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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:57 am

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Post Post #37 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:01 am

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Vote: Rosso Carne
because I can.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:26 am

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The way I see it, there are three 'teams'- pirates, ninjas, and town, with a few possible people with alternate win conditions. There's probably a pirate cop and doc, as well as a ninja cop and doc- a fact supported by DGB's role. I'd also expect some kind of weapons dealer. Also, Thok, Guardian typically writes Haiku in early days- it's not a PR.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:24 pm

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Vote: Thesp
. As proven with Luke Skywalker and the opening text, there are those who are niether. That you didn't know this makes you #1 on my list.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:32 pm

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That's not what I'm suggesting, however, the way I see it the pirates and ninjas are 'scumgroups' of a sort. Thesp said he wanted to force people to say which they were, making it seem to me like he wasn't aware that some people weren't either, therefore he is one of the two, ie scum. I have my doubts as to this theory, seeing as he'd have to pretty much have missed the opening scene, but it's at least a start.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:05 pm

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Thesp wrote:
Gorrad wrote:Vote: Thesp. As proven with Luke Skywalker and the opening text, there are those who are niether.
I am troubled/saddened by the fact that you were so blatant about this.
I'm afraid I don't quite follow.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:12 pm

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Erg0 wrote:I think Thesp was hoping to trick those who lack basic literacy skills.
Ah. Yeah, well...blarg. Not that I aprove of trickery or honestly think anyone would fall for that, but yeah. Sorry.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:34 pm

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I am currently playing a game
Where I am doing the same
I did some haiku
When someone else did so too
My love of the art is to blame

Guardian- your head should not swell
That I like to rhyme is not a tell
If there's another poet
No matter my allignment
I'll join him in meter as well

Moreover that you should think
That this tell would make scum here sink
A "scumtell" for me
would not possibly
Push other folk off of the town's brink
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Post Post #116 (isolation #8) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:17 am

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I see where people are coming from on the Iammars wagon, but I think it's kind of weak reasoning.
FoS: Iammars
. Iammars, thoughts?
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Post Post #122 (isolation #9) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:44 am

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Ok, the whole discussing the setup thing? I don't get how that's scummy. If I saw someone else do it, I'd see it as a null-tell. Obviously some of y'all see it as scummy, if y'all want to explain why, that's cool, either way I really can't defend myself against something I don't understand.

As for Mars, he's getting a good number of votes while he's not at his computer. The logic behind his bandwagon is the biggest tell I've seen in the game so far, so normally I'd vote him, but I'd rather give him a chance to say his peace than add one more vote to the list of ones he gets while not able to explain himself.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #10) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:58 am

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Mgm wrote:Gorrad, it's not the discussing of the setup that is scummy, it is the manner in which you and Mr. Iammars are doing so.
I don't follow, sorry.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #11) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:10 am

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JordanA24 wrote:Oh, and before I forget, Happy Birthday Mars!
I second the motion
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Post Post #183 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:16 pm

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Mgm wrote:
Gorrad wrote:As for Mars, he's getting a good number of votes while he's not at his computer. The logic behind his bandwagon is the biggest tell I've seen in the game so far, so normally I'd vote him, but I'd rather give him a chance to say his peace than add one more vote to the list of ones he gets while not able to explain himself.
So what tell did you see?
His piratey confirmation. It was a weak tell, but still the biggest I'd seen in the first few pages. I'm satified with his explanation, though, so I'm back to no leads so far.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:12 am

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Claus wrote:Also, I don't like when people say "Oh, I have no leads". Don't be timid, we won't laugh at you if you tell us who you suspect!
I honestly don't see anyone standing out right now- there's a lot of bad play here, enough that no one person stands out among it all. I'm going to reread soon (probably later today), but a vast majority of this thread has either been attack of me or attack of Iammars, neither of which I find based on good nor on solid tells.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:44 am

