAME DA!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yah Pumba's town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

because she's scum?

no but whyyyy

I'll go to our pt and ask her

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Firebringer not reevaluating his read on me after proving his earlier reason for scum reading me wrong is a scum claim

In case anyone was wondering

im gonna be real with you

im not reading your argument and i don't give a fuck about it because there's too much meta

i have played with cephrir alot and this is something he only says when he is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD you are killing the beauty of that gif goddammit

I love you too, Reck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

when i finally post the elmo gif this game it'll be beautiful

I'm waiting for it~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna pistol whip thennext person that says VI

Hey Spyrex, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna pistol whip thennext person that says VI

Hey Spyrex, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

I love that movie

Although you should have taken the opportunity to wordsmith that to vi.

So -2 points but still an a

So what something like

"Hey Spyrex, what's the name of that scummer you like with all the goofy avatars on their wiki and the paragon awards"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.

Zero presence of it.

Lol. So much comedy. I don't have to get frustrated with your terrible play because you can be made a glowing crater soon enough.

No worries about useless Town Firebringer being carried to endgame

because he's terrible or Scum Firebringer sliding by on his usual useless play.

I mean if that isn't clear to you probably get a PT with Equinox and have him help you with these obv things.

Hey Magna, don't be elitist~.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey Magna, don't be elitist~.

You forgot to say mean also ...

Tsk tsk ...

Although Firebringer proudly acknowledges his VI status so ...

I JUST CAN'T GET ANYTHING RIGHT CAN I

I'M A FAILURE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spyspy-chan, did you not like my updated vi joke

[Lady Lambdadelta]

eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

:3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I ask why you want to know/ why I should tell you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Jerk~

Why do you want to know and why should I tell you zito?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why do you want to know and why should I tell you zito?

Is there some reason why I shouldn't know?

Beyond people who draw my ire for being bad, or people I want to lynch (like Mastin) why would I give my targets the luxury of announcing my intent to nuke them before I do it?

The reaction is far more potent when suddenly they're being nuked and there's 24 hours for them to convince me I'm wrong or they can join the rest of the pretty glowing radioactive ash.

So give me a good reason why I SHOULD inform you or anyone?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause then i can feel your vibe yo

You should know by now I don't play well with others, Spyspy-chan.

You want to know about the people I want to lynch? By all means.

You wanna bounce reads off me? I'll give you my two cents.

But if you're expecting me to let you see more of how my mind works or where my head is fully at, you're only deluding yourself.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or to say it another way

I am unconcerned with the reads of you or anyone else. I'll win this game whether you read me as town or not, I'm don't care.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or to say it another way

I am unconcerned with the reads of you or anyone else. I'll win this game whether you read me as town or not, I'm don't care.

This kind of attitude might be ok in standard mafia (we could have that funtimes discussion some other time) but it doesn't work in a game full of trigger-happy dayvigs. I'm sure I don't have to explain why.

Also surely it's easy to tell what my actual goal in asking this question is.

Your goal is not nearly as clear as you think it is. It's rather opaque actually.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll admit I specialize in opaque. I'm opaque all the time.

My goal as always is

global domination

win the super bowl*. The key to winning the super bowl* is making sure I'm not throwing the sportsball to the other team.



*I used lowercase letters plz do not sue me NFL.

So what, you want to work with me and are scared you're going to end up being played and looking stupid, is that it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean I hate to say it but figuring me out is not my job, it's yours. If you want things be proactive?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean I hate to say it but figuring me out is not my job, it's yours. If you want things be proactive?

....

was I not

literally

being proactive

omg

what

You are asking me to tell you what I'm thinking in a general sense and I won't do that.

To repeat my earlier post:

"Wanna talk about people I want lynched? sure."

"Want feedback on your reads? I'll give my two cents"

I won't offer up things unsolicited and sometimes I won't even give at all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Have I said lately I like Papa Zito?

Well I do.

I get it, you don't love me anymore.

I-I thought we had something special

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I get it, you don't love me anymore.

I-I thought we had something special

Just because I like Papa's posting doesn't mean I dislike you LLD.

Don't be that way ...

W-What way? HUH? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY HUH?

You're tearing me apart MoI... I-I don't know who you are anymore~

:3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You are asking me to tell you what I'm thinking in a general sense and I won't do that.

Dr. LLD who are you nuking first?

This is the part where I would be shooting bullets through my monitor if I'd gotten machinegun hands like I asked for in 2nd grade.

Thanks a lot mom I still have a monitor AND ANGER ISSUES.

I explained why I wouldn't answer that and if you read here

I mean I hate to say it but figuring me out is not my job, it's yours. If you want things be proactive?

....

was I not

literally

being proactive

omg

what

You are asking me to tell you what I'm thinking in a general sense and I won't do that.

To repeat my earlier post:

"Wanna talk about people I want lynched? sure."

"Want feedback on your reads? I'll give my two cents"

I won't offer up things unsolicited and sometimes I won't even give at all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

See Zito? You're aready developing your own reads on me, you don't need my help!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SpyreX you sound like my mom.

Well you just wanted them so you wouldn't be able to clean your room mr man

Spyspy-chan, on a scale of one to ten how do you feel about RedCoyote 1 being "needs death yesterday"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vax is also town.
This is also 100% gutread from his ISO in general.

^ This guy knows how to play mafia ^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You took the words right out of my mouth, Mastin. That is certainly an invented list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here is an updated tier list

Cheetory, Something Special, Reck

Accountant, Mastina, Greyice, EP, Cephrir, hiplop

Zito, Nahdia, Mcmenno, UT, Nukebringer, RC, lrcher, Fate
Spyrex, MoI, LLD, GIF, Spiffeh, Vaxkiller

Holy shit this second line deserves to get you nuked. Half of those players haven't posted basically anything and then there's Mastin.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I don't believe for a second you actually took the time to sort this list, I think you just took a bunch of random names that you didn't think you could justify putting in your scum pile and tossed them in the middle somewhere

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE, EP and Hiplop have done literal nothing, in essence.

