DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: TOTAL WAR

[GuyInFreezer]

oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )

^
RED EVERYWHERE IN THIS POST

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll read the rest after work lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Save the nukes ppl
I'm nuking mastina.

[GuyInFreezer]

So who's town?

[GuyInFreezer]

the guy who said "hey i finally rolled town in a large theme" is town

Why?

[GuyInFreezer]

the guy who said "hey i finally rolled town in a large theme" is town

Why?

because scum don't make that post

Digging further will get me "too scummy to be scum" thing won't it

[GuyInFreezer]

of all the responses to 26

lolnope

[GuyInFreezer]

Man I haven't played the game this big in a while so it'll take me time to try to keep track of everyone lol

[GuyInFreezer]

refusing to commit to a read on Reck who called him solid Town for bad reasons

He left it there because if he called Reck town there it would've too obvious.

[GuyInFreezer]

it would've been*

[GuyInFreezer]

most of your questions/posts feel super uninvested.

You have sharp senses.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also Nahdia's town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also Nahdia's town.

scumscumscum

Your face is scumscumscum

[GuyInFreezer]

The difference is though their alignments.

[GuyInFreezer]

Was the SS town part explained already?

[GuyInFreezer]

Because low hanging fruit != town.

[GuyInFreezer]

??????????????????

[GuyInFreezer]

@SS, still want words on your opening please.

Derp sorry

Answer to your question is the latter (it wasn't intended as a reaction test per se) but I was curious as to how people would respond to it.

and also RC/GiF are you suggesting that low hanging fruit = scum? because it sounds like you're saying I'm scum for the same reasons you're saying I'm low hanging fruit while calling being low hanging fruit not indicative of alignment. (That made more sense in my head.)

Is that how logic work these days?

[GuyInFreezer]

Because low hanging fruit != town.

Well they usually lean town if they're making VI yet genuine sounding posts.

Which both Something Special and Nahdia are doing.

There happen to he more town than scum in a game of mafia too.

What about SS's posts were... genuine?

[GuyInFreezer]

Being a low hanging fruit doesn't equate to being town.
It can be from both alignments.

[GuyInFreezer]

Funnily I'm leaning SAD town.

[GuyInFreezer]

So it seems like I won't have much time tonight to do stuff. But I do owe some answers.

Few ppl asked about my scumread on SS.

1. #26 was terrible. Like, scum terrible.
2. And then he tries to get that passed off as... a reaction test. Subtly. I read some of his recent games and he sure ain't the type to use reaction tests. So yeah. I'll chalk that off as him trying to get away from all that by saying that it was just a reaction test.
3. Scum tend to do 2.

[GuyInFreezer]

There's this #4 too but it's kinda personal thing.
I enjoy reaction testing a lot in the most perverted (No, not sexually perverted) way possible, but I can't seem to find the purpose of reaction testing with stuff like #26.
Like, if he was actually reaction testing with that post, what exactly was he trying to fish and what kind of reaction was he looking for while doing that?

[GuyInFreezer]

you are nowhere yet

of all the responses to 26 I liked GiF's (78) the least and 207 and 213 sound a little forced.

>subtly implying 26 was a reaction test

every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way

[GuyInFreezer]

Well I did say subtly.

PEDIT: Backtracking!

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean, this whole thing matches up nicely.

He screws up with #26, people gives him flak, he tries to pass that off as reaction test.
Fails, so he backtracks.

Like, it matches up wayyyyyy to nicely to be considered as just a possibility. The timing and everything.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF what are your reads that aren't S_S?

Given my time that I had for this game, not much.

I have mastina in "Nuke!"
Nahdia as town
and SAD as town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I'm going to sheep LLD's read on GICE. I think unless they're both scum, she's prob telling the truth about that read regardless of her alignment.

[GuyInFreezer]

Okay so what do you think the scum intent for #26 was?

One of those "hey guys I'm town!" schtick.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't. But I'm expecting it to be in very high accuracy because they know each other well.

[GuyInFreezer]

We don't talk about that here.

[GuyInFreezer]

Lemme quote BBmolla here.

Subject: Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

Like that's like putting a cake out in the open and calling a dude mafia when he goes to eat it.

I just want fucking cake

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't. But I'm expecting it to be in very high accuracy because they know each other well.

In my limited experience, it isn't

Oh it isn't?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ugh does that mean I don't get to be lazy in this game?

