PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

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YARR!

At page 7, I am not a fan of Thesp's vehemence here. Also, it's ceteris paribus, not parabis, Thesp.

Vote: erg0

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Okay, I've read the game. Want erg0 and Skruffs dead, don't trust Thesp.

Thesp should daykill erg0. YARR!

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Stoofs

, does rule 17 apply to possible daykills?

'Cause I don't think that's a logical assumption, Skruffs.

And I really want to test Thesp's ability, because I don't trust him one bit. It also seems unlikely to me that Thesp would be Guardian's buddy.

I am wary of asking thesp to use his attack on erg0, I am getting the impression that the people who are blarghing for erg0 vigging don't care wether thesp or erg0 is town or not. What I mean is, there's not forethought here, there is just people calling for blood.

I strongly believe erg0 is scum and I trust Thesp as far as I can throw a slab of marble. I don't believe your characterisation is accurate and I want you to point out who is guilty of this attitude. Because I'm not seeing it.

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Yeah, no.

Thesp, it's time to unsheath your katana.

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Skruffs, I'm well aware of rule 17, but I see it as dealing with nightkills, not daykills. There's no part of the research I haven't done.

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Gorrad, I deny cicero's existence.

The way I see it, you wouldn't have believed any claim that I made.

That is BS and you know it.

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Gorrad, yes.

UA, you are neglecting the fact that we really want to test Thesp's ability.

Unvote, vote: Thesp

*pressure*

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I think there's a very real chance that you're lying about having a daykill, Thesp. Your roleclaim is otherwise weak and it's not actually beneficial for the town to use that ability if it didn't confim you had it. Frankly, if erg0 wasn't obv scum, there's a good argument for not risking it.

Erg0's scum buddy(ies) are probably hoping he can't day vig, which is probablay the basis of the 'pressuring' on him.

Right. Because we wouldn't just lynch him the next day. That would make too much sense.

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Gorrad, cicero is looking townish now.

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We haven't seen any vampire scum kills though, so, as I'm seeing it, either it's a cult, it's all misdirection by Stoofsy or maybe a non-evil vampire role. Cult still seems overpowered. Third option seems most likely to me.

I personally think Buffy makes even less sense as vanilla now. Vampire Protector would be much more natural a role.

So yeah, nothing much has changed in my view.

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Ibaesha was replaced Night 1, UA.

There are people who believe Thesp should kill according to Town consensus. Right now, the Town consensus is he should kill Erg0, whom Guardian said was scum. Think about that for a second

Erg0 is still scum, kiddo. The rest is irrelevant.

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Speaking of which, could you kill erg0 now, Thesp? It would be mucho appreciated.

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Because you're stalling, Thesp.

I have no intention of letting you call out every lurker before you 'fess up and get lynched or you dayvig erg0.

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I still think the most likely option is that this is just misdirection. This is Stoofs after all.

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That said, I still think thesp is lying about his power. So I'm also not going to chant "thesp! Kill X!" because I believe he can't.

I don't believe he has this ability and if he doesn't have this ability, he is certainly scum, but hey that's no reason to test him right?

I'm not supporting the Plan because I don't trust Thesp with the ability, but because I don't trust Thesp and think it likely he's lying.

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Vote for Thesp, please, rogueben. A vote for Thesp is a vote to kill Erg0 or find 100% confirmed scum.

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Or neutral.

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While sometimes mods will characterize a role as neutral, there is no such thing as a neutral role.

Even though, as you correctly point out, they're not really neutral, I would argue that it is still a useful and practical distinction and will continue to refer to them as neutral.

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Sorry, mike, but I'm rooting for the pirates and I wouldn't want to be dishonest.

YARR!

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Gorrad, we basically got to that point, but Thesp didn't want to vig Erg0, which is why we're switching to Thesp.

We get Thesp to L-2 and tell him to vig Erg0. Basically the same idea, but this way, if he can't vig, we can lynch him straight away.

Primate, vote for Thesp please.

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Why aren't you voting for Thesp, MBL?

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Why aren't you voting for Thesp, MBL?

I am.

FOS: CES

Um. No.

When did I say no?

Well, you didn't kill erg0, so I think you'll have a hard time arguing you said yes.