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Thesp wrote:
Gorrad wrote:His piratey confirmation. It was a weak tell, but still the biggest I'd seen in the first few pages. I'm satified with his explanation, though, so I'm back to no leads so far.
What other explanation would you have expected? "Aw, shucks, you got me"?
Thesp wrote:By the way, Iammars, are you a pirate?
Now, I might be looking into this too much, but isn't your second quote here directly contradicting the first? The fact that you asked him if he was a pirate leads me to think yes, there WERE other ways he could claim. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked him that. I saw you ask him, and thought 'Oh, he's trying to trick someone again. I'd better not screw it up.' So I FoS'd to try and help.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:09 pm

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I wasn't very suspicious, no. I understood were people were coming from, but the basis of the wagon was so weak that I figured it had to be a trap I would be interrupting again by pointing out. I never intended to vote for him.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:30 pm

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Gorrad wrote:I wasn't very suspicious, no. I understood were people were coming from, but the basis of the wagon was so weak that I figured it had to be a trap I would be interrupting again by pointing out. I never intended to vote for him.
I don't believe this for a moment. I hope a vig has good sense and kills you dead tonight.
I'm a Hale and Hardy person. I think I can stand your disbelief, especially seein' as how I have nothing more to say on the matter.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:26 pm

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After a headache of a reread,
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. His being scum could explain quite a bit of his behavior.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:00 am

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Well a lot of his play, especially the ridiculous traps and bandwagons, just doesn't seem like smart play. It sounds like scum trying to look town but not actually doing something that could pay off. His posts are also fairly opportunistic and with weak logic. I frankly expected more from him.
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Post Post #364 (isolation #19) » Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:30 pm

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Twomz, did you catch my post 336?
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Post Post #417 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:02 pm

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UltimaAvalon wrote:
I also still don't remotely understand the objection to what I had to say about mass-claim.
Regardless of the time of day or the circumstances surrounding it, massclaims are pro-town. Period.
I very much disagree with this. I enjoy when the town has powerroles.

Also, while I must say Flameaxe is, as always, being very unhelpful, his posts make me laugh.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #21) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:10 pm

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Hey, we would have won that if you weren't Olidimarra's gift to Vigs, massclaim or not.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #22) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:32 pm

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Thesp, can you give me three good, solid reasons why I'm a better lynch than you (AKA, no 'I'm town, so I shouldn't be lynched')? And of course I'll do the same.

1. Thesp has been pressing a bandwagon on very poor points.

2. Thesp is pushing massclaiming. I cannot see any advantage to this that outweighs the disadvantage of having our most potent powerroles picked off.

3. Thesp is a very experienced player, and as such the only reason I can fathom why he'd be so opportunistic and weak-reasoned is if he was scum. I said before, I expected more from him. Also, in your last post, you didn't mention a single point against me, but still voted me at the end. Honestly, it seems you're covering your bases in case another bandwagon starts up while trying to not look like votehopping scum

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Post Post #427 (isolation #23) » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:10 pm

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Whoops, you're right, I accidentally combined UA and Thesp.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #24) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:32 am

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Thesp, I did retract #2 in 427.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:11 pm

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I don't like Mgm's posts in general, but I don't find them outstandingly scummy, just unhelpful. Honestly, if he actually hunted more, I'd have him smack dab in the middle of no-tell zone.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:45 am

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[quote="Mgm"]I've shared my thoughts on the Iammars wagon before and how Gorrad tries to reason it to be a good wagon makes me suspect of him./quote]

This right here? This is an example of just not paying attention.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #27) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:13 pm

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Well, I suppose I might as well claim due to my not being dead yet. I'm Oliver Hardy, mason with Stan Laurel, hasdgfas. I am told in my role PM that he's a good guy, 100% pro-town, so by vigging me at least you got a confirmed innocent. Now gee, if only you'd have let me claim CONFIRMABLE INNOCENT before you vigged, maybe I'd not be dead. MBL, you suck.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #28) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:13 pm