I have a townread on GI for reasons that you can't, so let's go I'd love to hear that one.

Also, waiting on a reason for Mastin being town that doesn't boil down to "scum can't be this bad"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE, EP and Hiplop have done literal nothing, in essence.

I have a townread on GI for reasons that you can't, so let's go I'd love to hear that one.

Also, waiting on a reason for Mastin being town that doesn't boil down to "scum can't be this bad"

HEY SAD

FROM THAT SAME POST YOU JUST CHERRY PICKED A LINE FROM

LMFAO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Holy shit this second line deserves to get you nuked. Half of those players haven't posted basically anything and then there's Mastin.

mastin is town though

do you ever get tired of being wrong or letting "bad" players sneak by you?

Bad does not equate town, stop forgiving idiocy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE, EP and Hiplop have done literal nothing, in essence.

I have a townread on GI for reasons that you can't, so let's go I'd love to hear that one.

Also, waiting on a reason for Mastin being town that doesn't boil down to "scum can't be this bad"

HEY SAD

FROM THAT SAME POST YOU JUST CHERRY PICKED A LINE FROM

LMFAO

Who's GI...

If it's GIF I just explained it in the post I answered you with are you reading my posts serious question.

No.

No you don't get to pretend to be this fucking stupid and not know GI stands for GreyICE.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE DIE. JSUT DIE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

cheetory i dont really care to elaborate considering my reads tend to be bad anyway and i know im not long for this world regardless of what i do.

Well clamming up is a good way to continue down that path.
If you're town I would have liked to condense reads and tbh I'm not really understanding why you'd want to stay in the game if the timeline is basically "how long until I'm dead and nobody cares about my reads".
:/

Essentially I'm pissed off, mostly at myself, because I decided to come into this game with a serious & restrained attitude. And that always just depresses and frustrates me because reasons I don't really wanna get into.

I'll try to elaborate stuff later. Really not in the mood atm. Sorry.

This person is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fine with you thinking that, girl.

Yeah no this person is actually just scum.

Immediately dismissive of the read, attempting to not get caught up in a fight or overreaction with me.

Plus the mindset she was displaying was one that scum present to town to excuse behaviour, not one that town presents to town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like even the verbage is dismissive. "girl" ? Really?

The intent here is very clear.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No.

No you don't get to pretend to be this fucking stupid and not know GI stands for GreyICE.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE DIE. JSUT DIE.

Excuse me?

I'm supposed to know every fucking abbreviation people are using for other people? When it's one fucking letter away from another person in the game.

Not to mention you used his full name on the line above it. Why would you change the way you type it mid post.

Because I'm typing and it takes less time?

Also, your excuse here doesn't hold water. You yourself just pointed out the name was in the first line.

So either you chose to willfully ignore the second line you claim you didn't know (i.e: scummy via cherry picking thiings from posts)

or you deliberately are playing dumb because you got caught with your pants down.

So in either case this whole fucking exchange is just fake as shit and you're fake as shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm dismissing you because all I was doing with that post is explaining myself and it really doesn't matter to me how you read in to it because I'm just explaining my shitty mood this game for the sake of it. And once I've flipped town it'll be known I wasn't "trying" anything with it.

For someone displaying such an apparently defeatist and fatalist attitude towards this game, you sure seem to care a whole lot that I'm reading you as scum and pushing hard on you right now.

Wonder why.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin is town because of a few huge towntells in her posts.

well, spit it out then

don't keep us waiting

accountant why are you asking sad about his mastin townread but not lld about her gi townread

Go ahead and ask me about my townreads.

I dare you.

You'll love the answer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I'm typing and it takes less time?

Also, your excuse here doesn't hold water. You yourself just pointed out the name was in the first line.

So either you chose to willfully ignore the second line you claim you didn't know (i.e: scummy via cherry picking thiings from posts)

or you deliberately are playing dumb because you got caught with your pants down.

So in either case this whole fucking exchange is just fake as shit and you're fake as shit.

Yes, NO ONE in the history of intelligent people changes abbreviations mid post without stating they are going to do so.

I was a biochemistry major. In every scientific journal I've read they parenthesize the abbreviation they are going to use for a person or thing after they use the full name.

No one fucking jumps from the full name to an abbreviation that is ONE LETTER AWAY FROM ANOTHER PERSON. I didn't "choose to ignore the second line". I read it as you mistyped GIF.

Not to mention it's not like it's an abbreviation that is being used from the full player list for it to be "common knowledge". I've only seen people write greyice or grey.

Get off your fucking high horse.

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A FUCKING JOURNAL TO YOU?

WHAT IS THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT

THIS APPEAL TO AUTHORITY "I'M SMARTER THAN YOU" BULLSHIT.

You need to fucking die.

Also it's fucking HILARIOUS THAT THE PERSON FUCKING USING SOME WEIRD HIGHER EDUCATION ARGUMENT IS TELLING ME T GET OFF MY FUCKING HIGHHORSE

YOU FUCKING PRICK. YOU ABSOLUTE CLOWN.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And for the record, you fucking donkey, I'm also in a fucking program that requires me to read scientific journals on a regular if not daily fucking basis so I've had enough of your fucking shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin is town because of a few huge towntells in her posts.

well, spit it out then

don't keep us waiting

accountant why are you asking sad about his mastin townread but not lld about her gi townread

Go ahead and ask me about my townreads.

I dare you.

You'll love the answer.

is the answer fuck off

I am trying to reinforce my pet scumread on you

No the answer is "explaining town reads is anti-town".

And I won't explain my more private scumreads.

