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[shannon]

OH NO! I MADE 2 POSTS THAT PAD OUT THE THREAD! WHAT WILL I EVER DO?!?!?!?
You're making a big deal out of nothing.

Seriously though, it is kinda annoying.

I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.

+1

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"

Anything can be shaken off like that.

Then you are really going to hate the way I get reads.

I do this by constantly matching up whether its more likely to come from Scum or Town. I do this by getting a picture of who that person is and use that to read if they would likely say that as Town or Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

OH NO! I MADE 2 POSTS THAT PAD OUT THE THREAD! WHAT WILL I EVER DO?!?!?!?
You're making a big deal out of nothing.

Seriously though, it is kinda annoying.

I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.

+1

If anyone can produce a good counter argument to why karnos is town and LQ scum please present it.

No argument here, I think LQ is townish.

I consider this a conflict of character. You read me based off vibe AFAIK and not based on deduction so either you don't understand what Jordan is saying or you are making quite the contradiction.

[shannon]

PEdit: I misread Jordan, specifically the bit 'a counter argument to why'. I don't have any particular read on Karnos but I town read you Lickety.

okay I ISO dived and by dived I mean skimmed.
I'm probably conf biasing you cuz now you're asking good questions that are meant to progress the game or atleast advance it so you're probs town.
Jordan seems strange in that he was attacking LQ's shitty logic but he thinks he's town?
That seems strange to me.
So I'm voting there now
VOTE: Jordan

So hang on: You were the one who originally brought up Lickety's reachy case on me. Jordan continued on with that case. Now you're town reading Lickety, but you're voting Jordan for doing the same thing you did? Not cool

VOTE: Alisae

I like my vote currently. I wanted to see if more people would vote Alisae if I pressure them. As I was pressuring them I was getting some clear Town tells that I use that make sense reasonable. Nothing solid on its own, but it all adds up.

So naturally I find shannon really opportunistic here.

TL;DR: I didn't say I had a Town read on Alisae after getting done tunneling on her because I wanted to see if anyone would use that to Scum read her.

I am trying to make sense of the part I bolded. Can you tell me whether this is correct:

1) You tunnelled Alisae as a kind of reaction test
2) You actually town read her
3) You wanted to see whether your pretend scum read on her would cause anyone else to scum read her

If that *is* what you're saying, then I don't get how you connected my vote on her back to your read of her. I am not making any reference to your read on Alisae, I'm calling her a hypocrite for her behaviour.

Lickety, you made a reachy case on me which you later referred to as 'getting out of RVS'. Alisae called you out and cased you for it. Jordan went further with calling you out and casing you.

Alisae has now changed her mind and town reads you, which is fine. But she votes Jordan for the case he made on you, which is hypocrisy, because she was making a similar case. And that's why I'm voting Alisae.

[LicketyQuickety]

PEdit: I misread Jordan, specifically the bit 'a counter argument to why'. I don't have any particular read on Karnos but I town read you Lickety.

okay I ISO dived and by dived I mean skimmed.
I'm probably conf biasing you cuz now you're asking good questions that are meant to progress the game or atleast advance it so you're probs town.
Jordan seems strange in that he was attacking LQ's shitty logic but he thinks he's town?
That seems strange to me.
So I'm voting there now
VOTE: Jordan

So hang on: You were the one who originally brought up Lickety's reachy case on me. Jordan continued on with that case. Now you're town reading Lickety, but you're voting Jordan for doing the same thing you did? Not cool

VOTE: Alisae

I like my vote currently. I wanted to see if more people would vote Alisae if I pressure them. As I was pressuring them I was getting some clear Town tells that I use that make sense reasonable. Nothing solid on its own, but it all adds up.

So naturally I find shannon really opportunistic here.

TL;DR: I didn't say I had a Town read on Alisae after getting done tunneling on her because I wanted to see if anyone would use that to Scum read her.

I am trying to make sense of the part I bolded. Can you tell me whether this is correct:

1) You tunnelled Alisae as a kind of reaction test
2) You actually town read her
3) You wanted to see whether your pretend scum read on her would cause anyone else to scum read her

If that *is* what you're saying, then I don't get how you connected my vote on her back to your read of her. I am not making any reference to your read on Alisae, I'm calling her a hypocrite for her behaviour.

Lickety, you made a reachy case on me which you later referred to as 'getting out of RVS'. Alisae called you out and cased you for it. Jordan went further with calling you out and casing you.

Alisae has now changed her mind and town reads you, which is fine. But she votes Jordan for the case he made on you, which is hypocrisy, because she was making a similar case. And that's why I'm voting Alisae.

You don't have to Vote Alisae for the same reasons as I introduced, you just have to see and opening to vote and take advantage of that for my reaction test to be valid.

I could just say Alisae has a Scummy meta and so that is why I felt leaving room for someone to take advantage of the fact I was pressuring her was a valid test.

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment. It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is.

My process of reading you is getting more developed as time goes by.

[Alisae]

LQ I know what you were trying to do.
Wouldn't it be more effective to try to see who has responded to it and who hasn't before you try to draw analysis off of it?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ I know what you were trying to do.
Wouldn't it be more effective to try to see who has responded to it and who hasn't before you try to draw analysis off of it?

Sometimes. I don't have a lot of time before I go to bed. That is the reason.

[shannon]

@Lickety -

What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.

I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.

It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but

when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is

.

This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:

1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.

Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.

