DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GreyICE]

Okay so only thing that could have possibly blocked the kill is the doctor protect or the airbase. That's nice to know.

Nahdia, do you think the doctor protect by Cephrir blocked the kill, given Firebringer's nuke target?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Stop acting like I'm a fucking liability when you're reads have been hot garbage all game. Did SAD flip scum? I think not.

[GreyICE]

Cool, if we could save the stage where my town reads vote each other for day 1 that'd be fucking awesome kthxbai

Mastina, please ground the missile

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, many troops could have a question as to their target. Battleship, Covert Ops, Counterintelligence all do and they're still in play. Not to mention admiring could just mean

nuking

, or it could mean the night kill.

I don't buy it. Peggy and alice both appear over time putting nuke in there just doesnt seem to fit. They would refer to them once and done (they would die) I think peggy and alice are both likely scum. All this is likely for naught however because cephir is getting nuked anyway.

Mastina, if your sam, your not sam because its close to your name. From waht I've eavesdropped the scum seem to ahve random names for everyone, it wouldnt make sense to make up nicknames that might correspond with them...

[mastina]

Mastina is calling me scum rejoicing in three Town being nuked. And yet she has the complete ability to call back that Nuke on Cephir.

Yes. I have also stated that, one, Cephrir is still potentially flipping scum, and two, even if he flips town that is valuable--nay,

vital

--information for the town to have.

In short, it doesn't matter what his alignment is. He needs to die anyway.
I was very clear about this earlier, but thanks for trying to paint this as scummy.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So I agree here that peggy is a scum player, and does indeed have a role. That limits the pool down to GI/MoI/Cephrir/SpyreX/Nahdia/LLD. From there, I can say I sincerely doubt Peggy means Nahdia.

Just want to point the obvious for people who don't read mastin's posts - this is so wrong it hurts. None of LLD, myself or GI have a role that can target. That much is abundantly clear even if you don't know which of the missing Roles with myself or GI has.

Yet Mastin is trying to include the three of us as possibilities.

Which is why even if Town mastin's nuke by UT is completely Pro-Town

[GreyICE]

So I agree here that peggy is a scum player, and does indeed have a role. That limits the pool down to GI/MoI/Cephrir/SpyreX/Nahdia/LLD. From there, I can say I sincerely doubt Peggy means Nahdia.

Just want to point the obvious for people who don't read mastin's posts - this is so wrong it hurts. None of LLD, myself or GI have a role that can target. That much is abundantly clear even if you don't know which of the missing Roles with myself or GI has.

Yet Mastin is trying to include the three of us as possibilities.

Which is why even if Town mastin's nuke by UT is completely Pro-Town

No that's not the nuke I'm trying to get recalled.

[Andrius]

Votecount

Lady Lambdadelta [1] - Vaxkiller
MagnaofIllusion [2] - mastina, Nahdia

Not Voting [8] - Everyone else

Nahdia is V/LA until 12/12.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
It is now Day Four, which will end at 21:00 PST on 12/21/2016.


Projected Impact Times:
Cephrir (expired on 2016-12-10 00:53:42)
mastina (expired on 2016-12-10 01:01:07)
Vaxkiller (expired on 2016-12-10 01:27:42)

[mastina]

Andrius, does a specific scum player submit the kill?

No, the factional nightkill is not assigned to any one member.
This explains why the Radar and Fighter cannot track or learn factional abilities, respectively.

The Terrorist benefits from a similar clause in that his kill is also a factional ability, being a product of his alignment and not the draft itself.

So what you're saying here is, the nightkills cannot be blocked at all by the aircraft carrier?

Well, uh.

Cancel launch

.
Technically I should wait for the mod to say yes.
But if the mod says yes. Then that means either Ceph stopped the scum kill (making him town), or the scum killed the holder of the airbase (which is either MoI or GreyICE), making THEM town.

It also technically reopens the gate for LLD to be the serial killer, but that's hiplop anyway.

[GreyICE]

THANK FUCK

[Nahdia]

Nahdia, do you think the doctor protect by Cephrir blocked the kill, given Firebringer's nuke target?

Probably, but that really depends on who has the Air Base. Andrius' answer just now makes it seem that the Aircraft Carrier can't have blocked the kill, meaning all that analysis is out the window.

So I agree here that peggy is a scum player, and does indeed have a role. That limits the pool down to GI/MoI/Cephrir/SpyreX/Nahdia/LLD. From there, I can say I sincerely doubt Peggy means Nahdia.

Just want to point the obvious for people who don't read mastin's posts - this is so wrong it hurts. None of LLD, myself or GI have a role that can target. That much is abundantly clear even if you don't know which of the missing Roles with myself or GI has.

Yet Mastin is trying to include the three of us as possibilities.

Which is why even if Town mastin's nuke by UT is completely Pro-Town

Alright, look.
UNVOTE:

I'm trying to be respectful here. I still have plenty of room to reassess especially after the current nukes in the air drop. But please just hear me out. I'm confused by this mindset you seem to have about mafia where everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you needs to die, no matter what. It just doesn't make sense. This game isn't about killing people who don't agree with you, it's about finding scum, something which seems to be second priority to you. From my perspective, your goal seems to be to kill the people you don't like. Normally, I would have trouble seeing any kind of town-motivation in legitimately pushing a multitude of liability kills. Even in the context of this game, I'm seriously struggling with it. If you're town, you have to work with me. If you think I've made an error in analysis or judgement, don't just say I need to die as a liability,

explain

it to me.

