DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[mastina]

make sure to unearth this one

This sounds an awful lot like something relevant to either MoI or LLD.
It could theoretically be relevant to Cephrir if that message was made prior to my nuke on him, but it seems like it's scum preparing to make a point. The two players who have most made a point today are LLD and Magna.

[Nahdia]

peggy: maybe alice?
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we want to admire alice anyway.
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expect adverse effect to peggy from 294 but if needed maybe

might also cause reverse
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is admiring sam possible

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that would be great
even better for peggy if it happens without alice delivering
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peggy admire neil ?


Peggy is clearly scum, because they are talking about using an ability. This ability and peggy appears over a wide time and my guess is that they are still alive, and only peggy can admire, so is a troop of some sort.

So what troops are still active that people could have a question about their target (is admiring sam possible)

When are these from? Today?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also I got a chuckle out of 4998 seeing mastin almost break her neck going from "MoI is not a real scum read for me" earlier to that post which is classic smearing since I point out she needs to be dead as a doornail.

[Vaxkiller]

Ugh I just realized cephir has a nuke launched at him.
UNVOTE:
Let me think about what this means for possible scum partners.

No, theya re over a period of time. See 3243

[Nahdia]

Vax, many troops could have a question as to their target. Battleship, Covert Ops, Counterintelligence all do and they're still in play. Not to mention admiring could just mean

nuking

, or it could mean the night kill.

[mastina]

is admiring sam possible
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Could this eavessdrop be cephir saying
"Can I target myself with doc?"

Huh.
I've got a different take on that.

I think I'm sam.
Which isn't too out of this world.

mas

tina. Just switch the s and the m.

The message fits as something literally almost any of the players alive here would say: "Is admiring mastina even possible?"

[Nahdia]

I doubt the names have any connection to our usernames. It would be way more secure not to mention easy to just come up with a list of common names and put it next to the player list with no credence for what goes to who. They can all refer back to earlier posts in the scumread; they key was obviously made before DEFCON 3.

[Nahdia]

Gotta get back to work.

Vax, MoI, SpyreX, hiplop.

I want all of them dead. Everyone else is fine by me.

[GreyICE]

Stealth Bomber: Starting at DEFCON 2, you may deploy your Stealth Bomber once per Night Phase to kill a target player. This is a factional ability.

I'm thought factional meant that it didn't come from a specific player?

Wait, really?

Andrius, does a specific scum player submit the kill?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I suppose it's possible Cephrir is scum here, but it would not at all surprise me if MoI is rejoicing that we have THREE town players being nuked right now because that's exactly what he needs.

And you want to see why mastin needs death? Read this right here and think through the implications.

Mastin is calling me scum rejoicing in three Town being nuked. And yet she has the complete ability to call back that Nuke on Cephir.

If she really thought what she posted in there she's have aborted it to save Town Ceph.

And she doesn't. Instead she hedges saying Ceph still MIGHT be scum but spending all that time calling my post obvious scum posting.

Her words don't match up to her in-game actions.

[GreyICE]

Matina this nuke is going to fall on town. You should know it.

[Untrod Tripod]

Grey is this an attempt to look like you can't be scum because you don't know how the scum kill happens

because it's workingggggggggggggg

[MagnaofIllusion]

Gotta get back to work.

Vax, MoI, SpyreX, hiplop.

I want all of them dead. Everyone else is fine by me.

Also a reminder that Nahdia CANNOT make it to endgame with logic like this.

Because the only way that this ends the game for Town is if the scum team is Vax and Spyrex and hiplop is the Terrorist. Which would require Spyrex-Commie to have anticipated mastin's "master" gambit and thought mastin might Nuke a partner. Given that mastin has not scum-read a single scum so far that seems like a longshot.

[GreyICE]

Well I'm not scum, so...

[mastina]

And hell - the fact that they chose him over Reck or GiF says they had a vested interest in keeping all Nukes airborne.