But if you wanna tlak about why I want to lynch Nahdia or SAD or Mastin, I'm fucking happy to explain those reads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This setup is way more about identifying town than scum and a town bloc is the best way to play it

Not until the terrorist is dead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm going to politely ask both of you to stop so that I don't have to read through five more pages of arguments about something as dumb as abbreviation.

@Nahdia: With this attitude, I'm wondering why you don't replace out. You clearly seem to not be having fun.

Kiss my ass.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry was that not polite enough for you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And for the record, you fucking donkey, I'm also in a fucking program that requires me to read scientific journals on a regular if not daily fucking basis so I've had enough of your fucking shit.

you're*

what

YOUR

AS IN POSSESSIVE.

AS IN "THIS SHIT BELONGS TO YOU AND IT IS FUCKING AND I DON'T WANT IT"

YOUR
FUCKING
SHIT

HOLY GOD I'M GONNA HAVE AN ANEURYSM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Btw Nahdia I care about your reads

You're one of m

y blank slates

and I'd definitely like some more elaboration when you get the chance so I can get something more conrete

what

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But if you wanna tlak about why I want to lynch Nahdia or SAD or Mastin, I'm fucking happy to explain those reads.

I have a really hard time buying that SAD as scum sat down at his computer and thought "hey, let me just cherrypick a line from a post literally 1 page back and hope nobody notices", then when called out decides to pretend he misunderstood the abbreviation.

@LLD

You can't see that someone would take a reactive opportunity to misrepresent something and get in a return shot to discredit my read and create noise, and then when he realizes literal post that it was in has a literal statement that contradicts his whole post, he would now need to retract it somehow or admit he was cherrypicking and not reading what I wrote.

i.e: If he didn't read the whole post, he wasn't progressing from a town perspective where he would read things and THEN attempt to sort them.

Rather it would imply he was progressing from a scum perspective which is to take small errors in town play and turn them into reasons to generate scum reads, since they can't be generated naturally.

So because he can't readily admit to that, what would his best excuse be?

Well, something absurd of course, because no one would expect him to lie about something absurd like that. I've DONE IT BEFORE AS SCUM and it WORKS for the reasons you are giving RIGHT NOW.

I don't believe for a second he saw "GI" and thought to himself "huh I don't know what this means, oh well guess that means it doens't matter" when it was obviously contextually referencing one of the 3 reads I had just questioned from him.

So you tell me where I'm wrong then, yeah? cause I'm just not seeing a world where he is town and made that play

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I never implied that I wouldn't be open to reevaluating or that a "bloc" wasn't fluid as the game progressed.

I feel like you keep harping on the same points that no longer apply? I don't understand how you're missing the benefit there is in setting aside universally town read players and promising consequences to anyone that nukes them. It forces scum to nuke within a smaller group (which is harder to justify when your options are limited) that would hopefully contain their buddies and allows for easier PoE in the late game.

This setup is way more about identifying town than scum and a town bloc is the best way to play it

Because you're giving a safety net to people this early on.

As I already said I don't have a problem with the townbloc itself, I have a problem with the reason for it. The townbloc you created is for a "no nuke people".

If you can answer the following question I maybe can see where you were coming from, but until then the whole idea reads p bad:

Why would you propose a town bloc for a "no nuke list" TWO days before nukes become available and used?

See until you can explain that logic, the idea looks MUCH more like whiteknighting than actually trying to benefit town.

Translation: I'm concerned MoI will end up on that no nuke list and then I can't use my nukes to kill a very strong townie.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's a first I'm being scumread for not understanding an abbreviation that is used for the first time and when it extremely resembles another player in the game.

But I love it.

I guess when you can't find anything scummy things in my posts and I'm calling pinging the correct scummy people they have to start grasping at straws?

Reducing my argument and misrepresenting it now too, perfect.

Can't wait to see you become radioactive ash.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And honestly you're a real cunt of a person too.

So I just get double pleasure of watching you die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't believe for a second he saw "GI" and thought to himself "huh I don't know what this means, oh well guess that means it doens't matter" when it was obviously contextually referencing one of the 3 reads I had just questioned from him.

You really

can't be

this

fucking

troll.

I literally told you I read it as you mistyped "GIF" and answered it thinking it was GIF.

Except that GIF was never a name prior mentioned in any of that conversation and contextually, had you read it, you would have realized that.

But you didn't read it.

You never read it.

And now you're lying about it.

So Rope or Nuke your end is all the same.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And honestly you're a real cunt of a person too.

I really don't think you should be playing mafia if you're going to start attacking the person.

A good mentor and someone I respect greatly on another site once said to always "attack the posts, not the player".

Now I'm thick skinned, so I literally give no shits what you do.

But do you see how I'm approaching the game and you are?

Oh I'm sorry Mr. "I'm an esteemed collegiate and this how things are done in MY WORLD and you didn't write this in proper APA formatting to allow for my INTELLIGENCE TO SHINE THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND."

Please tell me more about how you don't talk down to people and you're a perfect little shining beacon of this site, please.

It'll go well with the rest of your lies and fabricated bullshit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway I'm done here for now. SAD will continue to respond with inane fabrications to generate noise and create apathy.

It's more important other people read this and see how scummy he is than it is for me to argue with scum and generate a never ending whirlpool of noise.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway I'm done here for now. SAD will continue to respond with inane fabrications to generate noise and create apathy.

It's more important other people read this and see how scummy he is than it is for me to argue with scum and generate a never ending whirlpool of noise.

If I can make one last point to you madam,

Would be be so kind as to edit the Commonly Used Abbreviations "Abbreviations of Player Names" section and put GI = GreyICE.

I fear future generations will be scumread by you solely due misreading

This post is clearly designed to get an angry reaction

It's why I didn't respond. I know he's scum and I'll never convince him that he is for obvious reasons so talking to him is a waste of time and only serves his purposes.

