Kingmaker II-Game Over

[pablito]

Since no one's really voting much anymore, I'll do some voting for them.

vote: Ameliaslay, Nightson

[Nightson]

Since no one's really voting much anymore, I'll do some voting for them.

vote: Ameliaslay, Nightson

Let's try and get at least some talking, want to explain your votes pablito?

[pablito]

No. Because it would bring more discussion and more fun if people can try to speculate why I'm doing it.

[Nightson]

No. Because it would bring more discussion and more fun if people can try to speculate why I'm doing it.

That seems unlikely.

:tumbleweed:

[pablito]

Well I'll explain my vote on you Nightson, if it's going to give you more to discuss.


Both you and vikingfan kinda "grandfathered" your vote son me. Vikingfan's initial vote was random and he never really explained why he kept the vote on - also because it was his only vote. He just kinda took it for granted. And you unvoted all and then revoted me again. Just felt awkward.

[Glork]

I need to re-read this game. Life's been a little too crazy for my liking. Sorry, everyone.

[MrBuddyLee]

Scum are 67% more likely to apologize for their inactivity.

[BrianMcQueso]

Vote Count!

*King petroleumjelly* (1): Bird1111, Phoebus

Ameliaslay (1): Phoebus
bird1111 (5*):
cardb0ardb0x (6): bird1111, Phoebus
ChannelDelibird (2): cardb0ardb0x, Mert
CrashTextDummie (2): pablito, bird1111
Dead Rikimaru (1):
Fritzler (0): CrashTextDummie
Glork (2): pablito, Phoebus, Rosso Carne
Machiavellian-Mafia (0): pablito
Mastermind of Sin (1):
Mert (3): cardb0ardb0x, bird1111, Phoebus
MrBuddyLee (4): cardb0ardb0x, Glork, Rosso Carne
Nightson (2): pablito, Phoebus
pablito (6): MrBuddyLee, Mert, UberTimmy, ChannelDelibird, Ameliaslay, Nightson
Phoebus (8*): MrBuddyLee, cardb0ardb0x, pablito, Mert
PookyTheMagicalBear (0): Glork
Rosso Carne (2): petroleumjelly
spectrumvoid (1): cardb0ardb0x, Phoebus
Thok (0): pablito, bird1111, Vaughn, Dead Rikimaru, Nightson
Twomz (0): Yosarian2, cardb0ardb0x, CrashTextDummie, Phoebus
UberTimmy (1): ChannelDelibird, MrBuddyLee, spectrumvoid
Vaughn (1):
Yosarian2 (1): Mastermind of Sin

Retractable deadline set for Sunday, October 8th.

Sooo sloooow....

[Glork]

Scum are 67% more likely to apologize for their inactivity.

82% of all statistics are made up.

[Nightson]

Well I'll explain my vote on you Nightson, if it's going to give you more to discuss.


Both you and vikingfan kinda "grandfathered" your vote son me. Vikingfan's initial vote was random and he never really explained why he kept the vote on - also because it was his only vote. He just kinda took it for granted. And you unvoted all and then revoted me again. Just felt awkward.

That's weird, thought I responded to this.

Anyway, I unvoted because I don't really care what vikingfan's reasons for voting you were. My vote for you was for the reasons given in the post where I voted for you. I can't comment on what vikingfan did cause I'm not him.

[petroleumjelly]

Argh, deadlines! We dang well better have that retracted, I am

so

not ready for an execution.

Regardless, I suppose it falls on me to kick this game up a notch, so despite the fact that I did not want to do this, I will place four people on the LoE (four for the sake of variety). This

does not

mean you should hold back on other players, but we might as well get opinions on these players from everybody.

Add to the List of Execution: Bird1111, Phoebus, ChannelDelibird, Pablito

.

I am currently already suspicions of Bird1111 and Phoebus, and my votes pretty much explain that. ChannelDelibird seems to have snuck right under my radar until I isolated his posts. I would like to hear his reasoning for keeping his vote on cb0x, and I also did not agree with the way he went about voting for Mert, and he seems to have since disappeared. Although I am currently thinking Pablito is town, he has somehow accumulated eight votes, so I might as well force you people to talk about him in more detail (I am of the opinion that suspicion of him will drop as a result of me putting him on the list). I think these four should give at least some variety of opinions.

Also,

mod

, can we prods on players who have not posted in over a week? Specifically:

UberTimmy (last post Sep. 17)
PookytheMagicalBear (last post Sep. 18)
Bird1111 (last post Sep. 19)
CrashTextDummie (last post Sep. 19)
AmeliaSlay (last post Sep. 20)
Vaughn (last post Sep. 21)
ChannelDelibird (last post Sep. 23)
Machiavellian-Mafia (last post Sep. 24)

MOD SAYS: Prods sent.

