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[mastina]

Eighth Votecount

:

karnos - 3 (Garmr, XnadrojX, TheRealGin-N-Tonic)

Alisae - 2 (PranaDevil, shannon)

XnadrojX - 2 (karnos, Alisae)
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 1 (All Alone)
Garmr - 1 (KTthecreeper)
All Alone - 1 (Lexa)
shannon - 1 (LicketyQuickety)

Not Voting - 2 (BlueBloodedToffee, Pepchoninga)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• TheRealGin-N-Tonic replaces nydushermain.

[Alisae]

God help us all
Alisae

Why you so r00d ;~;

<<< Yeah, doesn't Gin know it's

Goddess

?!? >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The day you have a content to fluff ratio of about 1:1, that is the day I am no longer an atheist because there must be a god(dess for Mastina)

[Alisae]

Nah Gin, it's because I'm

your

goddess.

[Alisae]

With that said I think I'm going to need to re-read the Karnos stuff. Must be popular for a reason.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If I thunk it, you should think it.

[XnadrojX]

Not much else to directly respond to. I get the sense that there is a clique of players here who all know each other pretty well, which usually means I get miss-lynched. My style always seems to come across as scummy when playing with people I haven't played with before.

That said:

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety

Probably not scum based on what has occurred in the thread.

VOTE: XnadrojX

Best bet for today. Might just be annoying town, but he is using a lot of shitty scum logic.

Mostly away today hosting a D&D game, so I don't expect to be around again until late or tomorrow.

O

ne does not simply say someone is using shitty logic and doesn't explain how. O

M

ight I say, does not simply get voted by one player and vote the accuser. M

G

ood posting would have been you explaining the err's in his ways. G

U

nforunately, you decided to do fuck all. U

S

o, I am willing to lend my vote. S

I put a little easter egg in there for you to munch on.

VOTE: Karnos

I see what you did there.

[Pepchoninga]

First - Alisae is a he.

[Pepchoninga]

Second - the next person who says I'm bad for not voting is getting a lol.

[Pepchoninga]

Third - I kinda think that the situation with LQ and Alisae could be a very good start for an analysis. LQ asked good questions and Alis seemed to pile under the pressure. In the end he really slimily changed his vote and this was the end of the segment. Honestly Alis doing that is strange. Even stranger is that LQ though it should be the end of the conversation.

[Pepchoninga]

So you say that it was just a reaction test LQ? You basically making Alis lynchbait?

Seen that before...You played with Grey?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Karnos

[shannon]

My read on LQ degenerated back down to slight scumlean. I'm still reading karnos harder, but if karnos flips Town I'm looking at LQ next.

W0WIE I DIDN'T KNOW MUDKIPZ HAD AN ABILITY TO LINE UP LNYCHES.

<<< It's an HM called "lynchline". >>>

It was not very successful.

I don't get the connection you're seeing between Karnos and LQ, @Jordan

But XJordan's response in 91 took it way too far. His counter to Lickety looked way OTT, not to mention opportunistic.

Gut feel is that Jordan was afraid of looking opportunistic for voting Lickety.

Is he opportunistic or not?

At the time I posted that, Jordan's case on Lickety looked opportunistic, like he was just sinking the boot in because Alisae did and thought he might get something out of it. When he didn't vote Lickety, it made me think that Jordan wanted to *start* something on Lickety, but not have to do the dirty work (voting) himself. Like he would take the opportunity to get a wagon underway, without having to do much, but he didn't want it to *look like* that so he didn't vote.

It has since been pointed out that Jordan didn't use 'scum read' language. And it's been suggested that I might have misunderstood his intentions with Lickety, and that Jordan's lack of vote on Lickety was justified. I'm a bit unsure about that but I'm willing to admit that reading people's intentions is not my forte, and as I said, I would have added a vote if I'd used the kind of language Jordan did about Lickety.

I currently think Alisae came out of the whole thing looking worst. I think it was he who had asked Jordan to wagon? (I'll need to check that that's right). My town read on Lickety is eroding a bit, because the case he just tried to make on me - scum reading me for not being emotional - is just complete rubbish. Not only because I know my role, but because it's just ass backwards. Jordan ... I'm interested in how he's sticking with his guns, and I think I need to re-read to see what he's pointing to. A weak town read there, I guess.