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't think I ever played a game against scum GICE before. Only as town like twice. One it was in team mafia (and it was painfully obvious that he was town but damn, that game.) and one in that open game (I got killed N1.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Ideally one should be able to tell from the number of exclamation marks that I will not accept slayers gambit as a real answer.

I just wanted to overreact.

[GuyInFreezer]

But yeah I reeeeeally should be working on my assignments tonight. So I'll stop talking for today.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually if he outright said that it was a reaction test, I wouldn't be reading it scum as hard as now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also you're activating the TRAP CARD I set.

I'm actually intentionally pushing it harder than I usually do just because I saw your "TRAP CARD" post.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF is straight town at this point

Hopefully there are some seasoned commies to nuke

Yeah I agree.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I'm going to sheep LLD's read on GICE. I think unless they're both scum, she's prob telling the truth about that read regardless of her alignment.

so basically, the options are:

LLD scum, GreyICE town
LLD town, GreyICE town
LLD scum, GreyICE scum

So you've basically not narrowed down the possibilities at all, gj

But "LLD town, GreyICE scum" is not there. Clearly it narrowed down the possibility.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also this is me saying that so far whenever people say that certain posts are "forced" I don't see them forced.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also Cephrir looks meh but I do understand that this is still the glorified pre-game right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I wanted to pass it off as a reaction test, I'd be calling it a reaction test.

See, timing.

Show where my apparently subtle attempt to do so "failed"

It didn't get you any townpoints except for, well, SAD dude. Clearly you failed.

and why I couldn't have just said it was if I wanted to backtrack.

Because it would be silly thing to do against all the common sense as scum. But I'm a nutjob and I value silly things.

[GuyInFreezer]

your face is meh

[GuyInFreezer]

rip
thanks for playing anyway

[GuyInFreezer]

Well she's in my "not dealing with until Day 3" list.
But the whole point of the post was that unless they're both scum together, regardless of her alignment if LLD says GICE is town, then he probably is.
Which people shouted down at me for being lazy and the accuracy is not as high as I believed.

[GuyInFreezer]

Told me that the accuracy is not as high as I believed.

[GuyInFreezer]

To the fallout shelter I go

[GuyInFreezer]

Prod dodge
Cos I won't have time till tomorrow evening

[GuyInFreezer]

Ircher is town
so is MoI

bite me

[GuyInFreezer]

Vax is also town.
This is also 100% gutread from his ISO in general.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah Vax is still flipping town.

[GuyInFreezer]

conspiracy paranoia is mostly newbtown thing.

[GuyInFreezer]

P-Edit: Yeah GiF k. If he flips scum though you're dead.

And if he flips town your vote is mine.

[GuyInFreezer]

Chicken.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: someone

[GuyInFreezer]

He certainly posts like newb.

[GuyInFreezer]

"I think he's trying to fake something on me but I don't know what" doesn't sound like experienced to me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw, I didn't read anything past 3 pages, aside from what I've read before.

[GuyInFreezer]

He certainly posts like newb.

Because low hanging fruit != town.

Did I call him town for being a newb? No.

[GuyInFreezer]

conspiracy paranoia is mostly newbtown thing.

what are you referring to here

The part where he said "I think SAD is trying to fake something but I dunno exactly what" part.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF I want hard examples of you correctly reading newtown from before this off of gut.

Check my towngames.

Pick a random one and you'll probably find one instance.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh right I forgot about him

VOTE: Smart

[GuyInFreezer]

conspiracy paranoia is mostly newbtown thing.

what are you referring to here

The part where he said "I think SAD is trying to fake something but I dunno exactly what" part.

That's a conspiracy???

Well excuse my lack of vocab skills. That was the closest word I could think of <.<

[GuyInFreezer]

"I don't want to read more than three pages and I don't want to reference even one time I've done something I'm apparently confident enough in myself about that I'm willing to try and solely derail a wagon based on the three pages I've read and my gut".
Yeah.
Let's try and make me pissy this game.
Please.

Bite me
I'm on my phone and will for few more days.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm very tired and currently posting because I don't want to prod dodge again, but I guess that's kinda close enough.

[GuyInFreezer]

Maybe one day I'll properly catch up
But it ain't today.

so just to make Cheetory even more angry, I'm going to ask him to link the case on vax

so I can just reply every points with "No, you're wrong."

