PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[UltimaAvalon]

Stalking the hallways
Slicing up rum smelling bums
I now /confirm

[UltimaAvalon]

@Guardian: Stole your schtick? What schtick? I'll show you a schtick. I'll show you a schtick to long you're eyes will be popped off by my schtick's great length.

*an un-zipping sound can be heard*

*UA pulls a set of index cards out from the bag he opened*

First order of business is:

Vote: UltimaAvalon

[UltimaAvalon]

Guardian.

If you're going to be writing haikus

please learn how to do so correctly

[UltimaAvalon]

Unvote, Vote: Gorrad

Are you suggesting that mass-claiming is, in fact,

not

the pro-town thing to do?

[UltimaAvalon]

Guardian, how can you say I'm copying you, when we've only played one game together that I can recall, and there were no haikus by you there, AND you posted before me and that post had no haiku?

How can you say I'm stealing your haikus when a majority of your haikus don't even follow the correct meter?

And last, yes, my avatar portrays a pirate, but my haiku was written from the point-of-view of a ninja. Way to pick up on that, mate. Does the avatar make me a pirate? Does the haiku make me a ninja? Do the two cancel each other out? Do the haikus make you a ninja?

I suggest that in the future, you find real reasons to throw the scum-flag on people rather than MSU

[UltimaAvalon]

UA's list of people who are stupid

1) People who's only argument against setup speculation is Space Monkeys

2) People who use the /confirm post as a scumtell

3) People who complain about peoples' avatars

4) People who's scumday is today

5) Happy scumday Kison

[UltimaAvalon]

We're still trying to guess the setup.

Why are we still busy trying to guess the setup on Day 1 when we should be busy killing scum?

Speaking of which, lets kill Guardian

Unvote
Vote: Guardian

[UltimaAvalon]

[quote="Mars"]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say thats your Role PM's job, or even Stoofer's job. Not Wikipedia's. Granted, I don't know your role PM or what anyone else's says, but thats what makes sense to me.

[UltimaAvalon]

Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say thats your Role PM's job, or even Stoofer's job. Not Wikipedia's. Granted, I don't know your role PM or what anyone else's says, but thats what makes sense to me.

yay for tag fixings

[UltimaAvalon]

Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say thats your Role PM's job, or even Stoofer's job. Not Wikipedia's. Granted, I don't know your role PM or what anyone else's says, but thats what makes sense to me.

yay for tag fixings

What's your point here, Ultima Avalon?

Whether or not his character is a pirate shouldn't be open to interpretation, and, if there's dubt, Wikipedia shouldn't be the one to resolve it.

Also, You still owe me an answer to a question from post 86 or so with respect to why you voted Gorrad.

No one hopped on my bandwagon, so I hopped on the first one that had potential

[UltimaAvalon]

Bold #1: I'm not scumhunting based on roles, because, as it stands, we don't know who the scum are. I'm simply saying it shouldn't be that difficult for Mars to determine whether or not he is a pirate based on his role pm, regardless of his role PM's flavor.

Bold #2: Ya. So? Early Day 1 in bandwagon time

[UltimaAvalon]

Unvote
Vote: cicero

Reason #1

mass-claiming is indeed NOT the pro-town thing to do.

Reason #2

In the random voting stage, you voted for yourself. That could be seen as scum

IS THIS MORE TO YOUR LIKING, GOOD SIR???

[UltimaAvalon]

I don't care how I "look" to you, and I certainly wont be told how to play the game by you.

Thank you for your opinion, sir.

[UltimaAvalon]

I also still don't remotely understand the objection to what I had to say about mass-claim.

Regardless of the time of day or the circumstances surrounding it, massclaims are pro-town. Period.

The central point

Is the apex

which

good question

you seem to be

town

trying to derail

You shouldn't do that

is me

cicero

noting

small word

opportunistic

big word

bandwagoning without reason

Day 1

Followed by avoidance

What do you have to hide?

of

rhymes with dove

answering questions

questions end with question marks

[UltimaAvalon]

blah blah block #2: Both

Blah Blah Block #3: Or who takes early Day 1 seriously

[UltimaAvalon]

Blah Blah Block #3: Or who takes early Day 1 seriously

Townies.