You say this, yet you feel suspicious of both me (someone who was near-guaranteed to be nuked), and Cephrir (someone I made it clear I was going to nuke).

Sure the scum had a vested interest in keeping the nukes airborne! It's called "town were gonna nuke the shit out of one another", and lo and behold. The only one of the three nukes in the air which could POSSIBLY hit scum is the one heading towards Cephrir, and even that's not a surefire bet. (Literally only a 50/50 chance.)

[GreyICE]

Gotta get back to work.

Vax, MoI, SpyreX, hiplop.

I want all of them dead. Everyone else is fine by me.

Also a reminder that Nahdia CANNOT make it to endgame with logic like this.

Because the only way that this ends the game for Town is if the scum team is Vax and Spyrex and hiplop is the Terrorist. Which would require Spyrex-Commie to have anticipated mastin's "master" gambit and thought mastin might Nuke a partner. Given that mastin has not scum-read a single scum so far that seems like a longshot.

But she's town... seriously. I'd bet actual cash on it.

[mastina]

P.S. Looking at the role distribution... yeah, the commies still have a nuke. The commies were nuke loving bastards.

I'm flipping town in 36 hours. Not me.
hiplop has a cop check proving he's not Russian. Not him.

The ONLY two players left with nukes aside from us are Untrod Tripod and Cheetory6. Which of them, pray tell, are you calling a Russian?

The Russians don't have any nukes left.

[GreyICE]

Huh, I need to look at Cheetory again.

[MagnaofIllusion]

But she's town... seriously. I'd bet actual cash on it.

Maybe. But not all Town need to be in endgame. I can point to many, many examples of Town who cost Town the game.

Do you agree that group of four players makes sense as containing all three remaining scum?

[GreyICE]

No, it doesn't make sense. But I want to be lynching/nuking scum here, not town, because I still think we can skip out on endgame entirely.

[Nahdia]

But she's town... seriously. I'd bet actual cash on it.

Maybe. But not all Town need to be in endgame. I can point to many, many examples of Town who cost Town the game.

Do you agree that group of four players makes sense as containing all three remaining scum?

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

Never ever unvoting this. This isn't a town mindset at this point in the game. Not ever.

[MagnaofIllusion]

No, it doesn't make sense. But I want to be lynching/nuking scum here, not town, because I still think we can skip out on endgame entirely.

Then you misunderstand my point of the comment. Lynching her today is not my position. If there comes a point where a Nuke on Town can be spared then it would be a good move to have her be that glowing crater.

[Andrius]

Andrius, does a specific scum player submit the kill?

No, the factional nightkill is not assigned to any one member.
This explains why the Radar and Fighter cannot track or learn factional abilities, respectively.

The Terrorist benefits from a similar clause in that his kill is also a factional ability, being a product of his alignment and not the draft itself.

[Nahdia]

Stop acting like I'm a fucking liability when you're reads have been hot garbage all game. Did SAD flip scum? I think not.

[mastina]

peggy: maybe alice?
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expect adverse effect to peggy from 294 but if needed maybe

might also cause reverse
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that would be great
even better for peggy if it happens without alice delivering
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peggy admire neil ?

So I agree here that peggy is a scum player, and does indeed have a role. That limits the pool down to GI/MoI/Cephrir/SpyreX/Nahdia/LLD. From there, I can say I sincerely doubt Peggy means Nahdia.
Peggy might refer to SpyreX. Peggy refers to a player who pulled a stunt in-thread, which the scum were expecting potential adverse effects to...yet also thought it might be the opposite, that people could townread Peggy for the stunt. 294 clearly refers to the scum topic post where the plan is outlined for what Peggy is going to do in-thread.

Alice is probably GiF. Alice is a town player. Alice was also delivering, that means, role actioning. Pretty much the only players the scum knew were roles with actions are Reck and GiF. So here, the reference to Peggy refers to an event the scum think would be great, ESPECIALLY if GiF couldn't deliver something.