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[mastina]

LicketyQuickety is at L-1!

Twenty-eighth Votecount

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(Sixth Votecount D2)

LicketyQuickety - 5 (Garmr, All Alone, Alisae, shannon, TheRealGin-N-Tonic)

Alisae - 2 (PranaDevil, ThinkBig)

Pepchoninga - 1 (Lexa)

Not Voting - 3 (BlueBloodedToffee, LicketyQuickety, Pepchoninga)

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

LicketyQuickety is at L-1!

Day 2's deadline is Monday, February 20th, @ 3:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-20 15:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• ThinkBig is V/LA through Monday, February 6th.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Only took him 100 more posts after saying that to say I'm a solid town read.

Gin is prolly going to be a solid Town read going forward.

[Lexa]

Making note that you have 29 posts within those 100 (if I counted correctly)

Presumably that was enough to solidify a read on you

[Garmr]

All these post are taking from your catch up.

LicketyQuickety's 80 is a bad post but with towny reasoning.

LQ definite town due to not paying enough attention to who's in the game to even direct a vote correctly? Sounds like a plan to me.

vote: Alisae

for reasons. (Hint, they aren't good reasons)

I'm being bullied and I would like to know the reasons ;~;

@Alisae what are the reasons?

Ugh sorry, that was a typing fail.

@PranaDevil - - reasons??

This is actually Scummy I think. There use to be a tell out there that Scum misspell stuff or don't say stuff correctly. I also find it Scummy that they are asking for reasons. Should be clear it is RVS and I don't buy that its an attempt to push the game forward so either they are not very good Town or obvious Scum.

VOTE: shannon

How is this townie? I know townie can have bad logic but still I would take this as null. He also literally called out their behavior as null and still voted them anyway.

<3 LQ for being open minded about WIFOM as a legit hunting tactic

I'm TRing Lickety cuz he's asking good questions that progress the game and I've been always SRing Jordan so I hopped there.
You sure scum would accuse someone of doing the exact same thing that they just did? That doesn't make sense to me.

pedit: Good shit LQ.

I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"

Anything can be shaken off like that.

Then you are really going to hate the way I get reads.

I do this by constantly matching up whether its more likely to come from Scum or Town. I do this by getting a picture of who that person is and use that to read if they would likely say that as Town or Scum.

adds nothing to the game should be taken as null so if your using this as a point then you fail.

Liking LQs analysis in 327. Garmr has been giving me a weird vibe I can't put my finger on yet from his posts to this point so I appreicate LQ helping me not think I'm crazy.

You are getting a weird vibe from yet you are still town reading me. Also lq analysis was scummy as fuck. He went out of his way to smudge a null reads reputation not a town read. Honestly not going to bother posting the walls of conversation we had.

Really liking LQs explanations of his alternative ways of analyzing things as in 373

Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922

His behavior in that game is different from this one. How does this apply to this game.
In that game he displays none of the reasoning why people are scum reading him in this game.

Do you have a town read on karnos and why?

The style of posting is very very similar from that game to this one, that is what I notice.

Nope, I have a Null read on him.

Style of posting is similar. It really isn't similar at all.

I never saw a defensive reaction in that game that was like 104. Like i don't think he omgus and accused anyone of a chainsaw. Also his votes didn't feel opportunistic in that game.

You seemed to miss that he supplied reasoning for his votes that game instead of hoping it would slip through the cracks.



In the end it's a totally different feel.

It is similar. Look at the way he quotes people and then gives a response. The FORMAT of the posts is very very close here.

You can't be serious lol. He literally made a empty reason to try and throw off the scum reads on karnos with out actually down facts. The formats similar to his town game? You can't be even more vague. I even pointed out the differences between that game and this and he backed out of it. This is the worst reason to town read someone ever.

Gin is really bugging my weird strings. The whole stretch of posts leading up to 389 is so odd. I can see scum!Gin latching onto LQ as someone getting town read and attempting to link LQs credo to his own by suggesting they "town-jam" together. Without having pushed much in the way of town posts hismself I can't see where town!Gin makes that suggestion.

Don't see how this make lq town and I don't agree with gin read.

I disagree with LQ at 487 but his posts have increasingly solidified a town read.

