DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Nukebringer]

VOTE: For Total War

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Getting 2 lynches before the mafia start killing seems like a plus? Help me out.

In what way is not getting nukes a plus?

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We did the silly song and dance in DEFCON Mafia 3.0 and it was boring af.

Go Total War.

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I have only read the first post once but it seems like total war isn't the best. It's more fun, but night actions + getting actual gameplay to then nuke based on seems better. Convince me I guess.

Who joins this game only to wimp out when it's time for nuking?

Embrace the MADness.

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Drink for every hippie who talks about not going Total War!

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I claim scum!

What have i missed guys?

~Fire

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oh hey I finally rolled town in a large :P
but now I have 23 slots to sort... :shifty:
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. :roll: )

target acquired!

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Drink for every hippie who talks about not going Total War!

I am a hippy and I want peace!
~Fire

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Fun factoid tho.

I am policy against vigs.
I signed up for a game where we do nothing but vig.
If I nuke someone, I am scum because I would never vig anyone.
If I defend myself from being nuked, I am scum because seriously, nobody deploys missile silos in defense mode except for scum who fear being lolvigged.
So basically, I'm scum no matter what!

Just flee while you still can!

Thats my plan.
Also claim scum.

~Fire

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nuke reckoner!

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do people read mastins posts?

~Fire

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cheetory, i am nuking you

~Fire

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Errantparabola is scum

discuss

ur scum

~Fire

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Reckoner avi makes me want to make a presidential poster for toothless.
I will run for president in the post apocalyptic world~

~Fire

[Nukebringer]

I am nuking myself discuss

What will happen to timon if you do that?

~Fire

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So who's town?

hiplop

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This is scum Firebringer too btw

its true

~Fire

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mastin, can you talk a little about any kind of thoughts you have wrt LLD scumreading you here?

@Spiff, I can't eat EP scumread here. If you have reasoning can you hit me in the face with it.

im not nuking cheet bc he's cute and cute people get free passes in life so let this be a lesson to everyone or something

I'll probably get stabbed and be an ugly corpse once the apocalypse happens anyways.

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Question to Firebringer.

How exactly do you keep this up?

It honestly feels pretty exhausting for me to do. Like, I feel like I should be replying to more stuff with I dunno, a gif or something, spamming youtube videos, the like, but nothing is easily coming to mind.

I feel like the "sit back and laugh" part is easy enough, but the continuous posting part is harder. How do you pull it off in games?

I keep it up through hard works and dedication.

How do you wall post all the time and not see most of your posts are going to go unread?

This is a weird question to ask.

-Fire

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Nahdia! Did you exercise today? I am about to go for a run.

-Fire

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accountant is town
-Fire

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Mastin if your seriously not taking game serious why are you making ridiculously long posts?

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Anyone who makes wall posts takes the game serious, it says so in my guide to serious players.

-Fire

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Nahdia is scum
-Fire

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Mastin is probably town I think
-Fire

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(Yes I did count the votes.)

You could have control f and typed vote: Mastina (to get a count without counting).....

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you got me i'm just so scared of posting content that i had to not

townie

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FB is doing that thing he does as scum where he acts all cutesy and pretends to not care

how dare you sir!
I am not cute.

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are too

Don't make me nuke you.

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are too

Fight me.

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Town: Cephrir, Cheetory, Hiplop, mastina, accountant
Scum: Spiffeh, Nahdia,

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Everyone is so rude.

Rude day!

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Zito channel.me today im.in california fucking work

I wanna kill the following:

1. Nahdia for scums
2. RedCoyote for scums
3. mastin for extreme derp
4. Nukebringer for sexiness

Does this align with your interests Y/y?

FTFY

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PAPAZITO IS TOWN

CHEETORY666 IS TOWN

Something Special and Reck leaning town.

Go on about your zito townread.

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My current ultra conservative nuke pile is {Something_Smart, Nukebringer}

I could add a few more names if I wanted to go balls to the wall but both of these slots need immediate death

what happened to hiplop?

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Town: Cephrir, Cheetory, Hiplop, mastina, accountant
Scum: Spiffeh, Nahdia,

Can you explain why you are scumreading me?

Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.
Doesn't add up.

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who the hell here is good at reading LLD btw? I will sheep their opinion on her.

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I no longer have strong townread on hiplop.

Also how goes everyones day?

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arthur is town

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Your reads look fake as hell and you usually have no opinion of me till much later yet you claim to scum read me.

First of all, would you like to cite some games where this is the case? Because this is a weird thing to keep track of and take issue with

I have an opinion on you now and using "you don't have a read on me until later" is a bullshit way to discredit a method I've used to catch you as scum in the past.

So thank you for confirming my suspicions :)

I don't cite games. If you have games where you would like to prove me wrong, go ahead. They don't exist.

And coming out from Kids Mafia its odd as hell you post this.

