Mini 559 - Cult Mafia again - Game over

[Elias_the_thief]

I agree with OMG. but i think its kind of silly that hes defending himself from BMs accusation givne that fact.

[Elias_the_thief]

also, that being said,

unvote, vote: OMG

. He's the best lynch for today.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

I agree with OMG. but i think its kind of silly that hes defending himself from BMs accusation givne that fact.

not really defending.

saying 'omg is the cultist and must be lynched' = fair enough

saying 'omg is probably townie but still the best lynch' = fair enough

saying 'omg is scum' = ridiculous. anyone saying this has blinders, is scum/cultist themselves, or simply hasnt been reading the game thoroughly (im leaving out the chance of stupidity because anyone with an intelligence so low as to actually read this game through and come to the conclusion that i could be scum i doubt would have the intelligence necessary to be able to type)

[Norinel]

Wow, have a busy Saturday and you miss so much... Anyway, most of what I'd say would be to echo PP- assuming you're always right and everyone else only disagrees with you because they're too stupid to understand is come combination of foolish, fallacious and insulting. My read on OMG has leaned a lot more towards cult or self-destructing townie than mafia, but I could still see it going either way.

I suppose he is right that his lynch will give us a place to start tomorrow, but let's not forget that even if he does come up townie, each of the rest of us has just as much of a functioning confirmed pro-town brain as he does.

unvote: GW, vote: OMG

makes a hammer.

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count

(Page 17)

omg_im_innocent_wtf

– 7 (Oman, Friend of Old, Pink Puppy, Battle Mage, omg_im_innocent_wtf, Elias_the_thief, Norinel)

Battle Mage

– 1 (XreyoX)

Oman

– 1 (dahen)

dahen

–1 (GhostWriter)

Not Voting:

Xtoxm, Blazerunner

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

That is a lynch. Will post a death scene revealing alignment tomorrow when I get a moment. Will provide a deadline for night actions at that time. Locking the thread consider it night now.

[curiouskarmadog]

So you spend the day attempting to root out the evilness that is scum. After much debate, OMG, decides he can not take the pressure of the task any longer and offers himself as a sacrifice. The town, hungry for blood, oblige him and string him from a tree.

omg_im_innocent_wtf,

townie

, Lynched Day 1

It is now officially night. You have 72 hours (March 5th 10am EST) to get in your night choices. If I get all night choices before then, I will open the game early. Now get some sleep.

[curiouskarmadog]

The light peaks over horizon and everyone runs to the town square to discover what there is to discover. Of course, there are missing people. “Where is Elias and Blazerunner?” someone shouts. The crowd rushes to Blazerunner’s house, the front of his house has been redecorated with bullet holes. Entering his home you discover his body. A search of it and his home you discover that he was just an innocent townie.

Blazerunner,

townie

, shot Night 1

Now you make a mad dash to Elias' abode. Entering his home you discover that Elias took a single shotgun blast to the chest. Another search, you discover that Elias too was just an innocent townie.

Elias_the_thief,

townie

, shot gunned Night 1

A grim night indeed.

It is now Day. With 9 alive, it take 5 to lynch, 4 is a no lynch, I am giving you about 4 weeks 04/01.

[XReyoX]

I couldn't believe OMG gained 2 votes in just half an hour. Not allowing people to response to a L-1 situation is something I didn't expect from an experienced player like you, norinel.

[Oman]

Shot gunned?

Must reobserve.

[XReyoX]

I just hope we've got a vig, not a SK or anything.

[Oman]

"shot" is a vig IMO, but it can be either.

[Pink Puppy]

I couldn't believe OMG gained 2 votes in just half an hour. Not allowing people to response to a L-1 situation is something I didn't expect from an experienced player like you, norinel.

/agree

[Norinel]

I felt like everything'd been said already- there'd been a full page since OMG voted himself and quite explicitly asked the town to lynch him, and he'd been the topic of discussion for half the Day anyway.

CKD's setup post explicitly says there are three factions, so there can't be an SK. Vig seems most likely (And is a decent way to balance the cult's recruiting power), though I wouldn't hazard a guess right now as to which kill that was.

[Pink Puppy]

To me it's pretty obv that Blazerunner was the mafia kill because he made several comments/questions about a COP. And there would be no reason for a VIG to kill him. He was suspicious for lurking and suggesting no-lynch (I think he said something like that). But he's also newb, so I don't think he was a great VIG target.

Elias, on the other hand, was a wonderful VIG target. I mean, he turned up town, but I thought he looked bad yesterday, and then he and norinel put the last 2 votes on in a hurry, so I think he was a good VIG target.

Not that it really matters who killed who.

So we have now:

9 players left:

2 mafia
1 cultist
0-1 cult recruits

That leaves 5-6 pro-town roles, 2-4 of which are power roles.

Could be much worse.

I am actually glad Elias is gone because I won't waste my time today trying to lynch him. I am doing a re-read with this new info. I am particularly interested in looking at the GSGold wagon with the knowledge of certain players being town.

[Pink Puppy]

Sorry to rehash this, but I just feel there is something WRONG with this GSGold (now BM) wagon from yesterday. Let me trace the events:

1) GSGold wagon wagon starts after GSGold says:

I'm keeping my vote on OMG for trying to paint Norinel as a bandwagoning scum when in fact it was a semi-random vote.

2) OMG votes GSGold.

3) Reyo agrees with GSG, saying norinel's vote is not scummy:

First of all, I don't think Norinel's vote is scummy, it was a page one vote.

4)

Right now, GSGold and militant look the most suspicious to me. There are a few more who are looking more anti town than pro town to me right now, but the only people close st to being town in my eyes are, surprisingly, you Reyo and OMG.