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm treating GIF's "he's paranoid newbtown" argument as exactly equivalent to "my gut says he's town"

Nah. If it's a gut read, I make it pretty clear.

[GuyInFreezer]

Maybe one day I'll properly catch up
But it ain't today.

so just to make Cheetory even more angry, I'm going to ask him to link the case on vax

so I can just reply every points with "No, you're wrong."

Actually, don't.
The chance is, I'm not going to read it anyway today.

[GuyInFreezer]

Guys

1517 was me making a joke about how I wasn't voting someone.

please

[GuyInFreezer]

Truth is that a good case hasn't been laid out on Vax.
I'm not really asking for a wagon to lynch on him.
But you standing in the way of the wagon based on gut with 3 pages of reading into the current gamestate is lame as hell, especially if you willing or able to put any reasonable effort into actually explaining why you're credible here or why we should care.
It's just annoying.

P-Edit: SAD.
I'm really willing to turn this ship around entirely if you pitch Vax as doing shit like rolefishing when he's clearly not.

Actually strictly speaking me saying someone will flip town doesn't mean I'm going to actively derail the lynch.

I just want to be able to say "I told you so"

I believe in lynching town for sake of rest of the town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I think Ircher asked me if I'm kind of a guy who posts 1-liners entire game while being a nutjob.

That's me, the one and only.

[GuyInFreezer]

So, Vax vs. Arthur ==> Town vs Town it seems

I agree.

[GuyInFreezer]

(I'm so being flaked again for loling a controversial read again)

[GuyInFreezer]

To be honest I would call Ircher town for that lulz-catchup he did but I am aware that effort != town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I REALLY should post after finish reading but I do enjoy giving people headaches.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey Cheet

I'm gonna guttownread rekt because of his 1601.

Just for you.

[GuyInFreezer]

RECK*

sorry phone autocorrect

[GuyInFreezer]

Reck my only concern is I'm doin a lot of fuckin about and i see ut and i very similarly at this time but that could be white noise

[GuyInFreezer]

I think ^ is what reck is trying to say.

[GuyInFreezer]

Don't make me put your avi into Mina's

[GuyInFreezer]

(For real though, I'll stop posting now. Did you know that I'm in top 10 posters in this game?)

[GuyInFreezer]

Nadia gets Counterintelligence, which strikes me as extremely town. Why would Mafia even bid on that? Unless they really think she's such a weak player that she needs the stupid role for town points, there's no reason to do that. I don't think Nadia is that weak, I don't think scum would do that anyway. Comfortable.

Counterintelligence screws with the reports and can secure the scum PT from being leaked once so I think the role is kinda huge for scum?
I do think that she's town though, but not because of that. She does get extra townpoint for straight up outing that she grabbed that one.

SAD's one of the few people I had a town read on during the posturing portion of the game.

I agree with SAD being town.
I can feel the frustration from him trying to convince ppl of his reason on vax scumread, which tends to come from town.

GIF is some pretty damn cheeky scum in a game where most of everyone has nukes. Would be SHOCKED if the scum QT didn't have something like "please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow". So either he told his scum team to suck his dick, or he's just asshole town.

Thank you for the compliment.

[GuyInFreezer]

In the distance, the world's smallest violin can be heard playing.

[GuyInFreezer]

And let’s not mention 1543. I mean that is the epitome of scum looking for things in ISO review they can sell as scummy as opposed to actually reading the game flow. GiF’s first vote is clearly a sarcastic response to Cheetory saying “you aren’t even voting someone”. And the second vote is clearly a vote for SS. There is not inherent scum motivation there. Yet SAD response of "WTF is this" is bad bad bad scum looking for nits to pick as opposed to actually looking for scum.

I think I know what's going on there but I'd rather have them explain it.

[GuyInFreezer]

I like this post. Something about GiF suggesting that Cheetory make a "deal" with him in regards to his vote's autonomy feels sketchy. Especially this early on.

That's because the joke is only complete when pieguy's here.

This.

I thought I responded to original SAD's post but I guess I didn't.
Where have I townread him for just being a newb or being a low hanging fruit or whatever?

1685 is good GIF.

Out of all my great posts you picked that one to be good? That post was literally consisted of (1)correcting a fact (2)explaining my townread in similar fashion of how I explained my vax townread (3) a sarcasm.

[GuyInFreezer]

Where have I townread [Vax] for just being a newb or being a low hanging fruit or whatever?

• [Vax's] conspiracy paranoia is mostly newbtown thing.