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Gorrad wrote:
Thesp wrote:
Gorrad wrote:I wasn't very suspicious, no. I understood were people were coming from, but the basis of the wagon was so weak that I figured it had to be a trap I would be interrupting again by pointing out. I never intended to vote for him.
I don't believe this for a moment. I hope a vig has good sense and kills you dead tonight.
I'm a Hale and Hardy person. I think I can stand your disbelief, especially seein' as how I have nothing more to say on the matter.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:01 pm

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I thought I had to. Right after a ressurection, I was completely ready to accept a dayvig.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:19 pm

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Because I thought I was dead. The fact that I can confirm him protown would have helped later. Otherwise, there would be people either a) thinking he might be scum partnered with town (If I didn't say he was confirmed) or b) claiming Laurel (if I did say he was confirmed, but not who he was). Obviously, I didn't WANT to claimt his early, but I felt I had no better option.
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Post Post #519 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:20 pm

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Simulposted. Hasdgfas, let's chalk that up to my never being mason before.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:13 pm

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Thestatusquo wrote:Why the hell would you claim your partners name?
I told you my logic. I wanted a confirmed innocent to make up for a dead confirmable innocent. I'm sorry, 'kay?
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Post Post #554 (isolation #33) » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:54 pm

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Bad playing- See Figure A

A)
Twomz wrote:Who says I've contributed anything? I want quotes...
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Post Post #561 (isolation #34) » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:53 am

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I'm trying to decide if MBL's play is scummy or stupid, and I'm leaning towards the latter. Anyone know if his play is usually this terrible?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #35) » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:14 am

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Twomz wrote:Pfft @ Gorrad/Hasdgfas: Because you know, everyone always contributes so much on Day 1. I consider myself uncontributional until I either start a proper bandwagon, help pick out a scum or figure out some big important fact about the game. And y'all aren't 'confirmed' innocents until one of you gets killed.
Terrible, terrible playstyle. Always try and contribute. As for the confirmation, I want you to think about that. Would scum honestly claim their partner for the same reasons I did? I thought I was dead, so I claimed to confirm another innocent. If I was scum, I would have said Bah or at least not brought another scum with me.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #36) » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:17 am

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And man, I completely forgot we already know MBL's alignment. Just stupid play then. The clarification being a) faking a dayvig you do not have (I find faked roles scummy/bad play no matter the context) and then b) denying the fact that I'm certainly town, as seen in the post above.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #37) » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:27 pm

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Very good post, Cicero. I wholeheartedly agree with everything except the Guardian/Thesp argument- I really don't see much of a case on Guardian, care to elaborate on it?
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Post Post #626 (isolation #38) » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:45 pm

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I state again: I didn't copy poems due to my being scum, not even a little bit. If I had done so, I would be agreeing with you that it is a scumtell. Unless you think I'm lying about the mason claim and am scum trying to protect someone, there's no reason for me to lie about that now.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #39) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:34 am

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Iammars hasn't really been active in any of his games, I'm not willing to vote him for it. I really don't see a case for K-Scope, and it looks like a scumwagon to me (
FoS: Mgm
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Post Post #663 (isolation #40) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:53 am

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Mgm wrote:
Gorrad wrote:Iammars hasn't really been active in any of his games, I'm not willing to vote him for it. I really don't see a case for K-Scope, and it looks like a scumwagon to me (
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:?: Huh? What has the Kscope wagon got to do with me?
Awhoops, reread too fast. Swapped you and Twomz : P.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #41) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:49 pm

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Thok's right about Guardian's playstyle. Accursed Ork massclaim...
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Post Post #698 (isolation #42) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:53 pm

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I meant that Thok was right about Guardian wanting to exert some control over the town. As seen in Ork mafia where he pushed that frikkin' massclaim for what, 40 pages?
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Post Post #707 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:12 am

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mikeburnfire wrote:Gorrad is tied with Guardian, even though he's a mason. Bravo, guys.
This made me lol.
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Post Post #779 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:04 pm

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Haikus are Japanese, like ninjas.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:44 pm

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Twomz wrote:at first glance it appears as if 1/2 the people on the wagon are either confirmed or not really being considered right now.
Can you be more specific?
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Post Post #829 (isolation #46) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:58 pm

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I believe ration = ratio
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Post Post #871 (isolation #47) » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:15 pm

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Guardian wrote:ps: Gorrad, cow, MBL: Only one of you is voting for me or scope, and none of you have been particularly active.