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Ok, apparently you are voting Thesp and I've told Stoofs to correct it.

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Woo!

*hi-fives all around*

Shame Thesp wasn't lying though. Confirmed scum is always good.

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No. The ability is indicative of alignment here, as far as I'm concerned.

Only if Erg0 is town.

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I will need a little time to regain my bearings now that my suspects are dead.

Gonna read a bit.

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Sure, Rosenberg.

Does it not strike you as odd at all that only after Erg0(Pirate) popped his Buffy claim that Mars also gave us a Vampire-based claim? Cus it should.

Iammars had no reason to claim at this time. There was no reason to tie a possible fake claim to Erg0, especially considering Erg0's inevitable demise.

Iammars claim makes him more likely to be town at this point in the game, definitely. Anyone who says otherwise, should be shot.

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Maybe he fake claimed so people like you would be more willing to defend him.

Or, or, maybe he didn't. Did you consider that possibility?

Use common sense here please.

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Um, Mike, Guardian was a goblin. There's nothing to explain.

Ooba, funny conjecture, but no. It's still Pirates vs. Ninjas.

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Thesp, you're not being very helpful.

It would be appreciated if you actually did something useful for the town.

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Then you're looking at it wrong.

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I could have sworn I'd brought attention to Skruffs (who later turned out to be scum via MBL)

Well, you called him scum a couple of times. Um, yay for you? Heck, I called him scum too. I don't really see this as relevant at all.

helped keep the ball rolling D1

Led a crapwagon Iammars, sure, I'll give you that.

joined the bandwagon against Kaleidoscope

I don't particularly remember this and will withhold comment until re-reading.

drawn strong attacks from another scum (Guardian)

Padding your resumee, much? This is completely irrelevant.

daykilled

scum Erg0 (whom I also supported the lynch of)

How to lie with italics: Claiming credit for something we forced you to do. You played a small role in getting obv scum Erg0 killed.

and brought attention to RogueBen and mikeburnfire (whom I think are also likely scum, and neither had received much substantive attention until then).

Baseless assertions: still not particularly useful.

Meanwhile, you've said almost nothing on anyone except Erg0 and I (with the recent exception of comments on Iammars). My apologies for not being helpful.

Well, sorry of focussing on scumbags. Also, comparing yourself to someone who just replaced(not to mention the other differences between the two of us) is not exactly intellectually honest.

What do you think about mikeburnfire?

I've disagreed with me on quite a few issues, but his play here does not substantially from his play as I remember it in Lights Out 2. I see no reason to suspect him at this point.

Get off your high horse, Thesp, and start justifying your opinions.

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You, however, are still refraining from making substantive moves on anyone today. Who do you think is scum? Beth guesses? Seriously, I feel like you're posting, but just wasting time.

That is why I am doing more reading, as I mentioned previously.

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Um, yeah, me too?

It certainly isn't laziness on my part as regards doing the necessary re-reads.

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Agreed.

Also, mike is town. (Just fyi.)

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What's kind of sad (for me, at least) is that I really have been reading, but I can't seem to find scum. Mike's townness is still useful info, but I don't really have much to go on, currently. And noone is making a case against anyone(apart from the lame "rogueben isn't contributing") either.

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That raises an interesting question. Is it still a strawman if the real position is even dumber?

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I have some trouble buying a Garfunkel-claim. I doubt Stoofer is so creatively impaired he couldn't come up with a better mason pair than Simon and Garfunkel. They're kind of old and forgotten.

Partner confirmation is necessary here.

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Vote: rogueben

I don't buy it.

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I'm fairly sure Thesp asked you to post because he thought you were his partner, Kison.

Rogueben is lying scum.

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I am not Rogueben's mason partner

(In case it wasn't clear.)

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Ooba has the whole not getting lynched thing though which implies non-masonhood.

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How high do you have to be, as mayor, to save Rosso Carne?

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Hi-fives all around! We nabbed ourselves another one.

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I think it's pretty clear now that the vampire finder and communist finder were just red herrings.

I'm not really seeing an advantage to mass claim.

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Why do you have it in for me, Thesp?

I mean, I gave the town mike's alignment yesterday. That's more than Kison or UA has done.

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It was a gut read, Thesp. I have those from time to time.

Gonna look at that comment from Mgm now.