Out of those two, the vote would likely go to GS, but I'm not placing it just yet.

5) Reyo reverses and finds GSG scummy:

Fos:GS
1) for lurking (4 posts so far)
2) not contributing to the discussion in his first 2 posts then suddenly got onto OMG's wagon after he was prodded.
3) The reason for keeping his vote is weak
4)Not commenting on any other players other than OMG.

6) Post 217 - Elias votes GSGold
7) Post 221 - Foo votes GSGold

8) Reyo attacks FOO for his voting pattern and then votes GSGold, who FOO just voted.

Fos : Friend of Old

Your voting pattern in scummy. Saying no one is using any logic in the game and therefore not adding anything to the discussion is a scummy way to hide. You are making yourself hard to be read. Do you realize that its already past noon and what you've been doing is jumping onto wagons without adding sound reasons?

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Hello toshiro, what do you think about the game so far.

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For the moment,

Vote: GS

since lalaland seems to be a newbie going to drop out so there's not much point if she's going to be replaced soon, like militant.

9) Blazerunner 239 - votes GSGold

10)

GS: speak up, you're on L-2

11) Reyo attacks FOO's behavior again, while he votes the same person as FOO.

OK FOD, I'm not buying your reasons behind your behaviour.

12)This I believe begins the decline of the GSGold wagon:

If you aren't buying it, why aren't you voting? Is the current topic of discussion less important than the fifth vote on a lurker wagon?

My vote is on GS.

I think my words sort of got twisted around... why aren't you voting FoO? GSGold's primarily a lurker who'll get unvoted once he gets replaced; the OMG vote could be something, but is it more interesting than someone we can actually discuss now?

Because GsGold isn't there to discuss, people just move on. Which is sorta weird since the bandwagon was big.

Voted GSGold (now BM, alignment unknown):
OMG (town), Elias (town), Foo (?), Reyo (?), Blazerunner (town)

CONCLUSIONS:
:arrow: Reyo's behavior on this wagon is really shady, from seeming like he would disagree with this wagon, then jumping on it, then attacking FOO for jumping on it.

:arrow: Wagon starts when GSGold defends Norinel. Wagon ends when Norinel defends GSGold.

NOTE: Oman (208, 211) and Dahen (202) stay off GSGold wagon, saying they agree with his read on OMG.

[XReyoX]

What do you mean by I reversed and say GS is scummy? I don't think I've mentioned that he seems protown to me before. When did I say I would disagree with the wagon as well?

I think norinel's vote wasn't scummy. But i don't think omg fosing norinel for his vote was scummy either. I was just pointing out to OMG that norinel's vote was more like a random vote, not a bandwagoning one.

I didn't pay much attention to GS's behaviour until GW mentioned it.

Foo and I were both voting GS but it doesn't mean I can't find him scummy, does it? He was bandwagoning just for the sake of bandwagoning.

:arrow: Wagon starts when GSGold defends Norinel. Wagon ends when Norinel defends GSGold.

Sorry, I don't quite get the meaning of this. Do you mean you think norinel and GS are connected?

[Pink Puppy]

The main reason for voting GSGold was this statement:

I'm keeping my vote on OMG for trying to paint Norinel as a bandwagoning scum when in fact it was a semi-random vote.

If you think Norinel's vote was not scummy, then you agree with GSGold.

So I would think you would NOT jump on his bandwagon.

But you do. You site lurking and

3) The reason for keeping his vote [on omg] is weak

But I thought you agree with GSGold about his vote on OMG? You said you don't find Norinel's vote scummy, and neither does GSGold.

Also, I think you can definitely find someone scummy who is on a bandwagon with you. But I wouldn't expect you to keep pushing the wagon if you have doubts about other players on the wagon. I would expect you to get off the wagon if you have doubts about the other players pushing.

[Pink Puppy]

:arrow: Wagon starts when GSGold defends Norinel. Wagon ends when Norinel defends GSGold.

Sorry, I don't quite get the meaning of this. Do you mean you think norinel and GS are connected?

Maybe. I just think it's a possibility.

[Battle Mage]

"shot" is a vig IMO, but it can be either.

just to confirm, 'shot gun' is the flavour used for vigs. This fits with the kill choice, and the fact we only have 1 anti-town killing faction.

It appears my scumdar has been WAY off, this game. I'm going to look carefully at the behaviour surrounding yesterdays lynch and see if that fares me better.

I dont think our situation is terrible, though it could be better. On the one hand, it is highly likely that the cult recruiter failed last night, which means we still have 3 scum at this point. On the other hand, we could do with hitting a mafia member today, or with our vig tonight.

BM

[Xtoxm]

I think a BM or Oman lynch is the way to go.

[Battle Mage]

I think a BM or Oman lynch is the way to go.

Y?

[Xtoxm]

There has been much discussion about town power roles...Notice also that the scum have a power role. How about some ideas on that? Is it just a GF, what kind of things might we expect from it?

[Xtoxm]

I think a BM or Oman lynch is the way to go.

Y?

Think I said yesterday?

Basically I think you are scum.

[XReyoX]

Pinkpuppy-

To be precise, I was only agreeing with the last half of his statement. Since GS was already voting OMG, I thought he was only trying to add pressure on him to see how he'd respond.

And even if I'd have agreed with GS on that one, i don't think it would have stopped me from suspecting him. Scums don't only do scummy things. Majority but not all of what a scum says are lies.

[Battle Mage]

I think a BM or Oman lynch is the way to go.

Y?

Think I said yesterday?

Basically I think you are scum.

Don't be stupid. Are you just messing around, or are you holding out on us with an actual explanation?