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TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:40 pm

EVIDENCE A, SWEETHEART

In post 968, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:The basis in why I say that is because later on he actually says he will go out of his way to prove that the post formatting is town!Karnos in Evidence A.

Evidence B is 3 quotes showing that he HEAVILY relies on using that as part of his reads as that is apparently what he is really good at, what he uses to form opinions.

So yes, I fully believe that given "LQ's special type of meta" and how he portrayed it, that he would town reading Karnos pretty hard but he didn't. He was at a null.

Spoiler: Evidence A
In post 392, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 390, Garmr wrote:
In post 381, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 378, shannon wrote:Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?
Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.

I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.
Honestly his format isn't the same if there's so much difference through.
Do I really have to go "Ham" and point out how they are similar, because I totally will.

Spoiler: Evidence B
In post 393, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 391, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Post formatting is not alignment indicative. I'm sorry but it's silly.
How do you know this? Have you even had a conversation about it before?

In post 395, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 394, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You're judging a book in the means if it's a hardback or a softback cover. You need to actually analyze the reading inside the book. The rest doesn't matter.

Now, what you might be getting at is a person naked voting as scum and then voting with reasoning attached to the same post as town. If that's it, then I understand that.

However if you're saying it's alignment indicative in a person in how they format posts, ya know basically the aesthetic part of making a post, then I'm just going to say it's silly.
Nope, nope, nope. Disagree so much with you on that. The aesthetic stuff is actually really really good to look at. Reason: Hardly anyone thinks to adapt their game that way. Also, meta tells are almost never as you describe them. Its about what that person plays like, not making a list of things they do or don't do as either alignment. If that is the way you do meta tells, then you will have to play many more games with the same person to be able to get a solid info base, which btw, changes all the time. Its about reading the personality of the player, not a categorical methodology.

And its not whether its hard cover or soft cover. Its about what the paragraph structure is like, what the diction used is like, what is the range of emotions that person exhibits in their play.

In post 397, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 396, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:If after post game this ends up working, I'll consider looking more into your theory work. I am of the opinion that if anyone has any literary talent, they can easily fake emotions. I personally hold more weight to a persons argument and how they present it over emotions. I'm more of the objective over the subjective reader if you catch my drift.
I use both but I am better at subjective stuff.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:42 pm

Here it is wrapped all in one nice pretty post.

In post 995, Lexa wrote:More importantly the question is whether LQ thought that his play matched up with his previous play or not what what reads he could draw from that

In post 1000, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:EVIDENCE A, SWEETHEART

In post 968, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:The basis in why I say that is because later on he actually says he will go out of his way to prove that the post formatting is town!Karnos in Evidence A.

Evidence B is 3 quotes showing that he HEAVILY relies on using that as part of his reads as that is apparently what he is really good at, what he uses to form opinions.

So yes, I fully believe that given "LQ's special type of meta" and how he portrayed it, that he would town reading Karnos pretty hard but he didn't. He was at a null.

Spoiler: Evidence A
In post 392, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 390, Garmr wrote:
In post 381, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 378, shannon wrote:Why point out that the post formatting is the same, if it doesn't mean anything Lickety?
Because its evidence that if he is Scum there is no gaping holes in his game by even appearance of his posts. This indicates someone who would be rather proficient as a Scum player if he is Scum in this game.

I often observe and notice things other people don't consider. This is one of those things.
Honestly his format isn't the same if there's so much difference through.
Do I really have to go "Ham" and point out how they are similar, because I totally will.

Spoiler: Evidence B
In post 393, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 391, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Post formatting is not alignment indicative. I'm sorry but it's silly.
How do you know this? Have you even had a conversation about it before?

In post 395, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 394, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You're judging a book in the means if it's a hardback or a softback cover. You need to actually analyze the reading inside the book. The rest doesn't matter.

Now, what you might be getting at is a person naked voting as scum and then voting with reasoning attached to the same post as town. If that's it, then I understand that.

However if you're saying it's alignment indicative in a person in how they format posts, ya know basically the aesthetic part of making a post, then I'm just going to say it's silly.
Nope, nope, nope. Disagree so much with you on that. The aesthetic stuff is actually really really good to look at. Reason: Hardly anyone thinks to adapt their game that way. Also, meta tells are almost never as you describe them. Its about what that person plays like, not making a list of things they do or don't do as either alignment. If that is the way you do meta tells, then you will have to play many more games with the same person to be able to get a solid info base, which btw, changes all the time. Its about reading the personality of the player, not a categorical methodology.