Like I have a decent track record when it comes to reading you and the fact that you try to discredit me right out of the gate instead of allowing me to come to terms with the read myself makes me pretty confident you're not town here

I mean no you don't, but that wasn't my point.
You normally don't have reads on me till much later stages of the game, last time you had a read on me early game you were scum faking a read like you are now.

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I absolutely don't know how to troll as town. I basically am trying to be a shitty Firebringer copy.
But all the same, in spite of the truth behind the statement, the statement was fabricated in advance of the game.

Why do you want to copy me?

I don't even like me. Half the time.
Well....a tenth of the time.

I don't know, most of the time I like me.

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Guys, in a post apocalyptic world, would you vote Toothless as your president?
This question is important for determining alignments.

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Is it nuke o'clock yet.

It's not. We get to hang out and play until the nukes arrive.

And apparently pick toys or something but it's p obv that real Americans are picking missile silo.

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So how's everyone? Are we thankful that the Nukes got delayed?

Pretty sure it's just you, so enjoy your BORROWED TIME mate.

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because the others have at least a smidgeon of justification. mastina nuke to stop the trolling? makes sense. nukebringer nuke because... he's a hydra??? like, it's not a policy nuke, it's a random nuke. "vote X for being a hydra" is something I'd expect to see in RVS.

Does this behavior make more sense as scum or make more sense as town? Why?

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It's more the fact that you made those three posts in succession. Like you're just being defensive right off the bat, and then it doesn't help that you're carrying this attitude of OH AREN'T YOU GRATEFUL FOR ME STOPPING THE NUKES even though you make it p clear that you did that out of self-interest.

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Why am I defending someone who is ignoring shit directed at them.

I have no idea what Spiffeh is talking about, and unfortunately the amount of fucks I have for this game does not equal the amount required to dive into the meta of someone I already trust. So. Try again in a few hours?

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I mean if you're Equinox (I think you are) it's not really your response I was interested anyway?

Glad we agree on this point. How about we not exchange nukes for the next four days or so?

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I claim scum!

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Catching up to what I have missed.

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I mean no you don't, but that wasn't my point.
You normally don't have reads on me till much later stages of the game, last time you had a read on me early game you were scum faking a read like you are now.

I mean yes I do

Kids TV was the only game that I have read you horribly wrong

For someone who remembers something as arbitrary as the time at which I usually give a read on you I'm surprised this slipped your mind.

Also you asked me to provide a game where I gave a read on you early as town:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7646002
Literally within 24 hours (Post #190) I called you town and maintained that stance until you replaced out. You were town.

I realize this was awhile ago but given that you were so quick to make a such a sweeping accusation that was WRONG after I started pressuring you suggests to me that you were only doing it to discredit my read on you.

I mean even if you weren't blatantly wrong you have enough experience with me to know how I operate and that tossing out early reads isn't unusual at all for me?

1 game example is pretty great.

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Lets nuke Cephrir for being a LITERAL PARTY POOPER.

But what happens to timon!?!?!?!?!
I am not ready for that.

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I have zero new reads over last few pages.
Zero changes in reads.

Good work all. Ill check back in tomorrow.

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Firebringer that one game example proves your argument invalid

If you're town that should be something to strongly consider and reevaluate?

But you're not so you'll continue to use that as justification

No, one game doesn't make it invalid.
But I am going to ignore you because this discussion hasn't helped me with my read on you, and you pretending like you are some god at reading me seems at best delusional and at worst fake bravado

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being cocky like that is how you lose mafia games

anyway i'd rather have more nights i think, troop choices will come out eventually and actually i dont think i should say the rest of this post

more than half this game is filled with like the most cocky players on the site.
you kidding me here?

This game could be renamed "cocky invitational 2016"

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Firebringer not reevaluating his read on me after proving his earlier reason for scum reading me wrong is a scum claim

In case anyone was wondering

No, this was:

I claim scum!

[Nukebringer]

Firebringer not reevaluating his read on me after proving his earlier reason for scum reading me wrong is a scum claim

In case anyone was wondering

im gonna be real with you

im not reading your argument and i don't give a fuck about it because there's too much meta

i have played with cephrir alot and this is something he only says when he is town.

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that is only true if you first assume him not to be a VI. I would suggest those summary posts are a very good indication he is, though

Ircher isn't a VI. Stop being elitist and mean Cephir.

ircher is totally a vi, my rule of thumb on reading him is if he is being scummy he is town and if he being super scummy he is scum.

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ircher is totally a vi, my rule of thumb on reading him is if he is being scummy he is town and if he being super scummy he is scum.

Which head wrote this post? If it is Equinox I repeat - stop being elitist and mean.

If it is Firebringer you really should not be calling people VIs.

i am the definition of vi.

also equinox is the mean head, i am the nice one.

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Fuck it.
LLD is scum.
UT is scum.
Ircher is scum.
Zito is scum.

