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[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have been thinking that scum probally have a rolecop as they would have no reason to kill allone after all the cases against him.

I would look for players who dropped there scum read of him day 2.

Scum has a role cop. Gin has claimed to have a role cop. Coincidence?

Also interesting that Gin is starting to change his read on Lexa based on Titus's VCA.

Also, this is a false narrative.

I have a gunsmith telling me if a player has a gun or not, a Neo shot, telling me if they are VT or not, and a regular sane cop shot.

Where did this role cop come from that you "know" is in the game now?

[shannon]

Cop, role cop, potayto, pohtahto .

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Does the mafia really need a cop shannon?

[shannon]

You know I no longer believe your claim came from town so we are probably just going to go round in circles here.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That part doesn't matter, scum are forced to kill TB and I because they know we are confirmed, at least to each other. If it becomes 2v1 and TB and I are alive, it's an auto town win.

TB and I's claim will sort itself out without the need of running the risk of lynching one and having the other one shot getting rid of two conf!town in a row.

It's also cute when you realize BBT was a lurker but once I confirmed him as town, he died the next night.

So the people I do in fact conf! as town are dying, just not in the order expected.

[PranaDevil]

Shannon, Gin and TB are confirmed town at this stage, Gin showed BBT had no gun, and caught Lexa in a lie (regardless of reasoning behind it). How does scum-Gin do that? Fair enough you could argue that they rolecopped BBT, I'll give you that possibility, how do they get Lexa as well? What's more, doesn't scum Gin mean town Lexa for your argument? Both because you are suggesting a Gin/TB team, and because scum-Gin doesn't out scum-Lexa. Your entire case on Gin is full of holes and I seem to think of more everytime I have to point out how ridiculous it is.

I'll also point out I'm not defending him for you shannon, but more to make sure we don't piss this up the wall right now after two crappy lynches, one being LQ tgat was a shitty lynch regardless (not letting him respond? The fuck?) One being Alisae because he was terrible all round and despite flipping town, may as well have been playing for scum his play was that awful. Especially when Garmr's only defense of it is "he plays like this as town" when nobody knows how he plays as scum, meaning it's a non-starter for defense. Especially as it's a wifom defense anyway.

[PranaDevil]

Just realized the start of tgat could read wrong. I was directing the comment at shannon. There is no way she's confirmed town.

[ThinkBig]

Just realized the start of tgat could read wrong. I was directing the comment at shannon. There is no way she's confirmed town.

Yeah. I was just about to ask how Shannon is conf town

Anyway

VOTE: Lexa

L-1 I believe. We have plenty of information to go on. Her flip, regardless of alignment, will be an information gold mine

<<< I think I'm fixing a tag here? I honestly don't have a clue what happened there. >>>

<<< Oh! Fixed! >>>

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Lexa

[ThinkBig]

You know I no longer believe your claim came from town so we are probably just going to go round in circles here.

You need to explain this further. I don't think Gin is a competent enough scum player (sorry Gin) to fake claim and clear as many people as he did and to catch Lexa in a lie. I don't think the shades you are throwing come from town.

[mastina]

I have no clue how to fix ThinkBig's 1558. It broke, I tried to fix it, the fix didn't fix it, so you'll have to do without.

[mastina]

Thirty-ninth Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount D4)

Lexa - 3 (Garmr, PranaDevil, ThinkBig)

Not Voting - 4 (TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Titus, Lexa, shannon)

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Lexa is at L-1.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, February 28th, @ 9:00 PM PST--(expired on 2017-03-01 01:00:14).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• ThinkBig is V/LA over weekends.

[ThinkBig]

I have no clue how to fix ThinkBig's 1558. It broke, I tried to fix it, the fix didn't fix it, so you'll have to do without.

Yeah. Not even yours worked. Interesting bug

[shannon]

OK, lynch me first and then Lexa.

If you are going to assume I'm scum and lynch me tomorrow, after Lexa today, we pretty much lose. At least if you lynch me first you get to consider the rest of the data in light of my actual flip, and not what you're assuming my flip will be.

