Large Normal 205: Sibling's Love and Quarrel [Endgame]

[Alisae]

SORRY FOR BEING AN INCOMPETENT MOD
WILL FIX NOW

[Alisae]

While I go ahead and lock PTs and release them in stuff which will happen in a few minutes.

Here are my thoughts on the playerlist


Transcend - Okay was somewhat competent
Lil Uzi Vert - Okay was somewhat competent
Steel - Formed no other reads but nosferatu is scum
Creature - Went from "Pretty sure they stopped solving the game at some point" to "Congradulations, at the last minute you finally did it too bad you can't win games."
Zachstralkita - Would rather bus then blitz in LyLo
Chickadee - Was the hero town needed but not the one it deserved
Nosferatu - Literal gamethrowing and just incompetent
Narna - They tried
Carcalilly - Just fucking lol
Mulch - "I want to bus for no reason"
LicketyQuickety - Day 1 lynch
jjh927 - RIP disengagement is a bitch
Kaboose - Did poor invest choices and used their PR terriblely
kraska77 - Terrible reads but I felt bad for em
WhyMafia - I hardly remember this guys existance
MariaR - What did she even do this game?
Vedith - Incompetence and scumread and started a huge flame war with kraska based off of results because loooooooooooool

[Alisae]

Frog did like 90% of the setup
I suggested the Macho IC but that's about it.
This is the last of his genius we get to see because he flaked and is probably happy with his wife and NASCAR and stuff.

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Okay everything but the scum PT is open
and that'll open when Zach is done with what his edits and stuff.

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You can read the review thread to see what the reviewers had to say about it
they approved it so...

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Setup was fine.

We played bad.

Recongize your flaws people

[Alisae]

Scum PT is out
it's 60 pages

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Mulch would have to be gamethrowing if he was town.

He was hardbussing scum the whole game
if anything he wasn't supporting his scum win condition
he was perfectly pro town imo

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Mulch Jul 10, 12:04pm Aug 13, 05:39pm 0 days 1 hour 1204
Lil Uzi Vert Jul 10, 11:45am Aug 13, 06:23pm 0 days 0 hours 820
Zachstralkita Jul 10, 10:35am Aug 13, 06:41pm 0 days 0 hours 779
Transcend Jul 10, 02:55pm Aug 05, 05:31pm 8 days 1 hour 776
Creature Jul 10, 10:57am Aug 13, 06:47pm 0 days 0 hours 624

[Alisae]

I definitely agree with what mastina had to say,
if you're interested in setups and stuff, read the review thread, it is definitely worth the read

Frog had came up with the idea of a Traitor Enabler
so that's interesting

[Alisae]

We went from


Town (13):
2-shot Jailkeeper
2-shot Private Thread Cop
2-shot Gunsmith
Miller Neighbor (Hood A)
Miller Neighbor (Hood A)
Mason
Mason
6 VTs

Mafia:
Traitor Neighbor (Hood B)
Traitor Neighbor (Hood B)
2-shot Rolecop
Traitor-Enabler

If the traitor-enabler dies, the Traitors no longer possess traitor ability (which means they essentially become goons and lose all traitor abilities meaning they can make night kills, they join the main mafia PT, they don't get endgamed if they are the only scum alive, and they report as DO have a gun to a gunsmith).

To our current setup!

[Alisae]

Fucking giving up confidential pm alisae?

?

[Alisae]

If you can talk shit about people behind their backs you should have enough dignity to say it to their face.

[Alisae]

like we were garbage this whole game but don't say you played godlike

[Alisae]

Think what you like.

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What I can't just approach you while you're in my game and tell you how you're preforming in it.
I would be influencing the game.

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Like
I would have redacted that if I didn't want you to see it.

I WANT you to see it.

[Alisae]

What I feel about your scumplay is that you don't stay consistent and on target and you bus when you really don't need to bus.

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If anything I hope the harsh critism helps you grow as a player.

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I'm writing a Wall I won't lock this right now.

[Alisae]

Mulch I'm giving you adivce in my wall.

[Alisae]

Mulch I'm giving you adivce in my wall.

Don't want it

Give me a chance atleast?
I'm harsh because I want to see you grow.

