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I think all alone wagon shows that karnos is scum. Basically karnos has been a consistent wagon that has slowly built up on good reasoning and no one town reads him. In fact the only defense has been from LicketyQuickety who null reads him and that was lackluster at best.
Then All alone comes along. Honestly he/she is the perfect lynchbait. He says things that draw negative attention to him/herself.
They do things that get them to much negative attention that scum wouldn't do.
Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:
Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:
It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
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I think the scum is ThinkBig on that wagon Garmr.
With that said ever since ThinkBig did a 180 I've strongly been thinking that AA is a mislynch cuz that 180 I still don't feel is coming from town.
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That is something to say at this stage of the game. Mind sharing why you think that? Af far as I can see its baseless.In post 628, Garmr wrote:All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Oh I just do that sometimes call out a prediction based on my current thoughts I predicted that scum had day chat in one game day 1 before any flips just by looking at posts in game. WIn post 630, LicketyQuickety wrote:
That is something to say at this stage of the game. Mind sharing why you think that? Af far as I can see its baseless.In post 628, Garmr wrote:All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.
Because look at it this way people have been trying to run counter wagon after counter wagon to the karnos one and they seem to not have enough support. Hell you were one of the counter wagons at one stage.- Alisae
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That is true about me, but I have not really defended him I just said that I find him Null.In post 631, Garmr wrote:
Oh I just do that sometimes call out a prediction based on my current thoughts I predicted that scum had day chat in one game day 1 before any flips just by looking at posts in game. WIn post 630, LicketyQuickety wrote:
That is something to say at this stage of the game. Mind sharing why you think that? Af far as I can see its baseless.In post 628, Garmr wrote:All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.
Because look at it this way people have been trying to run counter wagon after counter wagon to the karnos one and they seem to not have enough support. Hell you were one of the counter wagons at one stage.
And that is a stretch at least to say because AA is tied with Karnos means that its meant to be a counter wagon which would mean you Town read AA.
Why do you Town read AA?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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AA can get away with that shit as Scum for a few reasons:In post 627, Garmr wrote:
Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:
Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:
It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.
1) they don't post frequently
2) the condition of the games state currently
3) personal playstyle
So while your arguments do kinda give me pause, you are still basically just giving a generic argument for why you Town read them which can basically be boiled down to "I don't think they would do that as Scum" which is pretty weak considering all that hinges on the wagon stuff you were talking about.
As an aside, I do kida have that same sorta intuitive kind of playstyle that you are using, but I realize its not "gut" that convinces people that you are right.
Conclusion: be more specific about why you don't think AA would do that as Scum.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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PEdit: Lots of posts in the time it took me to do this! Hopefully it's not wasted.
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OK, let's play along with this theory and look at both wagons:
Based on the votes only, following have voted AA in order -
5 - Lexa, Alisae, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig
--Lexa has *only* voted AA, back in 73, and is VLA.
--Alisae voted AA in 287
- Lickety moved from me to AA in 401
--Prana has gone from voting *for* Lickety in 479 to voting *with* Lickety on AA in 542
-- Alisae changed to TB in 569.
-- TB voted AA in 609
Again, in order, Karnos has been voted by:
karnos: 5 - Garmr, XnadrojX, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, BlueBloodedToffee, TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Garmr voted Karnos in 102, it is his *second* vote for the game and he hasn't changed since
Jordan voted him in 120, it is his *second* vote for the game and he hasn't changed since
BBT voted him in 245, and this is his *only* vote for the game
Gin voted him in 261, moved to Pep in 283, and then back to Karnos in 286
Here's what I get from this - other perspectives encouraged:
- If anyone is trying to counter-wagon ScumKarnos, it's not Lexa
- Alisae's behaviour is consistent with being buddies with AA, and getting off the AA wagon when it got busy
- On the Karnos wagon, BBT looks most suspicious given that it's his only vote and he's third on the wagon
- On the AA wagon, Prana looks suspicious (equally with Alisae I think) for voting with Lickety, given that she moved *from* Lickety to do so, and given that the wagon was gathering steam at the time.- Garmr
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Hmm that's a toughie because tbh while I'm really confident on my karnos scum read the others not so much.In post 632, Alisae wrote:Garmr who is most likely to be scum on that wagon?
Honestly I think
LQ could be pretty competent scum. His garmr may know angle was presented in a way that it throws shade, His defending karnos but not committing a town read to karnos, He also couldn't adequately defend him with meta so it came off as generic.
Lexa fits more in the null territory. They haven't really done anything to differentiate themselves from the others.
I don't mind pranadevil to be honest my gut tells me they could be town not to sure about this. I just wish he would vote karnos through.
Think don't see many people afraid of putting someone at l-1. It seems weird and then he votes AA that doesn't quite compute. His reads seem generic and following what he preices to be the norm. They seem disposible to me. Also he has karnos as a scum read along with aa and decides to push aa over karnos. This is quite telling to me.
I would probably pick tb as most likely to be scum followed by LQ- Alisae
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Still alot better than your defense of karnos hmph.In post 635, LicketyQuickety wrote:
AA can get away with that shit as Scum for a few reasons:In post 627, Garmr wrote:
Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:
Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:
It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.
1) they don't post frequently
2) the condition of the games state currently
3) personal playstyle
So while your arguments do kinda give me pause, you are still basically just giving a generic argument for why you Town read them which can basically be boiled down to "I don't think they would do that as Scum" which is pretty weak considering all that hinges on the wagon stuff you were talking about.
As an aside, I do kida have that same sorta intuitive kind of playstyle that you are using, but I realize its not "gut" that convinces people that you are right.
Conclusion: be more specific about why you don't think AA would do that as Scum.
But there is one thing I like in this post.
