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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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A format doesn't = alignment. There's obviously drastic differences from this game to that game.In post 373, LicketyQuickety wrote:
It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.In post 364, Garmr wrote:
Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.In post 363, LicketyQuickety wrote:
The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.In post 362, Garmr wrote:
His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.
Do you have a town read on karnos and why?
Nope, I have a Null read on him.
I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.
You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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If the format is the same, it doesn't say much. If it is different, then it most certainly can.In post 376, Garmr wrote:
A format doesn't = alignment. There's obviously drastic differences from this game to that game.In post 373, LicketyQuickety wrote:
It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.In post 364, Garmr wrote:
Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.In post 363, LicketyQuickety wrote:
The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.In post 362, Garmr wrote:
His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.
Do you have a town read on karnos and why?
Nope, I have a Null read on him.
I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.
You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.
In the end it's a totally different feel.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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shannon Mafia Scum
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Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?In post 371, PranaDevil wrote:1) Same difference really.
2) you're the one suggesting he "knows" Alisae is town, and then pushed it.
3) I'll give you that, though I'll also point out it doesn't change that regardless of play style, if it seems there's scum motivation for doing what you're doing, it will look scummy. Thus a terrible job of making it seem like Garmr knows Alisae is town, without catching a slip, just seems like scum attempting to get peoples reads of Garmr changed.
Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...-
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shannon Mafia Scum
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I Q+ed this one because I wanted an explanation for that last part. Why do I get pressure and Prana gets something else?In post 371, PranaDevil wrote:1) Same difference really.
2) you're the one suggesting he "knows" Alisae is town, and then pushed it.
3) I'll give you that, though I'll also point out it doesn't change that regardless of play style, if it seems there's scum motivation for doing what you're doing, it will look scummy. Thus a terrible job of making it seem like Garmr knows Alisae is town, without catching a slip, just seems like scum attempting to get peoples reads of Garmr changed.
Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.In post 378, shannon wrote:
Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...
I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.
<<< Fixed a broken quote tag. >>>Last edited by mastina on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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EBWOPIn post 381, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.In post 378, shannon wrote: Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?
I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Because you are different people and have different ways of playing. Also, I find treating everyone the same to be a weakness in play, not for the explicit fact that you are treating people different, but that its a form of organizing things in your mind in a bit of a rigid way. I said before, I am more of a spontaneous player rather than a planner/categorizer.In post 380, shannon wrote:
I Q+ed this one because I wanted an explanation for that last part. Why do I get pressure and Prana gets something else?In post 371, PranaDevil wrote:1) Same difference really.
2) you're the one suggesting he "knows" Alisae is town, and then pushed it.
3) I'll give you that, though I'll also point out it doesn't change that regardless of play style, if it seems there's scum motivation for doing what you're doing, it will look scummy. Thus a terrible job of making it seem like Garmr knows Alisae is town, without catching a slip, just seems like scum attempting to get peoples reads of Garmr changed.
Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Prolly sleeping in, playing video games and playing mafia, why?In post 384, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:LQ, what are you doing this upcoming weekend?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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It's a date.
As soon as you said town hunt I felt a town jam urge.
So. That is what we shall do.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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I don't know if I like this "jam" idea, it being a date and all.In post 387, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You ever done a town jam before?
<<< Jam is the best thing for a date! >>>
Seriously though I have no idea what a Town Jam is.Last edited by mastina on Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:10 am, edited 1 time in total.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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Exciting.
Basically, you let the game naturally develop in it's own course and then with the 3-4 strongest town reads and you just go ham seriously dedicating some time to just rip the playerlist to shreds.
You form a townbloc and then you town hunt. If you make the townbloc stronger in the process, you progress the game forward to winning by a huge factor“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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Honestly his format isn't the same if there's so much difference through.In post 381, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.In post 378, shannon wrote:
Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?Also, I said the same as Shannon regarding ongoing reads, got a totally different response... Doesn't seem genuine really. Like, I get a pass, shannon gets pressure? Hmmm...
I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Do I really have to go "Ham" and point out how they are similar, because I totally will.In post 390, Garmr wrote:
Honestly his format isn't the same if there's so much difference through.In post 381, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.In post 378, shannon wrote:Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?
I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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How do you know this? Have you even had a conversation about it before?In post 391, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Post formatting is not alignment indicative. I'm sorry but it's silly.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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You're judging a book in the means if it's a hardback or a softback cover. You need to actually analyze the reading inside the book. The rest doesn't matter.