It's really no wonder this game has been stalling with all the recent inactivity.

[pablito]

Decent LoE. And PJ, I only have 6 votes, but that's still a tie for second most votes, so your point is still justified.

[CrashTextDummie]

I'm here. I'll reread and come back to you with thoughts within the next 12 hours or so.

[ChannelDelibird]

Apologies for falling behind again. Will post my thoughts within the hour.

[ChannelDelibird]

PJ, you expressed concern over my votes on Cbox and Mert, so here’s my explanations for those:

It’s possible that both pablito and glork are scum. The idea is that pablito is the over-eager mafia, trying to support his pal. Glork knows how to play, and therefore doesn’t want the obvious attention and association, whether he is scum or not.

This is the post that made me vote for Cbox. He presents a theory of both pablito and Glork being scum but only votes for Pablito, which is double standards and possibly trying to protect Glork.

He then says:

The reason I'm not voting for Glork at this point is that the only situations suggested to me by their actions are that either both of them are townies, pablito is scum and glork is townie, or both are scum. Is it all right if I just kind of FOS Glork at this point? Actually, I'll Vote: Glork for presure, and then take it off

And now, after being called out on it, ends up voting Glork really flimsily. It just looks like he’s trying to fall into line with everyone else (blending in, as I’m sure you know, helps scum).

My reasons for the Mert vote were not so severe but it was something that rubbed me up the wrong way.

So we have MoS saying he won't vote, but his suspicions will be laid out in full and we should take note of his words rather than his voting pattern. Then, on the other hand, we have Phoebus saying he plays by gut and may not bother making cases against people, leaving only his votes to indicate his thoughts.

That's quite a tag-team.

Here, albeit subtly, I felt he was linking MoS and Phoebus together. I don’t place such value on it as I do on the Cbox vote, and if this was a regular mafia game I would have just Minor FoS’ed him instead.

Hope that clears up the issues you had, and I’ll cover my thoughts on what’s happened since my last post ASAP.

[Fritzler]

hmmm....can we kill crash text dummie now?

[Yosarian2]

Ok, some quick thoughts on the people on the king's list of exectuion.

Pablito: His constant defense/buddying up to Glork is a minor scum tell, and he hasn't done much else.

Bird111: all he's done is vote Gork and Pablito for no good reason. Clearly :not helpfull: at best.

Phobus: I really can't get a good read on him at the moment. His shameless bandwagoning dosn't look good, but I'm not sure if it's a scumtell at this point. More suspicious is his refusal to contribute in any real way, with helpful comments like "still nothing to add at this point".

CDB: Don't really see anything too suspicious about him at this point.

[Ameliaslay]

I'm sorry guys... esp. since I'm in other games w/ some of you and it's bad play across the board... Life is crazy at the moment.
I read posts from the time I last posted up until now, and since I have a little time, I'm trying to do a full re-read-- but I'll comment on what's caught my eye.

No, I won't reveal what I was thinking when I said I'll defend Glork to the bone. Ask me some other day.

No. Because it would bring more discussion and more fun if people can try to speculate why I'm doing it.

I was first bothered by the fact that he refuses to explain on either count, then by the fact that he switches stances almost immediately a post later, and explains his vote on Nightson.

This rubbed me the wrong way, tiger. If we have an impressionable Kingmaker, they'll likely heed your will. Hypothetically, scum can easily kill the one of those two that's town, leaving us with a scum king tomorrow.

Interesting connotation there…

I realize that, and there are people I wouldn't vote for needing a replacement. But given the tone of some of the discussions we have (especially the references/interest in Kingmaker 1), vikingfan asking for a replacement in this game is worth keeping an eye on.

Two different situations, interesting that you bring it up… Vikingfan’s request for a replacement came late in the game when he was clearly under pressure, how can you compare them?

Okay, first things first,

unvote:all

Upon reading through the game (which took forever), I've got three people to comment on specifically.

cardb0ardb0x is newbie town, classic townie who cracks under pressure, and his later posts haven't been scummy.

pablito: weird and scummy, seems to enjoy buddying up to people, getting general scum vibes from him

vote: pablito

phoebus: This should be obvious, joined the biggest bandwagons and has yet toactually contribute to the game

vote: phoebus

I can't get a read on either bird1111 or Mert as of yet.

Anyway, I unvoted because I don't really care what vikingfan's reasons for voting you were. My vote for you was for the reasons given in the post where I voted for you. I can't comment on what vikingfan did cause I'm not him.

Your voting reasons seem flimsy—you haven’t backed them up at all. And no you can’t comment from his perspective, but you’ve have to keep his actions in mind, just like we do when comparing yours to his…

vote:Nightson

That’s all for the moment… looking….