If Lexa is scum it's clear she's not getting away with it, by my flip should at least show you that I acted like I said I did and that my thoughts on others are genuine.

There's also something you haven't considered yet: My claim is that I have protected Gin the past two nights. If I were scum, I would have instead killed Gin when he claimed, no?

[mastina]

Found the issue. Somehow, BBCode got disabled. Fixed, and now properly displaying.

[shannon]

Also, why is Lexa at L-1 when:

I was asked to unvote her earlier when I put her at L-1
We are all waiting to hear about Titus' VC, and Titus has indicated she thinks Lexa might not be scum
Gin, who you are all saying is conf town, is also starting to be a bit up in the air about Lexa

[Garmr]

OK, lynch me first and then Lexa.

If you are going to assume I'm scum and lynch me tomorrow, after Lexa today, we pretty much lose. At least if you lynch me first you get to consider the rest of the data in light of my actual flip, and not what you're assuming my flip will be.

If Lexa is scum it's clear she's not getting away with it, by my flip should at least show you that I acted like I said I did and that my thoughts on others are genuine.

There's also something you haven't considered yet: My claim is that I have protected Gin the past two nights. If I were scum, I would have instead killed Gin when he claimed, no?

If lexa is scum that adds a extra day unless you think lexa is town?

[shannon]

If I'm right and Gin is playing us then yeah Lexa is town. At the moment though frankly I'm throwing my hands in the air!

[Garmr]

If I'm right and Gin is playing us then yeah Lexa is town. At the moment though frankly I'm throwing my hands in the air!

Can I ask you a question why would you even think she's town when you consider your role (if you're town)?

lexa roleblock is a counter claim to your jailkeep shot and if you are a joat doesn't mesh with the flipped roles.

Lets say that mastina for shit and giggles made every town power role joat that would pretty much confirm lexa as scum.

[Garmr]

If I'm right and Gin is playing us then yeah Lexa is town. At the moment though frankly I'm throwing my hands in the air!

You can also read gin hard defending tb day 2 in retrosepct it's easy to see. His actions measure up with his claims.

I honestly think lexa is just derp scum.

[Titus]

Yeah, not claiming, nass claim was abandoned as it never started. People claimed for good reasons (see: Gin worrying about dying and pretty much clearing two people, with BBT's death proving that). Then Lexa was told to claim by Alisae and gave a fake claim, which made no real sense to do in the first place, then Gin investigated her and found she wasn't vanilla (which thinking about it... more proof Gin is town surely?) So she had to re-claim. Not sure about if that means she's town or not though.

Shannon claimed JOAT-doc style after Lexa's RB claim was called out, with absolutely no pressure to do so.

There's been no mass claim, and you can get stuffed if you think I'm starting it.

Also, ignoring everything else to focus on VCA does prove something else, that you miss reasoning, as proven by asking for it, and then getting really bad results. Check interactions between me and Alisae for why he was an obvious lynch, and why he should have been the lynch D2, rather than LQ who was lynched in just a few hours (I went to sleep, woke up and he's gone).

Anyway, now we have content from the Pep slot, we can at least lynch Lexa, then the shannon/Garmr pairing gets dealt with, then victory.

vote: Lexa

VOTE: Devil (the guy who posted this)

You ARE claiming.

[Titus]

Also, why is Lexa at L-1 when:

I was asked to unvote her earlier when I put her at L-1
We are all waiting to hear about Titus' VC, and Titus has indicated she thinks Lexa might not be scum
Gin, who you are all saying is conf town, is also starting to be a bit up in the air about Lexa

Town posting or Lexa buddy.

I do have a couple concerns on Gin but they are role related.

[ThinkBig]

@Totus: Why do you think Lexa is town and why do you think Devil is a better lynch than Lexa?

[ThinkBig]

I think Lexa is a better lynch because:
1. He lied about his role (I am a firm believer in lynching all liars, that is unless a doctor or cop claims VT in order to investigate and avoid the NK);
2. If she flips Mafia, Titus is essentially cleared

Right now her flip will tell us more than Devil.