And its not whether its hard cover or soft cover. Its about what the paragraph structure is like, what the diction used is like, what is the range of emotions that person exhibits in their play.

In post 397, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 396, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:If after post game this ends up working, I'll consider looking more into your theory work. I am of the opinion that if anyone has any literary talent, they can easily fake emotions. I personally hold more weight to a persons argument and how they present it over emotions. I'm more of the objective over the subjective reader if you catch my drift.
I use both but I am better at subjective stuff.

Lexa · Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:42 pm

Methinks I should reread this series when I wake up

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:44 pm

VOTE: LQ

Pow.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:44 pm

In post 1003, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: LQ

Pow.

MASTINA HE DID A THING

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:46 pm

In post 1003, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: LQ

Pow.

Is it weird to think I get a town read from this?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:47 pm

No further comments BBT?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:48 pm

Also I love ThinkBig so much, he's my number one

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:48 pm

Nothing to give atm, no.

Happy to lynch another scum.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:52 pm

Who you think is the 3rd?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:53 pm

In post 1009, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Who you think is the 3rd?

Forget what I just said, dont say anything

Garmr · Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:01 pm

In post 1007, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Also I love ThinkBig so much, he's my number one

A lynch already that was faster than expected I actually wanted to hear lq defend himself and see if he slipped anything.

ISO · Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:35 pm

Goddammit, now you're gonna make me do actual WORK here.

ISO · Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:37 pm

In post 1003, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: LQ

Pow.

This was in fact...a thing.
A hammer thing, to be more specific.
A hammer vote, to be even more specific.

ISO · Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:40 pm

Twenty-ninth Votecount

:

(Seventh and Final Votecount D2)

LicketyQuickety - 6 (Garmr, All Alone, Alisae, shannon, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, BlueBloodedToffee)

Alisae - 2 (PranaDevil, ThinkBig)

Pepchoninga - 1 (Lexa)

Not Voting - 2 (LicketyQuickety, Pepchoninga)

With

11

alive, it took

6

to lynch.

Day 2's deadline was Monday, February 20th, @ 3:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-20 15:30:00).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
ThinkBig is V/LA through Monday, February 6th.

ISO · Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:50 pm

Well, yesterday was fun.
Let's continue the streak.
Now, who is it we'll run up?
Hmm, how 'bout LicketyQuickety?

Yes, that dude's clearly guilty.
Let's say he's a

Mafia Goon

.
Evidence? Pfft, there's no need.
With karnos dead, we can't lose!

So let's go put him in the noose.
He hadn't posted, that's his fault.
So now we get to see the truth.
After we answer this glorious call.

...

Prideth come before the fall.
Whoops, oh well, lesson learned.
Looks like we kinda dropped the ball.
Oh well, wasn't a serious burn.

(You made that way too easy.)

LicketyQuickety

,

Vanilla Townie

, was

Lynched Day Two.

<<< Night Two begins now. Deadline is Friday, February 3rd, @ 2:00 AM PST--(expired on 2017-02-03 05:50:54). >>>

ISO · Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:15 am

<<< Apologies for neglecting to give this warning earlier (got distracted), but as a reminder:
Deadline for Night 2 is in 12 hours. Any submitted actions/change in actions past that point will be invalid. >>>

ISO · Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:01 am

All Alone

,

Town JOAT

(

Vanilla Cop, Rolecop, Fruit Vendor

), was killed Night Two.
<<< Day Three begins now. Deadline is Friday, February 24th, @ 3:00 AM PST--(expired on 2017-02-24 03:00:00).
With

9

alive, it will take

5

to lynch. >>>

ThinkBig · Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:06 am

Yuck. I absolutely hate the LQ wagon. I hate everything about it. We need to slow down today.

I am hard scum reading garmr. I hate how he derailed the Alisae wagon. I hate how we rushed it and didn't even give LQ a chance to defend himself.

PranaDevil · Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:25 am

What in the hell was that all about? I go to bed confident we have scum strung up, and wake up to seeing you all go sodding nuts and lynch LQ! What the hell?!

However, we at least gained some much needed information with that lynch, along with information from before.

First, I don't see Garmr doing that as scum, and definitely not to lynch a VT, scum gain nothing by being so heavy on a town lynch, especially one that could be directed back at them. Garmr is, at least in my mind, confirmed town from this point forward.

I'm also going to say, there was definitely scum on there, it would be unlikely for that wagon to get that much steam without at least one scum giving it a nudge forward at an opportune time, which brings me to the same person who should have been yesterday's lynch...

Alisae.

100%, may as well at this point be waving a great big flag saying "scum is here, lynch me please".