Being pseudo-confirmed town is a great chance to *lead*, and make things happen, without lots of suspicion back for it :\. so use this opportunity.
I'm in the same boat at Hasd here. There's a lot of long posts, most of which I find full of nice, puffy, fluff. It's easy to get lost, hear the same points over and over again, and come out worse for the wear. I'm standing by my previous points. I think a K-Scope wagon just for lurking is totally scum driven, which fits in with Guardian's Thesp-scum points. Frankly, I see all signs pointing to Thesp right now.

Of Guardian and K-Scope, I don't see either as particularly scummy. Guardian's just as pushy and jumpy as he was in Ork, and while I'd like K-Scope to post more, to save his own hide if nothing else, I don't see much scum there. It frankly looks like scum trying to push an easy lynch of a lurker- akin to them pushing the easy lynch of someone with a piratey confirmation. Who really started hard on those two people? I do believe it was Thesp.

Guardian- What makes you so frikkin' sure one pregame piratey post is such a scumtell? Seriously, it's not important, especially when there's so much else to go on. I'm frankly ashamed so many people are wasting time on it. I find a lot of your posts very Guardian-town-esque, but the amount you're pushing on this is, as the Sicilians say, inconcievable.
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Post Post #879 (isolation #48) » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:50 am

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Ok, were you told specifically that your partner is protown like I was?
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Post Post #903 (isolation #49) » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:05 am

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Guardian, can you respond to post 871 please?
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Post Post #935 (isolation #50) » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:10 pm

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Guardian wrote:Well, Gorrad, at what time in the game are you referring to? When I first brought it up, I thought it was the best thing we had in the game.

Now, I look as it as adding to the fact that Iammars's play has been rather lurky and not town-helpful. At this point, it is part of my suspicion for Iammars, not the totality.
Mostly I just want to know why such a minor point is any part of your argument whatsoever on page 38. Yeah, it's ok to talk about it (although not bandwagon it) when there's nothing else to go on, but it's page 38. We have PLENTY to talk about.

Auto-FoS to anyone who brings up the pirate confirmation as a scumtell


Seriously. Drop it. It's NOTHING. Don't think that I'm defending Mars, I generally haven't liked his play so far (especially the wiki part. It just seems like he's trying to hedge his bets if someone asks 'hey, who is a pro-town pirate?'), but bringing up a piratey confirmation as a scumtell just seems desperate to seem active and scumhunting.

The dead horse is beaten. It drops a subject change- Thesp: Scummy or Very Scummy?
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Post Post #979 (isolation #51) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:27 pm

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I'll check back before I go to bed tonight. I agree No Lynch d1 sucks, but I'm not giving up hope on a Thesp lynch yet.
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Post Post #993 (isolation #52) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:48 pm

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Gods above... My vote goes right back onto Thesp tommorow, but for now I suppose it's time to pray to Olidammara that he's bussing.

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Post Post #1025 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:43 am

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A cutlass is indeed a pirate sword. It's those wicked curved blades they're always depicted carrying.

Vote: Thesp
Carryover.

