DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Nahdia]

Seriously. I respect you as a player but every time you address me I feel like you're trying to insult me. Rub all that confirmation bias out of your eyes, read those lines again, and try addressing me again without acting so damn arrogant.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's hard for me to tell if MoI is really capable of being this wrong or if it's calculated.

Because when it comes to his read on me, admittedly, if Cephrir flips town my earlier stuff relating to him looks bad, so I'll grant him all that.

But wrt Nahdia, I have a few problems

1) There's almost no way scum don't have a nuke with how the nukes today have gone. Our two remaining nukes both turbo nuked vanity targets that flipped town. One being town, I'll buy. Both being town? Seems unrealistic.

2) Nahdia;s fatalistic approach to this game has been town since GIF died on Night 3 and let me explain to you why.

If Nahdia truly was scum who picked CounterIntelligence (after claiming she would do it in thread at Defcon 5), she had to know she has a limited shelf life. There's no way she can reasonably expect, with people saing "Nahdia must die" every day, she'll live too long.

So with the option to try and kill the doctor on the table why didn't a Nahdia scum team frame me, and let GiF live one more day?

FURTHER, if you think that Nahdia and I are scum TOGETHER,

WHY WOULDN'T WE LET NAHDIA USE HER ABILITY TO LAWYER ME AND THEN KILL GIF AFTER?

Of all the pairings in the world, Nahdia+LLD makes the least sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, MoI can't have missed that right?

That if Nahdia and I were scum together there's no way night 3 goes down the way it did?

[SpyreX]

Woah now

Hiplop and mastin most definitely not vanity targets

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and let me predict the only available counter argument

"If you let GiF investigate you and Nahdia flips scum after she inevitably dies, then you'll look bad!"

And respond to it with

1) Even if Nahdia does flip scum, all it does is throw out the results, not flip them.
2) Even without the investigation, my desire to be investigated later on would still look terrible with a Nahdia scum flip.
3) It's not possible to look worse than I do right now regardless

So there's just no way a player like me who likes to win on their own at the end of the game wouldn't take that chance, especially given my power is the power to not be nuked.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Woah now

Hiplop and mastin most definitely not vanity targets

I told hiplop to nuke Vaxkiller and he

did

Given we knew Hippo was non russian and could only, at best, be SK, why would he ever let me just dictate his nuke? It's not like he knew Vaxkiller's alignment or how it would benefit him or not benefit him.

So yeah, that was a vanity nuke.

Also, Mastin dying was a god damned blessing to the game but holy shit UT nuking Mastin was done for vanity, not for an actual scum read.

Don't fucking try and deny that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh fuck Vi's scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At that point in time, when I told Cheet to nnuke GreyICE, I was set that GI was the fail safe.

So, theory time:

What if Cheetory is scum who desperately wants to kill the SK with his nuke. He doesn't know I'm wrong about GI's role (so MoI isn't Russian and neither is GreyICE) and doesn't want to die because he's scum. Instead, he chooses to nuke the person he's most concerned is the SK and frames it as "not wanting to be told what to do."

I've been slammed today for SK hunting but Cheetory literally nuked the only confirmed non-russian because he thought he might be SK and refused to nuke the possible Fail Safe.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was looking at this the wrong way with a 20/20 vision. I assumed not nuking GreyICE meant... ohhhhhh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No that fits too fucking well now that I think about it.

And it also fits with the dueling wagons from day 1 making UT less likely to be scum, given there's no way Vi/UT is a team...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

some small sliver of my soul still hopes Cephrir flips scum but the posting he's made since the nuke was launched has been too town oriented I think.

So then Nahdia or SpyreX and that's not even a competition in my mind.

But that means I need to convince MoI and UT to lynch... Vi? Lynching the scum nuke is the way we win, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause GreyICE genuinely believes I'm scum and wants to lynch me to further his win condition. He's wrong, but he's not being convinced of that so.

And Vi/SpyreX aren't ever bussing.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why does literally every townie need to be on the same page I hate my life.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's my final assesment. I agree with MoI's read on UT and my review of the nukes from today convinces me it's Vi>UT for scum nuke.