Yeah I said that.
So where have I town read Vax

JUST

for being a low hanging fruit?

[GuyInFreezer]

So Vax's alignment has no bearing whatsoever on your SAD read?

Not a ton, no. Why do you think it should?

LOL

MoI needs hardcore nuking.

He basically just said on thread that he's unwilling to revaluate based on a flip.

If that was a scumtell I would be lynched 99% of my games

[GuyInFreezer]

Now I want to know what was wrong about me voting "someone" and then voting "someone_special" without the context.

[GuyInFreezer]

"something_special"*

[GuyInFreezer]

Where have I townread [Vax] for just being a newb or being a low hanging fruit or whatever?

• [Vax's] conspiracy paranoia is mostly newbtown thing.

Yeah I said that.
So where have I town read Vax

JUST

for being a low hanging fruit?

You asked for when you townread Vax for being a newb

or

being low hanging fruit. I provided you with an example of the former. Now you're moving the goal posts.

Ok I'll chalk it up as my bad English. Let me clarify.

Where have I townread [Vax] for just being a newb or being a low hanging fruit¹ or whatever?

---

1. As in general sense of "looking easy to target"

[GuyInFreezer]

Now I want to know what was wrong about me voting "someone" and then voting "someone_special" without the context.

I read the vote for someone.

then I read the vote for special

which had the line "I totallly forgot about this person"

So I was confused because you'd clearly voted for him on the last page?

ok yeah that's what I figured.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also, even with the clarification my town read was based on something that newb

town

tend to do.

If you still can't find the difference I mean, then I give up.

[GuyInFreezer]

If you really think he's town, sell me on why he is and why someone else is a better lynch.

LOL

That sounds like fun exercise.
Even if you scum read him, pretend that you're townreading him and do it anyway.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also the fact that you aren't using that abhorrent site skin invalidates yours thoughts and feelings for the rest of the game

I'm going to nuke you D3.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah ok I'm comfortable with my vote.

Why.

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

S_S has been moved to the immediate nuke-age pile

why?

What exactly sounds fake?

[GuyInFreezer]

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

Yeah sorry no, you don't get to be generic. Words. Why is what he said bad and what sounds forced and be specific.

Well here you go answer this one ibstead.

[GuyInFreezer]

He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?

[GuyInFreezer]

Fallout: New F62.

[GuyInFreezer]

He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?

1. but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terrible

2. he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't

So how does 1 goes to 2?

[GuyInFreezer]

So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread.

I can. Why can't he?

[GuyInFreezer]

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

What is so "fake" about anything I have said?

uh

[GuyInFreezer]

please dont piss people off or you will be nuked until you glow

If this is not a lie or intentionally played with because they want to incriminate someone (small chance) or played with because vax scum

then this is most likely spyrex.

Actually I find that one funny because GICE mentioned the exact statement on thread.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF is some pretty damn cheeky scum in a game where most of everyone has nukes. Would be SHOCKED if the scum QT didn't have something like "please don't piss people off or you'll be nuked until you glow". So either he told his scum team to suck his dick, or he's just asshole town.

[GuyInFreezer]

@mod: does the eavesdrop's messages get the entire message or just the part of the message?

[GuyInFreezer]

can we lynch this or is our collective nuke boner too powerful

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[GuyInFreezer]

If I understood correctly the whole thing about LLD wanting that role was because of the cryptography.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also we can only guess who as scum would value which troops over others so this discussion is pointless.

[GuyInFreezer]

Espionage isn't that great for scum utility either though.

[GuyInFreezer]

I've only been able to phone follow but am I really seeing arguments that "Vax must be Town since he has Eavesdrop"?

Really?

Has LLD chimed in to call bullshit on that yet?

I mean I was townreading him even before all this shenanigans.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean if Vax is town scum won't leave him alive for too long.

Umm...

Like if you're suggesting they're gonna nightkill him anytime soon then umm...

I have some bad news for you.

Then he feeds us the leaks and disrupts scummuication in general.
weeeee pyp for scum

[GuyInFreezer]

his role bids are not alignment indicative

I think we should keep the role alive for now though.

[GuyInFreezer]

ok that came out wrong. Let me re-post it.

[GuyInFreezer]

his role bids are not alignment indicative

I think we should keep the role alive for now though.

^ All @ RC

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

with a heavy dose of making-shit-up-as-I-go-along mixed in.