Please

. I'm not ridiculously stubborn, I will listen to you, and I will work with you.

[Cheetory6]

If roleblock can't affect nightkills from either scum or SK that's really dumb.
:/

[Nahdia]

GreyICE, who do you think is Russian? I'm having trouble with a MagnaofIllusion townread. And quite frankly, I think Vax is more likely than not going to flip town. My head is currently at MoI and SpyreX. Which one of my townreads is wrong?

[Andrius]

So what you're saying here is, the nightkills cannot be blocked at all by the aircraft carrier?

Cancel launch

.
.

You are correct.

And Launch has been aborted.

[Andrius]

Votecount

Lady Lambdadelta [1] - Vaxkiller
MagnaofIllusion [1] - mastina

Not Voting [9] - Everyone else

Nahdia is V/LA until 12/12.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
It is now Day Four, which will end at 21:00 PST on 12/21/2016.


Projected Impact Times:
mastina (expired on 2016-12-10 01:01:07)
Vaxkiller (expired on 2016-12-10 01:27:42)

[Nahdia]

FWIW, the earlier analysis involving RECK's block that LLD can't be terrorist is still correct, since the submarine nuke still went off without a hitch.

[Vaxkiller]

I don't think that launch should have been aborted. I'm still trying to follow the logic that mastia responded to, but i have to get home, will be posting later tonight. hiplop for the love of all that is mighty you need to cancel that shit. If he doesn't, kill hiplop for me.

[mastina]

So at this point.
Vaxkiller is town. He will presumably (short of sabotage) be flipping such. Cephrir is town. (I mean it's possible Cephrir's scum doc and scum hit the town airbase, but I'm going to bank on this.)
hiplop is not Russian. Neither am I.

SpyreX/MoI/LLD/UT/Cheetory/GreyICE/Nahdia.
Of those names, at this stage I'm actually most willing to call Nahdia town.

GreyICE/MoI are getting a pass until we see the sk's nuke go up. (Though, I happen to think that if MoI has the aircraft carrier, and he didn't vie for being investigated by the cop, he's more likely to be scum than not.)

So...of SpyreX/LLD/UT/Cheetory, there is at least one scum. Two, if you think both the aircraft carrier and the deadhand are town.

Tell me, in that group, who do you think the scum are? It's a serious question that I pose to literally everyone. In particular, GreyICE, Cephrir, LLD, MoI, Cheetory, and preferably also SpyreX and UT. Nahdia's input would be appreciated as well.

There is going to be one scum in that group at minimum. This is a belief you especially should be holding true if you're outside the group, e.g. Nahdia knows their alignment, Ceph knows his. Who of those four is/are scum?

[Nahdia]

SpyreX and LLD springs to mind as a possibility, since SpyreX would have been saving LLD presumably by nuking mastina. But that doesn't make sense since LLD had the fallout shelter, and it's not as if she shied away from claiming it.

I don't think that launch should have been aborted. I'm still trying to follow the logic that mastia responded to, but i have to get home, will be posting later tonight. hiplop for the love of all that is mighty you need to cancel that shit. If he doesn't, kill hiplop for me.

The logic is that since ACC can't block the kill, Nukebringer hitting Ircher now is that much more likely a result of Russians worrying the battleship would still protect GiF.

Although mastina's earlier speculation that a Russian battleship might have parked on GiF anyway just in case is still valid (although I personally find that a bit unlikely).

[GreyICE]

Gotta get back to work.

Vax, MoI, SpyreX, hiplop.

I want all of them dead. Everyone else is fine by me.

Also a reminder that Nahdia CANNOT make it to endgame with logic like this.

Because the only way that this ends the game for Town is if the scum team is Vax and Spyrex and hiplop is the Terrorist. Which would require Spyrex-Commie to have anticipated mastin's "master" gambit and thought mastin might Nuke a partner. Given that mastin has not scum-read a single scum so far that seems like a longshot.

So you think that MoI, with the aircraft carrier, should have asked for a cop investigate?

Walk me through that one Mastina.

[mastina]

I.

Uh.

I kinda think I should be doing this.

VOTE: Cheetory6.

[GreyICE]

OH FFS random quote bug:

So you think that MoI, with the aircraft carrier, should have asked for a cop investigate?

Walk me through that one Mastina.

[mastina]

So you think that MoI, with the aircraft carrier, should have asked for a cop investigate? Walk me through that one Mastina.

Derp.
I forgot that airbase isn't bulletproof, and is more akin to a perma-commute. Nevermind on that point.

[mastina]

Mod: if the aircraft carrier blocked the holder of a submarine, would the submarine still be able to launch the next day?

Just so we're not working under any

other

false assumptions here.

[Cheetory6]

LLD and Spyrex are my kneejerk scumreads.

I really don't see why Nahdia/you/Vax are out of the pile though.
Like, sure? I flux between thinking there's townie moments from you and Nahdia and to some extent I struggle to imagine Vax being able to come up with all of this for so long.
But that's literally nothing that would make me pull all of you out of the sortpile entirely. That's fucking ridiculous.