Better to leave my words already said and let other people read them and determine on their own to what extent I am correct in my assertions of his behaviour.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: SAD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, no offense, but do you actually like playing mafia? I ask because I only see you yelling at people in most games. This is a game where you have to work with people, yes sometimes tensions can get high when people don't see things from your point of view, but its not the end of the world.

There are a lot of ways to play mafia.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: someone

Oh right I forgot about him

VOTE: Smart

???

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spyspy-chan can we lynch SAD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vax seems pretty coherent there too. (I just glanced), so possibly an off-game? Your thoughts @ Arthur?

Pedit: @Cheet --> Seems legit. Still, there's some meat to the wagon; the question is if it's the right stuff.

Pedit2: Arthur/Zito brings up a valid point

Pedit3: LLD --> Case?

Pedit4: True, true.... But you kinda are @Guy

Read the thread I onlytalked about it for literal pages on end.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cuz scum!Vax isnt any worse at the game than town!Vax

Pedit: WHY????? You arent nuking me anyway so.....

holy shit nuke this

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also, tmrw?

Pedit: Not happening.

Why isn't it happening?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And LLD why did you have to be scum also? Because 1568 is the exact same cherry-picking bullshit that SAD (you know, your top scum read) just did.

It's not exactly cherrypicking when I freely admit to skiming through the posts on those pages, seeing that and deciding to as about it.

You'll note I didn't challenge GiF when they explained context 3 posts later, I went back to check it, and it checked out.

So, yeah. Bite me, Godzilla Boy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*ask

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now I want to know what was wrong about me voting "someone" and then voting "someone_special" without the context.

I read the vote for someone.

then I read the vote for special

which had the line "I totallly forgot about this person"

So I was confused because you'd clearly voted for him on the last page?

So I figured asking was the best way to address it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MafSepia best skin

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm honestly shocked the Terrorist isn't trolling us more with their ability to send us messages.

Like, a genuine Elmo Gif on every page.

hahahahahhahahahahahhahah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: Vaxkiller for now as I want to hear from LLD.

Regarding?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was doing it when Eavesdrop was a code breaking role.

Then I learned cryptography was banned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't have anything that counter claims Vax's claim, if that's what you're asking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah, dude. I just want to redeem myself from last time.

Then why are you wanting the Eavesdrop and not Righteous Nuclear Power?

If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.

If I could find someone who I thought was town but didn't trust with a nuke I'd shove it onto them and take a nuke.

But I don't have that yet, so.

If you'll recall, I had a nuke last time.

No I don't recall. I thought you took Eavesdrop.

Grumble grumble making me look way back to find that info ...

Nope, I had a nuke and someone else has eavesdrop and they fed me the codes and I pretended to solve them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now don't get me wrong his role bids are not alignment indicative, but please stop saying untrue things?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD what did we learn from PYP?

I think he's scum.

In a giant game when the big wagon starts to disform, it's because town are apathetic about the result and scum are fighting to kill it.

Yeah I'm down.

Vote: Vaxkiller

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Accountant is scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

probably with Vaxkiller

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Woke up in the middle of the night, figured I would check to see if there are any messages. I just received 4 of them.... They are basically a walls of text, copy pasted from research on nuclear weapons. If anyone ACTUALLY SEES VALUE in copying that shit word for word I'll argue with you first then MAYBE copy one.

...

Andrius, cryptography is banned. Does this include things such as "every second word" or "every 5th letter" or otherwise? i.e: A normal readable post that has a hidden meaning only when the key is known. A form of book cipher? Additionally, does the eavesdropper receive messages in their original form, including bolded or otherwise altered text?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Additionally...

Andrius, when you determine which messages are eavsedropped, do you roll them separately? (i.e: for each individual message you roll the dice and that determines whether it is dropped or not) Or do you gather together all messages from a time block and take a percentage of them. Like "every 10 messages, the last 3 of them will be dropped".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah ok.

Vax, post everything you have word for word.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD rn:

IT'S TIME

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD what did we learn from PYP?

I think he's scum.

In a giant game when the big wagon starts to disform, it's because town are apathetic about the result and scum are fighting to kill it.

Yeah I'm down.

Vote: Vaxkiller

lol how did you know this was what he was talking about

because I was scum with both of you there and had no idea

Because I've been dating him for 6 years, he's my husband and I have a natural affinity for reading people's minds?
or somehting like that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah but I played mafia with him a few times

we're on a pretty level playing field

Oh yeha, I've only played like 50 games with him NBD

And I don't think that counts IRL stuff either...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

dt ellipsis

GIVE ME

THE FUCKING

EAVSEDROPS

YOU PLEBIAN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MAGNA

MAKE HIM GIVE ME THE EAVSEDROPS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe.

Or maybe there's an "every second letter" type deal there?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can you just fuck off and give it to me? All it? Just fucking Copy Paste it dude.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For clarity's sake since you apparently don't read the game

I am concerned there are messages in the large text blurbs and I want to see them.

So give them to me or get lynched. It's not that hard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, can you rate the confidence in your scumread of Vaxkiller on a scale of 1-10?

How about you wait until he gives me what I'm looking for before I answer this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can you make a post consisting of all received messages in 1 post?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD
Is there anything else your highness wants

I sperated each overheard post with a:
________________________________

Spoiler:

please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow

_________________________________________________________

who should be applauded

________________________________________________________

xavier frank tom laura

________________________________________________________

peggy: maybe

alice

?