As for the endday scene, Fhwgwgads and I talked last night and figured that the most likely situation is a one-shot protection townie. With the cross-kill pseudo-protection, it's unlikely (although not out of the question) for a one-shot lynch protection to be scum. Next likely is a governor who realised what a stupid, scummy lynch it was. I'd have rather it gone through to help info today, but that's not my choice.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:16 am

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The Fonz wrote:
Skruffs wrote:Also:
This wasn't adressed yesterday, but is there anyone else who would like to 'vouch' for Guardian's Samwise claim? Perhaps Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf, Sauron, etc?
Anyone from that universe at all?
Apart from mason pairings, where presumably the two have to be from the same universe, i see no reason to think there is necessarily more than one character from each Mythos, nor do think it's fair to claim that we only have 'leading man' characters based on a handful of deaths.
Agreed.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:41 pm

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Guardian there was a question asked earlier that I didn't see you respond to. Why track Erg0? With all your d1 suspicions, wouldn't Thesp have been a better choice?
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #56) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:37 am

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I agree with Erg0. Guardian was lying about one, he's more than likely lying about the other.
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Also, the arm sliced off thing? Complete Star War reference (Luke dangling from one arm, then getting a mechanical one). Props on the fine details, Stoofer.
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #57) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:13 am

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Oy, last remaining goblin- You really targetted Erg0 the other night? Kill him yourself. You want him outta the way at least as much as we do, and we have other things to do than follow the advice of your scumbuddy.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #58) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:39 am

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Skruffs wrote:Big finger of suspicion on gorrad there: guardian had no reason to lie about erg0, and it seems the 'thok hate' was 'justified', thok must have indicated he knew goblins were scum in some way.
Ok, I want everyone to read this paragraph, find the one big, major thing wrong with it, and say it.

I was wondering why I was still alive on d3.
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #59) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:19 am

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Gorrad wrote:Oy, last remaining goblin- You really targetted Erg0 the other night? Kill him yourself. You want him outta the way at least as much as we do, and we have other things to do than follow the advice of your scumbuddy.
Quoted for bump/emphasis.
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #60) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:23 am

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Skruffs wrote:Something seems odd. Why did Gandalf have his own paragraph, and Bruce Lee just a byline?
I dunno, because Stoofer has different priorities than you? A lot of people only had one line.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #61) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:27 am

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Erg0 wrote:Stoofer likes LotR? I dunno, Sonny Chiba got bumped to the bottom too.

I'm also noticing that, judging by the kills so far, it appears that every single player in this game is either scum or a power role.
I saw that too. Makes a cetain amount of sense, given the flavor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an Ultimate-Showdown-of-Ultimate-Destiny-style vanilla bystander.
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #62) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:18 pm

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We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and, with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #63) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:01 pm

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I want no one to respond to this post except Skruffs.

Skruffs, in 1144 you gave me a "big finger of suspicion", and now you give me a "DOUBLE fos". Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and vote me?
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #64) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:07 pm

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Claus wrote:
Skruffs wrote:
Gorrad wrote:We're wasting time with this. Erg0 is trying to distract us. Let's go ahead and lynch Thesp, the last Goblin will off Erg0, and,
with luck, Skruffs will die some way or another soon.
Double play! Distract from Erg0's 'slip' and try to direct competing scum groups as well!
DOUBLE fos!
Gorrad is a claimed mason, and his partner died.

Just saying.
ARGH! I was trying to get him to admit he forgot, hence why I'm still alive d3.

Also:
Skruffs wrote:Regardless of if he is confirmed, It's really scummy to be trying to tell people to kill me, considering I don't remember him actually saying he thought I was scum earlier in the game.
Ah, I didn't? Sorry 'bout that.

I think Skruffs is scum.

Sorry 'bout that.

For those wondering, reread all his d3 posts. HUGE scum vibes from all of them.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #65) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:55 pm

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No, Skruffs, that was yesterday, D2. Today is D3.

And Erg0 is correct. We have no way of knowing if Guardian was telling the truth or not. If the goblins really did target Erg0 one day, they can bloody well do it again. Today's lynch is Thesp.
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #66) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:03 pm

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Skruffs wrote:oh.

