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Hold on. This maybe something important to note. Karnos wanted to lynch/kill both Jordan (who died night 1) and Garmr. Might be useful sorting his slotIn post 672, karnos wrote:You know what, go for it.
I don't have the patience to try to break of a clique of fanatics.
Just make sure you lynch XnadrojX & Garmr, in that order, after me.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.- ThinkBig
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Also I think we should note this. AA flipped town. The only possible people on the wagon that could be scum are Devil and lexa.
In post 628, Garmr wrote:All Alone - 4 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
quote this for end game but at least 1 scum guaranteed in here.In post 627, Garmr wrote:I think all alone wagon shows that karnos is scum. Basically karnos has been a consistent wagon that has slowly built up on good reasoning and no one town reads him. In fact the only defense has been from LicketyQuickety who null reads him and that was lackluster at best.
Then All alone comes along. Honestly he/she is the perfect lynchbait. He says things that draw negative attention to him/herself.
They do things that get them to much negative attention that scum wouldn't do.
Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:
Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:
It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
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don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.- Lexa
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Whether it's blocking a kill or blocking some hidden action you or TB might have I'm more than happy to prove my role.In post 1351, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I kinda want to have her try and roleblock people to block a kill- shannon
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But given that Karnos flipped scum, is that actually telling us anything?In post 1376, ThinkBig wrote:
Hold on. This maybe something important to note. Karnos wanted to lynch/kill both Jordan (who died night 1) and Garmr. Might be useful sorting his slotIn post 672, karnos wrote:You know what, go for it.
I don't have the patience to try to break of a clique of fanatics.
Just make sure you lynch XnadrojX & Garmr, in that order, after me.- TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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Oh I don't doubt the role at all, it's all just a matter of whether it's town aligned or scum aligned“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Comments on the final VCs of each day:
Garmr was first on both the Karnos wagon and the Lickety one.
Prana voted Karnos D1, then stuck with Alisae on both D2 and D3.
Think Big followed up his D2 vote on Alisae with a D3 vote on him.
Lexa and Gamr never vote together
Pep has never voted
Speculation on the vote counts:
If Gin, TB and I are all town (me via role, Gin via claim, TB via Gin's claim) then Prana and Garmr are the two options for scum on the D1 lynch - if indeed there were scum on it.
Garmr in 139 replies to my note that I've read something in to his tone by saying "Probably a little bit of natural style and something else(not scum or early game awkwardness.)"
Garmr's 627 looks like town to me. At that point (or any earlier point) he could have left the Karnos wagon by saying 'reads changed', but he stuck with it the whole time and then explained why the AA wagon meant Karnos was scum. He also explains how AA looks town. So Gamr I think is town.
That leaves me with Lexa, Pep and Prana. ((It also leaves me with Lickety's wagon being all town! Scum must have been rubbing their hands after that one)).
Alisae's wagon happened so quickly it's hard to say much about it.
Prana's 1118 sticks out to me though, in light of what he's said today. Specifically, this: "especially asif Gin's claim is correct (I have no reason to doubt it at this point) we have three confirmed town in a block, I'd be shocked if that doesn't reduce to two for tomorrow, (would be dumb scum who didn't fire that way, but it does mean any protective roles should pick one of those three to protect, just do not specify who's being protected in thread, keep scum guessing)"
I basically followed these instructions on my protect, and Prana is now trying to play it like I made up my action for town cred. So that's suss.
Lexa's voting looks a bit suspicious because with the exception of Alisae, she's always on someone who has almost 0 chance of being lynched.
If I had to put money on the team I'd say Lexa + Prana. Outside chance, Gin + Prana.