Man why did you have to say this now

I was baiting him for more

[GuyInFreezer]

bc more the better

[GuyInFreezer]

with a heavy dose of making-shit-up-as-I-go-along mixed in.

Man why did you have to say this now

I was baiting him for more

Oh btw the explanation.

everything he said about me is awful and sounds faked.

> Main reasoning

It's bad because he's calling me scum. Particularly, he's fixating on my first post and just writing all the others off as not influential to change his read based on that. He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

> "He

could

be town if he actually barely read anything."

He "still" wants me to die as if I've been his strongest scumread all game; for that to be true he had to have been hardly reading anything.

And he did admit to hardly reading anything no?

> Presents that he actually barely read anything

but then he shouldn't be demanding that I be nuked because that's basically asking other people to follow his read that he admits is uninformed and terrible

he's trying to look like he believes in what he's doing when he doesn't

> changes to "he's scum because he barely read anything and pushing the read"

So I'm assuming that he can't honestly believe in a read that's based on not reading the thread.

I can. Why can't he?

because he explicitly cited having read ALL my posts as the reason for that read.

To be fair, it is possible that he scumreads me based on reading only what I've said. But to have me as his top scumread, to the point where he'd nuke me?

I don't buy it.

> Voila! He finally connected to this altered scenario into his original reasoning of "sounds fake" argument!

[GuyInFreezer]

Also noting that the timeframe between #1942 and #1944 was around 2 minutes, which shows no time to take the fact that he didn't know into any consideration.

[GuyInFreezer]

Umm.......

Unless obv he's scum.

So we're back to point 0, where his claim didn't change anything.

You still didn't get my point.

[GuyInFreezer]

I suck too much with words to get through some thicker skulls so I'll leave that to someone else who's better at sentence structuring.

[GuyInFreezer]

LLD what did we learn from PYP?

I think he's scum.

Who?

[GuyInFreezer]

>actually trying to look for scumtells based on eavesdropped posts

More time they spent on trolling cos of leaks, less time they spent to talk about something productive.

[GuyInFreezer]

I did mention that in that case he's just a glorified goon in a game filled with power roles.

[GuyInFreezer]

and it's manipulative too, though it doesn't seem like that was intentional.

Completely intentional and is manipulative.
Town wouldn't have done what you've done here so yeah

[GuyInFreezer]

It was intentionally manipulated to give either one response or other.

[GuyInFreezer]

More specifically, "If he's really scum, then he would've responded to this in this way" kind of thing.

[GuyInFreezer]

This is 2117 you're talking about?

I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.

[GuyInFreezer]

You are so predictive.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean you just literally voted me just because I said I was being manipulative.

[GuyInFreezer]

if that were true I'd have voted you in 2150.

You asked for confirmation so I doubt that.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean unless your reading comprehension skill is lower than AA9's, I really REALLY doubt that you thought I was talking about other post other than 2117.
And trust me, you can't get that any lower than AA9's.

[GuyInFreezer]

I got confirmation and still didn't vote you in 2153. If I had really voted you for admitting to being manipulative I wouldn't have cared which post it was in.

Then I guess it was "because GIF called me SCUM and GIF was being MANIPULATIVE and the thing was totally AWFUL and TOTALLY FORCED and HE CALLED ME SCUM"

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh I'm sorry. I forgot the "SOOOOO REACHING" part.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?

I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.

The difference between my usage of that sentence vs yours is that mine the answer is pretty obvious while yours you have no answer.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok so it had nothing to do with 2117. Why are you voting me again?

I'll let you figure that one out by yourself.

I loled

You should read what he says while being a bit tipsy.
It's even better.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Mod: Can I get this one ^ spoilered? It's too big.

If you can spoiler his entire ISO, it's even better.

[GuyInFreezer]

moving to desktop just because of that pic

my phone for some reason can't handle large animated picture.

[GuyInFreezer]

He clearly said that he doesn't think manipulativeness itself as a scum trait though.
(Unless he lied just because he didn't want to admit that I was right, which is a possibility.)

[GuyInFreezer]

lol

you're still doing it

I had my sister read the part of the game just now.

She thought the answer was obvious when I said that.
She did not think that the answer was obvious when you said that.

Joke's on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

(Oh btw before y'all get any funny idea about my playing ethics, she's 10.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Nah I wouldn't do that
Until she's 13.