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Looking over the entirety of Mgm's posting, I don't agree with your theory, Thesp. Mgm never votes for or mentions Jordan. More than anything, I think it's just his knowledge speaking. He's looking for ninjas, so he's more likely to think he sees one.

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CES, what do you think of other things and people? Have some guesses for us?

Well, my current point of view is:

Obv town:
CES

Cleared by role:
ooba
Thesp

Tends towards town:
cicero
The Fonz (his play here is markedly different from Smalltown)

Which leaves:
Primate
Lawrencelot
Kison
Ultima Avalon
as scum, but I'm having real troubles differentiating between these four.

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No.

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Do you doubt that I think pirates are awesome?

More importantly:

# Xtoxm (replaced Sir Tornado) - Bruce Lee (Ninja Protector) - Lightsabered Night 2
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# Thok - Gandalf (Goblin Protector) - arm cleanly sliced off and skulled bashed in Night 3

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Why the hell wouldn't I just kill mike if I were scum rather than risk drawing attention to myself, Fonz?

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Oh snap. I totally didn't mean to suggest I was the pirate protector. I was just showing, that if I were scum, I could kill with impunity.

Fonz, the point is that if I had been aware of mike's role as lie detector, I would've had nothing to fear as I could just kill him at night. At that point I would surely comply with his request, no?

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I forgot about Twomz. That is a fair point. But I still think complying with Mike's demand would be a far smarter move for scum.

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Mike would only get one night to investigate me though. I'd describe lying as less risky here.

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I did not, Fonz.

ooba, I think it's a safe assumption he can detect lies. As in, hey mod, is this a lie? I'm fairly certain I've seen it before, but I don't have a clue where.

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More information is not always a good thing, cicero.

We aren't going to win this game without a scum crosskill. If the mass claim gives us any insight into alignment, then that'll probably lead to scum killing the wrong people.

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I did not.

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If you're voting "yay", then I'd like to see you respond to this:

If the mass claim gives us any insight into alignment, then that'll probably lead to scum killing the wrong people.

My vote is a definite "nay".

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I have freed myself from the shackles of disease.

Just in time to see obvscum hammered. (2nd ability he's not revealing? What an amazingly bad fake claim.)

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Actually, The Fonz, the best bet is to try and lynch a Goblin. They still have nk immunity from Ninjas, so that would still leave Ninjas 2 nks away from victory.

A mass claim is bad. Pirate Protector is still going to draw a nightkill, as he is unlynchable.

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Totally didn't see that coming.

Best course of action is probably no-lynch. Let's give our scum plenty of time to kill themselves.

Vote: No Lynch

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No! Liars.

I'm the Doctor, pirate protector.

Samruc protected JordanA24 N1 and MBL N2. Failed to send in Night 3. I've always protected MBL, up until he died.

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Also, Peter Pan? Are you even taking this game seriously?

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If you can travel in time, you can damn well protect people from pirates, cicero.

And the Doctor actually does fight off pirates at some point.

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I know. Peter Pan would never protect anyone from pirates.

It's not that Peter Pan doesn't do that, it's just that he's an extremely annoying brat who is only liked by little kiddies. And I should note that Stoofer is not a little kiddie. Peter Pan doesn't in any way begin to compare to, say, Luke Skywalker.

If you could pick any fictional character, why would you ever pick Peter Pan?

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Except you just wanted to match the Pirate Protector. You had no interest in going for awesome roles.

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Unvote, vote: CES.

Could someone explain in clear words why scum shouldn't be lynched? 'Cuz I didn't really get it.

Because it will lead to the other scumgroup winning.

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Vote: no lynch

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(OK, I messed up a bunch of stuff too, but there was a lot of scum in this game.)

You probably also shouldn't have quoted that doc tell Xtoxm dropped.

Stoofs, I think the game could've used more mislynchables. It was fairly impossible for the town to have a bad lynching record in this game.

It was a great game overall.

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We scumhunted.

Heh, I attacked UA so hard because I was convinced he wouldn't have hinted at a second ability if he were town. I guess CES thought the same.

UA got hammered by Thesp before I resurfaced from my sick bed. I actually wasn't sure about UA and I just cheered his lynch to look as bloodthirsty as I usually do.