DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunno man annoying ppl just lead to lolnuke.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also is it bad if I want to read ppl who wanted SS dead post-claim not russian?

[Nukebringer]

It feels like it's been a century since you did something.
>:(

What's the last game-related thing you did?
Do you think your voting record with S_S flip looks good?

last thing i did was tell lld she was wrong.
I don't know how my voting record looks? Equinox told me both S_S and UT were good votes during last day and just wanted to quickly end it.

[Cheetory6]

That's not really game-related.
And it's the last thing I remember you doing too.
Do you really think that should be read as anything other than null?

[GuyInFreezer]

Let's do a "not-Russia" list.

[GuyInFreezer]

No explanation required, just names.

[Nukebringer]

That's not really game-related.
And it's the last thing I remember you doing too.
Do you really think that should be read as anything other than null?

me? I think i should be read as null. Though I do think my little outburst with lld was something i would only do as town, meh.
Equinox should be read as something.

[Papa Zito]

Let's do a "not-Russia" list.

uh why

[Nukebringer]

i am not following the current wagon on SAD at all, would someone enlighten me here?

[Papa Zito]

i am not following the current wagon on SAD at all, would someone enlighten me here?

So let’s have a look at how strongly SAD works Day 1 to protect SomethingSmart shall we?

oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )

I'm dayvigging the shit out of you.

SAD’s response to SS’s scummy opening. But wait for it …

Why is MoI going after low hanging fruit.

Something Smart is probably town.

Oh look – the second someone voices suspicion of SS suddenly he’s “Low hanging fruit”. Funny that a great person to Nuke suddenly is Town simply because they were getting suspicion.

PAPAZITO IS TOWN

CHEETORY666 IS TOWN

Something Special and Reck leaning town.

And the Town read (with no reasons for such) continues …

You were making hella awkward posts though I needed to PRESSURE you like others did for Something Special.

Now you're both in the VI category of low hanging fruit that are prob town.

Now I will SET MY TRAP CARD:

To see who goes for the low hanging fruit.

MoI and Ceph have already fell into it.

Note the SAD is acknowledging that SS’s posts were worth pressure but everyone who pressured him is suspect. Nice little dichotomy.

Because low hanging fruit != town.

Well they usually lean town if they're making VI yet genuine sounding posts.

Which both Something Special and Nahdia are doing.

STREEETTTCCCHHHING to justify that Something Smart’s posts were a reason to Town read him.

re: the setup, I'll think about that when it's not 2 am.

^ This sounded genuine.

I think scum would have already discussed the setup in their private thread and most of them have already formed opinions about it.

So if scum were asked, even if they have have not formed a strong opinion themselves they would have leaned one way or another due to the amount of discussion regarding the setup in the private thread.

Now obv that's assuming scum discussed the setup, but I strongly believe in that and willing to go on that assumption.

Oh look – terrible reasoning to further justify his “genuine” read on SS’s posts.

Actually take this response on a whole:

VOTE: For

Something_Smart.
Can you give some thoughts on the setup or some reads?

good question

re: the setup, I'll think about that when it's not 2 am.

re: reads, initial feelings say:
towny: Cheetory, mastina, UT, MoI, Spiffeh
scummy: Nukebringer, GiF, Cephrir
conflicting feelings: RC, LLD, Nahdia
discussion tabled for now- Reck

What's easier for scum:

To give thoughts on the setup
Or to give reads.

I think theorizing about the setup or giving your opinion about it etc is much much easier for scum seeing as they have other people who they've already talked to or seen talking about the setup.

The fact that he skips the setup question and answers the reads question just reads super genuine and townie.

To quote DJ Khalid – and another one …

What do you think about what I said about Something Special?

Do you see it as genuine, someone who sincerely hasn't given much thought/bothered with the setup (because I can assure you scum would have much more thought about the setup - so your only two options really are that it reads genuine or that he faked not having any thoughts about the setup)?

Do you disagree that he went after something that is more dangerous when he could've went with the easier route?

And is this:

oh hey I finally rolled town in a large
but now I have 23 slots to sort...
I'll probably just sheep people who are actually good. (Which is like, everybody. Except me. )

^
RED EVERYWHERE IN THIS POST

You only reasoning for your scumread?

Pedit: @GIF

And here we see throwing shade at GiF to suggest that his suspicion of SS is bad – classic chain-sawing.

How are you guys gonna strawman this hard:

every post is a reaction test if you think about it the right way

>being flippant to dodge the point I made

what's your point? obviously it wasn't intended to produce reactions. that doesn't mean I can't look at the reactions it did produce.

He admits he didn't intend for it to be a reaction test, he just happened to be looking at the reactions that it stirred up. I don't see the problem with that?

And yet another defense of how Town SS was.

MoI your whole interaction with Something Special is really

really

really

fucking forced.

I lolled hard when I got to this part of his ISO.

So SAD - why don't you clearly give us a scum read list and any Town reads you might have?

Cheetory, Something Special, Reck
Accountant, Mastina, Zito, Greyice, Nahdia
Mcmenno, EP, Vax, UT, Fate, Cephrir, hiplop, Nukebringer, RC, lrcher
Spyrex, MoI, LLD, GIF, Spiffeh

Oh look one Red Commie Scum flip in this Town and a Blue True American flip in his Null reads. This will be useful for further dissection when SAD flips scum.

It has been 96 pages since Something Special's first post and UT wants to use it now to scumread him and want him lynched.

