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Post Post #3250 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:16 am

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Ser Arthur Dayne [4] - MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, Vaxkiller, hiplop
Nukebringer [1] - Cheetory6


Not Voting [17] - Everyone else

With 22 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

It is now DEFCON 2. Day 2 will last until 12/14/2016 at 10:00 hours PST.
[COUNTDOWN GOES HERE.]
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Post Post #3251 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:18 am

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So let’s have a look at how strongly SAD works Day 1 to protect SomethingSmart shall we?
In post 307, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 26, Something_Smart wrote:oh hey I finally rolled town in a large :P
but now I have 23 slots to sort... :shifty:
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. :roll: )
I'm dayvigging the shit out of you.
SAD’s response to SS’s scummy opening. But wait for it …
In post 485, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Why is MoI going after low hanging fruit.
In post 486, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Something Smart is probably town.
Oh look – the second someone voices suspicion of SS suddenly he’s “Low hanging fruit”. Funny that a great person to Nuke suddenly is Town simply because they were getting suspicion.
In post 519, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:PAPAZITO IS TOWN

CHEETORY666 IS TOWN

Something Special and Reck leaning town.
And the Town read (with no reasons for such) continues …
In post 601, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:You were making hella awkward posts though I needed to PRESSURE you like others did for Something Special.

Now you're both in the VI category of low hanging fruit that are prob town.

Now I will SET MY TRAP CARD:

To see who goes for the low hanging fruit.

MoI and Ceph have already fell into it.
Note the SAD is acknowledging that SS’s posts were worth pressure but everyone who pressured him is suspect. Nice little dichotomy.
In post 611, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 603, GuyInFreezer wrote:Because low hanging fruit != town.
Well they usually lean town if they're making VI yet genuine sounding posts.

Which both Something Special and Nahdia are doing.
STREEETTTCCCHHHING to justify that Something Smart’s posts were a reason to Town read him.
In post 622, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 405, Something_Smart wrote:re: the setup, I'll think about that when it's not 2 am.
^ This sounded genuine.

I think scum would have already discussed the setup in their private thread and most of them have already formed opinions about it.

So if scum were asked, even if they have have not formed a strong opinion themselves they would have leaned one way or another due to the amount of discussion regarding the setup in the private thread.

Now obv that's assuming scum discussed the setup, but I strongly believe in that and willing to go on that assumption.
Oh look – terrible reasoning to further justify his “genuine” read on SS’s posts.
In post 625, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Actually take this response on a whole:
In post 405, Something_Smart wrote:VOTE: For
In post 121, Cheetory6 wrote:Something_Smart.
Can you give some thoughts on the setup or some reads?
good question

re: the setup, I'll think about that when it's not 2 am.

re: reads, initial feelings say:
towny: Cheetory, mastina, UT, MoI, Spiffeh
scummy: Nukebringer, GiF, Cephrir
conflicting feelings: RC, LLD, Nahdia
discussion tabled for now- Reck
What's easier for scum:

To give thoughts on the setup
Or to give reads.

I think theorizing about the setup or giving your opinion about it etc is much much easier for scum seeing as they have other people who they've already talked to or seen talking about the setup.

The fact that he skips the setup question and answers the reads question just reads super genuine and townie.
To quote DJ Khalid – and another one …
In post 639, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:What do you think about what I said about Something Special?

Do you see it as genuine, someone who sincerely hasn't given much thought/bothered with the setup (because I can assure you scum would have much more thought about the setup - so your only two options really are that it reads genuine or that he faked not having any thoughts about the setup)?

Do you disagree that he went after something that is more dangerous when he could've went with the easier route?

And is this:
In post 78, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 26, Something_Smart wrote:oh hey I finally rolled town in a large :P
but now I have 23 slots to sort... :shifty:
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. :roll: )
^
RED EVERYWHERE IN THIS POST
You only reasoning for your scumread?