Final D1 count
karnos- 7 (Garmr,XnadrojX,BlueBloodedToffee,PranaDevil,All Alone, shannon, ThinkBig)
All Alone- 2 (Lexa,LicketyQuickety)
PranaDevil - 1 (Alisae)
BlueBloodedToffee- 1 (TheRealGin-N-Tonic)
XnadrojX- 1 (karnos)
Not Voting - 1 (Pepchoninga)
Day 2 final vote count
LicketyQuickety- 6 (Garmr,All Alone, Alisae,shannon, TheRealGin-N-Tonic,BlueBloodedToffee)
Alisae- 2 (PranaDevil, ThinkBig)
Pepchoninga - 1 (Lexa)
Not Voting - 2 (LicketyQuickety, Pepchoninga)
Day 3 final vote count
Alisae- 5 (PranaDevil,BlueBloodedToffee, ThinkBig, Lexa, TheRealGin-N-Tonic)
Lexa - 1 (Alisae)
Not Voting - 3 (shannon, Pepchoninga, Garmr)- TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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Vote Count Theory for ya, scum are always at least on one large wagon and one wagon that will never go anywhereIn post 1381, shannon wrote:Lexa's voting looks a bit suspicious because with the exception of Alisae, she's always on someone who has almost 0 chance of being lynched.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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<<< Titus replaces Pepchoninga, effective upon her posting. >>>- TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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VOTE COUNT ANALYSIS QUEEN WITH THE VOTE COUNT SPEC OF MASTINA
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<<< I was so sad when she died before she could use it in Gistou. >>>Last edited by mastina on Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I have had all town day 1 wagons before they are uncommon but they do happen. If it happened this game probably not but keep that in mind for future games.In post 1382, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Vote Count Theory for ya, scum are always at least on one large wagon and one wagon that will never go anywhereIn post 1381, shannon wrote:Lexa's voting looks a bit suspicious because with the exception of Alisae, she's always on someone who has almost 0 chance of being lynched.- TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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Impossible? No? Likely? Also no.
It's all about not just using one tool, but about like 5 of them and if you got like 50% plus 1 confidence with your tools reading scum, well damn you got yourself a case :p“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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That is true.In post 1390, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Also remember that this is a scum wagon, scum love to bus scum.- TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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AtE is the bit where you started saying you had nothing to say as nobody was listening to you and nobody was being serious. It has nothing to do with any role or any potential night actions, and everything to do with you pretending to have a mini hissy fit.In post 1342, shannon wrote:I am getting frustrated when you are calling my claim ATE because it's not, it's my actual role and actual night actions. There's nothing I can say to you that will show you that what I am saying is true, you are going to have to flip me to be sure. Even then, you've achieved nothing except killing a townie because I don't have investigative results.
You are talking about flipping me, gamr, and Lexa, and you if people don't trust you. That's a lot of flips to get through and I don't think we have that many lynches available. Certainly I can see no reason why scum would help us out by NKing any of those people now. (Why would scum not take out someone like TB or G+T instead if they are both town?) So I am asking you to take my claim at face value.
I jailkept TB because I thought something was up with him. But I couldn't tell whether it was a 'good' up or a 'bad' one, so I jailkept figuring it would either save him or stop him doing a NK.
In my Doc on G+T I told the mod that I had no idea what was going on any more. It was a gut decision after I found LQ lynched before getting to vote. I think my message to the mod even said something like 'Poor Lickety'
I bodyguarded G+T because at that point he had claimed results and had a shot left. I figured he would be targeted for the kill, but I would die instead. I thought my role would help people to guess what had happened. Obviously there were some flaws in my reasoning but saving what might have been conf town G+T was a good move still I think.
When G+T claimed I took his role seriously because it fits with my role. I can see how three JOATs in a game makes a theme, and also how his and my roles go together. Him investigating, me protecting him. But! Yes, I always look at whether people are fake claiming. I probably need to have a document where I work out the details and then abandon the theory if it's rubbish, instead of posting it in the thread and working it out on the fly. Nonetheless, posting in the thread is what I always do. If I'm right - and occasionally one of my crackpot ideas is actually not so crackpot - I want town to be able to consider it when I'm gone.
So. I think we've pretty much established that G+T is town, and therefore TB too. My next guess is Prana. He (sorry about She before) has this whole thing mapped out, and it looks a bit too convenient for me. He has positioned himself as an either/or choice with Lexa, who looks terrible based on G+T's result. If Lexa flips scum, town is going to look at either me or Gamr. If that's the choice then obviously I think Gamr. But I don't know that it *is* the choice. What about Prana himself? He hasn't claimed a role. What about Pep the Lurker?
