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Post Post #3100 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:47 pm

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In post 3097, Accountant wrote:
In post 3096, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Mastin let's be honest with ourselves ok?

"sacrificing" is a word that requires you to give something up, or lose something.

And you never had any hope of being charismatic, now or in any other mafia game.
LLD you know better than to bother engaging with the narrative scum is trying to spin
Narrative?

I just wanted to insult Mastin because she annoys me..

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Post Post #3101 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:48 pm

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I think it's clear that mastina is trying to get town to buy the idea that she's playing on some obscure strategy for secret purposes and reasons. That post about sacrificing charisma was clearly a part of that.
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Post Post #3102 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:49 pm

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In post 3015, GreyICE wrote:She's just fucking coasting as scum
I am in fact coasting.
It is indeed strategic coasting, too.

I am deliberately selecting, picking and choosing, what content I provide, what I will and will not respond to. I could be giving this game a lot more serious effort than I am giving it now, and I am DELIBERATELY choosing not to give that effort. This choice is not a choice made from real-life reasons (e.g. not wanting to devote too much time to this game). This is a choice I have made, fully with my alignment in mind and as a direct product of it.

So you're not
exactly
wrong here.

You are however, failing to grasp what precisely my strategy here is. There are multiple reasons, all of them pro-town, why I adapted this approach. The simple fact of the matter here is that right now, I'm in a position where the most likely outcome is one overall favorable to my agenda. I am almost positive the day will not end in a manner I am intensely displeased with. I only have a 50% chance of getting the day ending in a manner that I am intensely pleased with, but even if I cannot get that, then the other 50% is that I will get an end to the day I am at least okay with.

This is a game where there is low GAME risk (though high reputation risk I'll admit), and high reward.

And the only thing you can do is make a simple choice:
Accuse this of being scum bullshit, or accept I believe what I am saying. (Not that that excludes it from being bullshit. :P At a getogether, someone I know gave a quote which I felt IMMENSELY appropriate to my personality: "I took a calculated risk...but I'm really bad at math." :P)
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Post Post #3103 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:50 pm

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I still want to hear about my profile
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Post Post #3104 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:50 pm

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In post 3017, Cheetory6 wrote:Mastina is literally pissing off so many people with stuff she's doing. If you think that's coasting I don't know what to tell you????>????
Oi, I can piss people off
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Post Post #3105 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:52 pm

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Lynch mastina. Town who really have a master plan up their sleeve are excessively cocky rather than going "haha look at how bad a player I am dw guys it's all part of the Plan"
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Post Post #3106 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:53 pm

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Hey Mastin I read your RWBY Fancomic, and I had some questions.

Why does Ruby have a bow? You know that she has a Scythe right?

also, where's Yang? I'd figure Ruby's big sister would be seen somewhere right?

.... wait it's not fanfiction? But it's so bad! You mean she actually tried to be creative?

Mastin, have you been sued by Rooster Teeth yet?
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Post Post #3107 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:54 pm

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hey now that was uncalled for I liked the comic
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Post Post #3108 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:54 pm

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Yeah I liked RWBY too.
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Post Post #3109 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:54 pm

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I should watch RWBY someday. Maybe after Re:Zero
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Post Post #3110 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:55 pm

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Are we even playing mafia right now, LLD?
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Post Post #3111 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:57 pm

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In post 3110, Cheetory6 wrote:Are we even playing mafia right now, LLD?
:/
Currently? Marginally.

Mastin continues to ignore me, and that's fine. If Mastin wants to ignore me, I'll just say whatever I like about her and she can choose not to response as she likes.

that being said, the "psychological profile" thing kind of bothered me, so maybe I'm being a bit cruel.

/me shrugs
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Post Post #3112 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:00 pm

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I mean, the hope is to get Mastin to respond to questions instead of picking and choosing what she talks about, so people can see how bullshit her EVERYTHING is.