[GuyInFreezer]

LLD rn:

[GuyInFreezer]

*reads the last 4 posts*

....lol?

You're welcome.

[GuyInFreezer]

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Fine with Something_Smart as well.

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[GuyInFreezer]

xavier frank tom laura

xRECKONERx, Fate, Toogeloo (Now Vex), LLD

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh I'm not trying to actually get anything from it.
I'm just killing time by tinfoiling.

[GuyInFreezer]

Uh

[GuyInFreezer]

^
TL;DR - Occam's Razor, Vax is probably more town than scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway I still support a Vaxkiller lynch.

I don't, and here's why.

What if, say, Vaxkiller was a cop instead? What if we knew that the roles capable of consistently fucking with said cop were gone?
That would leave a scum-Vaxkiller forced to consistently give accurate results, narrowing down the POE pool...
...Or force the scum to kill a town-Vaxkiller.

Vaxkiller claimed, and has used, his role in the most pro-town manner possible.
So where do you draw the line?

At a certain level, the mechanical benefits of a player > the play shortcomings of a player. ESPECIALLY when it comes to an automatic role. Vaxkiller cannot fuck up by targeting a player nobody wants targeted, for instance. Vaxkiller cannot claim to be blocked.

Now Vaxkiller was on my shortlist, sure.
But he wasn't actually on my scumlist.
I thought it was possible he was scum. It still is possible.
However, it is less likely than it was before. While it is not impossible for Vaxkiller to have been coached into taking that role as scum. While it is not impossible for Vaxkiller to be faking the results of the role. (Doubtful.) The explanation which makes the most sense to me is that Vaxkiller did indeed take the role.

Plus, his claim makes sense. Cop first means some third player got it. (Cop was my first.) Espionage second for him explains why I didn't get Espionage when it was my third. I buy what he's selling, and I say: let him live. See what the scum do. We know he doesn't have nukes. We also know he is not immune to nuking. We also know that his power if legitimate is a potential threat to the scumteam. So fuck lynching him, there are much better people we could eliminate D1. We can reconsider come D4. Not a day sooner.

TL;DR - Oops I messed up on the order he thought he claimed. Never mind me.

[GuyInFreezer]

What do you say to the idea that scum would want town to have Eavesdropper? As scum, I would prioritize the troops much differently. Further, scum had no idea that Toog/Vax would be in a situation to claim D1.

While I disagree with the premise of scum not knowing Vaxkiller would need to claim (he was being suspected well before Defcon 3, meaning people had time to predict the obvious), I agree with the conclusion that Vaxkiller is more likely town.

But that's at least in part because you're white knighting and I don't think that's defending a scumbuddy. Vaxkiller if scum isn't worth defending from a scumteam's point of view. So, Vaxkiller being defended by scum is being defended by players who know Vaxkiller is flipping town.

TL;DR - lol no scum would defend Vax scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like voting ut just hurts guys

???????????????

[GuyInFreezer]

VoteCount

Untrod Tripod [7] - mastina, Papa Zito, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, xRECKONERx, Nukebringer,

SpyreX

Something_Smart [7] - GuyInFreezer, Untrod Tripod, RedCoyote, Cephrir, Accountant, MagnaofIllusion, Spiffeh
Vaxkiller [3] - GreyICE, Lady Lambdadelta, Fate
Ircher [2] - McMenno, ErrantParabola
McMenno [1] - Ircher
GuyInFreezer [1] - Something_Smart
SpyreX [1] - Vaxkiller

Not Voting [2] - hiplop, Nahdia

With 24 alive it will take 13 to lynch.

It is now DEFCON 3. Day 1 will last until December 4th, 2016, at 13:00 hours.
COUNTDOWN: (expired on 2016-12-04 17:00:00)

Ser Arthur Dayne is V/LA until Friday.
MagnaofIllusion is V/LA this week.
Spiffeh is V/LA this week.
Papa Zito is V/LA this week.
Firebringer is V/LA this week.

[GuyInFreezer]

Scum 1: I'm going to choose this this this
Scum 2: No. Get in the sea.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm reading LLD as town since the moment I posted that hype gif.

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also remind me to never open page 99 with my phone lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Page 100.

Day 1


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hey. We had 60+ pages of pre-game. D1 actually lasted around 30 pages.

[GuyInFreezer]

Blame the

heretics

No-total-wars ppl.

