PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!
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@Guardian: Stole your schtick? What schtick? I'll show you a schtick. I'll show you a schtick to long you're eyes will be popped off by my schtick's great length.
*an un-zipping sound can be heard*
*UA pulls a set of index cards out from the bag he opened*
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Guardian, how can you say I'm copying you, when we've only played one game together that I can recall, and there were no haikus by you there, AND you posted before me and that post had no haiku?
How can you say I'm stealing your haikus when a majority of your haikus don't even follow the correct meter?
And last, yes, my avatar portrays a pirate, but my haiku was written from the point-of-view of a ninja. Way to pick up on that, mate. Does the avatar make me a pirate? Does the haiku make me a ninja? Do the two cancel each other out? Do the haikus make you a ninja?
I suggest that in the future, you find real reasons to throw the scum-flag on people rather than MSUAlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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UA's list of people who are stupid
1) People who's only argument against setup speculation is Space Monkeys
2) People who use the /confirm post as a scumtell
3) People who complain about peoples' avatars
4) People who's scumday is today
5) Happy scumday KisonAlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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We're still trying to guess the setup.
Why are we still busy trying to guess the setup on Day 1 when we should be busy killing scum?
Speaking of which, lets kill Guardian
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[quote="Mars"]
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say thats your Role PM's job, or even Stoofer's job. Not Wikipedia's. Granted, I don't know your role PM or what anyone else's says, but thats what makes sense to me.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say thats your Role PM's job, or even Stoofer's job. Not Wikipedia's. Granted, I don't know your role PM or what anyone else's says, but thats what makes sense to me.Mars wrote:Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.
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What's your point here, Ultima Avalon?UltimaAvalon wrote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say thats your Role PM's job, or even Stoofer's job. Not Wikipedia's. Granted, I don't know your role PM or what anyone else's says, but thats what makes sense to me.Mars wrote:Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.
yay for tag fixingsWhether or not his character is a pirate shouldn't be open to interpretation, and, if there's dubt, Wikipedia shouldn't be the one to resolve it.
Also, You still owe me an answer to a question from post 86 or so with respect to why you voted Gorrad.No one hopped on my bandwagon, so I hopped on the first one that had potentialAlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Bold #1: I'm not scumhunting based on roles, because, as it stands, we don't know who the scum are. I'm simply saying it shouldn't be that difficult for Mars to determine whether or not he is a pirate based on his role pm, regardless of his role PM's flavor.
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Reason #2cicero wrote:mass-claiming is indeed NOT the pro-town thing to do.
IS THIS MORE TO YOUR LIKING, GOOD SIR???cicero wrote:In the random voting stage, you voted for yourself. That could be seen as scumAlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Regardless of the time of day or the circumstances surrounding it, massclaims are pro-town. Period.I also still don't remotely understand the objection to what I had to say about mass-claim.
Is the apexThe central point
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Day 1bandwagoning without reason
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Fail. If townies took the entire game seriously, then the random stage wouldn't exist at all ever.cicero wrote:UltimaAvalon wrote:
Townies.Blah Blah Block #3: Or who takes early Day 1 seriously
In fact, it could be argued that it is, in fact, scum, who try and take the entire game seriously, as they over-analyze and nit-pick over the very minor of things, in hopes to find scummy behavoir where it, in fact, doesn't exist.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Nocicero wrote:
Not at all. I take the random stage very seriously in every game.UltimaAvalon wrote:
Fail. If townies took the entire game seriously, then the random stage wouldn't exist at all ever.cicero wrote:
Townies.UltimaAvalon wrote:Blah Blah Block #3: Or who takes early Day 1 seriously
In fact, it could be argued that it is, in fact, scum, who try and take the entire game seriously, as they over-analyze and nit-pick over the very minor of things, in hopes to find scummy behavoir where it, in fact, doesn't exist.The first accusation always comes out of it. So do you. It's why you have a self-vote tradition. You have a meta excuse for your choice. It's the same as random dice rolling.So does everyone else.
Sorry, I hate day ones enough without letting someone's first three votes have "get out of jail free" cards attached to them. That just prolongs the day and lets scum get away with anything they like.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Here, I disagree. If I had daykill powers, I'd use it day 1. What if I got Nightkilled Night 1 and never got to use it? I'd be seriously pissed off. And when will I get awesome daykill powers ever again?Thesp wrote:Note to everyone: Just because youcando cool things doesn't mean youshoulddo cool things.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Happy birthday Erg0
I've been scum in a few multiple scum games in Scumchat, and basically what we did was we used the Day to kill those we thought were scum and Night to kill those we thought were Town. It gave Town a boosted confidence at their ability to hunt scum, when actually they were losing the whole time. It was fun.