________________________________________________________

distances. Third, the nuclear explosion is accompanied by highlypenetrating
and harmful invisible rays, called the "initial nuclear
radiation." Finally, the substances remaining after a nuclear explosion
are radioactive, emitting similar radiations over an extended
period of time. This is known as the "residual nuclear radiation"
or "residual radioactivity" (Fig. 1.02).
1.03 It is because of these fundamental differences between a
nuclear and a conventional explosion, including the tremendously
greater power of the former, that the effects of nuclear weapons
require special consideration. In this connection, a knowledge and
understanding of the mechanical and the various radiation phenomena
associated with a nuclear explosion are of vital importance.
1.04 The purpose of this book is to describe the different forms
in which the enei'gy of a nuclear explosion are released, to explain
how they are propagated, and to show how they may affect men and
materials. Where numerical values are given for specific observed
effects, it should be kept in mind that there are inevitable uncertainties
associated with the data, for at least two reasons. In the first place,
there are inherent difficulties in making exact measurements of
weapons effects. The results are often dependent on circumstances
which are difficult, if not impossible, to control, even in a test and

________________________________________________________________

1.29 Almost immediately after a nuclear explosion, the weapon
residues incorporate material from the surrounding medium and form
an intensely hot and luminous mass, roughly spherical in shape, called
the "fireball." An "air burst" is defined as one in which the weapon
is exploded in the air at an altitude below 100,000 feet, but at such a
height that the fireball (at roughly maximum brilliance in its later
stages) does not touch the surface of the earth. For example, in the
explosion of a 1-megaton weapon the fireball may grow until it is
nearly 5,800 feet (1.1 mile) across at maximum brilliance. This
means that, in this particular case, the explosion must occur at least
2,900 feet above the earth's surface if it is to be called an air burst.
1.30 The quantitative aspects of an air burst will be dependent
upon the actual height of the explosion, as well as upon its energy
yield, but the general phenomena are much the same in all cases.
Nearly all of the shock energy appears as air blast, although some is
generally also transmitted into the ground. The thermal radiation
will travel large distances through the air and will be of sufficient
intensity to cause moderately severe burns of exposed skin as far away
as 12 miles from a 1-megaton explosion, on a fairly clear day. The
warmth may be felt at a distance of 75 miles. For air bursts of higher
energy yields, the corresponding distances will, of course, be greater.
Since the thermal radiation is largely stopped by ordinary opaque
materials, buildings and clothing can provide protection.
1.31 The initial nuclear radiations from an air burst will also penetrate
a long way in air, although the intensity falls off fairly rapidly
at increasing distances from the explosion. The nuclear radiations
are not easily absorbed, and fairly thick layers of materials, preferably
of high density, are needed to reduce their intensity to harmless proportions.
For example, at a distance of 1 mile from the air burst of a
1-megaton nuclear weapon, an individual would probably need the
protection of about 1 foot of steel or 4 feet of concrete to be relatively
safe from the efl'ects of the initial nuclear radiations. However, at
this distance the blast effect would be so great that only specially
designed blast-resistant structures would survive.

____________________________________________________________________

4.01 The phenomena associated with a blast wave in air have
been treated in the preceding chapter. On the basis of the information
developed, consideration will now be given to the interaction
of the air blast with a target and the factors affecting the response
of the target. Criteria of damage to targets of different types will
be discussed and relationships given between the damage and the
distances over which such damage may be expected from nuclear
weapons of various yields. In addition, quantitative methods of
computing structural loads and their duration will be outlined.
4.02 The general conclusions concerning the expected effects of
nuclear explosions on various targets are summarized in the form of
nomographs (Figs. 4.58 a and b). These are based on a combination
of theoretical analysis with data obtained from actual nuclear explosions,
both in Japan and at various tests, as well as from laboratory
studies. However, the nature of any target complex, especially a
city, is such that no exact prediction of the eft'ect of blast on structures
can be made. Nor is it possible to indicate the reliability of the
prediction for any particular situation. Nevertheless, by the application
of proper judgment to the available information, it is believed
that results of practical value can be obtained. The conclusions
given here are considered to be the most representative for the average
situations that might be encountered in actual target complexes.

______________________________________________________________________

4.04 Direct damage to structures attributable to air blast can
take various forms. For example, the blast may deflect structural
steel frames, collapse roofs, dish-in walls, shatter panels, and break
windows. In general, the damage results from some type of displacement
(or distortion) and the manner in which such displacement
can arise as the result of a nuclear explosion will be examined below.
4.06 For an air burst, the direction of propagation of the incident
blast wave will be towards the ground at ground zero. In the regular
reflection region, where the direction of propagation of the blast
wave is not parallel to the horizontal axis of the structure, the forces
exerted upon structures will also have a considerable downward
component (prior to passage of the reflected wave) due to the reflected
pressure build-up on the horizontal surfaces. Consequently,
in addition to the horizontal loading, as in the Mach region (§ 3.24),
there will also be initially an appreciable downward force. This
tends to cause crushing toward the ground, e.g., dished-in roofs,
in addition to distortion due to translational motion.

___________________________________________________________________

I'll take a back rub if you're offering. Thank you for this, though. I'm gonna devote some time to this.

Oh, and Cheet? My number is a 6. I think that he's less scummy than other people but the sudden dive off his wagon is raising red flags.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like is she off the table for any reason besides no one wants to read her posts?

Yeah.
It's called people actually read my posts.

hahahahhahahahahahaha
ha
ahah
ha
ahahahahahahhhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

your posts give me cancer, go fuck yourself.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I dare anyone to go ISO mastin and Control F "LLD"

Then, go read through the 17 results and I defy you, no I mean I seriously

DEFY YOU

to find anything about post posting, any kind of intent or gut reads or anything.

Mastin has essentially fabricated a scum read on me and just by continuously screaming that she thinks I'm scum, she'd kind of bought a free pass.

Go on, go read. All of you. I'll wait.

Vote: Mastin

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I really don't get why so many people are scum reading her beyond "you're being bad and useless"

Hint: look at who most of those people are.

