DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Nukebringer]

Let's lolwagon someone for their opening post.

Look me in the eye and tell me "But I didn't say anything because nobody asked me" is town behavior.

[RedCoyote]

Votes I want to see going forward: hiplop, Errant, Grey and Reck.

[Cheetory6]

keep this in mind for later as UT was long pushed as an alternative that only collapsed when it became relevant

Is this bothering you?

[Untrod Tripod]

Let's lolwagon someone for their opening post.

let's be clear

it's not a lolwagon. I see that post as looking like nervous scum. It's a serious vote for me.

[RedCoyote]

Right but S_S is town.

how can you possibly look at their first post and say "yep, that's town"

It's not the first post, its the way he reacted to pressure.

That first post was terrible on every level. It has all the hallmarks of a scum intro. It was awkward, it was trying to not be awkward it was forced and ugly and bleh.

But... the pressure put on him has caused him to lash out in a manner that feels town to me.

I don't agree with this. Two points:

1) How he approached the Vax wagon with fencesitting (see: 1988 and 1990)
2) How he brought up the defensive/defeated "I'm not talking because no one is asking me questions" excuse (see: 1930)

[Cheetory6]

it's not a lolwagon. I see that post as looking like nervous scum. It's a serious vote for me.

K neat. You're probably the only vote of the last 4-5 that doesn't come across like a lolVote.
Do I get a response from you on Nukebringer and RECK now?

[RedCoyote]

keep this in mind for later as UT was long pushed as an alternative that only collapsed when it became relevant

Is this bothering you?

Right now? No, not particularly, but I'm not about to throw another rock in the pond, so to speak, after laying my body down on the Vax train. That said, it's worth keeping in mind moving forward. I haven't really read over the last 4-5 pages too closely, but I also never thought UT would be successful. For better or for worse, he holds enough clout with enough players that it just wouldn't happen over him fluffing it up. Does that make sense?

[RedCoyote]

EBWOP:

the UT wagon

would be successful

[RedCoyote]

[Town]---Vax-Cheet----Nahdia-Accountant-GIF--MoI--Grey-PZ--SAD---Ceph-Spiff-Nukebringer-Spy-Reck-Mastina-hiplop-[·]-LLD-Fate-McMenno-Ircher---UT-Errant-----SS-----------[Scum]

Something closer to this now. I'm taking off. Happy Thanksgiving!

[Spiffeh]

Tell me what you think about UT/Nukebringer being scum together.

They are both worthy of death (UT less so) but I have seen no indication of either of their scum flips implying the other flipping scum

[GuyInFreezer]

Woah I'm so high on that list now

[Untrod Tripod]

it's not a lolwagon. I see that post as looking like nervous scum. It's a serious vote for me.

K neat. You're probably the only vote of the last 4-5 that doesn't come across like a lolVote.
Do I get a response from you on Nukebringer and RECK now?

yeah, Reck's town. don't have much of a memory of Nuke which probably a bad sign since they have holy shit 111 posts. their last post looked like they were paraphrasing a post I made about SS. since I'm not on average being townread at the moment that seems like it might be an attempt to subtly undermine the wagon

[Cheetory6]

What happened to kill all hydras? Shouldn't that have been extra applicable when they jumped on your bandwagon for no reason while giving more attention and more questions to SS?

[McMenno]

Not much to comment on. The UT and Mastina wagons undercut one another (keep this in mind for later as UT was long pushed as an alternative that only collapsed when it became relevant ... and the same goes for Vax, naturally, though I think the claim was a valid variable), so all roads seem to lead back to SS. If anyone is online and wants to talk for the next 5-10 minutes, I'll be here. Otherwise I'm V/LA for the next couple of days.

what are you trying to say here

VOTE: untrod trodprod

[GreyICE]

Thats not something to announce, thats an implicit SDC blood pact SpyreX.

I only say this outloud because I'm sure half the playerlist is no longer reading

Page 99 killed my will to live, so this is a thing.

I still really want Vaxkiller. In PYP we chose the investigative roles and the vigs as the most important things for the scum to get. That's why I am almost positive Nadia is town. We got two different townies bidding 100 on Ninja to deny it from scum, and scum didn't even bid on Ninja. And it was the same thing that happened the previous PYP. He was scummy before that, and this doesn't help at all. His list is 100% what I would expect quite a few scum to submit.

[GreyICE]

Mastina's vote on UT was opportunistic as fuck.

I'd much rather lynch her if that's the choice

But I'm unsure as to why we aren't doing Vax.

[Spiffeh]

I hate that Nukebringer doesn't feel any certain way about either of the two leading wagons

it gives me the heeby jeebies

[GreyICE]

It means he shall die in a nuclear fire.

[Cheetory6]

I think there's a really definitely distinct chance that GI took my reads and flipped them upside down.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Listen if Reck is willing to put his friendship on the line and risk mislynching a friend that he enjoys mafia with I'm p sure that there's a very good chance he's right.

This, coupled with the fact UT only started doing something when he received heat, makes him good lynch

[GreyICE]

@SAD: That logic is terrible.

[Untrod Tripod]

Listen if Reck is willing to put his friendship on the line and risk mislynching a friend that he enjoys mafia with I'm p sure that there's a very good chance he's right.

This, coupled with the fact UT only started doing something when he received heat, makes him good lynch

of all the things I don't do, taking mafia personally is probably the thing I don't do the most

and Reck knows that

[Untrod Tripod]

What happened to kill all hydras? Shouldn't that have been extra applicable when they jumped on your bandwagon for no reason while giving more attention and more questions to SS?

hydras are for nuking

yeah I just said that I thought they were subtly undermining the SS wagon. they're on my to-nuke list for definite if SS flips scum (and I think he will) but that read is dependent on seeing SS flip so let's do that first

[GreyICE]

@UT: So you want us to kill the person who actively isn't paying attention to this game over you, the person who passively isn't paying much attention and certainly isn't posting much of anything?

That about sum it up?

[Nukebringer]

yeah I just said that I thought they were subtly undermining the SS wagon. they're on my to-nuke list for definite if SS flips scum (and I think he will) but that read is dependent on seeing SS flip so let's do that first