What's that? You want a case? Sure, here it is:

First, everything from Day 1, which has been done to death regarding the fact he blatantly attempted to derail the karnos wagon, but to sum up:

1 - Shows intent to hammer post #680

2 - Believes karnos' fake claim, yet still says karnos is a great lynch post #690 and post #700

3 - Uses the argument that there's much more time to "hunt" day 1 post #705

The intent to hammer doesn't match with there being more time to hunt, and the believing of the claim doesn't match with him being a "great lynch". Both of these are mutually exclusive from the other.

In post 911, Alisae wrote:
In post 908, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Alisae, talk about Prana and explain that read, I'm not letting you vote thinkbig
First thing to note: They scumread Karnos but they voted LQ.
Second thing to note: They scumread Karnos but then voted AA
Third thing to note: They finally voted Karnos.
Forth thing to note: They attack me because they think that I slipped that I knew Karnos was town when he clearly did not flip town. They were pushing a slip that wasn't a slip.
Fifth thing to note: They admit that that was a mistake but they still push me anyway.
Sixth thing to note: Where are they currently? Hiding under all the drama I'm making.

This is a huge pile of bullshit as well. It's quite clear Alisae is ignoring the entire reason i admitted a mistake, yet continued to push him, purely to make it seem like I'm in the wrong. Evidence? Provided.

In post 759, PranaDevil wrote:Alisae quite obviously wanted that wagon to dissipate and move elsewhere, I'll happily admit I cocked up royally (hey, I was at a gaming group when I read things first, then was knackered when I got home, I'll refrain from reading/posting when doing stuff or being tired in future, and you may all slap me if I deviate from this), and the push on Alisae, while a correct push, was the wrong reasoning. Alisae is scum along with karnos, and I'd be happy to lynch this way, but a karnos lynch is a huge preference as the wagon should not fall apart.

That's snipped from the end of a longer post I made where I admitted the mistae I made the night prior due to being tired, and not reading it thoroughly.

We lynch Alisae today, no ifs or buts, I'm ot letting scum get away again.

Also, EBWOP, TB, I understand your reasoning regarding Garmr getting the lynch away from Alisae, and it is something to keep in mind, but what positives does scum Garmr get from making himself a viable lynch today by being so obvious and vocal with the lynch? I don't even mind rushed lynches at times. If the scum is obvious (Alisae), we should keep scum from finding out any additional information that would lead to finding out about a power role.

Speaking of which... All Alone's only actions D1 were to vote Alisae and vote LQ, which makes me wonder if he had already used one of his roles on Alisae, and was happy to lynch LQ with the evidence provided, and come back to Alisae on a later day. It wouldn't be the correct play, (always lynch known scum) but I can see an argument for how convincing the LQ lynch was.

vote: Alisae

Garmr · Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:28 am

In post 1018, ThinkBig wrote:Yuck. I absolutely hate the LQ wagon. I hate everything about it. We need to slow down today.

I am hard scum reading garmr. I hate how he derailed the Alisae wagon. I hate how we rushed it and didn't even give LQ a chance to defend himself.

Like no offense but I didn't expect lq to be a shit town.

From my point of view he was protecting scum (karnos) and he was putting shade on me (I know i am town) and I been scum reading him from day 1 for a variety. He deserved his lynch. Maybe he will learn his lesson when he reads the spoiler just let people interact with null reads naturally. If he doesn't and he pulls that shit again I will lynch him again. Also despite me being wrong I still think LQ was working against town.

Also I fucking find it hilarious you are trying to call me fucking scum it was me who spotted karnos and it was me who fucking drove him to a lynch.

Pedit:Alisae is town I just know it prana

Garmr · Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:32 am

In post 1019, PranaDevil wrote:What in the hell was that all about? I go to bed confident we have scum strung up, and wake up to seeing you all go sodding nuts and lynch LQ! What the hell?!

However, we at least gained some much needed information with that lynch, along with information from before.

First, I don't see Garmr doing that as scum, and definitely not to lynch a VT, scum gain nothing by being so heavy on a town lynch, especially one that could be directed back at them. Garmr is, at least in my mind, confirmed town from this point forward.

I'm also going to say, there was definitely scum on there, it would be unlikely for that wagon to get that much steam without at least one scum giving it a nudge forward at an opportune time, which brings me to the same person who should have been yesterday's lynch...

Alisae.

100%, may as well at this point be waving a great big flag saying "scum is here, lynch me please".