SpyreX is scum for reasons discussed before, MoI probably not scum due to the way his mind is progressing though his weird fucking shit trying to make a Nahdia/LLDpairing work is weird

[Cephrir]

I don't need to be on the same page, I'm dead!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't need to be on the same page, I'm dead!

If UT dies I'll be shocked.

If GreyICE dies I'm done.

[Untrod Tripod]

I could be talked into lynching Vi. His entrance into the game was really, really bad and looks to me like he's angling as hard as possible for a mislynch

[Andrius]

Votecount

SpyreX [1] - Cephrir
Lady Lambdadelta [1] - GreyICE

Not Voting [6] - SpyreX, Untrod Tripod, MagnaofIllusion, Lady Lambdadelta, Vi, Nahdia

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
It is now Day Four, which will end at 21:00 PST on 12/21/2016.


Nahdia is V/LA until 12/12.

Projected Impact Times:
Unknown: (expired on 2016-12-12 17:40:58)

Nuclear Detonation does NOT reset the Votecount.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I told hiplop to nuke Vaxkiller and he did

So you directed Town to nuke someone who looked very much like a Town player from the Day 1 wagons as opposed to your SK candidate GreyICE who can only be nuked or lynched huh?

Why is that again?

2) Nahdia;s fatalistic approach to this game has been town since GIF died on Night 3 and let me explain to you why.

If Nahdia truly was scum who picked CounterIntelligence (after claiming she would do it in thread at Defcon 5), she had to know she has a limited shelf life. There's no way she can reasonably expect, with people saing "Nahdia must die" every day, she'll live too long.

Lol. So your reasoning that she’s Town is because she’s doomed to die early if she was scum. Is that it? Because that sort of flies in the face of the fact that I called for her to be killed before endgame and she threw a literal temper tantrum. Go back and look. Her reaction basically was “OMG YOU ARE SCUM AND YOUR READS ARE GARBAGE”. Not fatalistic at all.

So with the option to try and kill the doctor on the table why didn't a Nahdia scum team frame me, and let GiF live one more day?

FURTHER, if you think that Nahdia and I are scum TOGETHER, WHY WOULDN'T WE LET NAHDIA USE HER ABILITY TO LAWYER ME AND THEN KILL GIF AFTER?

Let’s see – killing the Doc requires scum to take a shot between myself and Ceph (assuming that Ceph is Town for the sake of argument) with the downside of a mistake handing the FailSafe a free unblockable kill. Don’t let that little fact escape you ..

Also GiF living WITHOUT a missing Mafia kill means any Innocent she produces is put under WIFOM scrutiny. Nahdia herself said that was the only play for scum at that stage before Night so I’m not sure why you think that is such a Town point.

And that of course assumes that GiF doesn’t target Nahdia herself … can’t protect herself and a partner at the same time.

But yep .. keep on keepin on with those conclusions that ignore the gaping holes in your logic.

[SpyreX]

Like we rraaaly need to be on the same page here cause tomorrow needs to move fast the second nukes launch.

Soo you tell me what you need for me to be town or lynch me cause that cannot happen tomorrow

[Untrod Tripod]

Like we rraaaly need to be on the same page here cause tomorrow needs to move fast the second nukes launch.

Soo you tell me what you need for me to be town or lynch me cause that cannot happen tomorrow

who'd you shoot with the sub?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like we rraaaly need to be on the same page here cause tomorrow needs to move fast the second nukes launch.

Soo you tell me what you need for me to be town or lynch me cause that cannot happen tomorrow

who'd you shoot with the sub?

SpyreX doesn't have the sub, GreyICE does.

Holy shit this isn't hard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Whatever, MoI is making me not give a fuck anymore.

I'm back to hoping we lose.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

with an added side of "I hope MoI s town so he loses too and I get to watch him bitch about how it was anyone but his fault"

[MagnaofIllusion]

Whatever, MoI is making me not give a fuck anymore.

I'm back to hoping we lose.

And now we again get AtE ...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, MoI isn't looking to have an actual conversation in what is essentially lylo, he's looking to demean people and be a jerk.

That's why he opens with "lol" and not with actually looking to understand what someone is thinking.

So while people like me critically read his posts, and consider what he says and alter my reads to try and actually win this piece of shit game, he just tunnels and pretends he's still one of the best players on this site, when he's clearly lost a step.