Now, what you might be getting at is a person naked voting as scum and then voting with reasoning attached to the same post as town. If that's it, then I understand that.
However if you're saying it's alignment indicative in a person in how they format posts, ya know basically the aesthetic part of making a post, then I'm just going to say it's silly.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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Nope, nope, nope. Disagree so much with you on that. The aesthetic stuff is actually really really good to look at. Reason: Hardly anyone thinks to adapt their game that way. Also, meta tells are almost never as you describe them. Its about what that person plays like, not making a list of things they do or don't do as either alignment. If that is the way you do meta tells, then you will have to play many more games with the same person to be able to get a solid info base, which btw, changes all the time. Its about reading the personality of the player, not a categorical methodology.In post 394, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You're judging a book in the means if it's a hardback or a softback cover. You need to actually analyze the reading inside the book. The rest doesn't matter.
Now, what you might be getting at is a person naked voting as scum and then voting with reasoning attached to the same post as town. If that's it, then I understand that.
However if you're saying it's alignment indicative in a person in how they format posts, ya know basically the aesthetic part of making a post, then I'm just going to say it's silly.
And its not whether its hard cover or soft cover. Its about what the paragraph structure is like, what the diction used is like, what is the range of emotions that person exhibits in their play.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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If after post game this ends up working, I'll consider looking more into your theory work. I am of the opinion that if anyone has any literary talent, they can easily fake emotions. I personally hold more weight to a persons argument and how they present it over emotions. I'm more of the objective over the subjective reader if you catch my drift.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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LicketyQuickety Survivor
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I use both but I am better at subjective stuff.In post 396, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:If after post game this ends up working, I'll consider looking more into your theory work. I am of the opinion that if anyone has any literary talent, they can easily fake emotions. I personally hold more weight to a persons argument and how they present it over emotions. I'm more of the objective over the subjective reader if you catch my drift.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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All Alone Goon
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Why do you think I'm more likely to not have any scumreads as scum than town?In post 289, Alisae wrote:Ok
They don't want to pressure anyone atm nor do they have SRs on anyone atm.In post 285, All Alone wrote:don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbhdear princess celestia, sometimes it can be hard for a shy pony like me to stand up for myself, and when i first tried it, i didn't like the pony i became. but i've learned that standing up for yourself isn't the same as changing who you are. now i know how to put my hoof down without being unpleasant or mean-
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My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.In post 337, Lexa wrote:
The condition for my posting reasoning for my vote on All Alone has now been fulfilled. That condition was All Alone posting so as to see possible reaction / lack thereof in response to my vote.In post 135, Alisae wrote:Fine. I'll be patient and wait look a good child.
Prior to my joining this site and signing up for this game I spent some time reading through a couple of the longer games on this site to get a feel for how the game was approached here (sidenote: super helpful, scumhunting tactics I picked up made me so much better in the game I'm currently in on my main site). One of the games in particular featured both All Alone and Alisae, providing a reference point for meta reads. At the time of my vote, Alisae had several votes on him as a result of his posting style and I decided that adding additional pressure to him was less beneficial than putting pressure on All Alone in an attempt to create reactions to base reads on him from.
Based on that previous game that I had read (which I believe is still ongoing last time I looked ~a week ago), I am reasonably confident that Alisae is town. His actions this game are entirely consistent with his behaviour in the previous game and his scumhunting, while arguable how effectual it is, follow similar patterns. That being said, I'm not willing to consider them a lock town at this point in time as their posting style inherently creates a looooot of noise that can hide more legitimate tells on them.
All Alone having posted is now grounds for me to place a FoS on them. Their previous meta as I interpreted it had them being, while not necessarily a lot more active, considerably more proactive in their scumhunting tactics. Their post 285 shows them unvoting as their only post of content since RVS based on "not wanting their vote anywhere" right now. While I'm willing to give this a pass for players who are more actively using their vote and have shown some kind of previous commitment to reads, his lack of activity on that front means that his unvote here looks considerably more like a scum who doesn't want their vote to be tied to someone they can be held accountable to for their opinions should they unvote and wagon in the future.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.dear princess celestia, sometimes it can be hard for a shy pony like me to stand up for myself, and when i first tried it, i didn't like the pony i became. but i've learned that standing up for yourself isn't the same as changing who you are. now i know how to put my hoof down without being unpleasant or mean
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