[mastina]

<<< nydushermain requested replacement. And conveniently enough, we've got a replacement! TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaces nydushermain effective upon their posting. >>>

Seventh Votecount

:

Alisae - 3 (PranaDevil, nydushermain, shannon)

XnadrojX - 2 (karnos, Alisae)

karnos - 2 (Garmr, XnadrojX)
nydushermain - 1 (All Alone)
Garmr - 1 (KTthecreeper)
All Alone - 1 (Lexa)
shannon - 1 (LicketyQuickety)

Not Voting - 2 (BlueBloodedToffee, Pepchoninga)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.

[Alisae]

OMGAWD IT'S GIN

Sorry you replaced into a scum slot buddy.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Poo

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ego post so I can watch Mastinas game

<<< I would prefer people not currently in the game to not post in the game, considering that if everyone not in the game who wanted to be in the game did so, we might have two or three pages worth of ego posting. >>>

@Mod, LOLZ

<<< If you think I'm an entertaining player, just wait 'til you see me mod.
Oh wait. That's what you're doing now. >>>

[XnadrojX]

My read on LQ degenerated back down to slight scumlean. I'm still reading karnos harder, but if karnos flips Town I'm looking at LQ next.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly.

What.

[Alisae]

W0WIE I DIDN'T KNOW MUDKIPZ HAD AN ABILITY TO LINE UP LNYCHES.

<<< It's an HM called "lynchline". >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

Okay hold up. You're saying that asking for reasons, which equate to explanations, that equate to further analyzing of said reasons, don't promote the game forward?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

<<< I'm one of the three queens of VCA, so when I mod games, I give every possible variable that players would be interested in tracking during VCs. Hella lots of work, but worth it. <3 >>>

wtf did I just write.

There will be a king.

<<< Something something "the mod is an awesome woman" something. So, just the usual. >>>

Damn straight.

<<< Since that "there will be a king" quote wasn't part of Alisae's original post, I'm assuming there's a potentially botched quote response here, but I can't fix it because I'm not absolutely sure. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Allow me to destroy another post.

Seems like you tried to guess the reasoning, and then assumed I had none afterward. Weird.

If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.

I wasn't scum reading him based on his logic, it was his defensiveness and over-explaining himself that pinged me.

Also, isn't an opportunistic vote usually characterized as jumping on a growing wagon?

1. It's not weird, it's what Town does when they see a naked vote.
2. That's a trash argument, that's essentially saying he's scum for questioning you.
3. Not looking like that the way you voted
4. An opportunistic vote is when you see the opportunity to vote someone with little possible repurcussions, in this case, LQ was likely going to be wagoned and leading the wagon in advance like this has little implications on you tomorrow.

PEdit: I told him to go back to a newbie after he said this is a newbie game for questioning his analysis. I got pissed and telling him to go to a newbie is my way of telling him that he shouldn't tell people they suck when he's the one sucking.
I responded to LQ's points because they were absolute bullshit and you can't expect a straightminded person to just sit around and let such an obviously bullshit argument fly by without being questioned.

PEdit 2: No policy lynches are going to happen page 5

Goodposting

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

<<< I'm one of the three queens of VCA, so when I mod games, I give every possible variable that players would be interested in tracking during VCs. Hella lots of work, but worth it. <3 >>>

wtf did I just write.

There will be a king.

<<< Something something "the mod is an awesome woman" something. So, just the usual. >>>

Damn straight.

<<< Since that "there will be a king" quote wasn't part of Alisae's original post, I'm assuming there's a potentially botched quote response here, but I can't fix it because I'm not absolutely sure. >>>

Fuck I botched it.

Yeah I was going to be all like "King me"

<<< As you wish. >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

But XJordan's response in 91 took it way too far. His counter to Lickety looked way OTT, not to mention opportunistic.

Gut feel is that Jordan was afraid of looking opportunistic for voting Lickety.

Is he opportunistic or not?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Not much else to directly respond to. I get the sense that there is a clique of players here who all know each other pretty well, which usually means I get miss-lynched. My style always seems to come across as scummy when playing with people I haven't played with before.

That said:

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety

Probably not scum based on what has occurred in the thread.

VOTE: XnadrojX

Best bet for today. Might just be annoying town, but he is using a lot of shitty scum logic.

Mostly away today hosting a D&D game, so I don't expect to be around again until late or tomorrow.

One does not simply say someone is using shitty logic and doesn't explain how.
Might I say, does not simply get voted by one player and vote the accuser.
Good posting would have been you explaining the err's in his ways.
Unforunately, you decided to do fuck all.
So, I am willing to lend my vote.

I put a little easter egg in there for you to munch on.

VOTE: Karnos

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah no, BBT and Pep, you need to start doing the thing where you vote. Don't be like America and not fucking vote.

<<< The beautiful thing about mafia games is that there's no age restriction on voting, either! >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

One not so serious post before serious post.

Does the winning team get cookies?

<<< Depends. Is the winning team the dark side? >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Bad
Karnos
Lickety

Kinda Bad
BBT and Pep (VOTE)
KTthecreeper

Meh's
Lexa
All Alone
ReadPranaDevil

Decents
shannon
Garmr

Thumbs up
XnadrojX


God help us all
Alisae

P-Edit to Mod Note: Fuck cookies

[mastina]

As an aside: Going to bed now. Gotta get up at 6 AM for standard Sunday work. (Which means going to bed and getting some semblance of sleep.)