Holy shit what if G+T is using his scum powers but claiming the results as town, and then Prana is interpreting those in a way that works for scum?
Also I want to point out that there have been two consecutive days of quick lynches where I haven't even got to post. Look at those wagons...
You also say you took Gin's role seriously as his role fits with yours... but does that not ignore the fact AA's role clearly fit with yours as well? And therefore even by day 3 you could argue that Gin's role was a scum sided one, rather than waiting for today after you can comfortably say you used all your shots? Games aren't required to have protective roles after all.
I can see the argument about me having things all mapped out, but considering the likelihood that there was no scum on the LQ wagon (which I still don't buy), it pretty much is. And no, I haven't claimed a role, I have no intention of doing so either.
Much as I know you're town (I say know, 99% certain at any rate), this doesn't really confirm much as, regardless of flip, screwing us out of a Pep-slot response would be scummy as hell at this point, meaning scum would be sure to avoid that hammer as we're not in a LyLo situation. It's not beneficial to essentially out yourself as scum at the moment because it would be an insta-lynch the next day. A negative for either side.In post 1343, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Considering how I could have powerlynched Lexa and ended the day but wanted Pep to talk in case he was scum should be your biggest clue that I'm not pushing a scum agenda...
I' with you to an extent with the Lexa/shannon reasoning, as I'm of the opinion one of them must be lying. However as I said above, there's no requirement for either to be in the game. Lexa claimed RB and was called out for it, essentially, not being a JOAT, which means shannon could easily make up a JOAT role that would fit.In post 1344, ThinkBig wrote:Just a thought: Does it make sense for town to have both a 1-shot JK and a full RB? A JK functions essentially as a roleblocker. If Lexa flips scum, I think Shannon might be town.
I disagree with Shannon's reasoning regarding Devil. I have a hard time seeing any scum motivation behind his post so.
Also, fucking hooray for Pep being replaced.
Questions for Titus:
What are your reads on each current player? (I accept read through may take time, on the flip side... two days of quick lynching will speed it up considerably, on the other hand, two tonnes of shit-posting may make it a slog)
What do you feel about my VCA? Do you agree/disagree with my theory that there must be scum between shannon/Garmr and myself/Lexa?
What are your thoughts on Lexa's RB claim, and shannon's JOAT claim?
What are your thoughts on shannon's Gin/TB = scum theory?
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Ok, i need claims, if the scum lynch was a guilty.
Also, if someone colors and replaces all names in Mastina's VCA that would be awesome.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I've already claimed VT. Gin and I are confirmed town.In post 1396, Titus wrote:Ok, i need claims, if the scum lynch was a guilty.
Also, if someone colors and replaces all names in Mastina's VCA that would be awesome.
I think I know what Devil is alluding to, but I don't want to give the Mafia more information.I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.- ThinkBig
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Also, here are the claim listIn post 1396, Titus wrote:Ok, i need claims, if the scum lynch was a guilty.
Also, if someone colors and replaces all names in Mastina's VCA that would be awesome.
1. shannon - JOAT (jailkeeper, doctor, bodyguard)
3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - JOAT (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot neapolitan)
5. Titus - No claim
6. Lexa - Roleblocker
8. ThinkBig - Vanilla
10. Garmr - Vanilla
13. PranaDevil - No claimI have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.- Titus
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I do not read until I do my VCA barring extrem circumstances.What are your reads on each current player? (I accept read through may take time, on the flip side... two days of quick lynching will speed it up considerably, on the other hand, two tonnes of shit-posting may make it a slog)
What post is your VCA in? Please lay out your methodology if you have not.What do you feel about my VCA? Do you agree/disagree with my theory that there must be scum between shannon/Garmr and myself/Lexa?
Non plussed by Lexa's claim but Mastina probably did not make things simple. My own theories will come in my VCA.What are your thoughts on Lexa's RB claim, and shannon's JOAT claim?
What are your thoughts on shannon's Gin/TB = scum theory?
Punt until vca.Who are your top two scum reads? And which of them do you propose should be lynched and why?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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