[GuyInFreezer]

Untrod Tripod [6] - mastina, Papa Zito, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nukebringer, Fate
Something_Smart [7] - GuyInFreezer, Untrod Tripod, RedCoyote, Cephrir, Accountant, MagnaofIllusion, Spiffeh
Vaxkiller [1] - GreyICE
Ircher [2] - McMenno, ErrantParabola
McMenno [1] - Ircher
GuyInFreezer [1] - Something_Smart
SpyreX [1] - Vaxkiller
mastina [2] - Lady Lambdadelta, SpyreX

Not Voting [3] - hiplop, Nahdia, xRECKONERx

With 24 alive it will take 13 to lynch.

[GuyInFreezer]

Is this wagon actually gonna kick off?

Then I'm in.

VOTE: mastina

[GuyInFreezer]

Is this like America where I feel like I understand how people will vote but then all of a sudden oh my god why is everything on fire

join us

onward to D2!

[GuyInFreezer]

Your avi is now 四 instead of 死

[GuyInFreezer]

It's ok.
I'm not really scumreading mastina either.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: SS

[GuyInFreezer]

Zzzz Something Special's wagon looks like a disaster of a lynch waiting to happen.

Lynch anyway

This game is already a disaster.

[GuyInFreezer]

Now my votes are literally sticking to the wagons that might get big enough for a lynch.

[GuyInFreezer]

Woah I'm so high on that list now

[GuyInFreezer]

UT sorry to see you go man

[GuyInFreezer]

more townlean than scum yeah

[GuyInFreezer]

So how many of them are actually scummy

[GuyInFreezer]

because bad != scummy

[GuyInFreezer]

Plus many of the "laziness thing"
Well it's a Thanksgiving weekend.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh.

It's a gutread.
Maybe him agreeing with S_S scumread biased me a teeny bit.
But still a gutread.

[GuyInFreezer]

more specifically his reaction to his technically L-1 situation (since spyrex said he'll hammer every L-1 wagon without claim)

[GuyInFreezer]

his list of horseshit grows exponentially as he scrambles to save SS

If you look closely enough you'll see that Something Special isn't even opportunistically voting for you, or a big wagon.

If you really think as scum he wouldn't be trying harder to save his skin (*cough* like some other people) why in hell would you think a scum buddy would be trying this hard to save him like you're claiming I'm doing?

Counterargument = he's voting a vanity wagon that on one will join.

[GuyInFreezer]

Something_Smart [5] - RedCoyote, Cephrir, Spiffeh, Untrod Tripod, GuyInFreezer, Fate

Oh also this is 6, not 5, mod.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm just gonna nuke the dude the moment D3 starts no matter what happens. No problem.

[GuyInFreezer]

(Yes this is me saying that I don't buy his claim either.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, I've never had the scumread this confident since, like, my first game.

And I also lynched the claimed cop there, which was scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

Mastina let's have a fun here.

If UT's town, your vote proxies to mine for rest of the game.
If SS's scum, your nuke proxies to mine for rest of the game.

I will gladly offer the opposite.

[GuyInFreezer]

I managed to shake mastina's read with total of one post.

I'm so good at this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

No vote SS for justice

[GuyInFreezer]

This game went silly real fast.

[GuyInFreezer]

Screw "optimal" plan and stuff.
We don't deserve it.

I'm the real espionage. Proceed with justice please.
You probably want my draft pick

Espionage, battleship, nuke.

If SS is flipping red, then never ever talk about lynching UT ever again.
If SS is flipping terrorist, yay 100% accuracy result

[GuyInFreezer]

At least D1 will end before we reach 150 pages

[GuyInFreezer]

By the way, with the Something_smart wagon thoroughly demolished at this point, I can say:
Mission fucking accomplished.

Sorry mate.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I'm not going to investigate mastina.

There's a chance that I might die from immediate cancer.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: GIF

Still waiting for that one thing that no one could figure out with perfectly fine reading comprehension skill.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm waiting for mastina to post.

[GuyInFreezer]

Justice

It rains from above

[GuyInFreezer]

Why is MoI going after low hanging fruit.

Something Smart is probably town.

[GuyInFreezer]

SK is a meaniebutt. Discuss.

[GuyInFreezer]

I investigated Fate. He was not with Russians.
Unfortunately, we all know that already.

[GuyInFreezer]

Diceroll

Felt like if he was scum catching him would hurt scum quite a lot, and if he was town confirmed Fate could be q scary to scum.