Fail. If townies took the entire game seriously, then the random stage wouldn't exist at all ever.

In fact, it could be argued that it is, in fact, scum, who try and take the entire game seriously, as they over-analyze and nit-pick over the very minor of things, in hopes to find scummy behavoir where it, in fact, doesn't exist.

[UltimaAvalon]

Blah Blah Block #3: Or who takes early Day 1 seriously

Townies.

Fail. If townies took the entire game seriously, then the random stage wouldn't exist at all ever.

In fact, it could be argued that it is, in fact, scum, who try and take the entire game seriously, as they over-analyze and nit-pick over the very minor of things, in hopes to find scummy behavoir where it, in fact, doesn't exist.

Not at all. I take the random stage very seriously in every game.

So does everyone else.

The first accusation always comes out of it. So do you. It's why you have a self-vote tradition. You have a meta excuse for your choice. It's the same as random dice rolling.

Sorry, I hate day ones enough without letting someone's first three votes have "get out of jail free" cards attached to them. That just prolongs the day and lets scum get away with anything they like.

No

[UltimaAvalon]

Heh. This game just keeps getting better and better.

Welcome back Luke.

Kill bad guys.

[UltimaAvalon]

I agree with hasdgcow 100%. You should've at least let the man make some sort of claim or...something

[UltimaAvalon]

Note to everyone: Just because you

can

do cool things doesn't mean you

should

do cool things.

Here, I disagree. If I had daykill powers, I'd use it day 1. What if I got Nightkilled Night 1 and never got to use it? I'd be seriously pissed off. And when will I get awesome daykill powers ever again?

[UltimaAvalon]

#1 Good vig...just...canhazclaimz?

#2 No, cus I don't think he's public enemy #2

of course...who am I to argue with the vig?

[UltimaAvalon]

If it wasn't a good idea, you wouldn't keep referring to it as "cool"

[UltimaAvalon]

I can think of two games I got killed N1, but they're both still ongoing

[UltimaAvalon]

Happy birthday Erg0

I've been scum in a few multiple scum games in Scumchat, and basically what we did was we used the Day to kill those we thought were scum and Night to kill those we thought were Town. It gave Town a boosted confidence at their ability to hunt scum, when actually they were losing the whole time. It was fun.

On the subject of Massclaims, I do believe they are good for Town, and I have yet to see a situation where it was, indeed, not beneficial to Town. The reason I dropped the issue, and stopped answering questions, is I don't understand theory and such, and I can't really answer why I believe massclaims are good. I simply do. The other reason I dropped the issue, is because I don't want to see a massclaim in this game (at least, not this early), as I believe it could destroy the game, not necessarily in a Town loss, but it would ruin the air of mystery surrounding it as a Stoofer game, and quite possibly make it less fun.

[UltimaAvalon]

Umm...
Hmm.
If you really think Stoofer would make a game that would be breakable by mass claiming, I'm sorry for you.

I appreciate the thought, but not mass claiming because it would ruin the mystery is very short sighted. Or.. do you think that the scum would claim pirates nad ninjas and thus be exposed immediately? Explain your reasoning there.

I meant it destroys games in general. Granted, the only experience I have of Stoofer games is Space Monkeys, which, if I recall correctly, was solved through mass claim, and a bunch of early morning Shirt games in Scumchat, which is basically a test to see who can fake claim the best.

[UltimaAvalon]

3/5 isnt that bad....

Are we bandwagooning KScope for being Scopey? Cus thats a fun bandwagon right there

[UltimaAvalon]

unvote

[UltimaAvalon]

Vote: Guardian

Whats funny is you believe the things you type.

You also still don't know how to write haikus

[UltimaAvalon]

Vote: Guardian

Whats funny is you believe the things you type.

and yet you are still voting for me?

you posit I believe the things I type (true) and still vote me? Why? How can you possibly justify this?