Want to know why an ISOdive on Mastin doesn't work? Because she refuses to respond to anything that may portray her in a negative light.
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Post Post #3113 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:02 pm

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In post 3024, Cheetory6 wrote:Is mastin stubborn with her reads as town?
Difficult question to answer.

To fully understand, first you must understand that there is ALWAYS two sides to the mastina in a mafia game:
The mastina you see, and the mastina she stops you from seeing. More than ANY other player, I change, I doubt, my reads.

You call bullshit! Yeah, I get that a lot.
Because you call bullshit off of the mastina you see.
Because that's the mastina I let you see.

I never let people in on the real mastina. The mastina within has doubts. Like, the mastina within screams doubt at LLD being scum. The mastina within holds paranoia of players like Cephrir and Nukebringer. The mastina within has even thought that Cheetory's doing nothing but basically white knighting could maybe be a mask for scum. Fuck! The mastina within has even dealt with the idea that maybe SAD could be scum.

The thing is, though, if I let the mastina within out, if I let the mastina within dominate me full-time.
I'd have no reads at all. Any time. I'd post something, then immediately take it back. I'd push an idea, then go, "wait, no, maybe I was wrong". Because my brain is
hardwired
to doubt. My brain is hardwired to be afraid. My brain is hardwired to experience fear of being wrong. My brain is hardwired to always think, "what if?". What if LLD actually is town? Originally, "What if UT is actually town?" And now, "What if I was originally right and UT was scum?" What if S_S actually was scum? What if Vaxkiller was actually scum? What if GreyICE was actually scum?

It's overwhelming. And it's useless. So, I...pick and choose. I tune out the smaller things. I deliberately shut them off. I ignore them. I ignore the smaller warning signs, and try to focus on the larger picture. I try to feel what the probabilities are. I would never get anywhere by feeling possibilities, because I feel EVERY possibility. Every damn day. Every moment I consider the game--and I ponder the game even when I'm away from a computer, crunching numbers and calculating--I have those scenarios in me. So I try to get the ones I think are strongest. I let what amounts to basically instinct guide me to what things are the strongest.

And
those
are what I present to people.
And inherent in those, is a bias. Because I am guessing at probabilities, I am deliberately ignoring evidence that goes against that probability. So I am intentionally tuning out potential information that clashes with a read.
In that regard...because of that fact.
When I present my reads, the mastina you see.
Looks to change only rarely. And slowly. And bitterly, even.

And by that appearance.

Yes, I am stubborn.
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Post Post #3114 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:03 pm

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I don't think I'd like the Mastina I don't see any more than the one I do see, but the change could be refreshing.
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Post Post #3115 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:04 pm

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I see how that post could be genuine emotion. I don't know if that makes it plainly town emotion. I will admit it gives me pause, but it is just two words and the first non scummy post I've seen him make
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Post Post #3116 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:04 pm

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In post 3026, GreyICE wrote:She posts them whenever she wants to get a rise. She promotes players who haven't posted in game to the top of the town pile. She switches her entire reads because a new theory occurred to her and she wants to see what reaction it gets. It follows no logic I can discern, and is mostly just for the hell of it.
This is all true, more or less.
And I can tell you why every name on that list is where it is and it's super boring.
GOOD.

Because the lists are one of the few areas this game where I'm
not
trolling.
No more than me in a normal game would, anyway. (Which is to say: not much.)
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Post Post #3117 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:06 pm

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In post 3115, Cephrir wrote:I see how that post could be genuine emotion. I don't know if that makes it plainly town emotion. I will admit it gives me pause, but it is just two words and the first non scummy post I've seen him make
Town make genuinely scummy posts far easier than scum make genuinely town posts. Just a thought.
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Post Post #3118 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:06 pm

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In post 3116, mastina wrote:This is all true, more or less.
So the readslist you were so fervently defending - to the point that you complained about people not following it - was full of shit all along?
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Post Post #3119 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:09 pm