What's that? You want a case? Sure, here it is:

First, everything from Day 1, which has been done to death regarding the fact he blatantly attempted to derail the karnos wagon, but to sum up:

1 - Shows intent to hammer post #680

2 - Believes karnos' fake claim, yet still says karnos is a great lynch post #690 and post #700

3 - Uses the argument that there's much more time to "hunt" day 1 post #705

The intent to hammer doesn't match with there being more time to hunt, and the believing of the claim doesn't match with him being a "great lynch". Both of these are mutually exclusive from the other.

In post 911, Alisae wrote:
In post 908, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Alisae, talk about Prana and explain that read, I'm not letting you vote thinkbig
First thing to note: They scumread Karnos but they voted LQ.
Second thing to note: They scumread Karnos but then voted AA
Third thing to note: They finally voted Karnos.
Forth thing to note: They attack me because they think that I slipped that I knew Karnos was town when he clearly did not flip town. They were pushing a slip that wasn't a slip.
Fifth thing to note: They admit that that was a mistake but they still push me anyway.
Sixth thing to note: Where are they currently? Hiding under all the drama I'm making.
This is a huge pile of bullshit as well. It's quite clear Alisae is ignoring the entire reason i admitted a mistake, yet continued to push him, purely to make it seem like I'm in the wrong. Evidence? Provided.

In post 759, PranaDevil wrote:Alisae quite obviously wanted that wagon to dissipate and move elsewhere, I'll happily admit I cocked up royally (hey, I was at a gaming group when I read things first, then was knackered when I got home, I'll refrain from reading/posting when doing stuff or being tired in future, and you may all slap me if I deviate from this), and the push on Alisae, while a correct push, was the wrong reasoning. Alisae is scum along with karnos, and I'd be happy to lynch this way, but a karnos lynch is a huge preference as the wagon should not fall apart.
That's snipped from the end of a longer post I made where I admitted the mistae I made the night prior due to being tired, and not reading it thoroughly.

We lynch Alisae today, no ifs or buts, I'm ot letting scum get away again.

Also, EBWOP, TB, I understand your reasoning regarding Garmr getting the lynch away from Alisae, and it is something to keep in mind, but what positives does scum Garmr get from making himself a viable lynch today by being so obvious and vocal with the lynch? I don't even mind rushed lynches at times. If the scum is obvious (Alisae), we should keep scum from finding out any additional information that would lead to finding out about a power role.

Speaking of which... All Alone's only actions D1 were to vote Alisae and vote LQ, which makes me wonder if he had already used one of his roles on Alisae, and was happy to lynch LQ with the evidence provided, and come back to Alisae on a later day. It wouldn't be the correct play, (always lynch known scum) but I can see an argument for how convincing the LQ lynch was.

vote: Alisae

Scum is most likely In shannon,think big and/or BBt. Alisae has down worse shit as town in the past and I can see alisae doing this as town.

Garmr · Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:48 am

Would like to point out think bigs hammer of karnos voting behaviour is worse than alisaes.

In post 670, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Karnos

L-1

<<< Yes, this was in fact L-1. This time. >>>

Policy lynch.

He puts him to l-1 for a policy lynch (shitty excuse.)

after making up a shit excuse about not wanting to end the day early he unvotes karnos and tries to run up prana as a counter wagon.

In post 732, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: PranaDevil

I really don't like the shades that he is attempting to throw on Alisae. His blatant misrepresentation of what Alisae was saying in order to read him as scum. Don't like that one bit.

P-edit: Excellent point, Gin.

Also at this point his defending alisae and the points his making on alisae were brought up day 1 which makes think his only shifting his veiws for people likely to be lynched.

In post 773, ThinkBig wrote:Permission to hammer?

In post 775, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Karnos

That's a hammer.

Like even through he says he scum reads karnos at this point all his language has been about him policy lynching karnos and did not provide one reason karnos was scum or one reason he agreed with.

With observation of voting behaviors every time it looked like karnos has the chance to live he jumped off the wagon. it wasn't until all alone put the final nail in the coffin did think big jump back on it seeing no other way out of voting his buddy.

VOTE: thinkbig

Garmr · Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:49 am

it is also possible pep is scum but I am unsure on the slot. Can we have bumps on pep or a replacement

<<< Pepchoninga is not eligible for replacement. For Pepchoninga to be eligible for a replacement, either Pepchoninga needs to specifically request replacement...
...Or, I must issue a prod to Pepchoninga, and have Pepchoninga fail to respond to the prod.

I cannot prod a player until 72 hours into the day.

Day Two lasted less than 24 hours, and thus, Pepchoninga continues to be ineligible for a prod, yet alone, replacement. >>>

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:55 am

VOTE: Alisae