By now people have probably figured out more or less what I was doing, but to put things in simplest terms:
I'm not scumreading Accountant, because Accountant's response to me, from what I know of Accountant's personality, read as town. I'm not scumreading Cephrir, because Cephrir's response to me--in spite of him not recognizing what I was doing (normally a red flag)--was otherwise town, because I still saw him legitimately trying to figure out what the hell I was pulling. I'm not scumreading you, because I thought your handling of it was also in line with you as town. Probably others I'm forgetting on here, but you get the idea.

I'm scumreading LLD,

UT, RC, Ircher, and Zito in

part because of their response to me. Each for different reasons. And each for reasons beyond that (that's far from the only thing).

In other words, psychological profiling.
The people who are scumreading me are either the people who would do so as town because they're naive (see also, Accountant), or are people who are VERY incredibly likely to be scum. (LLD, UT, RC, Zito. Ircher's not scumreading me anymore, but his response was scum anyway. RC may or may not have scumread me, but regardless, he's painting me in a negative light, when no fucking duh, I'm mastina I had a plan.)

Oh so they exist?

Where.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm done laughing at you being a trash can.

It's time to put up or shut up. You're getting a fucking flashlight shined in your fucking face because I'm tired of let you slip through the fucking cracks.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mastins gonna mastin.

Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N

[Lady Lambdadelta]

could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.

You're welcome to replace the fuck out.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So why am i scum mastin

WELCOME TO THINGS I JUST ASKED HI SPYREX YOU'RE LATE TO THE PARTY

DON'T WORRY TAKE A NUMBER IT'LL BE AWHILE BEFORE SHE DECIDES TO ANSWER.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.

You're welcome to replace the fuck out.

nah, but you can if you like.

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey at least you get to be a party hat I'm just down there with nadhia for shits

Why don't you go complete my challenge.

Step 1) ISO Mastin
Step 2) Control F "LLD"
Step 3) Read posts where I'm mentioned and try to figure out why she's scum reading me.
Step 4) ????
Step 5) Profit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.

So you'll play against you winconditon then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like vote me if you want IDGAF. I'm going to act however the fuck I feel like and you don't get to fucking dictate that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin continues to post like no one is asking her questions.

Mastin continues to ignore any kind of interaction.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh my god can we not do this

the game had been so pleasant up to this point

Ask the person with a fucking problem, yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.

I was also a pre-in.

Also, I confirmed my pre-in prior to yours.

So you knew damned well I was in this game when you decided to confirm your pre-in.

So I don't give a fuck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.

I was also a pre-in.

Also, I confirmed my pre-in prior to yours.

So you knew damned well I was in this game when you decided to confirm your pre-in.

So I don't give a fuck.

you are moving the goal post because i just proved you wrong, this is so sad.

....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mastins gonna mastin.

Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N

Not really, but I don't think she's scum either.

Far be it for me to ask you to explain a town read, because I think that's just anti town, but...

Do you think this read could be a symptom of Mastin being so fucking bad that you're giving her a pass?

Because I have to say, Mastin was always bad before but this game she's just kicked it up to new levels of terrible, and it makes me question what the motive for that ACTUALLY is, and I'm aware Mastin's given answer will be "I just want to troll" but Mastin seems to care a whole fucking lot for someone who is just trolling until they can nuke someone?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.

I don't actually think she is being particularly toxic?

Dude's got a vendetta, let him be.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N

Yesbutno.
Yes, recognizing that I am mastina and that I will do mastina things can be productive to the town, if they work with me in helping me get those things to where they are optimal. A sort of unspoken plan guarantee, a silent pact: "mastina is doing this thing. I think I see what it is, and I think I can help her".

No, writing mastina off as just being mastina and doing nothing about it is not helpful to the town. And that's what Cephrir was doing, which is the thing frustrating me about him. He's town here. He should have figured out what I was going for ages ago and synchronized with me. Instead he's not doing anything either way. So he's being useless, rather than useful.

I mean, he held half of it. "mastina is doing this thing." But he can't figure out what it is. Yet commenting on doing the thing isn't helpful. He should instead be focusing on, "now what could it be that she is doing?", figuring it out, and THEN going to, "Okay, finally got it, now I can help her."

Except you're not doing anything but posting like a shitter and now ignoring my actual question in favour of answering a question that

was not directed to you

.

Just saying, anyone reading along. Number of times Mastin has addressed the lack of any kind of focus she's given certain scum reads? 0

Number of times Mastin has talked aboout how she's a bad player or some other self referential bullshit? Too many to count

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*walks in to LLD vs mastin*

THERE IT IS.

THE DREAM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can die happy now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I really don't think mastin is
A) pretending to troll
B) actually trolling
at this point.

P-Edit: mastin played the exact same way as town in Signs and Void.
I don't see your point if your point is to say she's scum.

Meta is useless, especially when you're trying to apply meta to someone whose literal fiirst words in this game were "I'm trying out a new style of playing".

Further, Mastin is, if I know her, someone who actually gives a shit about Meta.

Which means she'll likely know her own.

So why in the fuck does Signs and Void mean jack shit again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mastins gonna mastin.

Do you think this kind of perspective is assisting the town in any manner? Y/N

Not really, but I don't think she's scum either.

Far be it for me to ask you to explain a town read, because I think that's just anti town, but...

Do you think this read could be a symptom of Mastin being so fucking bad that you're giving her a pass?

Because I have to say, Mastin was always bad before but this game she's just kicked it up to new levels of terrible, and it makes me question what the motive for that ACTUALLY is, and I'm aware Mastin's given answer will be "I just want to troll" but Mastin seems to care a whole fucking lot for someone who is just trolling until they can nuke someone?

I expect her to play a certain way and I think she is now playing that way. I'll choose not to comment on the quality thereof since either or both of you would yell at me or be sad if I did that.

So another meta case.

On the slot that literally, you know what?