I can't help but wonder whether this whole thing is a distraction and scum are happily lurking out watching us pick at each other for minor stuff. It's encouraging to see you posting substantive stuff so quickly after replacing in.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Second - the next person who says I'm bad for not voting is getting a lol.

If you don't vote I'm calling you Pepe le Pew for the rest of the game.

[LicketyQuickety]

My process of reading you is getting more developed as time goes by.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety -

What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.

I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.

It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but

when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is

.

This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:

1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.

Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.

1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.

4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

LQ, why should I like you?

[Garmr]

@Lickety -

What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.

I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.

It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but

when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is

.

This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:

1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.

Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.

1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.

4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

Talking about throwing empty shade and not following up on it.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, why should I like you?

Why should you like me? IDK.

I understand full well I don't play like most people (its even in my sig).

I just ask you reserve judgement until you see what my weird way of playing leads to. I am actually not bad at this game. I just play differently and because of this it gets me Scum read sometimes.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Lickety -

What opening though? My vote on her has nothing to do with you pressuring her.

I have to point out how terrible your logic is in this part:

Also, Expect Scum to reply in the same way you did. I was thinking about the counter argument you could have made that would have been better, but I find it Scummy that you didn't use that one and decided to base your argument based on facts instead of sentiment.

It is my opinion that Town generally bases more of their arguments on sentiment than facts, at least in my experience. True people can use either or as both alignments but

when one is neglected over the other is when it becomes clearer what that persons motivation is

.

This is just plain bad, for so many reasons:

1) I had no need to think of the Best Possible Counterargument because I'm only giving my *actual* counterargument, which is to state my actual reasons for voting Alisae.
2) Why is it scummy to avoid Appeal to Emotion? Especially when there's no emotion involved? I've played multiple games where people have made exactly the opposite claim to you; that acting emotionally is scummy because there are no good reasons to fall back on
3) It seems you know I'm telling the truth, and yet you think I should have told an emotional lie because it would have been more convincing. That is very weird to me.

Also, is there a plan for you to do anything other than 'reaction test' and then claim that whoever reacts is doing what you'd expect scum to do? That schtick is getting old, and it's less convincing each time you claim it.

1) I'm not talking about you giving your reasons for voting Alisae, I am talking about you giving your counter argument to what I said.
2) I am not talking about giving an argument based on AtE. I am talking about arguing a point that is emotionally invested in the argument.
3) This is empty shade. You are saying I am doing something that I am not. I don't read people based on "facts" and "most compelling argument" I read people based on character. My read had nothing to do with the fact that you gave a truthful argument, after all that can be faked.

4) You say I am Scummy and say I am doing things that are "very weird to you" why no voted?

Alisae, can you see the angle where Garmr

knows

you are Town?

Talking about throwing empty shade and not following up on it.

I have you as Null. I was just seeing if Alisae could see that angle. If you have never seen that argument before, you are living under a rock.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

LQ, why should I like you?

Why should you like me? IDK.

I understand full well I don't play like most people (its even in my sig).

I just ask you reserve judgement until you see what my weird way of playing leads to. I am actually not bad at this game. I just play differently and because of this it gets me Scum read sometimes.

I like your diction

[karnos]

One does not simply say someone is using shitty logic and doesn't explain how.
Might I say, does not simply get voted by one player and vote the accuser.
Good posting would have been you explaining the err's in his ways.
Unforunately, you decided to do fuck all.
So, I am willing to lend my vote.

I put a little easter egg in there for you to munch on.

VOTE: Karnos

How did you read 188 and not even notice 187?

T

[karnos]

So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?

It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).

This is classic scum play. You win either way- either the guy you throw shade on gets miss-lynched, or you turn it into a wagon on someone who "opportunistically' took your scum reads at face value.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No time to read it as I'm leaving for lunch(grandma's birthday) but realize I joined in the game at like 2 or 3 in the morning. I caught up but if I missed something, don't be surprised, just correct me.

Also blame Mastina for just sending me a role PM instead of asking me to replace