I'm saying the things you type are pretty un-fucking-believable

[UltimaAvalon]

Also, you should comprehend things better

[UltimaAvalon]

YAR!

I be confirming captain!

This post is also
highly suspect, considering
the day scene info.

No one has responded in any meaningful way to my points about UA's pirate avatar, or Iammars's confirming with pirate flavor. I believe the latter is a stronger point, and merits a change of vote at this juncture.

Alluding to a role-type on your first post can out you in any flavored game

And then, quite suddenly, you decided that

I think Iammars alignment is fairly unknown

And we never heard about it again....
....
...
....
..
Until you decide we should kill a lurker, and we get:

I definitely think Iammars is the best shot at being scum

And where does this lead right back to?

You've failed to establish that Mars' confirmation "Yar" is game-relevant. That's going to be a pretty tough one to sell.

How could it possibly be conceived to be not game relevant?

This game is *called* PIRATES v ninjas. Confirming AS_A_PIRATE is not game relevant???

???????

You know....maybe you're right. There is no case against you. In fact, your case against Mars is quite sound.

Of course, if that's true, then I could make a case about your constant use of (poorly made) haikus makes you a Ninja.

Yes. Thats a good case. About as good as yours anyway

[UltimaAvalon]

If I recall correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong because I have trouble keeping this game straight, you said that wikipedia couldn't help you decide if your role was pirate/ninja/whatever. It seems to me that something like that would be pretty obvious. Why don't you tell me what your flavor is so I can look it up, if it's so difficult for you to define yourself?

Why are you fishing for Iammars' flavor?

Thats not fishing. Fishing implies subtlety. That had the subtlety of a brick being thrown into a lake on a calm, quiet day.

[UltimaAvalon]

It's a confirmation post - the game proper hasn't even started yet. That's like arguing that what someone said in the signup thread is game-relevant (I am aware that this has already happened).

In the signup thread, we haven't gotten our roles yet.

IN the confirmation thread, we HAD gotten our roles, and stoofer said to treat it as part of night 1. Clearly you see the difference, nO????

Let's assume for a moment that it is game relevant: how could you possibly know at the very first post in the game whether pirates or ninjas are scum without being scum yourself?

Stoofer's death scene had a pirate kill (obviously) and what appeared to be a ninja kill. It was completely obvious pirates were scum. Mars confirmed like a pirate.

Why confirm like scum, unless you are scum trying to do something tricky? (or joking, apparently :\)

Right, because we all confirmed AFTER Stoofer gave us the death scene.

Yup. No bullshit here.

[UltimaAvalon]

There was also a player who confirmed with a haiku. The death scene revealed a death by ninja. Why are you not attacking him for the exact same thing?

[UltimaAvalon]

And you didnt answer the question

[UltimaAvalon]

*blink*


the fuck?

[UltimaAvalon]

Vote: Guardian

Whats funny is you believe the things you type.

I notice Guardian himself has already picked up on this, but if you believe him to be sincere, then why are you voting him for it?

You missed the point of that post entirely. I've already stated what I meant by it. Guardian's explosion when asked a simple question didn't help either.

There is no lynch today unless it is Guardian's lynch. Anyone who reads pages 32 and 33 and thinks otherwise are dumb or scum. (See what I did thar?)

[UltimaAvalon]

Mars. We get it. You don't know. If you're not going to bare your name to us so we may interpret it for you, then kindly drop the subject.

[UltimaAvalon]

It's a confirmation post - the game proper hasn't even started yet. That's like arguing that what someone said in the signup thread is game-relevant (I am aware that this has already happened).

In the signup thread, we haven't gotten our roles yet.

IN the confirmation thread, we HAD gotten our roles, and stoofer said to treat it as part of night 1. Clearly you see the difference, nO????

Let's assume for a moment that it is game relevant: how could you possibly know at the very first post in the game whether pirates or ninjas are scum without being scum yourself?