The last scum is harder to determine, as is the terrorist. But RC is on my shortlist.
As is Vaxkiller.

I do have about an equal number of townreads, but I don't want to share those.

I just can't hold back from these, though.

i don't know if i agree with any of these mastina, maybe rc?

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that is only true if you first assume him not to be a VI. I would suggest those summary posts are a very good indication he is, though

Ircher isn't a VI. Stop being elitist and mean Cephir.

I haven't played with him before but his posts elsewhere on the forum gave me the impression he's pretty young

I wanna say I don't mean it as a mean thing just a factual thing but that probably isn't a thing that can possibly be said nicely.

i mean his age is on his profile.
is age relevant in this case?

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magna, ive been reading your posts and i don't like it.

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let's stop talking about it before i say more mean things

thats no fun

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VI

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Vi is one of my favourite retired mods.

my favorite retired mod is Equinox.
and i don't say that because Equinox has a gun at my head.

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The department of “Zero Fucks Given” called and wants to schedule a meeting with you at your earliest convienance.

i might be able between hours of 8 am- 7 am of the next day sometime throughout the month of January, that work for you?

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The department of “Zero Fucks Given” called and wants to schedule a meeting with you at your earliest convienance.

i might be able between hours of 8 am- 7 am of the next day sometime throughout the month of January, that work for you?

"I dont like your posts"
"i don't care"
"Neither do I haha"

Lynch this

thats what you got out of that? lol

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yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.

Zero presence of it.

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sweet sweet Nuke-age of my scum reads independent of needing others has me feeling more carefree than usual.

Yeah this is where I'm at.

I don't need to convince you kids of anything or build up a stable of evidence or w/e, I can just nuke all my problems away. It's a great feeling.

how do you decide on nukes tho.
i have too many people i want to launch on

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yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.

Zero presence of it.

You're not even going to try to defend yourself? Go ask around in the PT, I bet your buddies can come up something to try to sell to me

i don't think you realize who you are talking to?
Hi my name is firebringer and I don't care what you read on me is.

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yeah, magna is scum guys.
Normally he would be mad at me.

Zero presence of it.

Lol. So much comedy. I don't have to get frustrated with your terrible play because you can be made a glowing crater soon enough. No worries about useless Town Firebringer being carried to endgame because he's terrible or Scum Firebringer sliding by on his usual useless play.

I mean if that isn't clear to you probably get a PT with Equinox and have him help you with these obv things.

Rudeness is present but seems fake.

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how long that take to make?

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Can I use this?

he already copyrighted it, so no.

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I JUST CAN'T GET ANYTHING RIGHT CAN I

I'M A FAILURE

elmo.gif

[Nukebringer]

Hey Magna, don't be elitist~.

You forgot to say mean also ...

Tsk tsk ...

Although Firebringer proudly acknowledges his VI status so ...

I am not a VI.

[Nukebringer]

i am the definition of vi.

you taking all my posts at face value?

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I am leaving off on that, I can see a potential fight between me and magna starting.
He is scum likely though.

Though id be first to say i am about as good at reading him as LLD.
So, not that good.

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Perhaps like SAD, SS is growing on me. I'm also wondering why I ever liked Firebringer at all. Has Equinox even posted yet?

If you were expecting things from me to be better than from Firebringer, then you might have to readjust your expectations because taking Mafia games seriously is

so

2016 and this year might as well be over already.

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Its ok you'll be free from this one in 2016

Wouldn't expect any less!

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People I don't want nuked this phase under any circumstance: {Accountant, Cheetory6, MoI, Papa Zito, Cephrir, Reck, SpyreX}
People I think are town but not enough to warrant being in the first group: {LLD, hiplop, mastina, SAD, McMenno, RedCoyote}
People I wouldn't mind seeing get nuked: {Untrod Tripod, Fate, GreyICE, Nahdia, Something_Smart, ErrantParabola, Ircher}
People that need to be lynched/nuked at the earliest opportunity: {GIF, Vaxkiller, Nukebringer}

This is where I'm at rn

I'm hoping the lynch phase will help me sort people in the third pile

Especially EP because I feel like I can actually get a definitive read there if they would actually post

Why is MoI in the top of this?

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Because he's town

is he your scumbuddy?

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i now have townreads on GIF and Vaxkiller just because Spiffeh is saying they should be nuked first.

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He's also in mine and apparently RECK's townreads.
I guess all four of us are scum then.
:o

naah, ur just getting played.
Like every game.

[Nukebringer]

Do you want to explain why you're scum reading him?

PEdit: @Nukebringer

I explained it, are you reading?

[Nukebringer]

Firebringer you realize that when you roll scum the goal is to act like you're town

Did you not get the memo?

No, must have lost it.
mod must have sent me the wrong pm

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i now have townreads on GIF and Vaxkiller just because Spiffeh is saying they should be nuked first.