On the subject of Massclaims, I do believe they are good for Town, and I have yet to see a situation where it was, indeed, not beneficial to Town. The reason I dropped the issue, and stopped answering questions, is I don't understand theory and such, and I can't really answer why I believe massclaims are good. I simply do. The other reason I dropped the issue, is because I don't want to see a massclaim in this game (at least, not this early), as I believe it could destroy the game, not necessarily in a Town loss, but it would ruin the air of mystery surrounding it as a Stoofer game, and quite possibly make it less fun.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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I meant it destroys games in general. Granted, the only experience I have of Stoofer games is Space Monkeys, which, if I recall correctly, was solved through mass claim, and a bunch of early morning Shirt games in Scumchat, which is basically a test to see who can fake claim the best.Skruffs wrote:Umm...
Hmm.
If you really think Stoofer would make a game that would be breakable by mass claiming, I'm sorry for you.
I appreciate the thought, but not mass claiming because it would ruin the mystery is very short sighted. Or.. do you think that the scum would claim pirates nad ninjas and thus be exposed immediately? Explain your reasoning there.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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I'm saying the things you type are pretty un-fucking-believableGuardian wrote:
and yet you are still voting for me?UltimaAvalon wrote:Vote: Guardian
Whats funny is you believe the things you type.
you posit I believe the things I type (true) and still vote me? Why? How can you possibly justify this?AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Guardian wrote:
This post is alsoIammars wrote:YAR!
I be confirming captain!
highly suspect, considering
the day scene info.Guardian wrote:No one has responded in any meaningful way to my points about UA's pirate avatar, or Iammars's confirming with pirate flavor. I believe the latter is a stronger point, and merits a change of vote at this juncture.
And then, quite suddenly, you decided thatGuardian wrote:Alluding to a role-type on your first post can out you in any flavored game
And we never heard about it again....Guardian wrote:I think Iammars alignment is fairly unknown
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Until you decide we should kill a lurker, and we get:
And where does this lead right back to?Guardian wrote:I definitely think Iammars is the best shot at being scum
You know....maybe you're right. There is no case against you. In fact, your case against Mars is quite sound.Guardian wrote:
How could it possibly be conceived to be not game relevant?Erg0 wrote:You've failed to establish that Mars' confirmation "Yar" is game-relevant. That's going to be a pretty tough one to sell.
This game is *called* PIRATES v ninjas. Confirming AS_A_PIRATE is not game relevant???
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Of course, if that's true, then I could make a case about your constant use of (poorly made) haikus makes you a Ninja.
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Thats not fishing. Fishing implies subtlety. That had the subtlety of a brick being thrown into a lake on a calm, quiet day.Thok wrote:
Why are you fishing for Iammars' flavor?mikeburnfire wrote:If I recall correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong because I have trouble keeping this game straight, you said that wikipedia couldn't help you decide if your role was pirate/ninja/whatever. It seems to me that something like that would be pretty obvious. Why don't you tell me what your flavor is so I can look it up, if it's so difficult for you to define yourself?AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Right, because we all confirmed AFTER Stoofer gave us the death scene.Guardian wrote:
Stoofer's death scene had a pirate kill (obviously) and what appeared to be a ninja kill. It was completely obvious pirates were scum. Mars confirmed like a pirate.Mgm wrote:
Let's assume for a moment that it is game relevant: how could you possibly know at the very first post in the game whether pirates or ninjas are scum without being scum yourself?Guardian wrote:
In the signup thread, we haven't gotten our roles yet.Erg0 wrote:It's a confirmation post - the game proper hasn't even started yet. That's like arguing that what someone said in the signup thread is game-relevant (I am aware that this has already happened).
IN the confirmation thread, we HAD gotten our roles, and stoofer said to treat it as part of night 1. Clearly you see the difference, nO????
Why confirm like scum, unless you are scum trying to do something tricky? (or joking, apparently :\)
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You missed the point of that post entirely. I've already stated what I meant by it. Guardian's explosion when asked a simple question didn't help either.The Fonz wrote:
I notice Guardian himself has already picked up on this, but if you believe him to be sincere, then why are you voting him for it?UltimaAvalon wrote:Vote: Guardian
Whats funny is you believe the things you type.