Stoofer's death scene had a pirate kill (obviously) and what appeared to be a ninja kill. It was completely obvious pirates were scum. Mars confirmed like a pirate.

Why confirm like scum, unless you are scum trying to do something tricky? (or joking, apparently :\)

Right, because we all confirmed AFTER Stoofer gave us the death scene.

Yup. No bullshit here.

ROFL you are an ibecile.

I called Iammars scummy after the death scene.

at that point in time, I had the information of his confirming like a pirate, and the death scene, implying pirates = scum

. With that information, I put 1 + 1 = 2, and voted Mars.

holy shit, this is amusing, and sad.

There was also a player who confirmed with a haiku. The death scene revealed a death by ninja. Why are you not attacking him for the exact same thing?

Still didn't answer the question

[UltimaAvalon]

And, at that time in the game, I thouight you were copying me pre-game announcement that I'd use haikus. So I didn't aprticularly think that it had anything to do with game-flavor, even if I associated haiku with ninja.

See? Wasn't that easier than throwing a hissy-fit? My vote stays on you for calling our logic crap, when your own logic is actually given in the dictionary when looking up the phrase. Temper tantrum didn't exactly help.

FOS: Thesp

There's a thing called appealing to emotion. It's a last resort scum tactic thats used when he is unable to come up with any more lies. Which is exactly what happened.

[UltimaAvalon]

Are we going to be able to stick with a single bandwagon by Monday?

unvote

Wagons with UA's Stamp of Approval:
Guardian
Rosso
Thesp

Wagons with UA's Stamp of Frowny Face:
Skruffs
Scope
All the others

[UltimaAvalon]

Translation: If I were making this up, I'd have made it up better.

But, I am not making it up, my role is not Aragorn, or some other LOTR character. It is Sam. And I am a tracker. And that is that.

If you are scum, you could have been given Sam as a safe name to work with, and then tried to fit a role to that name. And I know you have a tendency when run up as scum early game to claim an investigative role, and in this game from what we've seen so far tracker would be a safer claim for you than any sort of cop.

Where does it say Scum got safe claims?

[UltimaAvalon]

Is it custom to tell the town whether or not safe claims are given? The only game I can recall playing where scum got them, we were told such.

[UltimaAvalon]

unvote
Vote: Rosso

I wont be available to change my vote if this wagon veers onto someone else like its been doing all weekend.

[UltimaAvalon]

Guardian, why are you disappointed about the death of:

Bruce Lee (Ninja Protector)

?

Players

(dead):

1. DrippingGoofball - Jack Aubrey (Pirate Finder) - forced to walk the plank Night 1
   
2. Fritzler - Victor Frankenstein (Resurrector) - died of exhaustion Day 1
   
3. hasdgfas - Stan Laurel (Mason) - Cutlassed Night 2
   
4. Xtoxm (replaced Sir Tornado) - Bruce Lee (Ninja Protector) - Lightsabered Night 2

NOTE: In the above list, pro-town roles appear in black text; anti-town roles appear in coloured text.

Because he was Town

[UltimaAvalon]

@Skruffs: Bruce Lee is

NOT

a Ninja. Never has been, never will be.

That being said, I dont see what the big deal about a claim of Sam, in the context of secondary/main characters, in the sense that, compared to other characters, he isn't really

that

secondary. Tom Bombadil, Treebeard, Wormtongue would be more suspect, but Sam played a larger part than most characters, especially in Return of the King.

Jedi != Ninja.

All in all, I believe this game is focused n pairings. There's the Pirate and Ninja, yes, but I wouldnt be too surprised to see a Chuck Norris or Jet Li to complement Bruce Lee, Obi-Wan or maybe Darth Vader to match Luke, and Frodo for Sam

As it stands, though, I think I'm going to back off of Guardian, for now. Re-reading, I think I'm more in a mindset of I want Guardian to be scum, more than I think he is.