The exit is over there pls go away

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mastin why is Nukebringer so high on your list?

Because no matter how much you might want to policy-nuke the slot, it won't change their alignment. (Takes one to know one!) This is Firebringer's towngame. Very, very blatantly so.

Whether you like him or not, you're going to have to deal with that. If you want him gone, sure, nuke him. But if you want to nuke scum, you're aiming in the wrong place and once he flips you'll see as much.

Okay so what's different about me now then when I am scum?

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cheetory i dont really care to elaborate considering my reads tend to be bad anyway and i know im not long for this world regardless of what i do.

Nahdia since when did you think your reads were bad?

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I think Gif could use a good nuking, on and on about the emoji post from something smart and no actual good stuff.
Actually maybe I'd say gif is the person I'd

Why would gif be a good use of nuking for these reasons? I am not sold on this.

Also I totally forgot Equi had a cat they haven't told me anything about them. Bad friend. Also Equinox thinks your town and I am on fence so. What's up?

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Mod V/LA for Firebringer head until Saturday, spending time with family (yippee?)

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Fuck reading twenty pages every time I look at this game. It's effort time, though.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Would also be fine with roping or bombing Untrod Tripod or McMenno, off the top of my head. There's a whole lot of chatter from a select group of people and ~silence~ from the rest (and yes, we are 'the rest'). I'm really interested in what GreyICE (or Cephrir? Whoever it was who said that Ircher might not be scum) is seeing in Ircher because every time that guy posts I want to kill him with my bare hands, and the way he's defending Vaxkiller makes my skin crawl.

Errantparabola, can you walk me through your read of Cephrir? I'm totally not seeing it.

I don't really see the point of arguing what mastina was trying to do with her draft picks? Sure, one of her goals was to get something and she didn't, but I really don't think scum would go out on a limb and say what she did.

Also, pretty sure that this is town RedCoyote.

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Have you played with townRC/scumRC before?

Yeah. It's become a running joke between us that I have to keep lynching him because he keeps drawing scum. The one time we were town together was DEFCON Mafia 3.0, if I remember correctly. That time he got lynched for basically doing what he's doing here, which is spewing a whole lot of stuff for which people don't really care. He's a lot more careful as scum.

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Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Fine with Something_Smart as well. Don't care for role arguments, but Vaxkiller can die in radioactive ash.

I'm also wondering why Untrod is getting so much crap for having an empty pointless ISO while hiplop is getting none .. it puzzles me ...

There's a lot more meaning when xRECKONERx throws the weight of a six-year friendship behind it. Also, hiplop is no stranger to posting that way, but time is running short and there's only so much patience to be spent.

Basically mafblack is the only correct skin

You know, I wasn't sold on you being scum before, but now I'm convinced. Please die in a radioactive blast.

I'm not scum; I don't get how that is the FIRST assumption everyone makes whenever they read one of my posts. Regardless of what it states, it's "You're scum" that's the first thing that pops into everyone's mind.

Stop it.

Well, it kind of doesn't help when you act smug in half of your posts. Tell me something, though: What was your first thought when you saw people pile on you earlier Today?

Maybe you'll feel better when I nuke Nukebringer and they flip scum?

That'll be just you for 48 hours.

I think people like saying this too much and it's basically impossible to determine, unless you're saying you just think they're both town independent of the argument in which case use different words

It's true, though.

wanted to address this in particular, you see he votes me immediately after cephrir does without any commentary then later tries to play it off as an rvs-y vote instead of you know... "yeah I was scumreading you and saw cephrir's vote as an opportunity to start a wagon on you"

and could you please be consistent? your posts sound like they're made by different players

oh and there's a difference between "scummy" (whatever that means) and "scum"

What difference is that and what differences does it make that RedCoyote sounds inconsistent?

The fewer memes you use, the more points you get.

I already said that people could ask me about stuff and I'd answer as long as they didn't ask me about everything.

That's not how this works.

Vaxkiller because he tried to defend Ircher's post by accusing me of a misrep while making a misrep himself, he tried to appeal to people defending him, and his tone is very stilted and doesn't feel like town under unjust pressure.
Ircher because his readlists contained numerous strange reads with weak or basically nonexistent reasoning (Cheetory, SpyreX, mastina, Cephrir, Reck, and me in particular).
Nukebringer because gut. Well, more than that, it seems like Firebringer is trying to imitate his town play and not doing a very good job of it.

What are your thoughts on the posts not by Firebringer? (Hint: He's the nice head.) Also, what are your thoughts on the following: Lady Lambdadelta, Ser Arthur Dayne, MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, hiplop, mastina?

Likely sheep that just want to get to the fun stuff (Defcon 1).

Who do you think has the more nefarious reasons to be sheeping along? You named five people, but your wagon's at ten (as of this point).

(Oh btw before y'all get any funny idea about my playing ethics, she's 10.)

