elias wrote:Why am I scum?
Check out my post 374, and my comments about the whole random bandwagonning thing of yours. I think that you originally supported random bandwagonning, but are not trying to say you support it but didn't do it. Backtracking. Flip Flopping. You're trying to have it both ways.
But while you are asking me, I may as well do a more detailed write-up of the ways in which I think you are scummy. You're reversed yourself a lot in this game. I don't care about reversing voting so much as I care about reversing reasoning. It's hypocritical and I think you are trying to changing your reasons to fit who you want to vote for -- which is scummy.
Examples:
1)omg's activity level first makes you think he's town, then think he's scum.
Elias wrote:Overall, hes still pretty active so for now he seems town to me.
Elias wrote:I understand the basic idea, and maybe defensive wasnt the right word. I dunno, you just seem like youre posting a lot more than you need to, almost like an overcompensation. I cant nail it down.
BM points this out and Elias says
Elias wrote:NOWHERE did I say that posting frequently was a town tell in general. I said I was getting a town feel from him early on based on his high activity level. That doesnt mean that he can just post a lot the rest of the day and be town, and at a certain point overactivity seems fishy to me.
I guess I'm just wondering where this imaginary line is.
2) Most of the game Elias has been defending omg. Except for a murky period when he decides to vote omg. Let's see some of the statements:
elias wrote:Regardless, I said I'm not suspicious of you.
omg wrote:anyways, i am considering voting OMG, mainly based on his hyperactivity, and his quick response to anything anyone says. I dont know why, but it seems scummy to me. And further,
different from the two times I've played with him previously, in which he was town twice.
The overdefensiveness argument that people are making is BS by the way.
BOLDING IS MINE...
This part is the MOST TELLING to me as Elias has said most of the game how omg always plays like this and don't take him seriously. Yet in the above quote he sees omg's play as different. He's vague about how it's different. But he says it's different. TOTAL OPPOSITE. Feels to me like he got sick of defending omg and decided it would just be easier to lynch him. But he had to reverse himself entirely. And his reasoning is so bad. It's meta, and it's not even substantiated. It's just a vague meta feeling that totally goes against what he said previously and later.
And another quote when Elias says the opposite about omg's play -- saying it's different that previous games.
elias wrote:no, hes changed some. before he got impatient and tired of town really quickly, and basically just swore at people (this was as town).
3) A bit more on the random wagonning debate:
re:LLL
Elias wrote:Its called a random wagon in order to create discussion.
elias wrote:By the way, bandwagons are good. I'll agree that the one on OMG is baseless, and a little too large for my liking right now.
Why does he have a problem with the omg wagon being "baseless" when he already said how he likes the idea of random wagons (which are baseless)?
4) Elias piles on and votes GS and then ask others for their reasons for voting GS.
elias wrote:Agree with the above post, but I believe GS would be better suited with a vote: GS.
Elias wrote:Reyo and Friend of Old, why are you voting for GS (I know you didnt actually vote yet reyo)?
Elias votes GS because he agrees with somebody else's reasons (no original thinking here). Then he asks people for their reasons. Which is usually something you do when you don't understand the reasoning. And if you're voting the guy, you should know why he's scummy.