[UltimaAvalon]

EH.. I mixed 'martial artist' with 'ninja'...
and if chuck norris is not in this game, I will be VERY disappointed...

UA: You're being amazingly unhelpful.. why are you shutting down that line of thought - you seem to think it's more likely guardian really is a power role than that he isn't, and yet you insist that you are probably 'trying' to make him llook like scum... which is it.. .are you suspicious of him or are you confident in him...

Its not so much as "shutting down the line of thought" as "backing off", because, I do the whle "[pursuing players because I want them to be scummy as opposed to them actually being scummy" a lot, and I'm usually very wrong when I do that. It's all in the sense of me trying to make myself a better Mafia player.

In other news, there are two nautical vehicles in this game. The Pirate Ship, and the Win Boat. I dont know anything about the Pirate Ship, but as far as the Win Boat is concerned, I am quite sure that Twomz is the captain. Erg0 is his first mate.

Vote: Guardian

[UltimaAvalon]

Might be Goblin SK, which would make Bilbo the equivalent of an FBI Agent. Also fits the flavor, as I believe the Goblins in The Hobbit used blunt weapons. Could be wrong, I haven't read it in 6-8 years.

[UltimaAvalon]

There is at least one Townie in this game. The Townie Role PM looks like this:

[Character Name] (Townie)

You are a good guy and win when all the bad guys are dead.

Congratulations Erg0. We know from the first page that there is at least one vanilla townie in the game, and we now know from your comment that you aren't one of them. If you're not scum, please pull your head out of your ass and stop giving scum information it's better they lack.

It says Townie. Not Vanilla Townie.

[UltimaAvalon]

I think this day is going too fast...and odds are today and tomorrow we won't have scum exploding all their juicy scum secrets when they're lynched....

That being said, I'm waiting for Thesp's damning evidence against Skruffs before I do anything though.

[UltimaAvalon]

Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.

Uh....k? Three scum groups, and a cult...makes perfect sense...

I don't think Thesp's dayvig, seeing as its day ending, should be town directed. Its essentially the same thing as a lynch, except if we mislynch, we only lose one town (as opposed to Thesp's mis-vig making 2 dead townies)
If Thesp really has Dayvigging powers, he should kill whoever the hell he wants to, whether its Erg0, or Skruffs, or Mars, or UA, or whoever.

Does this mean Erg0 should live? Not at all.

Vote: Erg0

[UltimaAvalon]

Whats the big deal about testing? As far as I'm concerned, the only one's who should care if he really has dayvig powers, (and I only feel this way because of the multiple scumgroup scenario) are the scum. Whether he's lying or not, and regardless of his alignment, he now has at least two scum groups now considering him for the nightkill, simply because of the threat of the dayvig.

I'll also always oppose any sort of town-led consensus that isn't the lynch. I'm of the opinion that a single person will always make a better decision than any group of people, especially when that group of people consists of people who are opposing you.

[UltimaAvalon]

@Mars. I said at least 2 groups. Also, Ninja SK is still scum.

@Fonz: regardless of how many hits he's had, if he's scum, he's going to die sooner or later. Also, the whole idea behind "testing" still relies on the whole idea of Town Consensus, and I'm much too firmly rooted to the idea that all of us is as dumb as none of us. We'll find out whether or not he's lying after he vigs or after he dies, which either is now likely to happen.

[UltimaAvalon]

2 things.

There are people who believe Thesp should kill according to Town consensus. Right now, the Town consensus is he should kill Erg0, whom Guardian said was scum. Think about that for a second

I dont believe Mars's claim at all. Here's why

Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.

Van Helsing is a Dutch doctor with a wide range of interests and accomplishments, partly attested by the string of letters that follows his name: "M.D., D.Ph.[sic], D.Litt., etc., etc." The character is best known as a vampire hunter, and the arch-enemy of Count Dracula.

uh.....ya

[UltimaAvalon]

damn...5 posts in the time it took me to make that? I hate you all

[UltimaAvalon]

ibaesha isnt in this game Mars.

