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[mastina]

Forty-fifth Votecount

:

(First Votecount D5)

Not Voting - 5 (shannon, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Titus, Lexa, PranaDevil)

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch.

Day 5's deadline is Thursday, March 9th, @ 3:00 PM PST--(expired on 2017-03-09 19:02:05).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, Lexa says she blocks Prana, when we don't know if she blocks Titus.

Who we don't know actually has her abilities and claims to track me with a "No result" making me ascetic if both parties are telling the truth 100%.

Hit this with the razor a couple times and then tell me a WIFOM-less response

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, Lexa says she blocks Prana, when we don't know if she blocks Titus.

Who we don't know actually has her abilities and claims to track me with a "No result" making me ascetic if both parties are telling the truth 100%.

All the while, me having no actions and not being ascetic.

Among the 3 of us, there is in fact at least 1 lying sack of shit.

[Titus]

So, Lexa says she blocks Prana, when we don't know if she blocks Titus.

Who we don't know actually has her abilities and claims to track me with a "No result" making me ascetic if both parties are telling the truth 100%.

All the while, me having no actions and not being ascetic.

Among the 3 of us, there is in fact at least 1 lying sack of shit.

Yes. That's the simplest conclusion, which is why I opened with cross em.

There could be a second roleblocker but I find that absurd. So, we still have a 1 v 1.

[mastina]

@Mod, since I no longer have actions left, would it be "no result" for tracking?

A tracker targeting a player who does not act, or is immune to being detected acting, will receive a result of, "[Target playername] did not visit" or similar wording thereto.
A tracker targeting a player who is immune to being targeted (e.g. Commuter when commuting, Ascetic, the target of a Rolestopper) will have their action fail and receive "No Result".

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SO

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

We know for a fact I'm not ascetic

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am (was!) a town JOAT.

N1 I jailkept Think Big
N2 I doctored Gin and Tonic
N3 I bodyguarded Gin and Tonic

bloop

N2 and N3, she would have gotten No results :p


One piece of the puzzle down

Now, it's either Lexa is lying about roleblocking Titus or Titus lying about the no result.

[Titus]

I am (was!) a town JOAT.

N1 I jailkept Think Big
N2 I doctored Gin and Tonic
N3 I bodyguarded Gin and Tonic

bloop

N2 and N3, she would have gotten No results :p


One piece of the puzzle down

Now, it's either Lexa is lying about roleblocking Titus or Titus lying about the no result.

Doctors and roleblockers don't get PMs with any sort of result. So that's technically a rush to clear yourself.

[Titus]

Did anyone ever get the fruit?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Doctors and roleblockers don't get PMs with any sort of result. So that's technically a rush to clear yourself.

I DONT UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS TITUS.

[Titus]

Doctors and roleblockers don't get PMs with any sort of result. So that's technically a rush to clear yourself.

I DONT UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS TITUS.

You claimed that Shannon targeting you would have known you were ascetic. That's not the case. Doctors do not receive feedback. If you died, she'd know her protection failed. But since you're living, Shannon knows nothing.

[PranaDevil]

So... you track/watch/whatever the guy with nothing left to do... when you could have checked what Lexa was doing knowing (if shes honest at least) that she should have an action in blocking me, to at least confirm she did do so? At least that's the claim...

I have some theories as to why Titus didn't use the action on Lexa, but they all end up meaning Titus is scum in some form. My main theory being that pretending to get a "no result" is a great way to do one of two things:

1 - "I was blocked, therefore Lexa is scum who blocked me", and we're back onto Lexa being scum for the 5 billionth time, and we have a mislynch of Lexa

2 - "I was blocked, therefore Lexa is scum who blocked me", and we lynch scum-Lexa and Titus buys town points for the next day.

Either situation means Titus scum wins.

All I know is, thanks to yesterday's insinuation that everyone who is currently alive has to be the scum team because the VCA tells us so, Titus has to be scum as she clearly was more interested in getting "a" lynch, rather than the "correct" lynch.

Gin, is it not possible both are lying to some extent? Lexa might not be a roleblocker, and Titus may not be a Watcher. Or Lexa may be a roleblocker, while Titus is something else. I'm not ruling out either one or both being scum, but my money is solidly on Titus-scum.

[Titus]

So... you track/watch/whatever the guy with nothing left to do... when you could have checked what Lexa was doing knowing (if shes honest at least) that she should have an action in blocking me, to at least confirm she did do so? At least that's the claim...