And
like
I'm sorry

please don't make me feel like an enemy here.

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Like
I'm not flaming you here.
I want you to improve and grow and if you hate me fine
If you want to think I'm the scum of the earth fine.
If you want to blacklist me fine.
I will accept that.

Or try to atleast.

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Creature there are exactly 2 things going on right now.
A. Mulch is mad at me for leaking a conversation we had that was relevant to the game when he didn't say I wasn't allowed to post it. I just found out about this now.
B. Mulch is recieving critism over how harsh I tend to view things.


Let's talk about A first.
Okay
on my part
I should have asked "Hey, can I post this in the dead PT"
But I'm just hearing about this now.
It was related to the game so I posted it.
I mean hey,
I'm sorry
but you're also kinda at fault here for not specifying if I was allowed to share or not
WHICH BTW, I don't recall you saying
and if you can prove me otherwise
then we can

privately

about this.

So I'm sorry if I fucked up.
I'm willing to accept I'm in the accept being in the wrong here.



Let's talk about B.

Part of B is how I genuinely feel about Mulch's play.
Did Mulch help control the gamestate?
Yes, he basicly strongarmed lynches and helped win the game.
However there were moments of Day 2 where it just felt like he was prolonging the game when it didn't need to be prolonged.
And there were moments where he wanted to bus Zach for litterally no reason.

You're reckless with bussing man.
You have the same problem with me where you just have the compulsive feeling that you HAVE to bus.
If you can control this
you will improve.

Transcend even said that you should be helping Zach not hindering him.
He gave you some advice.
And I agree with him completely.

Also if you don't need to recklessly draw things out
then don't draw it out.

Those are the problems I have with your play here Mulch, and hopefully there is some advice in here that will help you improve and get better.
I still want to see you play.
But I want you to go up against stronger players.
Because you won't improve going against a playerlist like this.
A playerlist like this is easy to win as scum.
For example, me, Trans, and Frog rolled scum in This Open.
It was a stomp even though we had some problems because the rest of the playerlist just could not keep up skill wise.
Town was complete garbage.

And here they were just tearing each other apart
it was easy pickings at the end, the scumteam really had no threats.

The OTHER part of B is how I feel about mafia and the players on MS as a whole.
Towns shitpost. They don't work together. They don't know how to form strong reads.
They shit up the thread with 100s and 100s of pages of straight up nothing.
I can't tell if this is an eliteist problem or if I just have high expectations of towns or if I just want people to grow.

But I do not have solutions for these problems.
I want to be the person in the town that says "Hey look at me, you need someone to lead ywall in the right direction."
but I can't be that person
I'm just
helpless right now because I just can't trust people to form strong reads.

[Alisae]

Hyperposting is

NOT

one of my problems with Mulch's play.

[Alisae]

LUV
do you think I'm being unreasonable or just a like
a dick in general?

Cuz if that's what I'm being then I'm sorry.
I'm willing to accept it.

[Alisae]

Also I'm not underage

I thought you told me you were.

[Alisae]

Okay I did something bad Mulch I editted it out of our posts sorry

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I was in a bad mood earlier I'll respond to this when in a better mood

I understand.
Sorry

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The Rolecop in this setup is kinda like a Miller that punishes you for claiming
I believe I pointed this out in the Dead PT.

But ye :3

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Also my comments were mostly made out of frustration because from my PoV I kinda just wanted this game over.
It was
kinda depressing to watch.

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I think all it comes down to when it comes to bad townplay is just improving individual town players.
If individuals are stronger at town then the environment has a higher skill cap
the higher the skill cap the harder it will be for scum
the harder it is for scum the more rewarding it is to win as scum.

Things like "Identifying what actually is scum and what isn't" and just learning to ask better questions are probably what we're gonna have to attempt to get people to do here.

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The Awards for "You Did It" in the town go to Transcend (for preventing a MyLo), Chickadee (for trying to solve the game and coming close), and Creature (For actually solving the game just a bit too late)

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Yeah Nos in LyLo you should have probably re-evaluated.
In LyLo you're always kept alive for a reason.

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Like
as much as I wanted this game to be over,
you probably shoulda treated LyLo differently