Try again

[UltimaAvalon]

...you know....you'd think the first page player list woulda reflected such.....*glares at Stoofer*

[UltimaAvalon]

Ibaesha was replaced Night 1, UA.

There are people who believe Thesp should kill according to Town consensus. Right now, the Town consensus is he should kill Erg0, whom Guardian said was scum. Think about that for a second

Erg0 is still scum, kiddo. The rest is irrelevant.

That was an argument against town-driven vigs, not Erg0 scumminess

[UltimaAvalon]

What's up with the musketballs kill? That doesn't seem to be pirate-related. Do we have a British Invaders scumgroup as well?

I don't think it's too far of a stretch. Musketballs are essentially itty bitty canonballs that were used as ammunition in muskets and pistols before the time of the bullet. Better than assuming there's

another

scum group out there. (Vampires and Commies and Brits. Oh my!)

[UltimaAvalon]

:eng101:

[UltimaAvalon]

think I'm going to drop my case against Iammars for now. Although his play has been suspicious, with the Communist hunter dead it gives more credibility to Iammars's claim.

No it doesn't. Does it not strike you as odd at all that only after Erg0(Pirate) popped his Buffy claim that Mars also gave us a Vampire-based claim? Cus it should.

Also, I'm going to go as far as to say that there aren't really any Communists in this game. I mean...it

is

McCarthy after all...

[UltimaAvalon]

Most of all, I dislike anyone who said we shouldn't have tested Thesp's claim. A couple of them are dead, but...

I don't think Thesp's dayvig, seeing as its day ending, should be town directed. Its essentially the same thing as a lynch, except if we mislynch, we only lose one town (as opposed to Thesp's mis-vig making 2 dead townies)

...he's not!

Vote : UltimateAvalon

Uh...sorry Kison, but I missed the part where that made sense

Also, and this is just for the sake of m,y own curiosity, since I figure there's got to be some reason you don't want Thesp to be town-aligned, have you ever seen a scum-aligned Dayvig before? Cus...I haven't

[UltimaAvalon]

I think my favorite part about Thesp's above post is the realization that he's the newest Paragon of Mafia Hunters

Maybe this year an Asshat will get it...

We've got a week, I think I'll sit back and wait for people to remember that it was, in fact, Mars who needed to die today.

[UltimaAvalon]

Seriously though,

Vote: Rogueben

. I approve of this bandwagon.

Thats L-2. Claim please ...

We've got a week, I think I'll sit back and wait for people to remember that it was, in fact, Mars who needed to die today.

Why so?

PS : Happy birthday Mr.Stoofer !!

1. He already has. Please pay attention

2. I dont buy his claim. It was too conveniently placed after Erg0, and it doesn't add up to his "durr I dont know if I'm pirate or not" bit

[UltimaAvalon]

OH wait....I'm an idiot. Please scratch point number 1

[UltimaAvalon]

I still hold grudges against UA for not supporting the Thesp testage.

I didn't mind testing Thesp, it was the manner in which we tested it that I opposed.

I think this is worth confirming at this point and outing his partner. What do you all think?

Not really. I don't even find him as scummy as you guys seem to. Getting him to claim is one thing, outing his Mason Partner just seems a bit too aggressive

[UltimaAvalon]

I aint no mason

[UltimaAvalon]

Brawl.

I been down with massclaim since Day 1. That being said, I dont see what CES is trying to get at with

If the mass claim gives us any insight into alignment, then that'll probably lead to scum killing the wrong people.

With 3 dead finders, 2 dead and one obsolete protector, a dead vig, and a claimed dayvig, I'm not sure what else is left that we need to protect.

Also, the difference between cicero and everyone else who has UA in some sort of scum list is cicero actually has a reason.

[UltimaAvalon]

Brawl.

I been down with massclaim since Day 1. That being said, I dont see what CES is trying to get at with

If the mass claim gives us any insight into alignment, then that'll probably lead to scum killing the wrong people.

