Open 443: Attack on the Ice Cream Convention! - Day 1

[TeChNoWC]

urgh that came out wrong.

player a and player b are masons who know each other is town but they call each other scum on the thread. Thats townbussing

[Whiskers]

urgh that came out wrong.

player a and player b are masons who know each other is town but they call each other scum on the thread. Thats townbussing

I thought this game was all non-linked townies.

[TeChNoWC]

yeah i was joking.

but i do think om might be town.
also if drmy really thought i was mod confirmed and is town he should have townbussed me or at least just called me town for something else, not put me in danger of modkill. But lets get off modstuff now.

[Whiskers]

Techno is trying hard to look relaxed and townie but he just isn't pulling it off. The question is, is his unwillingness to put Shotgun at L-1 to defend a scumbuddy or to gain him towncred?

[preedit]
Um. Oh.
Also, I'm not sure how it's supposed to modkill you.

Anyway, now I'm confused. Where are our reads, and who do we lynch? Furthermore, where is Malakittens?

[TeChNoWC]

The real question is why is drmy confscum to you, why am i scum for not quicklynch yet you are town for trying, and if you are wobdering if i am scum going for towncred, then you arent as sold on drmy scum as you are making out and should be voting me.

ergo sum you are heavily contradocting yourself and are likely scum.

[Whiskers]

holy cats, that was hard to read.
drmy is NOT confscum to me. you're being silly. However, he is scummy, and, as far as we are into the game, he is my strongest read.
You aren't scum for not quicklynching, exactly. You're scum for backpedalling offf the wagon when it hits that critical moment, L-1, where tells and hammers alike are dropped. Since an L-1 wagon is technically what we want, It doesn't make a whole lot of sense why you'd jump off of it like it was on fire. Now: We're in the early game and I'm happy calling you scum instead of cautious town for pretty much no reason.
Thirdly, my L-1 without announcement was a mistake. Sorry. I hadn't realized it's only four votes to-lynch, I don't usually play in games this small. This actually kind of dampens the whole, "why would you want to back off from L-1!?" attack on you, since if Shotgun doesn't know he's at L-1, he won't make those reactions. I pushed it anyway to hide my own fault.
Either you are scum going for towncred, or your are scum protecting your scumbuddy. In truth, you are not necessarily either of those, but if I assume you're scum, and that you have scum motives, those are the explanations for your behaviour. Like I've said, Shotgun is not obvscum, just scum. I'm not as sold on drmy scum as you think I am.
Any questions?

[drmyshotgun]

I'm trying to get TeCh modkilled..? Just calling a spade a spade.

[Whiskers]

It's bullshit and you know it-- the question is, why do you continue to push it?

[drmyshotgun]

Cause I hacked into his account and read his role PM.

[Whiskers]

So the real question is, when did you become shotty?

[Om of the Nom]

I'd like to know that too.

[drmyshotgun]

Since there's one Conf-Town already. And another highly highly highly likely another Town, why don't we massclaim?

[drmyshotgun]

Like. That'll give us 4 conf Towns and we win!

[Om of the Nom]

I claim Mason with Techno.

[drmyshotgun]

Good choice of mason buddy. But you aren't. So.

[Whiskers]

See, techno, this is what I was talking about when I said scum could try to lead town in a gamebreaking strategy that really only led it into a loss. If shotty had confused a few more townies into thinking we had any confirmed town players, they'd have the PRs right in their hooves. Nightkill, nightkill, then it's like, 3/2, right?

[TeChNoWC]

Since an L-1 wagon is technically what we want, It doesn't make a whole lot of sense why you'd jump off of it like it was on fire.

This is silly. No one wants L-1 wagons so quickly into D1 except scum. I jumped on the drmy wagon for content like any sane person should have at that point in time, not for quicklynching.

'drmy MIIIIIGHT be scum' is specifically what I said when I voted him. Doubt in there somewhere? Why on earth would I be comfortable with an L-1?????!!?!??!

Rather, the shit you are spouting is mouthfuls and mouthfuls of scumtells.

but if I

assume

you're scum, and that you have scum motives, those are the explanations for your behaviour.

You just false dilemma'd. So I'm not scum for those reasons at all, but if I AM scum then these would be the reasons behind what I did. Uh DERRRRRRRRRR.

Again, on the ASSUMPTION. But you have no reason to make that assumption and the reasons you are providing are hypotheticals to the extension of the assumption, not factors that lead to the assumption itself. Provide one good reason why you should assume I am scum.

You can't. Your opinion on me isn't genuine and has no substance. Claim scum already, kthanks

Like. That'll give us 4 conf Towns and we win!

This is ridiculous and needs to be ignored. Drmy if you can't figure out why, well... [insert picture of me blowing my brains out, I can't be bothered doing]

Also it's some intense fishing, like fucking whale fishing. And that's illegal bro.
How about follow my plan now you trust me, rather than this estupido one?