^^This is saying I'm interested in your theory work and want to learn it :p

I feel like he said

"oh yeah, I'm Scum /S."

"Wait a minute, that might be a bad idea to admit that, I should prolly just say I am Town."

Its like kinda an over explanation that shows he's not thinking cool and calm. Its too... spammy for something that is just "Are you Town"

This is just a theroy not a town point since you said you made several points i'm going to guess this is one.

I really like LQs defense of ThinkBig following the above post, in particular 600. I really appreciate his alternative methods and they seem very town oriented to me.

What is the town motivation behind going for AA now and the town motivation for the 180?
Hell, what's the town motivation behind not even putting their vote on AA but saying they are willing to PL it. Doesn't a PL take priority above all else?

He is reevaluating a slot that would be really easy to stay on as Scum.

Honestly his whole defense of thinkbig doesn't ring town for me as scum can just pocket players by defending them and he hasn't actually got any real scum hunting feats. It could go either way for this point


Honestly you seem like your town reading LQ for his competence and language instead of what he has actually done.

[Lexa]

Ah I should have clarified in my post, the ones not specifically mentioning town reads or scum reads weren't contributing to my reads on people. Things like <3 shannon or liking LQs posts int he two that you mentioned weren't contributing factors to town reads

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Here's the thing. This game is about psychology. One thing I'm actually going to do some theory work is the reaction caused by two scums and having one buddy the other.

Ya see, scum don't like calling their scum partners scum because they don't actually want them lynched, they also don't want to call their scum partners town because they don't want to take any heat for "town reading" someone when they flip scum.

So it is common scum psychology and henceforth the scum motivation to provide a town case for Karnos while not actually out right saying he thinks Karnos is town to not draw attention

I agree that this is often the case. I contend that it's also common for town to be cautious in labeling people scum or town while also building a case for similar reasons, either to avoid being pressured for a vote or read that they may not be certain of or to avoid entrenching themselves in labeling bias. This seems more likely in LQs case than in the null case for reasons such as those seen in 226 where he explicitly states that his methods of reasoning are more fluid and the implication is that it takes time to get to concrete reads.

Also, I don't remember a single townie that thinks, I'm not going to give my opinion on a player because I'm afraid of the repercussions. I also don't think it's right to say that something that is done by scum is also done by townies when it's clearly not.

Like this entire time you defend him by going "Well I agree with what you're saying but town could do it to..."

P-Edit: If that was when I first joined, please read my 1st in game post. It was a literal shit post. The difference here is I just asked a couple questions and called some shit out; with Karnos, he had interactions with multiple players and no read was formed.

Oh and to shoot down ya argument that you gotta give him a minute to form a read, Karnos posted 147 times and not once, not even towards the end did LQ say he thought Karnos was town or scum.

[Lexa]

"How is this townie? I know townie can have bad logic but still I would take this as null. He also literally called out their behavior as null and still voted them anyway."

Keeping in mind I was reading the thread progressively through time, I interpreted the post as an attempt to bring in external information into the game to justify an RVS vote and progress the game into actual content. I've seen scum do one of those things at a time to accomplish that goal, but rarely both.

"You are getting a weird vibe from yet you are still town reading me. Also lq analysis was scummy as fuck. He went out of his way to smudge a null reads reputation not a town read. Honestly not going to bother posting the walls of conversation we had."

Your town read comes mostly from your dissection of the All Alone case and target on karnos from 627. I still don't know what to make of you exactly and at that point of time you were definitively rubbing me a weird way.

"You can't be serious lol. He literally made a empty reason to try and throw off the scum reads on karnos with out actually down facts. The formats similar to his town game? You can't be even more vague. I even pointed out the differences between that game and this and he backed out of it. This is the worst reason to town read someone ever."

It's extremely consistent with how he has previously been acting and similarly consistent with his stated methodology for getting to reads as outlined in the convo with Gin

"Don't see how this make lq town and I don't agree with gin read"

It doesn't, that was about a possible option for Gin based on a series of posts by him that rubbed me the wrong way. Obviously I didn't read him alignment indicative because of it.

"Honestly his whole defense of thinkbig doesn't ring town for me as scum can just pocket players by defending them and he hasn't actually got any real scum hunting feats. It could go either way for this point"

That's fair. I disagree, but that's fair.