Well now it all makes so much more sense, now, then, doesn't it?
Thanks.
You're very welcome.
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #67) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:08 pm

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Hello, Flameaxe. How are you? Do you feel like giving any thoughts, or are you just here to greet us?
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #68) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:41 am

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That's about the same scumlist as I have, MBL, but I don't quite follow Re: the Ninjas. I see where you're coming from with Erg0 and Thesp, and to an extent Twomz, but I'd like generally some more info on why you suspect each of them.
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #69) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:28 pm

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Wow. I forgot it was Twomz who claimed yesterday. Yeah, I believe that claim, just totally spaced.

Cicero: 1. Why not? The scum want him out of the picture as much, if not more than we do. It's good for all parties involved.
2. I'm not voting Thesp because of Mgm. Not in the slightest. I've been voting himf or most of the game, primarily because of his crappy bandwagons.

Kison: It's unlikely because they already have one-shot protection from NKs. One or the other I wouldn't have much trouble with, but both is pretty OP in my opinion.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #70) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:13 pm

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First off- Skruffs, I NEVER directed scum to kill you. I told scum to kill Erg0, and I said you should die one way or another relatively soon. I stick by that.

Second- Thesp, are you a one-shot Dayvig? If not, our answer is simple- Every time we have someone at L-1, Thesp attacks them. If we choose scum, hip hip hooray! If we choose town, then we don't lose a lynch and Thesp dies. I agree that his role doesn't seem the most pro-town, and this way we don't lose anything except possibly a very scummy townie, and more likely a very scummy scum.
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:00 pm

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Kison, reread that quote in context. Then say 'Oh, wait, you were talking about him targetting someone at L-1. He would lynch for us.'

And right now, I'd be ok with him targetting Skruffs or Erg0, but I want to wait for the town to decide between the two.

Also,
Unvote, Vote: Skruffs
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Thirdly, Erg0 hasn't claimed, despite constant pressure to do so.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #72) » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:11 pm

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Erg0 wrote:Constant pressure? Where? I've only seen one person even mention anything about me claiming. I've certainly been under pressure, but not pressure to claim.
Hmm, well, I may have only seen one person, not sure, but I know I've seen you asked mutliple times. Even if it's only one person (now two, I want your claim), I AM sure the pressure has been constant.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #73) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:27 am

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Skruffs wrote:I guess he's bored with the game, since he's confirmed, and that's led to a sedentary, armchair-coaching style of play. No real personal investment.
Completely wrong. Because I'm confirmed, I'm one of the MOST at risk. I'm playing the way I am to take full advantage of my status as such, going after scum before they polish me off.

Fonz, you're right.
Unvote, Vote: Erg0
. I still want a Skruffs death, though.

@Samruc, Rogueben, and Mars- what do you think of Cicero?

@Cicero- what do you think of Samruc, Rogueben, and Mars?
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #74) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:51 am

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Mod:
Samruc hasn't posted since the fourth. Can we get a prod please?
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #75) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:55 am

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I think so, yes. Thanks.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #76) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:03 am

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Keep on doing that. I'm going to wait for their responses before making any accusations. For now, THE LIST is still Erg0, Skruffs, and Thesp, not neccesarily in that order.
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #77) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:26 am

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Thesp targetting Erg0 sounds good to me. But first, I want that claim.
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:29 am

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Wow.
Major FoS: MBF
. It's equally, if not more manipulatable by town.
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:15 pm

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Mars, please answer 1284.
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:08 pm

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Gorrad wrote:Mars, please answer 1284.
Hi CES, welcome to the game. Please also answer 1284.

Re: Erg0- Don't believe the claim. Thesp killing him has my support.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #81) » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:39 pm

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That just means you've been planning the claim ahead of time.

What's wrong:
1. Buffy, vanilla? YA RITE!

2. Sounds like Guardian's safeclaims- Easy to adapt into different roles, but WAY not vanilla (except maybe Ron).

3. You claim to be nightkill-imune-ish, but not aware of the fact? Ok, I COULD see that happening, but even then the chances would be slim. With how you've been acting, I doubt it.
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #82) » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:33 pm

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Recent notes:

1. Erg0- scum, scum, die die die

2. Mars- REALLY bad vibes from his last few posts. A vampire cult? Really? I frankly can't believe he's suggesting this. If we find a cultist, THEN we worry.

