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[ThinkBig]

@Gin, I'm going to start the wagon. You finish it.

[mastina]

Forty-third Votecount

:

(Thirteenth Votecount D4)

No Lynch - 1 (PranaDevil)

Lexa - 1 (ThinkBig)

Not Voting - 4 (shannon, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Titus, Lexa)

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, February 28th, @ 10:00 PM PST--(expired on 2017-03-01 02:00:14).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• ThinkBig is V/LA over weekends.
  

[Lexa]

Why is this remarkable? Claim contradictions is stronger evidence than reads

[ThinkBig]

Where is a claim contradiction except in your VT/RB claim?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Where are the contradictions?

[Lexa]

Apparently contradiction wasn't the correct noun. I was referring to the competing JOAT claims. I find Titus's considerably more likely as a watcher/tracker joat makes more sense with all alones claim whereas the doctor/jailkeep claim makes less sense and competes with my roleblock

[Titus]

Why is this remarkable? Claim contradictions is stronger evidence than reads

What are yours?

I have a sweet spot for newbies.

[Titus]

@Gin, I'm going to start the wagon. You finish it.

You're still being newbish.

This has a wagon on it that both scum can hammer if Lexa's town. If Lexa's scum, we lose nothing by forcing them to vote first.

[ThinkBig]

Why is this remarkable? Claim contradictions is stronger evidence than reads

I have a sweet spot for newbies.

So that's why you like me?

Pedit beat me to the punch

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Apparently contradiction wasn't the correct noun. I was referring to the competing JOAT claims. I find Titus's considerably more likely as a watcher/tracker joat makes more sense with all alones claim whereas the doctor/jailkeep claim makes less sense and competes with my roleblock

Titus didn't claim before you accused Shannon.

[Titus]

Why is this remarkable? Claim contradictions is stronger evidence than reads

I have a sweet spot for newbies.

So that's why you like me?

Pedit beat me to the punch

*squeeze*

[PranaDevil]

Prana, if you had to rate the two suspects and suppose I'm town, how would you rate them? I cannot believe the wall of non-commital of crap I got today. Basically, you have to lynch Lexa or shannon, who do you pick and why?

For a start, I'm not even attempting to "suppose you're town", you seem to be exceptionally good at getting people to rally around you while claiming you are obv. Town. You're not even obv. Playing. Read the thread for fucks sake. As of now I refuse to respond directly to you, but I will point out, for others, your scummy shit.

(Apologies, phone deleted too much on the below quote, it's shannon's not long after Titus' above)

Titus subs in to the game. Everyone is like OMG Titus, you'll save us through VCA! Which is great if Titus is town (even though I've seen her VCA be wrong as town) but terrible if she's scum. She starts out on her VCA exercise, and everyone follows along. If she makes a misstep, never mind, she hasn't read the thread, it's OK someone will tell her and she'll adjust.

Yep, that's been a rather huge problem. Though only TB and Gin were excited for her entry, and they are the two she buddied up to... coincidence?

Around the time where that all started, I'd claimed a JOAT role and Lexa had revised her claim. People are thinking hang on, no way are there three JOATs in play, surely Shannon is faking it. Surely Lexa is faking her claim, why not claim properly right at the start? Then Titus claims JOAT, and suddenly ... that's plausible? It's not rendering town completely OP to have her as JOAT #3, but it is to have me? And there's totally no way there could be four of us, so I must be lying? (Look back at when I claimed my role - why would I even fake claim there, as town or scum? Why not simply say nothing and continue to play? Now ask yourself the same question about Titus).

Don't forget the scummy as shit way she wanted a claim. Would be very easy to find out another town role while pretending I need to claim first, and do one of two things 1- "oh, you have no role, I'm this one that I made up, that conveniently has no use except to catch scum, and as people think I'm town, I can direct the game by simply lying"

2 - "oh, I was just pretending, I have no role" that Alisae did first.

Titus attempting (and failing, so goodo) to force a claim was scummy as shit, and was all based around it being safe to claim because she was obv. Town as well so we were "safe".

For my money, the team is Titus and Lexa.

I'm in agreement. I'm really really against the way she has come in and, with no reason for anyone to believe her, has attempted to become town leader. Literally zero reason to believe she's town. Yet the two people going "Pep could be scum" previously have decided the slot is obv. Town based on who is in the slot, rather than the actions, which are scummy as fuck.

Furthermore, if Gin is scum with Shannon, I'll get a result from what I do tonight.
If Gin is scum with Lexa, I don't get a result tonight.
You die both cases.

If Gin is scum with Devil, then I get a result tonight or die.
If Lexa is scum with Shannon tonight. I don't get a result.
If Devil is scum with Lexa. I don't get a result.

All universes suggest you die or I particularly don't have to care about it.

Again, directing town, and making statements that are made to control town for her purposes. At least I was being open and giving the options for me being scum for the reasons of overall interest. Titus just goes "these are the only factual possibilities because I say so, all follow me and dive out this 16 storey window".