Pedit: @GIF
And here we see throwing shade at GiF to suggest that his suspicion of SS is bad – classic chain-sawing.
In post 700, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:How are you guys gonna strawman this hard:
In post 415, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 412, Accountant wrote:
In post 409, Something_Smart wrote:every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way
>being flippant to dodge the point I made
what's your point? obviously it wasn't intended to produce reactions. that doesn't mean I can't look at the reactions it did produce.
He admits he didn't intend for it to be a reaction test, he just happened to be looking at the reactions that it stirred up. I don't see the problem with that?
And yet another defense of how Town SS was.
In post 774, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MoI your whole interaction with Something Special is really

really

really

fucking forced.
I lolled hard when I got to this part of his ISO.
In post 1015, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 1012, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So SAD - why don't you clearly give us a scum read list and any Town reads you might have?
Cheetory, Something Special, Reck
Accountant, Mastina, Zito, Greyice, Nahdia
Mcmenno, EP, Vax, UT, Fate, Cephrir, hiplop, Nukebringer, RC, lrcher
Spyrex, MoI, LLD, GIF, Spiffeh
Oh look one Red Commie Scum flip in this Town and a Blue True American flip in his Null reads. This will be useful for further dissection when SAD flips scum.
In post 2441, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 2439, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2436, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:It has been 96 pages since Something Special's first post and UT wants to use it now to scumread him and want him lynched.
This is a shallow way of looking at it. UT is entirely right that the opening to a game is one of the most vulnerable times for scum.
I mean, if he caught it on page 3,

or 5, or 10, or anything that's not near page 100, sure.

But he's literally just using it now to scumread someone.
In post 2444, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 1899, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1878, Papa Zito wrote:I typically don't like tipping my hand to the scumteam as it is, in this game where I get to just fucking shoot them I'm even less inclined.
A man after my own heart.

I've been slammed lately, but I'm off work Wednesday-Sunday so I'll go back tonight and see what I've missed or skimmed. Off the top of my head though, I'm unsure why SS is getting a pass going into D1 considering that he hasn't done anything that made his first post(s) in the game less awful and his vote on my wagon was opportunistic and scummy as shit. mastina is still terrible and nukeworthy. Grey is town as fk. not a huge fan of Cheet's post right before this. Accountant is town.

vote SS
I still want this to die. I'm nuking it tomorrow, if I don't live that long someone else needs to nuke it.
> "I still want SS to die.
> First time mentioning Something Special in his life.
Cut to much later where SAD is still chainsawing at anyone who suspects SS.
In post 2525, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Zzzz Something Special's wagon looks like a disaster of a lynch waiting to happen.
LOL.
In post 2758, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 2741, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Well I guess SS is viable again ...

VOTE: Something Smart
Congrats you have jumped on all 3 leading wagons without good reasons.
Got to give him credit for balls calling my vote for someone he’s been calling me scum for suspecting as “without good reasons”.
In post 2760, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Here is where I'm at currently before end of Day1

Reck, Mastina, lrcher, Something Special,
Cheetory, Nahdia, Accountant, Greyice, Cephrir, hiplop, Spiffeh
Zito, Mcmenno, Nukebringer, RC, Fate, EP
Vaxkiller, Spyrex, GIF
UT, MoI, LLD

Need to evaluate some of those reads esp like tier 2 and 4 cuz I have faint memories of some of the slots. And need to actually put in the ~effort~ to pay attention to and prob reread some of the null slots.
In post 2761, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 2706, Something_Smart wrote:prodge because thanksgiving, etc
Claim asap tia.
In post 2765, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
DO NOT

DO NOT

COUNTER CLAIM
If you don’t see a pre-planned sequence here I can’t help you. It could not be more obvious that SAD knew the Cop claim was coming and wanted to make sure it didn’t get counter-claimed to save his buddy.
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Post Post #3252 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:19 am

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TL : DR Summary for whiners -

SAD spent all of Day 1 chainsawing and defending scum for moronic reasons. He set up a "Real Cop don't counterclaim" scenario to buy his buddy a few more days until he could get a Nuke off before dying.
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Post Post #3253 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:21 am

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VOTE: Nukebringer

Can we please do this
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Post Post #3254 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:22 am

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Although I disagree about the usefulness of scum's read lists that is a pretty good case
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Post Post #3255 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:23 am

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I'm kind of upset that mastina might be scum if SAD is scum.
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Post Post #3256 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:23 am

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That is a hell of a lot of evidence.