There is no lynch today unless it is Guardian's lynch. Anyone who reads pages 32 and 33 and thinks otherwise are dumb or scum. (See what I did thar?)AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Still didn't answer the questionUltimaAvalon wrote:
There was also a player who confirmed with a haiku. The death scene revealed a death by ninja. Why are you not attacking him for the exact same thing?Guardian wrote:
ROFL you are an ibecile.UltimaAvalon wrote:
Right, because we all confirmed AFTER Stoofer gave us the death scene.Guardian wrote:
Stoofer's death scene had a pirate kill (obviously) and what appeared to be a ninja kill. It was completely obvious pirates were scum. Mars confirmed like a pirate.Mgm wrote:
Let's assume for a moment that it is game relevant: how could you possibly know at the very first post in the game whether pirates or ninjas are scum without being scum yourself?Guardian wrote:
In the signup thread, we haven't gotten our roles yet.Erg0 wrote:It's a confirmation post - the game proper hasn't even started yet. That's like arguing that what someone said in the signup thread is game-relevant (I am aware that this has already happened).
IN the confirmation thread, we HAD gotten our roles, and stoofer said to treat it as part of night 1. Clearly you see the difference, nO????
Why confirm like scum, unless you are scum trying to do something tricky? (or joking, apparently :\)
Yup. No bullshit here.
I called Iammars scummy after the death scene.at that point in time, I had the information of his confirming like a pirate, and the death scene, implying pirates = scum. With that information, I put 1 + 1 = 2, and voted Mars.
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See? Wasn't that easier than throwing a hissy-fit? My vote stays on you for calling our logic crap, when your own logic is actually given in the dictionary when looking up the phrase. Temper tantrum didn't exactly help.Guardian wrote:And, at that time in the game, I thouight you were copying me pre-game announcement that I'd use haikus. So I didn't aprticularly think that it had anything to do with game-flavor, even if I associated haiku with ninja.
FOS: ThespThere's a thing called appealing to emotion. It's a last resort scum tactic thats used when he is unable to come up with any more lies. Which is exactly what happened.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Are we going to be able to stick with a single bandwagon by Monday?
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Wagons with UA's Stamp of Approval:
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Wagons with UA's Stamp of Frowny Face:
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Where does it say Scum got safe claims?Thok wrote:
If you are scum, you could have been given Sam as a safe name to work with, and then tried to fit a role to that name. And I know you have a tendency when run up as scum early game to claim an investigative role, and in this game from what we've seen so far tracker would be a safer claim for you than any sort of cop.Guardian wrote:Translation: If I were making this up, I'd have made it up better.
But, I am not making it up, my role is not Aragorn, or some other LOTR character. It is Sam. And I am a tracker. And that is that.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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MrBuddyLee wrote:Guardian, why are you disappointed about the death of:
Bruce Lee (Ninja Protector)
?Mr Stoofer wrote:Players(dead):- DrippingGoofball - Jack Aubrey (Pirate Finder) - forced to walk the plank Night 1
- Fritzler - Victor Frankenstein (Resurrector) - died of exhaustion Day 1
- hasdgfas - Stan Laurel (Mason) - Cutlassed Night 2
- Xtoxm (replaced Sir Tornado) - Bruce Lee (Ninja Protector) - Lightsabered Night 2
NOTE: In the above list, pro-town roles appear in black text; anti-town roles appear in coloured text.
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@Skruffs: Bruce Lee isa Ninja. Never has been, never will be.NOT
That being said, I dont see what the big deal about a claim of Sam, in the context of secondary/main characters, in the sense that, compared to other characters, he isn't reallythatsecondary. Tom Bombadil, Treebeard, Wormtongue would be more suspect, but Sam played a larger part than most characters, especially in Return of the King.
Jedi != Ninja.
All in all, I believe this game is focused n pairings. There's the Pirate and Ninja, yes, but I wouldnt be too surprised to see a Chuck Norris or Jet Li to complement Bruce Lee, Obi-Wan or maybe Darth Vader to match Luke, and Frodo for Sam
As it stands, though, I think I'm going to back off of Guardian, for now. Re-reading, I think I'm more in a mindset of I want Guardian to be scum, more than I think he is.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Its not so much as "shutting down the line of thought" as "backing off", because, I do the whle "[pursuing players because I want them to be scummy as opposed to them actually being scummy" a lot, and I'm usually very wrong when I do that. It's all in the sense of me trying to make myself a better Mafia player.Skruffs wrote:EH.. I mixed 'martial artist' with 'ninja'...
and if chuck norris is not in this game, I will be VERY disappointed...