Let me go grab the quote and spam it at you fucks a couple times.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not calling her town because of it.
I'm saying with the context of mastin's play, your case isn't convincing at all.
There's no angle that you're pushing that means anything to anyone who doesn't already just want mastin dead for being mastin.

I'm saying that you're giving her a free pass because there are people who want her dead just for being her.

And I think her refusal to answer simple questions and her desire to be impossible to deal with and create noise that way is scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, she is going to get nuked on the first day of nukes, so there's not all that much point in me worrying about it

Ok but so are a shit ton of other people.

Why let easy nukes exist when we can just lynch the shit out of them and use nukes more efficiently?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I actually just think that her unwillingness to address people is pretty standard from what I expect from her play in general.
She's a self-centric player.
She doesn't ask questions or necessarily answer questions.
She has thoughts and presents them and that's that.

If I'm giving her a free pass it's arguably more because I just don't feel like she's scum and there are other people who feel scummier?

I'm a fucking self centric player.

I don't give a fuck about ANYONE and I'm TERRIBLE at working with people.

But at least I fucking talk and interact.

She's just in lalaland pretending she's good at this fucking game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, she is going to get nuked on the first day of nukes, so there's not all that much point in me worrying about it

Pretty much this. It's the only reason there isn't more pressure on her (and honestly that comment about not reading Something_Smart's posts blew any goodwill she had from that stunt with the draft list).

Right but....

Ok then, theory discussion time. What do we use Nukes for vs. What do we use Lynches for?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Right but S_S is town.

And I have no idea what to think about UT, because it's essentially a Reck vanity wagon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't actually think she is being particularly toxic?

She's not, actually. This is pretty tame from her. It's actually pretty impressive, really.

I mean, her insults are pretty revealing about her drawing scum, but that's nothing new.

You're joking.

You're actually joking.

Not only are you now using meta against me, but you're flat out wrong.

I fucking do this shit in every game I god damned play.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Has anyone thrown around a townread on UT?

I have a "I don't fucking know" read because the last time I town read UT was Justified mafia and I've still got scars.

But I'm not strictly scum reading him either SO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Right but S_S is town.

how can you possibly look at their first post and say "yep, that's town"

It's not the first post, its the way he reacted to pressure.

That first post was terrible on every level. It has all the hallmarks of a scum intro. It was awkward, it was trying to not be awkward it was forced and ugly and bleh.

But... the pressure put on him has caused him to lash out in a manner that feels town to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin was always bad before but this game she's just kicked it up to new levels of terrible, and it makes me question what the motive for that ACTUALLY is, and I'm aware Mastin's given answer will be "I just want to troll" but Mastin seems to care a whole fucking lot for someone who is just trolling until they can nuke someone?

The justification for my actions lies in the mod's hand. I communicated them to him, and they'll be freely available to anyone who asks for them upon their death, at least they SHOULD be because that's what I specifically fucking asked him to do.
Suffice to say, though.

My answer is not "I just want to troll". I did not in fact go off the deep end. There's a plan. It is a very obvious one to those who have been paying attention. Subtlety has never been my thing. Like, ever.

...

fuck

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It has been 96 pages since Something Special's first post and UT wants to use it now to scumread him and want him lynched.

This is a shallow way of looking at it. UT is entirely right that the opening to a game is one of the most vulnerable times for scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, she is going to get nuked on the first day of nukes, so there's not all that much point in me worrying about it

The best thing about failing to get a troop is that I get to nuke before I die.

You don't want me to nuke someone?

Yeah, well guess what.
You have to stop me before then.
That, or use a power on me of all people. Go waste that intercept and reveal you have it by stopping me. Or go stop my nukes with the special ops team and allow every other town player with nukes to have free reign.

You don't have the numbers to lynch me. I was iffy on that bit, I admit. I realized that I could have ticked off enough people that town players could policy-lynch me and when combined with town players misreading me, and scum who want me dead, there could have been enough. But seeing the practical effects in play, I've run the math. There aren't enough.

So. Submarine nuke.
Or scum nightkill.
Or powers.

Are the only ways to stop the nuke.
So have fun, LLD. You're dead D3.

I mean you can join the list of assholes who are going to nuke me D3 and be wrong, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm so tired of you being wrong.

I really hope you stop playing mafia forever when I flip town and you realize just how terribad you are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastina has a useful nuke aimed at LLD which is fine

As much as I would like to bloodspree wagon WE HAVE SHIT BUILT ALREADY

BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME

BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
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BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME

useful?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, Fate, if you think Mastin is the only person who is waiting in line to fire a nuke at me, you should probably look closer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

By the way, friends, this game is based on a multiplayer strategy game called DEFCON. It's a cool game, and, for the Steam Autumn Sale, it's dirt cheap at $1.49. Go buy it and nuke people to your heart's desire!

And maybe if a bunch of us own it, we can nuke each other outside of this Mafia game. Ihihi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm with you on that, Reck.

My issue with joining the UT wagon is that I know UT can be a good player and I struggle to read him, and it feels very much, like I said prior, like a vanity wagon from you.

So I don't know to what Reck we're getting today. Is it Psychic Mafia Reck or is it like, off the mark Reck.

Cause I'll sheep fucking Psychic Mafia Reck all day.

But if even a little bit, this is driven by ego as opposed to confidence, I'd like to discuss another option with you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ever consider that the angle is "trying to discern Reck's alignment" ?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What's with your new title? Old one was better.

And nope, didn't consider it. Don't buuuyy it.

Lynch Mastina with me, worst case scenario is you won't have to feel bad about the fact you're not reading her walls.

Uh....

Are you sure you read the votecount?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is honestly the vote count?

Balls to that.

Vote: Mastina

LLD is scum.

Bolded is mine.