Spiff, in light of everything MoI just posted why do you prefer Nukebringer?

pedit can I plz ffs post this
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Post Post #3257 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:24 am

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I haven't read it yet I'm on my phone
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Post Post #3258 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 3221, Andrius wrote:
[Day 2, DEFCON 2]


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"Mr. President."
"Admiral Andrius. More good news, I hope?"
"Actua-"
"No, wait. You need to know that the Russian bomber fleet over Europe has not changed course. The Pacific is still crawling with the Russian flotilla. Andrius, this could get bad."
"Well, we prepared for this. The Task Force will be assembling any minute."
"Good. I'm taking the nation down to DEFCON 2 in response to the undeterred Russian advance. This could get ugly."
"Affirmative. I'll inform the fleet and advise the Task Force."


The old general had seen his fair share of combat. The war against the Europeans cost the nation many of its top leaders, and those who survived were often affected. He no longer commanded rooms with a blazing fury and brute force. He had responsibilities now.


When General Fate arrived at his office at 06:00 hours, he did not notice the fresh coffee awaiting him or the mountain of emails. He did not notice the new office plant in the corridor or the new hair style of his cheery secretary.

A block of C4 detonated as he opened his office door, ending his lengthy career as a loyal American.


Fate, American (Missile Silo), was Killed N1!



It is now DEFCON 2. Day 2 will last until 12/14/2016 at 10:00 hours PST.
[COUNTDOWN GOES HERE.]

With 22 alive it takes 12 to lynch.
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Post Post #3259 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:27 am

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Skimming for now, but I am having a hard time buying that Ser Arthur Dayne would try to save Something_Smart that hard when it would've been easier to bus the guy.

That mastina wagon was shit, however.
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Post Post #3260 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:28 am

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Now back to business –

@GreyICE
– why near the end of Day 1 was I your IC when I had been pushing your Town read SAD all day and you had not mentioned me before that point?

Glad to see a result from GiF even if it was on Fate.

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Can we please do this
Show me something at least as compelling as the SAD case and we can talk. Otherwise no.
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Post Post #3261 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:29 am

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vote nuke
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Post Post #3262 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:29 am

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Now that Fate is dead we can have auditions for auctioning off my nuke
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Post Post #3263 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:31 am

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It's not as good as SADcase, honestly, but Nukebringer's wagonhopping on and off UT/SSwagons was pretty gross. Especially the weird wavering of confidence/lackadaisical attitude toward both:
In post 3187, Cheetory6 wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2284, Nukebringer wrote:Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Fine with Something_Smart as well. Don't care for role arguments, but Vaxkiller can die in radioactive ash.
Nukebringer wrote:I like both equally. I just picked one.
Though to be completely honest right now I prefer the Something_Smart wagon after that disaster of a series of posts, but I'm not bothered enough to switch unless it's a bigger wagon.
In post 2533, Nukebringer wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart


Actually, I am a little nervous that there's a sizable contingent of players who would lynch anything that moves just to get this game out of Day 1, but, again, I'm not moved enough to do anything about that. I'll maybe consider it after someone flips (would someone please flip).
In post 2658, Nukebringer wrote:Did I hear the words "bigger wagon"?

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod
In post 2759, Nukebringer wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart
In post 2962, Nukebringer wrote:If this game gets to page 200 before we even lynch anyone, then I swear by all things that we will nuke Andrius just to end the game for everyone involved.

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod


Anyone. Really. Anyone.
In post 2954, Ircher wrote:It's obnoxious to have >60 pages to read... I've been pushing reading this thread to the side....
If you stopped writing tons of notes that become as outdated as textbooks at the thrift shop by the time you post them, then maybe reading will go a lot faster.

:flame:
P-Edit: Inb4 UT is SK who killed Fate to free up his nuke. :'D
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Post Post #3264 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:32 am

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Especially hate 2533.
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Post Post #3265 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:32 am

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In post 3259, Nukebringer wrote:That mastina wagon was shit, however.
It was also a justice.