With 3 dead finders, 2 dead and one obsolete protector, a dead vig, and a claimed dayvig, I'm not sure what else is left that we need to protect.

We're already going to lose - we're pretty far behind, and there's no way we can lynch all the scum before they kill us. Why would we give them confirmed innocents to think of as better targets? I mean, if I were scum, I'd be trying to cross-kill the other team because they'll be the competition and not the town, but I don't think the scum are all that smart.

Really? If I were scum, I'd be trying to use the lynch to kill opposing scum, while using the nightkill to kill Townies. I think they are that smart, because, surprise, thats exactly whats been going on.

Also, the difference between cicero and everyone else who has UA in some sort of scum list is cicero actually has a reason.

This statement would be more correct if you'd said "the difference between cicero and everyone else who has UA in some sort of scum list is cicero actually has

provided

a reason".

I like UA as scum even more now.

You argue semantics and continue to prove my point. Thanks

[UltimaAvalon]

your posts didn't look very protown throughout D1 and later, so you shouldn't be surprised that you're in anyone's scumlist.

They're still backing me into a corner without giving me a means to defend myself.

For the record, I'm taking the same stance I've taken since Day 1. I'm down for massclaim, but I wont push for it.

I still can't wrap my ahead around the logic that Scum

want

to nightkill other scum. It'll take twice as long for them to make a kill, and it gives Town the chance to recuperate and retaliate.

[UltimaAvalon]

I dont like the way this is going, and its mostly my fault

I tried to drastically change my play style for the sake of this game, from my normal, chaotic, Asshat playstyle to a more passive, agreeable, hopefully more Town friendly style. Half of this is because I got sick or arguing with people about stupid things Day 1, and half because of my role. Upon asking someone who's opinion I respect regarding the best way to play as a person with my role, the sage advice I received was "Be as Pro-Town as possible." So I tried giving my opinions, whether or not they went with the general Town consensus or not. If I realized I had no idea what I was talking about, I quickly shut up. If I began pinging any scumdars, I quickly shut up. I also avoided yelling at people for no reason, except in the case of Guardian. Back when there were still 15-20 players, it was working fine, but now everything is sorta collapsing around me

Course, with Guardian being the only person who I thought was scum and actually was isn't helping me either.

I am Darth Vader, and the Dark Side grants me two passive abilities. First is, I'm a Miler, and every investigator will find me to be their bad guy. The second I will carry with me to the grave, because I'm still hoping for the chance for it to go off.

In retrospect, I see I should've claimed a lot sooner, but I haven't really been under any amount of pressure all game, and I don't like claiming without reason.

Who's scum?

Kison is still voting me, I think, because he believes I was against the Thesp testage, when I already stated it was the method of testing that I disagreed with

The Fonz has been sliding by, agreeing with people, and promising rereads

Lawrencelot - gut, mostly based on him believing Mars, then voting Mars 3 posts later, then unvoting him soon after...

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Long post is long. At least its easier to read than Primate's though.

Brawl.

I been down with massclaim since Day 1. That being said, I dont see what CES is trying to get at with

If the mass claim gives us any insight into alignment, then that'll probably lead to scum killing the wrong people.

With 3 dead finders, 2 dead and one obsolete protector, a dead vig, and a claimed dayvig, I'm not sure what else is left that we need to protect.

Well, I'm not sure either. But that doesn't mean

there definitely aren't

any town roles that still need to be hidden.

Also, does anyone else see 'I've been down since day one, but not pushing it' as scummy equivocation? As in, if you think it's pro-town, well, I'm down for it so I've got nothing to hide, but if you think it'll hurt the town, well, I'm not pushing it so don't blame me.

If you'd like to interpret it that way, then go ahead. You're wrong though. Its more of a "I don't care whether we do it or not, but I'll never oppose it" thing though.

t;]
I like UA as scum even more now.

You argue semantics and continue to prove my point. Thanks

There's a substantive difference here. You're trying to make out that there

is

no reason for those attacking you. Thesp is suggesting there is, but some people just aren't vocalizing it.