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I mean, I'm still up for lynching vax. If he flips scum, I'll be less interested in pursuing ss.
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Post Post #3120 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:12 pm

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How about we compromise and you lynch mastin?
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Post Post #3121 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:13 pm

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In post 3050, Andrius wrote:Untrod Tripod [9] - Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate, Nukebringer
mastina [8] - Lady Lambdadelta, Papa Zito, SpyreX, GreyICE, xRECKONERx, Accountant, Untrod Tripod, RedCoyote
Something_Smart [2] - GuyInFreezer, MagnaofIllusion
Vaxkiller [2] - Cheetory6, Spiffeh
Lady Lambdadelta [1] - mastina
ErrantParabola [1] - hiplop
RedCoyote [1] - Cephrir
By the way, with the Something_smart wagon
thoroughly
demolished at this point, I can say:
Mission fucking accomplished.

Like I said: today will not end in a way I am intensely displeased with.

Oh and as general warning, that's as large as the mastina wagon will ever get. You've got maybe enough to get me to L-1 if you're absolutely lucky, by combining the policy voters with the scumreaders with the scum who can get away with voting me and not have it be a scumclaim with the apathy vote-any-wagon players. But if you look at the people who are self-described as scumreading me, policy-voting me, and apathy-vote-any-wagon players...(not to mention the players I have cast as being scum)

...Most of them are
already on me
. (The only two which 100% fall into one of those categories which aren't are Nukebringer and Fate, which'd bring me up to ten of thirteen needed.)

Like I said before. When I ran this gambit from the start, I knew there was a risk. 50/50 chance of me being the D1 lynch, 100% chance I get nuked the moment D3 begins if I lived through the lynch. But when I saw the game in effect and crunched the numbers, I reran the calculation. You simply don't have the numbers to lynch me today. You MIGHT have them tomorrow. (I doubt it.) You'll definitely have them on D3. But by D3 it'll be nuketime anyway, so.

You basically have two choices: stay on a wagon which won't go through, or pursue another wagon which might go through.
The day for my death will come.
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Post Post #3122 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:19 pm

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In post 3054, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE AN ACCURATE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE OF ME, LET ALONE OF ANYONE ON AN ONLINE WEB FORUM?
That's what true meta is: psychological profiling. Situational awareness is an extension of that. It is what a player is, and is not, likely to do. It is what a player is, and is not, likely to react to. It is what a player will, and will not do, as an alignment.

But to answer: No I don't hold absolute confidence in my psychological profile of you.

I lack experience playing with you.

I know of you by reputation, LLD. I have read games you have been in, LLD. But honestly. I don't think we have so much as ONCE played together. So my profile on you is based largely on flawed points: random snippets here and there. Your reputation as a player preceding you. Random facts I have gathered about you, compiled as coherently as I can make them. Little stuff from your actions in THIS game that added to the profile. And then, from that, creating the profile.

It is guesswork at best.

My psychological profile of you, as I have it, places you as being more likely than not to be scum, especially off of your earlier posting.

My psychological profile of you, however...hmm, let me guess what you would say...is "absolute shit".
So I have a scumread on you.

I don't know you well enough to know that scumread to be accurate.
I do however HOLD that scumread.
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Post Post #3123 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:21 pm

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so you have no faith in your scumread on LLD but put her at the bottom of your "not trolling" reads list?
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Post Post #3124 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:23 pm

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In post 3056, Untrod Tripod wrote:First, tell me about my profile. I'm curious
Well first off, I'll start by admitting that you, like LLD, I know more by reputation than by firsthand experience. I've seen you play a few times here and there, but only sporadically so.

Yet for you, the profile is relatively simple, and binary:
As town you will disguise content as trolling.
As scum, you will disguise trolling as content.

I was under the impression this game was the latter, but I have reason now to doubt this.
Second: bus...him...?
GreyICE was saying Zito is my obligatory scumbuddy-bus. I said if so, gladly lynch Zito, essentially.

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