UA: You're being amazingly unhelpful.. why are you shutting down that line of thought - you seem to think it's more likely guardian really is a power role than that he isn't, and yet you insist that you are probably 'trying' to make him llook like scum... which is it.. .are you suspicious of him or are you confident in him...
In other news, there are two nautical vehicles in this game. The Pirate Ship, and the Win Boat. I dont know anything about the Pirate Ship, but as far as the Win Boat is concerned, I am quite sure that Twomz is the captain. Erg0 is his first mate.
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Might be Goblin SK, which would make Bilbo the equivalent of an FBI Agent. Also fits the flavor, as I believe the Goblins in The Hobbit used blunt weapons. Could be wrong, I haven't read it in 6-8 years.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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It says Townie. Not Vanilla Townie.The Fonz wrote:
Congratulations Erg0. We know from the first page that there is at least one vanilla townie in the game, and we now know from your comment that you aren't one of them. If you're not scum, please pull your head out of your ass and stop giving scum information it's better they lack.Mr Stoofer wrote: There is at least one Townie in this game. The Townie Role PM looks like this:[Character Name] (Townie)
You are a good guy and win when all the bad guys are dead.
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I think this day is going too fast...and odds are today and tomorrow we won't have scum exploding all their juicy scum secrets when they're lynched....
That being said, I'm waiting for Thesp's damning evidence against Skruffs before I do anything though.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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Uh....k? Three scum groups, and a cult...makes perfect sense...Iammars wrote:Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.
I don't think Thesp's dayvig, seeing as its day ending, should be town directed. Its essentially the same thing as a lynch, except if we mislynch, we only lose one town (as opposed to Thesp's mis-vig making 2 dead townies)
If Thesp really has Dayvigging powers, he should kill whoever the hell he wants to, whether its Erg0, or Skruffs, or Mars, or UA, or whoever.
Does this mean Erg0 should live? Not at all.
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Whats the big deal about testing? As far as I'm concerned, the only one's who should care if he really has dayvig powers, (and I only feel this way because of the multiple scumgroup scenario) are the scum. Whether he's lying or not, and regardless of his alignment, he now has at least two scum groups now considering him for the nightkill, simply because of the threat of the dayvig.
I'll also always oppose any sort of town-led consensus that isn't the lynch. I'm of the opinion that a single person will always make a better decision than any group of people, especially when that group of people consists of people who are opposing you.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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@Mars. I said at least 2 groups. Also, Ninja SK is still scum.
@Fonz: regardless of how many hits he's had, if he's scum, he's going to die sooner or later. Also, the whole idea behind "testing" still relies on the whole idea of Town Consensus, and I'm much too firmly rooted to the idea that all of us is as dumb as none of us. We'll find out whether or not he's lying after he vigs or after he dies, which either is now likely to happen.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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2 things.
There are people who believe Thesp should kill according to Town consensus. Right now, the Town consensus is he should kill Erg0, whom Guardian said was scum. Think about that for a second
I dont believe Mars's claim at all. Here's why
Mars wrote:Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.
uh.....yaWikipedia wrote:Van Helsing is a Dutch doctor with a wide range of interests and accomplishments, partly attested by the string of letters that follows his name: "M.D., D.Ph.[sic], D.Litt., etc., etc." The character is best known as a vampire hunter, and the arch-enemy of Count Dracula.AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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That was an argument against town-driven vigs, not Erg0 scumminessCogito Ergo Sum wrote:Ibaesha was replaced Night 1, UA.
Erg0 is still scum, kiddo. The rest is irrelevant.UA wrote:There are people who believe Thesp should kill according to Town consensus. Right now, the Town consensus is he should kill Erg0, whom Guardian said was scum. Think about that for a secondAlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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I don't think it's too far of a stretch. Musketballs are essentially itty bitty canonballs that were used as ammunition in muskets and pistols before the time of the bullet. Better than assuming there'smikeburnfire wrote:What's up with the musketballs kill? That doesn't seem to be pirate-related. Do we have a British Invaders scumgroup as well?anotherscum group out there. (Vampires and Commies and Brits. Oh my!)AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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No it doesn't. Does it not strike you as odd at all that only after Erg0(Pirate) popped his Buffy claim that Mars also gave us a Vampire-based claim? Cus it should.MBF wrote: think I'm going to drop my case against Iammars for now. Although his play has been suspicious, with the Communist hunter dead it gives more credibility to Iammars's claim.
Also, I'm going to go as far as to say that there aren't really any Communists in this game. I mean...itisMcCarthy after all...AlyG: If he's not a joke account then what is he? He starts bandwagons on himself and insults other people.-
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