3. UA- Wow. Scum much? I can see no downsides to Thesp killing that outweigh the considerable benefits.

4. Cicero- Pretty sure he's town.

5. CES- I didn't like your response Re: Cicero. Was that a joke, saying that you have no read, or what?

6. Skruffs- Notice how he specifically targets the confirmed guy as a possible cult member? Skruffs, I don't know what your beef is with me, but snap out of it.


Thesp, I believe it's your show.
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Post Post #1367 (isolation #83) » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:20 pm

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Rogueben wrote:If there's a cult, then you being recruited could explain some of your play.
Mind giving examples? Or are you just repeating what you heard scum say?
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #84) » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:46 am

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He was just replaced in PYP2 as well
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #85) » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:49 am

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1. To prove your claim
2. Because the only reason he hasn't been lynched yet is because we want you to do so.
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #86) » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:53 am

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Has Rogueben come up with any original ideas this game? Just wondering- it seems like all his posts are just mimicing reasons others have already given as excuses to change his vote.
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #87) » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:27 pm

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I want the town to win, by whatever means neccesary. These means including, but not limited to, the deaths of Thesp, Erg0, and Skruffs.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #88) » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:15 pm

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As of now, it seems we have divided votes between Thesp and Erg0. The ones on Erg0, myself included, are because either they think he's scum and don't want anyone else lynched, or are left over from when we needed pressure for him to claim. The ones on Thesp are pressure for him to Vig. I'm wary of too many votes on Thesp with three scumgroups, as members of the other groups could easily lynch. With Erg0, he's going to die today either way- votes on him have less risk except from members of Thesp's scumgroup who don't want him to be found out.

Here's my plan-

1. We get Erg0 to L-2, and tell no one to go past that point. Those that do are scum and are killed at the next conveniant point. Three more people who are not voting Erg0 say when they are willing to have Thesp lynch him. IMPORTANT: Do NOT vote Erg0 if you still have something to discuss. Bringing him to L-2 and having those three others signifies that the majority of the town is ready for a lynch, and that he would be lynched under normal circumstances.

2. We tell Thesp to vig. If he does vig, he's telling the truth about his role and either dies as scum or kills scum. If he doesn't, we lynch Erg0 and kill Thesp at the next conveniant point.

3. We kill Skruffs. Doesn't really matter how or when, but sooner is better. Rogueben too, I'd say, but after Skruffs.

5. Big profits.
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #89) » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:59 am

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Skruffs, I think you're just not reading. You're making completely false points.
Gorrad wrote:IMPORTANT: Do NOT vote Erg0 if you still have something to discuss. Bringing him to L-2 and having those three others signifies that the majority of the town is ready for a lynch, and that he would be lynched under normal circumstances.
Y'see this? Its purpose is an anti-quicklynch measure. My plan is NOT to have anyone be able to vote Erg0 without consequence or anything like that, my plan is for him to be killed, one way or the other, only when people are ready for the day to end.

And when the majority of a town is ready for a lynch, it's not a frikkin' quicklynch.
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #90) » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:33 am

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So what you're saying is that you'd rather lynch Thesp over Erg0? Now, I'd normally be fine with that, I think they're both complete scum, but Thesp HAS claimed a power role. A lot of people have shown disbelief over it, and he's been very stubborn as to using it, but the fact remains that he's claimed it over Erg0's claim of vanilla with mysteeeeerious powers. I'd rather have Erg0 be risked with a quicklynch (by being put up to L-2), than Thesp, simply because if one does occur, then the lynched person has lessened effect on the town should they be telling the truth.
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #91) » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:14 am

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Stoofer, you outdid yourself on this game. GJ by everyone, such a close game! Hasdgfas, I'm sorry I got you killed. First time as Mason : P.
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