Please don't teach children to play forum Mafia; that's not a nice thing to do to them.

vax is probtown?

Didn't you promise ~stuff~?

I assume Vax did something really town in the pages I haven't read to warrant so many people hopping off that wagon?

Vaxkiller can't nuke.

im bored now

Why did we vote against nukes.

This is why we go Total War all day erryday.

... good god of nukes I gotta be on this game 24/7 if I expect people to not eat my thunder for breakfast.

PAGE 90 THERE IS AN ENDING AND THERE IS A GOD (I'm taking a break.)

[Nukebringer]

If anything those drops with lack of punctuation and capitalization look like hiplop to me who shocker of shocks has been more or less thread absent.

Scum are likely typing in all lowercase to throw off people trying to hunt based on posting style unless they're using a code.

dt ellipsis

lol

[Nukebringer]

Because scum(reads) keep trying to direct me there.

And I'm just like.
lolno.

What are your thoughts of Something_Smart independent of the people pushing that case?

[Nukebringer]

could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.

[Nukebringer]

could we just get rid of LLD? you don't know how happy that would make me.
Just remove from game, it would be nice. don't even care of her alignment.

You're welcome to replace the fuck out.

nah, but you can if you like.

[Nukebringer]

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.

[Nukebringer]

I'd llike to remind you that I joined this game prior to you did and so you made the active choice to play with me.

You're also the person with the problem here.

So if you don't like it, leave.

Otherwise, suck it up princess I'm not going anywhere.

i believe i pre inned to this with equinox before you signed up, so i think thats factually false.
Also, if you continue behaving the way you are, i am going to vote you and never move it.

I was also a pre-in.

Also, I confirmed my pre-in prior to yours.

So you knew damned well I was in this game when you decided to confirm your pre-in.

So I don't give a fuck.

you are moving the goal post because i just proved you wrong, this is so sad.

[Nukebringer]

Sigh. Hang on. Let me rein in Firebringer.

What are your thoughts of Something_Smart independent of the people pushing that case?

I honestly haven't read so much as a single Something_smart post.

No, dead serious.
I don't think I've read so much as a single one of them.

I honestly haven't bothered to and I don't think I will.

If you think that Something_smart's posts are going to contain anything that are solid towntells or solid scumtells, then...
...Just, lol.

He's a sort later kind of guy, but the fact he's getting so much pressure so early on for basically no fucking reason is making me just on policy alone read him as town. I might not have read HIS posts, but I've at least skimmed if not read the "cases" against him, and my thoughts on those were THOROUGHLY, "meh". As in, they did literally nothing at all to make me think the case was even pointing out anything remotely scummy. At all. So as far as I'm concerned. There's no good reason to lynch him. There's CERTAINLY no reason he should be lynched over players like LLD, UT, Ircher, and RC.

The fact that he is tied for top lynch at all should tell you exactly why he's not a good lynch candidate.[/quote]
Wait, what?

[Nukebringer]

Of course I'd fuck up the quote when I don't hit "Preview".

Sigh. Hang on. Let me rein in Firebringer.

I honestly haven't read so much as a single Something_smart post.

No, dead serious.
I don't think I've read so much as a single one of them.

I honestly haven't bothered to and I don't think I will.

If you think that Something_smart's posts are going to contain anything that are solid towntells or solid scumtells, then...
...Just, lol.

He's a sort later kind of guy, but the fact he's getting so much pressure so early on for basically no fucking reason is making me just on policy alone read him as town. I might not have read HIS posts, but I've at least skimmed if not read the "cases" against him, and my thoughts on those were THOROUGHLY, "meh". As in, they did literally nothing at all to make me think the case was even pointing out anything remotely scummy. At all. So as far as I'm concerned. There's no good reason to lynch him. There's CERTAINLY no reason he should be lynched over players like LLD, UT, Ircher, and RC.

The fact that he is tied for top lynch at all should tell you exactly why he's not a good lynch candidate.

Wait, what?

[Nukebringer]

Also, she is going to get nuked on the first day of nukes, so there's not all that much point in me worrying about it

Pretty much this. It's the only reason there isn't more pressure on her (and honestly that comment about not reading Something_Smart's posts blew any goodwill she had from that stunt with the draft list).

[Nukebringer]

Why let easy nukes exist when we can just lynch the shit out of them and use nukes more efficiently?

I mean, if you can wrangle a swift wagon on her, sure, but as it stands we're weeks away from nukes and we're all getting rather antsy (not to mention the current leading wagons are scummy as fuck anyway).

[Nukebringer]

Ok then, theory discussion time. What do we use Nukes for vs. What do we use Lynches for?

Lynches: Collective scum read
Nukes: Pet scum read

A lot of people are displeased with mastina but not enough are scum-reading her (or with enough passion) to justify it when there's a fine wagon on Something_Smart and Untrod Tripod.

Preview edit: Oh, you're not reading them as scum. Your push makes sense, at least.