This is a shallow way of looking at it. UT is entirely right that the opening to a game is one of the most vulnerable times for scum.

I mean, if he caught it on page 3,

or 5, or 10, or anything that's not near page 100, sure.

But he's literally just using it now to scumread someone.

I typically don't like tipping my hand to the scumteam as it is, in this game where I get to just fucking shoot them I'm even less inclined.

A man after my own heart.

I've been slammed lately, but I'm off work Wednesday-Sunday so I'll go back tonight and see what I've missed or skimmed. Off the top of my head though, I'm unsure why SS is getting a pass going into D1 considering that he hasn't done anything that made his first post(s) in the game less awful and his vote on my wagon was opportunistic and scummy as shit. mastina is still terrible and nukeworthy. Grey is town as fk. not a huge fan of Cheet's post right before this. Accountant is town.

vote SS

I still want this to die. I'm nuking it tomorrow, if I don't live that long someone else needs to nuke it.

> "I still want SS to die.
> First time mentioning Something Special in his life.

Cut to much later where SAD is still chainsawing at anyone who suspects SS.

Zzzz Something Special's wagon looks like a disaster of a lynch waiting to happen.

LOL.

Well I guess SS is viable again ...

VOTE: Something Smart

Congrats you have jumped on all 3 leading wagons without good reasons.

Got to give him credit for balls calling my vote for someone he’s been calling me scum for suspecting as “without good reasons”.

Here is where I'm at currently before end of Day1

Reck, Mastina, lrcher, Something Special,
Cheetory, Nahdia, Accountant, Greyice, Cephrir, hiplop, Spiffeh
Zito, Mcmenno, Nukebringer, RC, Fate, EP
Vaxkiller, Spyrex, GIF
UT, MoI, LLD

Need to evaluate some of those reads esp like tier 2 and 4 cuz I have faint memories of some of the slots. And need to actually put in the ~effort~ to pay attention to and prob reread some of the null slots.

prodge because thanksgiving, etc

Claim asap tia.

DO NOT

DO NOT

COUNTER CLAIM

If you don’t see a pre-planned sequence here I can’t help you. It could not be more obvious that SAD knew the Cop claim was coming and wanted to make sure it didn’t get counter-claimed to save his buddy.

[Nukebringer]

thanks zito

[Fate]

THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN A FATE NK

[mastina]

I feel really stupid saying this, but mastina's out of my townreads with S_S being scum :/

Not to worry, I have a foolproof method of proving I am town, and that is...my activity! Because, you see...I did not log into mastina at all between the time of the lynch and the time of day start! And clearly, that means there is no POSSIBLE way I am scum.

Clearly. Because surely not logging onto mastina is proof that I could in no way whatsoever be scum!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Not to worry, I have a foolproof method of proving I am town, and that is...my activity! Because, you see...I did not log into mastina at all between the time of the lynch and the time of day start! And clearly, that means there is no POSSIBLE way I am scum.

Clearly. Because surely not logging onto mastina is proof that I could in no way whatsoever be scum!

Lol. Just Lol.

[SpyreX]

Last night was terrorist right? This makes no sense but is total assholes

I think we need a wise young buck to do an analysis on the wagon jump. Theres at least one jumper who fled fast

[Cheetory6]

Why is this what you're talking about instead of the SAD wagon when you literally have been shouting from the rooftops that he's town all game?
:/

[Papa Zito]

Last night was terrorist right? This makes no sense but is total assholes

My best guess outside of random is Reck.

[Cephrir]

cheet layin down the real questions.

[mastina]

I'm waiting for mastina to post.

My thoughts on the matter of your counterclaim is that there is--at MINIMUM--a 50% chance you are pulling the move from my mini normal, by being the townier scum player who ACTUALLY has the cop, counterclaiming the scummier scumbuddy who was a goon, and that by having done so, you have earned immunity to scrutiny allowing you to coast for the rest of the game.

However, my thoughts are also that nobody gives a damn about my thoughts, so it's irrelevant. And even if for some unfathomable reason, someone did care about my opinion here and take it seriously, then my stance on the matter is that you have immunity for the same reason I would have granted immunity to Something_smart: regardless of whether that theory of mine is right or wrong, you remain an asset to the town. Town, scum, doesn't matter. You are above reproach because of your role.

[Cephrir]

gif has been town the whole game and i don't understand your vendetta with him.

[mastina]

FFS you guys were supposed to have lynched someone while I was gone. Now I have to read a bunch of nonsense.

^By the way.
Justsayin'.

All of Zito's posts around here are pure scumposting.

Thought I'd let you know.

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer continues to claim scum

[Cephrir]

FFS you guys were supposed to have lynched someone while I was gone. Now I have to read a bunch of nonsense.

^By the way.
Justsayin'.

All of Zito's posts around here are pure scumposting.

Thought I'd let you know.

they aren't

[Cephrir]

Firebringer not reevaluating his read on me after proving his earlier reason for scum reading me wrong is a scum claim

In case anyone was wondering

im gonna be real with you

im not reading your argument and i don't give a fuck about it because there's too much meta

[Spiffeh]

Because she knows her team didn't draw cop and she doesn't want to be investigated.

Counterintelligence is such a weak role for town that it would definitely counterclaim.

If someone would that'd be great.

I'm not entirely convinced that all the roles were taken tho given that our source for that particular bit of info is...mastin.

How would scum Nahdia know that and be confident enough to claim it as soon as possible?