DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, my role is pretty obvious if people have payed attention to what I have said concerning that....

Pedit: You said I could stop 1 nuke at best.... That's a role claim.

Well think about it.

If you're the thing that can shoot down nukes, it needs to be done publically, and only once a day.

Similarly, if you sabotaged someone's nuke, then that would also stop exactly one nuke.

And if you're fallout shelter, the second you don't die from being nuked, everyone would just lynch you instead since the other two are provable reasons and thus this is the only reason why you wouldn't have died.

At best, you stop 1 nuke.

[Nukebringer]

Fallout shelter stops all nukes unless I'm mistaken.

How does it feel to not be part of the fun?

[mastina]

People I don't want nuked this phase under any circumstance: {Accountant, Cheetory6, MoI,

Papa Zito

, Cephrir, Reck, SpyreX}
People I think are town but not enough to warrant being in the first group: {LLD, hiplop, mastina, SAD, McMenno,

RedCoyote

}
People I wouldn't mind seeing get nuked: {Untrod Tripod, Fate, GreyICE, Nahdia,

Something_Smart

, ErrantParabola,

Ircher

}
People that need to be lynched/nuked at the earliest opportunity: {

GIF

, Vaxkiller, Nukebringer}
I'm hoping the lynch phase will help me sort people in the third pile
Especially EP because I feel like I can actually get a definitive read there if they would actually post

if papa zito isn't scum then what? seems unlikely that his top tier.kek is all town

Cross that bridge when we come to it. We'll know Zito's alignment in 48 hours.
Also, just pointing out......

(Look at the lynched list. Nukebringer will be flipping not-Russian in less than 48 hours. Vaxkiller is almost assuredly town. That leaves GIF.
In the town group, hiplop has the cop innocent result on him. The possible scum there are therefore LLD/McMenno/RedCoyote. Guess who I'm putting my stock on. It's possible to find two scumbuddies in the third, middle category. We can assume not UT. I don't think it's GreyICE nor do I suspect Nahdia. So that leaves Errant/Ircher as the possibilities for scum there if there's a second in the category. Meaning, dueling wagons between Ircher and Errant...aren't such a bad idea.)

[GreyICE]

Why would anyone be rolefishing given how the game is going so far? We literally have as many dead scum players as town players, roles are NOT required at the moment.

[SpyreX]

More nukes. More. More

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why would anyone be rolefishing given how the game is going so far? We literally have as many dead scum players as town players, roles are NOT required at the moment.

I just waant Ircher nuked and I'm debating Mastin on the merits of it concerning Ircher's prior claim.

[McMenno]

im disappointed the terrorist isn't leaking stuff to us. no fun.

Wouldn't be surprised if the terrorist was afraid that their posting idiosyncrasies would be too noticeable.

Oh.

That's kinda disturbing, actually.

Fallout shelter stops all nukes unless I'm mistaken.

Role claiming, are you?

there don't seem to be any nukes flowing... disappointing

[Errantparabola]

sup. looks like im getting called out for not posting.
i have to shower but i'll be here tonight.
im surprised, but not overly so about a spiffeh red flip

so is the case on me that i haven't done shit all this game
i guess i defended something smart, too. i stand by that-- the post in question is not inherently scummy in my opinion.

[Nukebringer]

:shifty:

Are you saying it's you?

Just give me a reason. Any reason.

[Ircher]

@GreyICE -- Not role-fishing, just clarifying what Lamb suggested.... I see now....

Pedit: ... Unimpressive, you feel non-existent.

[Nukebringer]

sup. looks like im getting called out for not posting.
i have to shower but i'll be here tonight.
im surprised, but not overly so about a spiffeh red flip

so is the case on me that i haven't done shit all this game
i guess i defended something smart, too. i stand by that-- the post in question is not inherently scummy in my opinion.

You're probably a dead person walking (too), so you might want to make your return here spectacular.

[Ircher]

That was @Errant fyi

[GreyICE]

Yes, EP. The case is specifically that you have done nothing,

while being active on site

and also SS.

I'm fine shaking the UT wagon until the scum fall out.

[Andrius]

Votecount

Errantparabola [6] - GreyICE, Nukebringer, Lady Lambdadelta, GuyInFreezer, MagnaofIllusion, SpyreX
Ircher [3] - McMenno, mastina, Nahdia
McMenno [1] - Ircher

Not Voting [10] - Everyone else

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Ircher is V/LA until 12/5.
Magna is V/LA until Monday.

It is now DEFCON 1. Day 3 will last until 12/16/2016 at 21:00 hours PST.




Projected Impact Times:
Nukebringer: (expired on 2016-12-04 20:37:02)
Papa Zito: (expired on 2016-12-04 20:37:02)

[mastina]

People I don't want nuked this phase under any circumstance: {Accountant, Cheetory6, MoI, Papa Zito, Cephrir, Reck, SpyreX}
People I think are town but not enough to warrant being in the first group: {LLD, hiplop, mastina, SAD, McMenno, RedCoyote}
People I wouldn't mind seeing get nuked: {Untrod Tripod, Fate, GreyICE, Nahdia, Something_Smart, ErrantParabola, Ircher}
People that need to be lynched/nuked at the earliest opportunity: {GIF, Vaxkiller, Nukebringer}
I'm hoping the lynch phase will help me sort people in the third pile
Especially EP because I feel like I can actually get a definitive read there if they would actually post

^Basically, what I'm saying here is:
If Spiffeh bussed anyone, the only possible name there is GuyInFreezer. (Nukebringer will be flipping non-Russian, and Vaxkiller is town.)
Untrod Tripod is town for many reasons, the S_S wagon D1 among them. Fate is killed town. Nahdia and GreyICE are both townreads--if you disagree with them, you should have reason to speak up.