[Thok]

I realize that, and there are people I wouldn't vote for needing a replacement. But given the tone of some of the discussions we have (especially the references/interest in Kingmaker 1), vikingfan asking for a replacement in this game is worth keeping an eye on.

Two different situations, interesting that you bring it up… Vikingfan’s request for a replacement came late in the game when he was clearly under pressure, how can you compare them?

I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about. Or rather, I sort of think I know what you are talking about, but wonder why you would try to interpret my comments in that way, since that was clearly not what I meant at all, and I have a hard time believing that my statement could have been read that way.

Vote Ameliaslay

, since I think you're trying way to hard to attack Nightson in your last post. (I personally feel pablito is also trying too hard to attack Nightson, but well, I'm already voting him.) I can't decide if this is an attempt at busing scum or trying to create a bandwagon on an innocent.

[Ameliaslay]

I realize that, and there are people I wouldn't vote for needing a replacement. But given the tone of some of the discussions we have (especially the references/interest in Kingmaker 1), vikingfan asking for a replacement in this game is worth keeping an eye on.

Two different situations, interesting that you bring it up… Vikingfan’s request for a replacement came late in the game when he was clearly under pressure, how can you compare them?

I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about. Or rather, I sort of think I know what you are talking about, but wonder why you would try to interpret my comments in that way, since that was clearly not what I meant at all, and I have a hard time believing that my statement could have been read that way.

Vote Ameliaslay

, since I think you're trying way to hard to attack Nightson in your last post. (I personally feel pablito is also trying too hard to attack Nightson, but well, I'm already voting him.) I can't decide if this is an attempt at busing scum or trying to create a bandwagon on an innocent.

1.)I was just looking at the first part... and at your quote again and realized, when I made that comment I was thinking that he was replacing someone else and that you were making a generalization on replacements... I didn't totally think that one through, and I apologize.

2.) Trying way to hard to attack him? I placed a vote because I was expressing my suspicion, and when I clarify my thoughts on a few others, I'll be placing votes on them. Coming into a game, it doesn't seem like his analysis of the people that he commented on was very in depth... yet he was defending his reasons-- that's what caught my eye.

And while I'm thinking of it, though I have an idea why.... Since you're explaining your suspicions of nightson pablito, you might well detail the ones you hold for me.

[pablito]

Sure, I've since forgotten the reasons.

Unvote: Ameliaslay

I'm sure there was a stupid reason, but eh, I can't be bothered. Probably was gut. But I feel satisfied with your latest posts.

Oh and btw,

Unvote: MBL

I don't feel like keeping up with him. I'm not saying he's no longer scummy in my eyes, but it's clear I won't get much more out of him today and getting to ignore him for awhile will be better for me.

[Nightson]

Your voting reasons seem flimsy—you haven’t backed them up at all.

I’m going to assume you mean my vote on pablito because I can’t see how you’d call my stated reasons for phoebus flimsy.

Pablito is scummy when he tries to buddy up to people and he’s scummy when he makes posts like the one right above me. I find pretty much all of his posts to be off, they seem strange and not protown.

[pablito]

But they're obviously intentional. How could anyone be that strange and natural?

[Nightson]

But they're obviously intentional. How could anyone be that strange and natural?

Eh? Are you saying your purposely trying to act scummy?

[cardb0ardb0x]

On the

On Pablito: I don't get it. In my eyes there's equal chance that pablito's acting scummy so he won't get mafia'd at night or that he's just plain old scum. I don't see how we're supposed to tell day 1. However, the deliberate nature of his actions-

But they're obviously intentional. How could anyone be that strange and natural?

(did he mean unnatural?) suggests a level of planning. I'm guessing that especially creative tactics are usually employed by the mafia rather than the town.
On the other hand, his behavior may be allocated towards a desire to simply take a big gamble and assume that any one particular player is on the town's side/ally, right off the bat. All things considored, the probability that one will end up randomly choosing another townie is very good. That may have been pab's original thinking, although it looks less and less like this is the case as time goes on...

On bird1111: There really isn't much to say, seeing as how he hasn't posted much at all (7 posts total, only 1 since september15th). The case against bird1111 is some fishy vote movements very early on. Looking at them, it's very possible that they were just regular day 1 votes that were just twiddled with too much.

On channeldelibird: Has justification for all actions, although that obviously doesn't automatically make him town.

On phoebus: I had forgotten how unproductive his posts were. He's never had anything to add, and never had any inhibitions about proclaiming how little he had to add or how little he had read, kind of intentionally dragging his heels. Doesn't automatically make mafia, however.

In summary, after looking over what I just wrote,

unvote: bird1111

and

vote: pablito

looks reasonable. I had previously voted for pablito, and unvoted... now it seems a little more justified to do so.