[Lexa]

Here's the thing. This game is about psychology. One thing I'm actually going to do some theory work is the reaction caused by two scums and having one buddy the other.

Ya see, scum don't like calling their scum partners scum because they don't actually want them lynched, they also don't want to call their scum partners town because they don't want to take any heat for "town reading" someone when they flip scum.

So it is common scum psychology and henceforth the scum motivation to provide a town case for Karnos while not actually out right saying he thinks Karnos is town to not draw attention

I agree that this is often the case. I contend that it's also common for town to be cautious in labeling people scum or town while also building a case for similar reasons, either to avoid being pressured for a vote or read that they may not be certain of or to avoid entrenching themselves in labeling bias. This seems more likely in LQs case than in the null case for reasons such as those seen in 226 where he explicitly states that his methods of reasoning are more fluid and the implication is that it takes time to get to concrete reads.

Also, I don't remember a single townie that thinks, I'm not going to give my opinion on a player because I'm afraid of the repercussions. I also don't think it's right to say that something that is done by scum is also done by townies when it's clearly not.

Like this entire time you defend him by going "Well I agree with what you're saying but town could do it to..."

P-Edit: If that was when I first joined, please read my 1st in game post. It was a literal shit post. The difference here is I just asked a couple questions and called some shit out; with Karnos, he had interactions with multiple players and no read was formed.

Oh and to shoot down ya argument that you gotta give him a minute to form a read, Karnos posted 147 times and not once, not even towards the end did LQ say he thought Karnos was town or scum.

I don't think that's a fair representation of what I've been saying at all. In any case this dialogue has convinced me that the case against LQ is based in reason if nothing else.

[Garmr]

So in the no reason to town read LQ got yah.

[Lexa]

For you, apparently not

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lexa, you said it takes LQ time to form reads, I pointed out that he formed one on me quickly, you said I posted content so that could be a reason, so I pointed out that Karnos had a shit load of content and was lynched and the difference being that I had a read quickly on me, Karnos never got a read from LQ.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

There was no reason to not form an opinion on Karnos besides following the psychology I laid out clearly on scum players.

[Lexa]

I can't speak for LQ but looking at your iso and judging by his stated method of evaluating people, your first 29 posts are highly consistent in tone and style. I can only assume karnos's content was not.

[Lexa]

EBWOP: ...highly consistent in tone and style leading to a clear read based on his evaluations

And the need for that is a clear indicator that 3:30 marks bed time for me

[Garmr]

For you, apparently not

<<< Truth is just a matter of perspective. >>>

[Alisae]

LOL GARMR THATS A NEW ONE

[Lexa]

I also laughed

<<< I might not have laughed, but I at least smiled! >>>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can't speak for LQ but looking at your iso and judging by his stated method of evaluating people, your first 29 posts are highly consistent in tone and style. I can only assume karnos's content was not.

Why couldn't you look at Karnos' ISO to see if he kept the same tone, the fuck?

[Lexa]

I can't speak for LQ but looking at your iso and judging by his stated method of evaluating people, your first 29 posts are highly consistent in tone and style. I can only assume karnos's content was not.

Why couldn't you look at Karnos' ISO to see if he kept the same tone, the fuck?

3:30 am yo

gah brb

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can't speak for LQ but looking at your iso and judging by his stated method of evaluating people, your first 29 posts are highly consistent in tone and style. I can only assume karnos's content was not.

Why couldn't you look at Karnos' ISO to see if he kept the same tone, the fuck?

WHY YOU PLAY SO CONFUSING

[Lexa]

Quick scan of Karnos's iso suggests his tone shifts around a lot, inconsistent between pushing for reactions to randomly being aggressive to arguing logically to blatant OMGUS

More importantly the question is whether LQ thought that his play matched up with his previous play or not what what reads he could draw from that

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

More importantly the question is whether LQ thought that his play matched up with his previous play or not what what reads he could draw from that

You're testing me

[Lexa]

In comparison to a read on you which as far as I'm aware is solely based on this game and thus not subject to external meta influences

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Im gonna scream

[Lexa]

My brain may or may not have become mush in the past ten minutes