Yeah, I'm voting Lexa today.

No, we're No Lynching today, and tomorrow we are not listening to any result Titus got and making our entire decision on the back of that, as scum can just go "caught this person lying, lynch them" and at this stage Laurel and bloody Hardy here will just go "righto captain" and scum don't even need to hammer as Gin and TB do it for them. (Well, assuming only one survives the other scum just hammers after, job done).

If we lynch wrong now, we lose instantly, scum get goven the game on a plate. At least with a no lynch we narrow some stuff down.

[PranaDevil]

All the non-titled quotes are the same shannon post, bloody phone posting after just waking up.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yep, that's been a rather huge problem. Though only TB and Gin were excited for her entry, and they are the two she buddied up to... coincidence?

Haven't truly read but I notice when I see my name.

I will admit I thought about how I made it easy to befriend Titus on her entry.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Prana, what's the point of no lynching if the only thing that changes is 2 conf!town drops to 1 and scum can gain the ability to quick hammer after 1 town vote on town?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'd advocate a No Lynch if it meant scum would be forced to kill a slot people are contesting about but in this case, there is no contesting TB and I

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can assume it's early morning for you, I'm up and willing to talk.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Really wish we could have afforded a lynch right about now.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm fucking annoyed Pep's slot got to not play the whole fucking game and now we're here.

[PranaDevil]

I'd advocate a No Lynch if it meant scum would be forced to kill a slot people are contesting about but in this case, there is no contesting TB and I

This is a somewhat fair point, but I remind you of my post last night in regards to the fact I'm not sure about things right now, meaning even shannon's stuff regarding your slot makes some sense to me now, thus I'm not sure if there are any definitive confirmed town in my head at the moment.

Likely town? Sure, but enough to bank the entire game on it? I'm not so sure. (and I can understand that if, indeed, you are town, this seems like me just going back on my previous certain view that you are town, but considering everything... it worries me, and I hoe you can appreciate that if you are town).

I still need to go over Titus as a whole, but I strongly feel her entry and pushing has not been for town's purpose, and the fact she basically had two buddies before she even replaced in, who were willing to side with her throughout the VCA even to the point of overlooking any and all contradictions and errors in judgement, and it's of absolutely no shock to me that you two were obv. town for all that time, which is why it's very interesting that prior to Garmr's wobbly you guys were obv. town and were easily town and as a block you could easily win... and now we hit MyLo (with the option of No Lynch for LyLo), she suddenly questions even your slot and only has TB as confirmed town, yet uses a really piss poor argument of "even if TB isn't we have to go through Gin to get at him" to answer it. We're at a point where we can't afford a mislynch... which means if Gin and TB are lying we've lost anyway, and if we're being directed elsewhere as well, how would we ever know?

Thus I feel like Titus is creating confusion from a no lynch, set it up so that TB is the "only logical one to die as he's the only confirmed town" based on solely her wording, and then attempt to use her "result" to direct us to someone else... perhaps "catching" a lying Gin who is no longer "obv. town"? Or "catch" a Prana that was obv. town right up until her entry?

everything just smells of bullshit and deciet and it's only because she has two lapdogs that she seems to have got away with it. I really, really want everyone to question Titus' slot here. Don't bother asking questions, she clearly hasn't read the thread and so actually playing mafia isn't her strong suit, but read her posts and question the motives behind them, which is what I'm doing shortly.

[PranaDevil]

I'm fucking annoyed Pep's slot got to not play the whole fucking game and now we're here.

Agreed, had Pep actually not flaked, we may have something more to go on beyond Titus' posting, and may have got somewhere. The flaw is we can't auto-LAL because if we start doing that, scum learn that and just make sure they're active, and they can coast to victory as we make the game harder on ourselves. (Overall game wise I mean, in case someone tries diving on this post for "see, Prana knows that slot is town")

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

{

LQ

,

Alisae

}
{

TB

, Shannon}
{Lexa, Prana,

Garmr

,

Jordan

}
{Pep,

BBT

}
{

Karnos

,

AA

}

I don't know if you can understand where I'm coming from but look at my general baseline of reads. Everyone is in the fun zone of null-ish.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

{Prana,

Jordan

}
{

Gin

,

Garmr

,

Lickety

}
{

Alisae

,

Karnos

, Lexa}
{

All Alone

,

ThinkBig

}

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

{Prana,

Jordan

}
{

Gin

,

Garmr

,

Lickety

}
{

Alisae

,

Karnos

, Lexa}
{

All Alone

,

ThinkBig

}

Pep isn't mentioned

[PranaDevil]

So are you thinking shannon deliberately left off her partner on the basis of them lurking so we would (it turns out rightly) overlook it? Because that's all I'm seeing there. However considering the lack of Pep's posting, I can understand it would be easy to miss the slot, though shoving all slots into the middle and then moving them up/down is a better idea by all accounts.