[Nukebringer]

Your avi is now 四 instead of 死

udabes

[Nukebringer]

This sort of insanity is what happens when hippies decide they want peace, not war.

Total war, folks.

[Nukebringer]

Nukebringer, why do you like UT wagon more than SS wagon?

I like both equally. I just picked one.

Though to be completely honest right now I prefer the Something_Smart wagon after that disaster of a series of posts, but I'm not bothered enough to switch unless it's a bigger wagon.

[Nukebringer]

Now my votes are literally sticking to the wagons that might get big enough for a lynch.

Join the club.

Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart

Actually, I am a little nervous that there's a sizable contingent of players who would lynch anything that moves just to get this game out of Day 1, but, again, I'm not moved enough to do anything about that. I'll maybe consider it after someone flips (would someone please flip).

[Nukebringer]

By the way, friends, this game is based on a multiplayer strategy game called DEFCON. It's a cool game, and, for the Steam Autumn Sale, it's dirt cheap at $1.49. Go buy it and nuke people to your heart's desire!

And maybe if a bunch of us own it, we can nuke each other outside of this Mafia game. Ihihi.

[Nukebringer]

DEFCON

[Nukebringer]

Let's lolwagon someone for their opening post.

Look me in the eye and tell me "But I didn't say anything because nobody asked me" is town behavior.

[Nukebringer]

yeah I just said that I thought they were subtly undermining the SS wagon. they're on my to-nuke list for definite if SS flips scum (and I think he will) but that read is dependent on seeing SS flip so let's do that first

[Nukebringer]

Ircher tier catchup

Not quite, but I think Errantparabola did do :goodposting: (and this is totally based on a self-centered read).

[Nukebringer]

Did I hear the words "bigger wagon"?

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

[Nukebringer]

Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart

[Nukebringer]

If this game gets to page 200 before we even lynch anyone, then I swear by all things that we will nuke Andrius just to end the game for everyone involved.

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Anyone. Really. Anyone.

It's obnoxious to have >60 pages to read... I've been pushing reading this thread to the side....

If you stopped writing tons of notes that become as outdated as textbooks at the thrift shop by the time you post them, then maybe reading will go a lot faster.

[Nukebringer]

Skimming for now, but I am having a hard time buying that Ser Arthur Dayne would try to save Something_Smart that hard when it would've been easier to bus the guy.

That mastina wagon was shit, however.

[Nukebringer]

There's also that I think after all of the stink that Spiff and I have made, there should have been more of a response from Nukebringer in general, but instead they've been pretty muted.

Also also feel like there's a very real possibility that they're trying to abuse hydra dynamics to avoid Fire posting things in the game after he got a lot of heat earlier in the game.

Admittedly, we joined only for the nukes, so having the game drag for days and days burned enthusiasm for both of us. Firebringer not posting is indeed deliberate; I asked him not to when he was about to get into a fight with Lady Lambdadelta because the last thing I want is to be involved in an altercation that gets ugly. I hate Mafia enough as it is.

I'll poke him, but I really don't care for his thoughts on Spiffeh because I still think he's wrong.

[Nukebringer]

I'm really sorry if you did roll scum this game :/

Game would be less insufferable if we had.

[Nukebringer]

Why do you think GI is town?

Not remembering that scum don't have a kill last Night is a good start?

[Nukebringer]

i have returned to kick ass and chew bubble gum.
forewarning, didn't read anything from day 1 after i left.
equinox kind of kept me up to date.

[Nukebringer]

I don't really have a strong scum read beyond Nukebringer so that is also an issue

Like a lot of the stuff MoI brought up about SAD makes sense I just still have a lot of doubt there

the longer you call us scum the more i have to question it.

[Nukebringer]

Lol are you for real Fire?

i am the realest.
whats up buddy?

[Nukebringer]

i think i am over my paranoia of MoI i was kind getting near end of day 1.

[Nukebringer]

whats up buddy?

You do nothing all game, and now you're coming back and acting like Spiff scumreading you is weird?
Why would his read have changed?

i have done plenty rude face.
also i left because of some people in game were annoying me, and i hoped equinox would be the level head of the hydra will i tried to find motivation to continue this game with ~annoying people~

[Nukebringer]

you certainly ignored the actual point of that post

ignored.

[Nukebringer]

It feels like it's been a century since you did something.
>:(

What's the last game-related thing you did?
Do you think your voting record with S_S flip looks good?

last thing i did was tell lld she was wrong.
I don't know how my voting record looks? Equinox told me both S_S and UT were good votes during last day and just wanted to quickly end it.

[Nukebringer]

That's not really game-related.
And it's the last thing I remember you doing too.
Do you really think that should be read as anything other than null?

me? I think i should be read as null. Though I do think my little outburst with lld was something i would only do as town, meh.
Equinox should be read as something.