VOTE: SAD
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Post Post #3266 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:32 am

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Vote: SAD
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Post Post #3267 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:34 am

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In post 3263, Cheetory6 wrote:P-Edit: Inb4 UT is SK who killed Fate to free up his nuke. :'D
I think that Fate being a Terrorist kill makes me more suspicious of a swath of players that includes UT, Spyrex, Reck, Grey and LLD as possible Terrorists.
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Post Post #3268 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:34 am

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In post 3263, Cheetory6 wrote:It's not as good as SADcase, honestly, but Nukebringer's wagonhopping on and off UT/SSwagons was pretty gross. Especially the weird wavering of confidence/lackadaisical attitude toward both:
In post 3187, Cheetory6 wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2284, Nukebringer wrote:Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod

Fine with Something_Smart as well. Don't care for role arguments, but Vaxkiller can die in radioactive ash.
Nukebringer wrote:I like both equally. I just picked one.
Though to be completely honest right now I prefer the Something_Smart wagon after that disaster of a series of posts, but I'm not bothered enough to switch unless it's a bigger wagon.
In post 2533, Nukebringer wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart


Actually, I am a little nervous that there's a sizable contingent of players who would lynch anything that moves just to get this game out of Day 1, but, again, I'm not moved enough to do anything about that. I'll maybe consider it after someone flips (would someone please flip).
In post 2658, Nukebringer wrote:Did I hear the words "bigger wagon"?

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod
In post 2759, Nukebringer wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Something_Smart
Cheet with a strong opening bid, who will unseat him???
In post 2962, Nukebringer wrote:If this game gets to page 200 before we even lynch anyone, then I swear by all things that we will nuke Andrius just to end the game for everyone involved.

Unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod


Anyone. Really. Anyone.
In post 2954, Ircher wrote:It's obnoxious to have >60 pages to read... I've been pushing reading this thread to the side....
If you stopped writing tons of notes that become as outdated as textbooks at the thrift shop by the time you post them, then maybe reading will go a lot faster.

:flame:
P-Edit: Inb4 UT is SK who killed Fate to free up his nuke. :'D
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Post Post #3269 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:35 am

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There's also that I think after all of the stink that Spiff and I have made, there should have been more of a response from Nukebringer in general, but instead they've been pretty muted.

Also also feel like there's a very real possibility that they're trying to abuse hydra dynamics to avoid Fire posting things in the game after he got a lot of heat earlier in the game.
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Post Post #3270 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:35 am

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@Vax: Is it a copy-paste error or something that's inserting lots of extra ? marks in your stuff? And also changing the capital Cs to capital Os?
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Post Post #3271 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:35 am

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Uhhh the text didn't save. Bottom should have read "Cheet makes a strong opening bid. Who will unseat him???"
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Post Post #3272 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:35 am

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In post 3262, Untrod Tripod wrote:Now that Fate is dead we can have auditions for auctioning off my nuke
I bid my vote + an awfully written song about how cool u r.

I regret going for eavesdrop now.

Mistakes were made.
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Post Post #3273 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:36 am

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In post 3078, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 3073, Something_Smart wrote:I'm sorry :/
Everyone lynching this is a scumbag or fucking in denial.

This is so fucking genuine in response to Cheetory
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Post Post #3274 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:37 am

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I'm reviewing how the Vaxkiller wagon became the S_S wagon. Scum had what was most likely a mislynch in their grasp, and let it slip away... what happened?

I like Ircher for posting a case on McMenno on the same page as Vax claiming eavesdropper. He was admittedly not voting for Vax in the first place, but this distraction probably didn't hurt, even though the case was dreadful despite being on someone I suspect. He then attempts to start a back and forth and gets into a fight with mastin about it.
In post 2062, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Anyway I still support a Vaxkiller lynch.

Him being eavesdropper changed very little. And so does his list. Scum would be contesting town roles anyway.

And Vax's posts, even of true, indicate scum are hiding their posts and self aware. so even in the slim possibility he is town we aren't losing much.
Interesting.

I hate to admit it, but RedCoyote trying to prevent Vax's lynch based on his claim then being one of the first votes on SS looks pretty good now.

Ordinarily I am a little bit less willing to ignore the possibility of players bussing and trying to look good for later, but SS having a nuke makes his survival until nuke phase noticeably better for the scumteam. If they could stop that lynch without sacrificing too much they definitely would have wanted to, and IMO that's why the early phases of his support starting is important. GIF is already obviously town so that's not helpful. UT and Accountant have relatively early chime-ins on moving that over as well. Then we have SAD coming in with one of the first UT votes... that sure does seem an awful lot like realizing Vax isn't going to work and looking for an alternative to SS.

Is it really that easy?
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