You say here you read the vote count but my

vote is currently ON MASTIN

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wonder how it is possible that you can manage to comment on the vote count (which contributes to the apathy about this game and also to making you look more disconnected from this game which is currently aiding in generating town reads on you), when you so clearly did not even read the vote count?

I mean, you might be able to explain not seeing my vote on Mastin by saying "oh it's a smaller wagon I didn't notice" but given you voted mastin in the very same post.... I'm not entirely certain that holds any water.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In shorter words, please explain.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I do wonder though why LLD responds differently to different people making reading mistakes hmmmm.

Let's play multiple choice

1) Because he's my husband
2) Because prior to this I was town reading him
3) Because I'm waiting for the answer prior to exploding on him
4) All of the above

Go on, take a guess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll take

5) Because you are scum.

Oh so we're both scum then yeah?

We just decided to stage that interaction to burn all of his town cred to do.... what exactly?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And was hoping to create a pointless argument with me so it looks like you are doing something and ~scumhunting~ and getting ~passionate~.

Yeah alright buddy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll take

5) Because you are scum.

Oh so we're both scum then yeah?

We just decided to stage that interaction to burn all of his town cred to do.... what exactly?

Whose town cred? Who's the "his" referring to?

...

Try and take a guess involving context. Go ahead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll take

5) Because you are scum.

Oh so we're both scum then yeah?

We just decided to stage that interaction to burn all of his town cred to do.... what exactly?

Whose town cred? Who's the "his" referring to?

...

Try and take a guess involving context. Go ahead.

Well if we're talking about greyice, Idk what you're talking about but I never tried to undermine any towncred he had?

I was just wondering why you didn't respond like this that's all:

No.

No you don't get to pretend to be this fucking stupid and not know GI stands for GreyICE.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE DIE. JSUT DIE.

I answered that, see:

I do wonder though why LLD responds differently to different people making reading mistakes hmmmm.

Let's play multiple choice

1) Because he's my husband
2) Because prior to this I was town reading him
3) Because I'm waiting for the answer prior to exploding on him
4) All of the above

Go on, take a guess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My issue with joining the UT wagon is that I know UT can be a good player and I struggle to read him, and it feels very much, like I said prior, like a vanity wagon from you.
But if even a little bit, this is driven by ego as opposed to confidence, I'd like to discuss another option with you.

I mean this pretty much writes itself.

So I'd like you to elaborate on that one liner please.

Because speaking of things that write themselves, this is essentially free content that means nothing and does even less.

So I'd like to hear about how and what parts of my posting "Writes itself" and why you felt it was not genuine, thanks.

I'm going to keep challenging you on every post you make from now on.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Mastina

LLD is scum.

She sure is. So help me bus her instead of wasting your vote on me.

Please quit mafia forever.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My issue with joining the UT wagon is that I know UT can be a good player and I struggle to read him, and it feels very much, like I said prior, like a vanity wagon from you.
But if even a little bit, this is driven by ego as opposed to confidence, I'd like to discuss another option with you.

I mean this pretty much writes itself.

So I'd like you to elaborate on that one liner please.

I mean I could use my own words.

But GreyICE's shall suffice.

See this is
Scumposting
Don't know what it says about anyone's alignment
She's too good for me to read the angle
But there's an angle, angle is scum

I could go into more depth than he did. My reasons aren't quite identical to his own. But I don't feel like sharing with the rest of the class at this time. I'd prefer to wait and watch and see others looking at it to write their own, similar to how GreyICE did.

Suffice to say I hold fast to that. It writes itself.

"I don't know what to say so I'll quote someone elses post and then write a bunch of meaningless words, then repeat what I said prior to make it look like I answered it"

Keith was saying I was angle shooting. That I had ulterior motives. That doesn't mean it writes itself, it means that I tailored it SPECIFICALLY to do a certain thing.

That is the literal OPPOSITE of what you're currently suggesting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can everyone please see that Mastin just tried to justify her baseless argument using an argument that is the antithesis of what she accused me of?

And that she's too stupid to know the difference?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're arguing that she's dumb now, not that she's scum

I honestly don't know anymore. I am having a hard time differentiating between hatred and scum reading her.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin was always bad before but this game she's just kicked it up to new levels of terrible, and it makes me question what the motive for that ACTUALLY is, and I'm aware Mastin's given answer will be "I just want to troll" but Mastin seems to care a whole fucking lot for someone who is just trolling until they can nuke someone?

The justification for my actions lies in the mod's hand. I communicated them to him, and they'll be freely available to anyone who asks for them upon their death, at least they SHOULD be because that's what I specifically fucking asked him to do.
Suffice to say, though.

My answer is not "I just want to troll". I did not in fact go off the deep end. There's a plan. It is a very obvious one to those who have been paying attention. Subtlety has never been my thing. Like, ever.

...

fuck

Like I still don't know what to think about the quoted Mastin post here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"unbiased source"

I'm sorry if I don't really agree with that statement.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I volunteer to be investigated

[Lady Lambdadelta]

People have a hard time reading me and are currently incorrectly reading me.

I'm more than happy to be an investigation target, given how polarizing I can be.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've already mentioned I don't care how people read me.

That being said, I have ~super secret reasons~ for wanting to be investigated, that are worth people like you being paranoid about me being an SK over.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Given that who may or may not have won a deployment isn't, reasons still stand.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Would you like me to claim my deployment?

Cause I can.

It's really funny.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, why would I ever volunteer to be searched as SK.

I can tell you what optimal play for SK me is really easily.

Grab immunity to night kills, grab immunity to nukes, focus on not being lynched, don't care about other powers.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

probably because you're not dumb and know he is fakeclaiming scum and therefore would just say "yeah LLD is town"

wtf dude

That wasn't an invitation for just our claimed person to do it.

I fully endorsed any potentially unclaimed cops to ALSO investigate me.