[Nukebringer]

i am not following the current wagon on SAD at all, would someone enlighten me here?

[Nukebringer]

thanks zito

[Nukebringer]

Firebringer continues to claim scum

go on......

[Nukebringer]

i actually don't really agree with that case on SAD:
UNVOTE:

[Nukebringer]

@Spiffeh

Firebringer continues to claim scum

go on......

[Nukebringer]

I am stabbing the face of the next person who decides to talk about ancient history rather than the spectacular now.

[Nukebringer]

When GiF flips scum with the cop, I am going to LORD this over you.
This is such a damn scumclaim of an investigation it's not even funny.

But oh well.

His time will come.

Why would GuyInFreezer counterclaim his own buddy?

[Nukebringer]

Are you going to stab someone at night?
With a stealth bomber?

Stealth bombers can't stab, you silly goose.

[Nukebringer]

And personally, three of my strongest suspects right now are GiF, Zito, and RC.

How would these three people embody the trolling mentality you just described? RedCoyote, specifically.

[Nukebringer]

I'm starting to think mastina is town, regardless of Ser Arthur Dayne's alignment.

[Nukebringer]

Did someone say that it was time to party?

I will be in my last class of my Masters program!

Congratulations, Andrius!

[Nukebringer]

nuke Nukebringer

Nice, nice.

I applaud your ability to throw the first shot, friend.

You're going to regret this as soon as my partner gets here.

[Nukebringer]

SAD was a quality lynch and regardless whether you think so or not that's the truth.

No it wasn't.....

[Nukebringer]

quick someone nuke him it'll land before he gets back

The chances are pretty high that a nuke on Ircher would be wasted.

[Nukebringer]

VOTE: Red Coyote.

This is a bad vote and you should feel bad!

[Nukebringer]

Who should we nuke?

Why are you asking this question when this is the first phase where we can display true American individualism and nuke whoever we want?

[Nukebringer]

My heart says nuke LLD to the ground, but equinox told me not to :(

[Nukebringer]

Fuck you spiff you buddying jerk.

I told you so.

[Nukebringer]

Zzzz. Spiff being scum means nukebringer is maybe town then? That might be stupid but.

No, I am obviously the terrorist.
Get your shit together.

[Nukebringer]

Hint: because he's scum.

Vehemently disagree. Sure, I'd love to have dead Ircher just so he wouldn't need to catch up on 60+ pages of game, but he's not scum.

[Nukebringer]

Troll players:
SpyreX, Zito, Nukebringer (Firebringer), McMenno, LLD could for strategic reasons (otherwise no), UT, maybe-GIF, probably-Reck, possibly-GreyICE (not likely), Ircher.

Possible code writers:
SpyreX (doubtful), Red Coyote, MoI, Nukebringer (Equinox), LLD, GiF, maybe-Reck, Errant, probably-GreyICE, Nahdia.

Add or subtract as you see fit.

Why aren't you in the list of troll players?

[Nukebringer]

Why aren't you in the list of troll players?

I don't include myself in lists.
Except when I do.
Probably as a troll.

you suck at trolling.

[Nukebringer]

so GiF

how bout them cop results

he said hiplop isn't russian

[Nukebringer]

you suck at trolling.

I think we established this long ago. :P

one day i may open an academy on how to troll good.
probably never teach a lesson though.

because, you know, troll.

[Nukebringer]

is it nuking mastina?

i was thinking this too.

[Nukebringer]

lolhammering a town like that as scum would get him a lot of red target on his head no?

Would you expect anything else of McMenno, though?

[Nukebringer]

To be fair, I'm salty as fuck that the guy nuked us out of the gate, but whatever.

[Nukebringer]

I mean before game even started mcmenno private messaged me that he was going to nuke me regardless of what happens in the game.
Don't think that indicates his alignment at all, kind of just bad play.

[Nukebringer]

I WANT TO DO ALL THE CAPS. GREYICE TEACH ME TO CAPS!

[Nukebringer]

Hey, RedCoyote, get in here and do things so I can justify why I keep reading you as town with something other than "I want this guy to be town for once in his life".

[Nukebringer]

Equinox, lets nuke him!

[Nukebringer]

Also, mastina, GuyInFreezer is town, so you might want to spend your energies elsewhere!

[Nukebringer]

I refuse to be

assimilated

into the all caps club. From now on, I pledge to use the bold tag instead of caps for emphasis.

I will nuke you to the ground. I don't care what you've got. You're just going to die a slower death.

[Nukebringer]

Vote: Errantparabola

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Nukebringer]

im disappointed the terrorist isn't leaking stuff to us. no fun.

Wouldn't be surprised if the terrorist was afraid that their posting idiosyncrasies would be too noticeable.

Oh.

That's kinda disturbing, actually.

[Nukebringer]

Fallout shelter stops all nukes unless I'm mistaken.

How does it feel to not be part of the fun?