I have some theories as to why Titus didn't use the action on Lexa, but they all end up meaning Titus is scum in some form. My main theory being that pretending to get a "no result" is a great way to do one of two things:

1 - "I was blocked, therefore Lexa is scum who blocked me", and we're back onto Lexa being scum for the 5 billionth time, and we have a mislynch of Lexa

2 - "I was blocked, therefore Lexa is scum who blocked me", and we lynch scum-Lexa and Titus buys town points for the next day.

Either situation means Titus scum wins.

All I know is, thanks to yesterday's insinuation that everyone who is currently alive has to be the scum team because the VCA tells us so, Titus has to be scum as she clearly was more interested in getting "a" lynch, rather than the "correct" lynch.

Gin, is it not possible both are lying to some extent? Lexa might not be a roleblocker, and Titus may not be a Watcher. Or Lexa may be a roleblocker, while Titus is something else. I'm not ruling out either one or both being scum, but my money is solidly on Titus-scum.

So, why not just outright claim to track Lexa and propose to track Lexa if I'm setting up Lexa to be lynched? Also, why object to my plan when I proposed tracking/following Gin? Why not chime in yourself?

[Titus]

Devil, I presume you're hard townreading Gin and scumreading Lexa correct?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Devil, I presume you're hard townreading Gin and scumreading Lexa correct?

[Titus]

Devil, I presume you're hard townreading Gin and scumreading Lexa correct?

THere's a method to my madness.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THere's a method to my madness.

Making everyone go crazy, yes

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Titus, what was the reason you scum read me anyways?

[PranaDevil]

I've been townreading Gin since he claimed pretty much, though BBT's flip helped that nicely. I did waver through shannon's stuff, but the probability of Gin being scum is minimal. This leaves:

Titus
Lexa
shannon

two of these are scum (and yes, I accept for other town my name would be there). My order from scum to town on these three goes:

Titus
Lexa
shannon

I believe Titus is scum either way, Lexa is most likely the partner, but shannon should be looked at as well to be certain.

Devil, I presume you're hard townreading Gin and scumreading Lexa correct?

THere's a method to my madness.

The real question is how often does Lexa flip between town and scum in this method? Are we going to try and beat yesterday's record of about 5 changes of view in about as many actual days?

[Titus]

THere's a method to my madness.

Making everyone go crazy, yes

Have some vodka. It helps. :-p

I'll be out this evening.

Pretty sure of the scumteam anyway with the actions.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Have some vodka. It helps. :-p

Look at my name and you dare suggest that

[mastina]

<<< For clarity, in any of my games, all roles will receive a minimum of one confirmation. I usually will give people an "action received" response once they have submitted and I have recorded their action, though I may neglect this from time to time. Universally, I will ALWAYS send a confirmation that I received their action at the end of the night. I will NOT inform them of the success/failure of their action. Simply that I did in fact receive their action.

The mafia performing the nightkill will be informed that I received their kill. A bodyguard would be informed I received their BG. A commuter would be informed that I received their commute. A cop would be informed I had received their cop. (And as an investigative role, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A doctor would be informed I had received their protection. A follower would be informed I had received their investigation. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A friendly neighbor would be informed I had received their action. A gunsmith would be informed I had received their investigation. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) If an innocent child uses the "activated at night" variant, I would confirm I had received their request to activate it. A jailkeeper would be informed I had received their jailkeep. A motion detector would be informed I had received their investigation. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A Neapolitan would be informed I had received their investigation. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A neighborizer would be informed I had received their neighborize. A ninja would be informed I received their ninja action. A rolecop would be informed I had received their investigation. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A roleblocker would be informed I received their block. A rolestopper would be informed I had received their rolestop. A tracker would be informed I received their track. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A Vanilla Cop would be informed I received their investigation. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A vigilante would be informed I received their kill. A voyeur would be informed I received their watch. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A watcher would be informed I received their watch. (And as an investigative, would be given a result, even if said result was "no result" due to any form of action failure.) A Jack of All Trades is made up of the above roles and would follow the appropriate procedure for the given role. That is every role listed as Normal on the wiki, and how I would treat them. If I elected to use my allotted non-normal role, then it would follow a similar procedure. >>>

[Titus]

Titus, what was the reason you scum read me anyways?

You reacted with hostility to the mere possibility of being included as scum and was defending obvious scum Devil.

The answer though is likely Lexa Devil anyway.

[PranaDevil]

Oh do tell... which pairing is it this time? Oh I know!

Garmr/Devil right? I knew it must be him

or maybe Devil/Gin?

or how about shannon/Lexa? Did that one come up before, I can't remember... i know we went through everybody at some stage.

Oh nope, Lexa's back to being scum again...

I'll keep a tally on how often we jump around with your read on Lexa today. That's 1.