Something_smart flipped scum in there. Errantparabola and Ircher are both listed. If you think that there is a second scumbuddy listed in there (which is a STRONG probability), then their deaths should be a top priority.

In the "town but not town enough" group, hiplop is a cop innocent. SAD flipped town. I am town. So in here, which there VERY probably is a scumbuddy in, you have LLD/McMenno/RedCoyote as candidates. I personally don't think it's LLD/McMenno and do think it's RC.

In the strong town group, there is a strong chance of one scum, but probably no more. If Zito flips scum, the rest are town. If Zito flips town, then we probably have a scum in there...but that's not something I want to tackle. If you think you know who in there is scum, feel free to speak up about it.

That's why GiF, Errant, Ircher, and RedCoyote are all priorities for me right now.

[GreyICE]

I think Spiffeh hard bussed SS for town cred, and I also think he recognized that hard bussing everyone is a bad idea (for reasons that are very obvious right now).

[mastina]

FOR TOTAL WAR [17] - SpyreX, MagnaofIllusion, Untrod Tripod, Nukebringer, McMenno, Papa Zito, Spiffeh, GuyInFreezer, Errantparabola, Nahdia, Fate, mastina, hiplop, Accountant, Ser Arthur Dayne, Something_Smart, GreyICE
AGAINST TOTAL WAR [4] - xRECKONERx, Ircher, Cephrir, RedCoyote
Not Voting [3] - Lady Lambdadelta, Toogeloo, Cheetory6

^By the way, I still hold we had at least one scum vote against total war.

The reason I don't think it's Reckoner is because it took guts to do that: denying the game total war painted a target on his back.
While Reck's certainly a bold enough scum player where he could get away with that (and people would indeed pay him little heed for it), it still struck me as something that was more likely to come from town than from scum.

Now Ircher and RedCoyote, on the other hand......
(Cephrir's exempt because he's town.)

[Ircher]

Fyi Mastina, as I stated in the signup thread, I was voting no to Total War regardless of my alignment.

[GreyICE]

FOR TOTAL WAR [17] - SpyreX, MagnaofIllusion, Untrod Tripod, Nukebringer, McMenno, Papa Zito, Spiffeh, GuyInFreezer, Errantparabola, Nahdia, Fate, mastina, hiplop, Accountant, Ser Arthur Dayne, Something_Smart, GreyICE
AGAINST TOTAL WAR [4] - xRECKONERx, Ircher, Cephrir, RedCoyote
Not Voting [3] - Lady Lambdadelta, Toogeloo, Cheetory6

^By the way, I still hold we had at least one scum vote against total war.

The reason I don't think it's Reckoner is because it took guts to do that: denying the game total war painted a target on his back.
While Reck's certainly a bold enough scum player where he could get away with that (and people would indeed pay him little heed for it), it still struck me as something that was more likely to come from town than from scum.

Now Ircher and RedCoyote, on the other hand......
(Cephrir's exempt because he's town.)

Once one player voted against total war isn't it entirely irrelevant?

[GreyICE]

Like as I understand it as long as one player at all said no there was no total war.

So everything after Reck's vote was posturing.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

[Nukebringer]

VOTE: Ircher

???

[mastina]

Vaxkiller [9] -

Ser Arthur Dayne

, SpyreX,

Fate

,

Something_Smart

, Cheetory6, Cephrir,

Spiffeh

, Accountant, Papa Zito
Ser Arthur Dayne [2] - Lady Lambdadelta, Vaxkiller
Ircher [2] - McMenno, ErrantParabola
Something_Smart [2] - Ircher, GuyInFreezer
Untrod Tripod [1] - xRECKONERx
Lady Lambdadelta [1] - mastina

First Vaxkiller wagon. Both flipped scum on it. If there was at all any doubt as to Vaxkiller's innocence, this should lay it to rest.

Vaxkiller [9] -

Ser Arthur Dayne

, SpyreX,

Fate

, Cheetory6, Cephrir,

Spiffeh

, Papa Zito, GreyICE, MagnaofIllusion
Untrod Tripod [5] - xRECKONERx, Ircher, Accountant, mastina,

Something_Smart

Ser Arthur Dayne [2] - Lady Lambdadelta, Vaxkiller
Ircher [2] - McMenno, ErrantParabola
Something_Smart [1] - GuyInFreezer

Second peak of the Vaxkiller wagon. The UT wagon exists as a counter. There's Something_smart having switched: decent indicator both wagons were on town.

I'd prefer to wait until post-nukes to do anything more than this, though. Zito's color can change quite a lot in them.

[mastina]

Once one player voted against total war isn't it entirely irrelevant?

The point exactly.
Why WOULD RedCoyote, for instance, vote against Total War when it was entirely irrelevant?

[GreyICE]

Why vote for total war when it's irrelevant?

Why do anything in that phase of the game, the entire phase of the game was irrelevant