Which is another way of saying "Don't worry. We have reasons, and by the time we're pressed for them, we'll find out what they are, or even make them up if need be, but we'll go ahead and vote you anyway"

your posts didn't look very protown throughout D1 and later, so you shouldn't be surprised that you're in anyone's scumlist.

They're still backing me into a corner without giving me a means to defend myself.

How do you not have a means to defend yourself? You've been playing in a certain way; justify your actions. This just sounds like scummy whining.

But they don't say what actions are scummy. If no one says why UA is scummy, then there's nothing I can really do except sit here twiddling my thumbs.

I dont like the way this is going, and its mostly my fault

I tried to drastically change my play style for the sake of this game, from my normal, chaotic, Asshat playstyle to a more passive, agreeable, hopefully more Town friendly style.

Anyone claiming to have deliberately changed their playstyle, every single time I've encountered it in the past, is scum doing so to avoid lynch. If your normal style is, in your opinion, less 'town-friendly' than this style, why don't you play like this all the time?

Welcome to the Not Past. Also, my normal playstyle isnt appropriate for someone who will turn up scum when investigated.

If I realized I had no idea what I was talking about, I quickly shut up.

If I began pinging any scumdars, I quickly shut up.

'I tried not to do anything that was lead to my lynch.' Also, this seems to directly contradictt your previous assertion that you'd say what you thought, regardless of what other people thought of it.

Not really. Look at the difference between me defending the Massclaim Day 1 argument, and me defending the "Let Thesp Vig Whoever He Wants To Vig" Argument. In regards to the massclaim Day 1, I'm merely an advocate of the Church of Pie, in that I believe in his teachings, but I dont know the logic behind them, and cant really argue and debate about them. On the Thesp Vig issue, I really believed that it should've been up to Thesp who to kill when prooving his claim rather than it being town-led, as it was my opinion and not Pie's.

I am Darth Vader, and the Dark Side grants me two passive abilities. First is, I'm a Miler, and every investigator will find me to be their bad guy. The second I will carry with me to the grave, because I'm still hoping for the chance for it to go off.

WHAT! No f-ing way. You claim to have been down since day one, whilst in possession of a seriously scummy sounding role, and a power that becomes useless if it is known? Now such powers exist. But I find it inconceivable that you'd support a massclaim whilst in possession of one.

Sure I would. Hiding my role was my biggest blunder this game. Had I claimed much sooner, or even had a massclaim occured, it could've been tested. We could've even put those red herring roles to use (Claus and Mars).

In retrospect, I see I should've claimed a lot sooner, but I haven't really been under any amount of pressure all game, and I don't like claiming without reason.

You haven't fullclaimed. Now you should have claimed sooner?

I wouldn' have claimed my 2nd ability had I claimed earlier anyway, so meh.

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1. Had I claimed sooner, it could have been tested.
2. I wouldn't have claimed it if I'd claimed earlier.

The above are contradictory. You're at L-1, and Thesp, who isn't currently voting you, will if you don't reveal your second ability. Do it.

Context is awesome.

Miller-ness coulda been tested.

I'm not going to claim my second ability because, as it stands, it can only harm Scum. Were I to claim it, they'd know how to avoid it, and it'll never be used

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Yes, Fonz, I've already stated, twice now, that I know what I'm doing/have done/shoulda done in regards to my role. Would you like to add something constructive or are you going to continue standing around twisting my words and stating what I already know/have said?

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The quoted is not the case

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except...I'm not scum

please use the remainder of twilight constructively

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It doesn't do them any good anymore, since I'm lynched.

Were I to ever be night killed, by scum or vig, they would die with me.

cus Vader is the baddest ass to ever walk the galaxy, of course.

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Only an incentive if claimed. I never intended to claim it. Fonz, please kill yourself tonight

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Cus I didnt know until Day 4 or something that the play for Millers is to claim Day 1

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Why the hell would Pirates be Town? They are very Un-Townlike

Mars is definitely the boner of this game....

followed by UA