[Nukebringer]

:shifty:

Are you saying it's you?

Just give me a reason. Any reason.

[Nukebringer]

sup. looks like im getting called out for not posting.
i have to shower but i'll be here tonight.
im surprised, but not overly so about a spiffeh red flip

so is the case on me that i haven't done shit all this game
i guess i defended something smart, too. i stand by that-- the post in question is not inherently scummy in my opinion.

You're probably a dead person walking (too), so you might want to make your return here spectacular.

[Nukebringer]

VOTE: Ircher

???

[Nukebringer]

VOTE: McMenno

Hey. You don't get to self-vote and then vote someone else at the drop of a hat without saying anything. What gives?

[Nukebringer]

Simply guaging how people would react. What were you expecting, there was only 3 votes on me; I was in no danger of being lynched.

And what did you get out of it?

[Nukebringer]

What the fuck am I even reading in this game.

[Nukebringer]

Also, hiplop, go get loved by a stick, why don't you?

[Nukebringer]

Am I the only one who really doesn't think wreck lolnukes ut here? Sk is supposed to play low profile.

Well, yeah, but apparently people are easily excitable or something.

[Nukebringer]

Oh, and McMenno can go get rekt. :]

[Nukebringer]

:mindblown:

[Nukebringer]

i was thinking that earlier actually, like maybe the SK could grab 2 subs somehow? idk if they could double up with their free troop + draft though

Only one instance can be drafted. (Too lazy to quote.)

[Nukebringer]

Oh, lol, I'm not even reading the right section.

[Nukebringer]

firebringer returns. and i bring pudding

[Nukebringer]

pictured: papa zito, owner of two submarines

i don't see any submarines, this picture is a lie.

[Nukebringer]

Yeah. OK. I'm an idiot (as usual). It doesn't say anywhere. It's also probably pointless to argue anyway because Papa Zito is headed for radioactive heaven soon.

#CancelTheNuke should be a thing, though, but apparently we're waiting for ~magical things~ or something.

[Nukebringer]

time to nuke people.
without my partner approving.

WHO WANTS TO HAVE SOME FUN AND PLAY A GAME!?!?!?!!?

I volunteer mcmenno to come play.

[Nukebringer]

Yeah. OK. I'm an idiot (as usual). It doesn't say anywhere. It's also probably pointless to argue anyway because Papa Zito is headed for radioactive heaven soon.

#CancelTheNuke should be a thing, though, but apparently we're waiting for ~magical things~ or something.

no, ur the smart half of this hydra.

[Nukebringer]

In other news Accountant has 211 posts but who is this person and why are they in this game.

[Nukebringer]

I have graciously recalled my nuke on you and if you nuke me... I will call you a meanieface

get ready to start with a "m"

[Nukebringer]

If you spell out your name in this thread I swear by all the nuclear gods.

[Nukebringer]

you misspelled your name, its 'mcmemester"
get it right.

[Nukebringer]

For serious though I'm on the fence about Errantparabola because they ping like defeated town sort of but then again it's like ~nothing is there~ and I'd have expected more heat on us from them considering they've seen me play 10x better than this.

SpyreX's starting to worry me.

[Nukebringer]

Sometimes I mistake a mafia game for site chat.
Oh wait jk.

that doesn't sound like a bad thing friendo.
hows life cheet?

[Nukebringer]

i get the feeling reckoner is trying to say something with these gifs....
i just can't quite make out the message.

[Nukebringer]

Oh look
A page top



Fffff rc whyyy

Drink!

[Nukebringer]

I'm a rebel. You can't control me, man.

You're a disappointing rebel, though. But that's okay. We will meet again when our respective mushroom clouds clear.

[Nukebringer]

Well, it literally was a wall that would have kept you(r phone) out.

[Nukebringer]

So Reck's either the serial killer, or town.
In either case: not the best nuke, when his block action is far more valuable to us.

xRECKONERx is straight town. Serial killer is confirmed to have a submarine.

[Nukebringer]

I'm game for lynching McMenno.

Unvote, Vote: McMenno

[Nukebringer]

reading is scummy

[Nukebringer]

... yeah, I should stop posting.

[Nukebringer]

so's your face

where is elmo?
I liked elmo.

[Nukebringer]

wait wtf who the fuck nuked zito

mastina.

[Nukebringer]

during the froufrou surrounding the SS lynch, I said at the time that Nukebringer was almost definitely his buddy. I still think that.

lol k

[Nukebringer]

anyway you're scum die

Patience is a virtue, my dude.

[Nukebringer]

Oh, yeah. Should probably mention this now while we're still here. mastina's very likely not Russian scum just based on the leaks from Vaxkiller (which of course assumes Vaxkiller isn't scum, but let's float this anyway). She has a point that there's a specific tone to them. While I don't think scum are above faking it to a certain extent, I highly doubt mastina's usual tone wouldn't leak at some point.