Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

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I actually like what GM said about BBT unless it's a super catered pocketing attempt.

What did you like about it?

Not much has happened so far - we need to get a wagon going.

VOTE: Rask

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UNVOTE: Rask

Cool, Rask is town. Rask, who do you think is most likely to be scum from your wagon?

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Nah, Rask is town.

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VOTE: Sotty

I like this vote. Join us Rask.

Could lynch Hoopla as well.

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Prod received.

Will read up and post tomorrow.

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Reading up now.

Happy enough with

hoopla's post

on Michel to have him as my first town read. Hoopla piggybacks off this with a slight town read as well, even though she probably would point this out as scum or town.

Who is the first point about?

I don't like hoopla vote justified on association; If you scumread someone enough this early to look at associations, I think you'd keep pushing them instead. 57 is a little ridiculous.

Which Hoopla vote is justified by association? Also, the rest of this post was theory talk and I really don't like it upon rereading.

Not a fan of the Rask wagon. At the very least, he seems to be putting some effort into scumhunting, and the wishy-washyness is more likely to come from someone who has no clue as to who is scum, IMO.

Also, looking over goodmorning's ISO, I don't see a lot there that's making me feel good about the slot. Better bandwagon then Rask, IMO.

Vote: goodmorning

Why is wishy-washy more likely to come from town than it is to come from scum who don't want to appear to be pushing opinions too strongly?

Also, why did you choose GM to ISO?

Will anyone see my problem with this?

I get your problem, I'm just not sure if it makes Hoopla scum.

This is your second post with a lot of words that don't really say much.

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Rask is town everyone get off right now.
VOTE: Good morning
Everything they've said is cringy and seems forced to me

Why is Rask town?

Can you give some examples of GM's posting that you didn't like?

Feels like he started the wagon then panicked a little when it took off. I also remember BBTScum being very no nonsense cutting to the heart of the matter, were as townBBT being more open.

Couple of things; why does scum!BBT panic when a wagon takes off? Second thing, your meta-read is flat out inaccurate.

I'm having mixed feelings cause the first part of Scotty's post felt like BS but I agree with the BBT read started the bw and when rask towntold knew it wasn't gonna get far and got off rather quick
Of course could just be town who saw the towntell and got off but saying it's a scumread makes me seem smart so!

This is scum. The whole 'fence-sitting' thing looks like scum sitting back and waiting to see if a wagon takes off or not and then evaluating their options. Same question to you; why does scum!BBT jump off a forming wagon? And if you can see the action from both sides (town and scum) then surely the action becomes null and you have no justification for your scum read. Right? Because it looks like you're trying to buddy Sotty (syncing up reads) but trying not to be so obvious about it by slating the post first.

tbqh i just expect better of toffee by this point than 'oh, let's just bamdwagons'

I need to have time to invest in the game.

VOTE: Maria

Can this be a thing please?

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I'm with BlackVoid. BBT a good vote.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

I also think MariaR could be a good vote as well.

Reasons for your vote on me and why would Maria be a good vote?

Dont like
Scotty TF

Talk about these scum reads?

I'm not buying it.
VOTE: Cloudkicker

Why did the Cloud scum read overtake your scum read on Maria/myself?

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I know what fence sitting is - and you did it.

Are you gonna respond to anything else?

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I am leaning more BBTscum

I don't believe you have gave any reasons for this read. You should do that.

I THINK I like sotty now, although it really doesn't help that I saw her mentioned in the goat thread, and now that I check again its for scumplay no less.

Talk about why Sotty is town? I don't see it.

I think all the talk about the wagon on rask itself is really a wild goose chase and talking on it is pointless because it was a RVS wagon trying to think if scum were on the wagon or not is just trying to overthink when there are much more important topics you could be talking about

Maria has nothing else to comment on so decides to comment on a non-existent, no-longer-a-talking-point, RVS wagon on Rask. Why haven't we lynched this? Maria has very little in terms of reads and the ones she does have appear to have no progression to them. She is just idling, staying active whilst doing absolutely nothing.

Like, she says talking about the Rask wagon is pointless...whilst commenting on said wagon with not a word about anything else. Come on now.