I liked this because it resonated with my thought processes.In post 285, All Alone wrote:In post 273, karnos wrote:
It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Honestly through it's a combined thing of
Competing wagons,Timing of the wagon,the amount of attention they getting,lack of anything that actually is scummy and not just negative.
Because If i'm going to be honest I see no real reason to vote him. But I can see typical mafia players (with there thought process being different than mine) how come up with his scum. Because I can somewhat put myself in their shoes. Most of the scum points which people can make can actually be attributed to play style which you brought up.
So a majority of the things that make me town read him are external(other players ect) and gut. But I can at least say there really isn't anything condemning to a player that looks deep unlike karnos who is truly scummy.
Still want to punch you in the face through because when you have shit logic (which you demonstrated multiple times) you are so thick headed. But when you question something of mine you make me question myself even if I still come up with the same conclusion.- shannon
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So you think Scum Lexa jumped on someone early in the game and has just lurked out, waiting to see whether a wagon formed on them? Or that she didn't really care whether or not a wagon formed, she just intended to lurk?In post 639, Alisae wrote:Hmm, I think it might be Lexa > LQ.
I don't see why scum!LQ would go defend TB the way they did.
If anything it would make more sense to let me push them.- PranaDevil
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Garmr, regarding karnos, as he's still comfortably in my top 3 scum reads, I'm totally happy to lynch him when the time comes. My vote will sit on whoever I'm most suspicious of at any time (usually, sometimes pressure is needed). But when it's lynch time I'll always be happy to stick my vote on anyone I have a scum read on. So assume I have some sort of ghost vote on karnos and will be happy to hammer should the need arise.
Also, shannon, did you miss where I said I was getting town vibes from LQ? He's dropped out of my scum reads, so not only is a vote on him bad at that point, but All Alone was clearly scummy.
As far as voting with people I read as scum... well that's going to be par for the course with this game anyway. I find Jordan and karnos to be scummy. If I vote karnos I'm automatically voting alongside Jordan.
Onto TBs dance, I can see why people would say it's scummy. I can also see it very likely isn't. I see no scum motivation to be that blatant in their actions, if TB were scum I'd expect there to be much more of a gap between the start and end of that 180. I also see it as something scum would be more than happy to latch onto and push for a lynch, which makes me question Alisae immediately there.
Not sure I like Garmr's accusation about the scum on AAs wagon either, though that could be that Lexa is unlikely to have attempted to push another wagon over karnos' (as per Garmr's statement) by being on it since RVS , LQ and TB I lean town on, and I'm the other. It also relies on karnos being scum, which isn't certain. If he flips scum then by all means, review counter wagons and such, but if he flips town a counter wagon would be pointless, meaning it comes from a town perspective (that or scum trying to see who may be an easier mislynch).- XnadrojX
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Sorry for not posting useful stuff yesterday. Was busy. Will post more laterShowTranscend: His name is Jordan backwards, just call him Jordan.
Something_Smart: Your name is Dnecsnart backwards, should I call you Dnecsnart?
Transcend: lol that actually sounds funny
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ThinkBig did a nice 180 on AA for "not producing content over 7 posts"
I think I need a deeper explanation.
Garmr remains in my TownPool.
TheRealGinNTonic has went in my TownPool.
More posting laterShowTranscend: His name is Jordan backwards, just call him Jordan.
Something_Smart: Your name is Dnecsnart backwards, should I call you Dnecsnart?
Transcend: lol that actually sounds funny
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PranaDevil has LOADS of substantial stuff, this is town posting here.
Shannon is very "uuuehdgjdhdndnsm.mmkknns... Meh" to me rn.
Alisae is flipping around, will quote stuff later. Also scum!LQs better off voting karnos.
Speaking of LQ, hes back into my townpile, albeit a little at its edges. He's good content producing and his play doesn't remind me of scum play.ShowTranscend: His name is Jordan backwards, just call him Jordan.
Something_Smart: Your name is Dnecsnart backwards, should I call you Dnecsnart?
Transcend: lol that actually sounds funny
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In post 408, karnos wrote:I feel like I am talking to a wall, nobody is even responding to my arguments.
Bleh.
Just do me a favor, nobody quick lynch me okay? I want a chance to respond to the case on me, as flimsy as it is. It's a long time until deadline.In post 402, karnos wrote:
That was a very atypical game. Multiball and first game with DixC, who is a friend of mine from a previous forum. Pretty sure he is the one who pushed to have me night-killed N1.In post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
I don't like meta analysis but if you are going to use it look at my more recent games, this one is a bad example (though I understand LQ is showing it because he was in the same game).
Karnos ISO that I haven't responded to significantly.In post 341, karnos wrote:Just to be clear, I don't think Alisae is scum.
First of all, notice how he COMPLETELY disregards my counter argument about Alisae (who was a townread back then) after he tries to push me flimsily about my opinions, which I completely destroy in my counter argument.
He then just disappears, not even a time range to when he'd be back.ShowTranscend: His name is Jordan backwards, just call him Jordan.
Something_Smart: Your name is Dnecsnart backwards, should I call you Dnecsnart?
Transcend: lol that actually sounds funny
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My reads list rn from town>scum
{Garmr, Prana}
{TheRealGin-N-Tonic, LicketyQuickety}
{BBT}<---- This is the one that's hinging on the fringes of "TR or no?"
{Everyone not up there or down there}<---- null starts here
{All Alone, Lexa}
{Karnos}ShowTranscend: His name is Jordan backwards, just call him Jordan.
Something_Smart: Your name is Dnecsnart backwards, should I call you Dnecsnart?
Transcend: lol that actually sounds funny
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Have we ever played together? Why are you so confident in your read?In post 638, Garmr wrote: Hmm that's a toughie because tbh while I'm really confident on my karnos scum read the others not so much.
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