Definitely disagree, his reasoning on BBT for example is actually pretty good.

What did you like?

sotty mostly only talks about it in 119, finding the bandwagoning scummy because... i'm not actually sure. she also says some stuff about meta but the things she says are different alignments look mutually inclusive. then she just harasses a lot of people to join the wagon.

idk if it really says anything about either of their alignments. sotty's disappointment at toffee's disappearance looked genuine but that's nai. didn't really get much else out of it.

Well it does, because Sotty was attempting to push a baseless scum read and instantly gave up on it when it wasn't going anywhere. She literally gave no reasons for why I was scum.

Jack was one of the 2 people I had a sr on and he hasn't done much to change it I think the fact he tried to look for scum on a RVS wagon pinged me the wrong way mostly because there was nothing to go off on it because it was a RVS wagon
Plus the disagreement we had so![/quote
More stale reads from Maria - no progression at all.

<3 : maria ( shes actually . leaning t)

Can you talk about your Maria town read please?

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Messed up a quote - 370, I put a response in to Maria.

As a side note, I'm struggling to make sense of this game. I think the GM/Victor/Hoopla thing has thrown me for a loop and I have no idea what any of them are talking about so I'm just going to skip it.

Page or so more and then I'm finally caught up.

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@BBT more recent reads, please pay attention. Also i def sr michel more than i did sotty and tf, tf is most likely town that is abrasive like it was pointed out recently.

Don't be a dick - I quite clearly had not read the entire game.

That's not fence sitting but okay
and I don't need to because if you were reading the thread you would see I already answered that question before you even asked.
Are you skimming or need to catch up or did you just "miss" the post?

Show me where you responded to my questions/comments that were said by other people.

That catch up however felt very forced and minimal and I don't like that Maria vote as a result. BBT what's your read on GM v Victor? Are you town reading Hoopla?

This is Sotty desperately trying to hold onto a BBT scum read. She is now justifying her scum read after the fact. What was forced about my catch up?

What don't you like about my Maria vote? Are you town reading her? If so, why?

See above for GM/Victor - I think Victor looks the better of the two if his latest post on the issue is correct. I think Hoopla could be town yeah but I haven't seen anything I would deem as strongly alignment indicative.

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I'm happy to lynch Maria/Sotty.

Not considering anyone else for Day One.

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Are you going to respond to anything or continue dodging?

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I have just recently leveled accusations your way - care to address them?

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Whilst you're there, show me where you responded to my previous questions/comments.

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What a predictably boring response.

Another dodge. I also noticed a change in your tone now that you notice I do have reasons to scum read you and you don't have a response.

Can we lynch Maria now?

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Wanna lynch Maria Rask?

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Another change in tone as if you're attempting to nullify my recent post.

There is plenty for you to respond to, you're choosing to ignore it, sweetheart.

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You can ignore me if you like.

You'll be eating rope by the end of D1.

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Rask, I'm not getting into a discussion with you when you got your tin-foil hat on.

I'll happily lynch Sotty, I'm just much more confident in Maria flipping scum right now.

PEdit - Look how Maria continues to dodge. You just ISO'd me, you know exactly what needs replying to otherwise you wouldn't be asking for me to quote it.

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@Black - My initial town read was genuine. But upon rereading I realised I didn't actually like his post as it included a lot of theory ad opposed to actual game content.

As well as this, his wagon analysis wasn't great and I probably saw Rask as town a bit more than I usually would because I wanted him to be town, if that makes sense?

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Shush Maria and wait until you're called to the galleys.

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It's funny that Maria knows there are things she needs to respond to and continues to pretend they don't exist.

Rask, please vote Maria with me.

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Lots of tin foil hats about.

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Maria, I told you to shush whilst you wait for your sentence.

Which will be death by hanging.

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Black, you're misunderstanding the bulk of my Maria scum read.

You're also correct that my reads are independent of each other - I try not to let associations colour my reads - especially on D1.

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Her lack of reads/read progression (non existent, all reads are stale) and general lack of contribution to the game despite posting quite a lot.

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Sorry Mod, can you replace me

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I guess it was only me who thought scum were super obvious.

Cloud had a decent early game though.