See, techno, this is what I was talking about when I said scum could try to lead town in a gamebreaking strategy that really only led it into a loss. If shotty had confused a few more townies into thinking we had any confirmed town players, they'd have the PRs right in their hooves. Nightkill, nightkill, then it's like, 3/2, right?

Paranoia without assessing the validity of a plan is just plain paranoia and stupid and scummy.
1. Drmy's plan is horribly bad and dumb. Don't do it.
2. My plan could work, and no one has bothered to weigh in on it. Could work.

The source doesn't matter. You examine the text, and you'll find out the true nature of the source.

[Om of the Nom]

Uhhh, L-1 wagons in RVS are great for discussion and reactions, which are highly beneficial to town. The only way it could go wrong would be if someone is stupid enough to hammer it prematurely, and I don't think anyone in this game is like that. Plus, if they're scum, it's twice as bad as it just puts them under severe scrutiny the next day, which is something scum wouldn't want.

Also I just noticed how Gunny is attacking me for being against breaking the game when he hasn't even voiced an opinion on what he thinks.

[TeChNoWC]

Uhhh, L-1 wagons in RVS are great for discussion and reactions, which are highly beneficial to town. The only way it could go wrong would be if someone is stupid enough to hammer it prematurely,

and I don't think anyone in this game is like that

. Plus, if they're scum, it's twice as bad as it just puts them under severe scrutiny the next day, which is something scum wouldn't want.

And if a derp-PR hammers another PR and we lose both to a stupid stupid stupid notion that it's a great reaction test?

Who is more likely to derp hammer, town or scum?

And also about the bolded; do you know everyone in this game? Can you vouch for every player that they would not derphammer?

Whiskers almost derphammered. She didn't look at the VC and didn't even realise drmy was put on L-1, sooooo no. And basically she proved my entire point by what she did, and yet she is still postulating about my scumminess and scummy intent from jumping off the wagon when she is a prime candidate as to why it was necessary.

[Om of the Nom]

The only person I don't know is jamestfox, and I don't think he's stupid enough to derphammer.
But seriously, I've played tons of games, and I've

never

had a lynch on a RVS wagon.

[TeChNoWC]

Also I just noticed how Gunny is attacking me for being against breaking the game when he hasn't even voiced an opinion on what he thinks.

Gunny did weigh in, post 64.

The only person I don't know is jamestfox, and I don't think he's stupid enough to derphammer.
But seriously, I've played tons of games, and I've

never

had a lynch on a RVS wagon.

If you don't know the guy then you don't know what he is like and what he might do.
Beside the point, Whiskers nearly did and she admitted to being unaware so I am right and you are wrong.
It's rare but it can still happen. Would you like this game to be your first?
Why are you not commenting on Whiskers reasoning about tech-scum because I jumped off the wagon?

Seriously has everyone taken crazy pills?

[Om of the Nom]

No, he didn't weigh in on saying whether or not he wanted to break the game at all. All he did was just call you mod-confirmed town and me confirmed scum because we wanted to/didn't want to respectively.
Believe me, derphammers are way more likely to happen mid-game than in RVS. This game is not my first and it won't be my first until at least 10 games from now.
I wasn't actually paying attention to Whisker's reasoning, though I do agree you jumping off the wagon suddenly is suspicious, but your constant pushing that it's a towny thing to do makes me think it was honestly town-motivated.

[TeChNoWC]

No, he didn't weigh in on saying whether or not he wanted to break the game at all.

I don't get why it can't be attempted though.

I see that as him saying he wanted to.

[Om of the Nom]

No, he didn't weigh in on saying whether or not he

wanted

to break the game at all.

Just saying what he said, means he can fake an opinion on it without actually giving one.

[Whiskers]

Since an L-1 wagon is technically what we want, It doesn't make a whole lot of sense why you'd jump off of it like it was on fire.

This is silly. No one wants L-1 wagons so quickly into D1 except scum. I jumped on the drmy wagon for content like any sane person should have at that point in time, not for quicklynching.

No, wrong: no one wants lynches so quickly into D1 except scum. L-1 wagons are perfectly fine.
Seriously, there's been this thing where everybody thing L-2 is the new L-1 and expects people to announce L-2, claim at L-2, and have reactions at L-2. What the hell? L-1 is not a lynch.

but if I

assume

you're scum, and that you have scum motives, those are the explanations for your behaviour.

You just false dilemma'd. So I'm not scum for those reasons at all, but if I AM scum then these would be the reasons behind what I did. Uh DERRRRRRRRRR.

Again, on the ASSUMPTION. But you have no reason to make that assumption and the reasons you are providing are hypotheticals to the extension of the assumption, not factors that lead to the assumption itself. Provide one good reason why you should assume I am scum.

You're not getting it-- I was saying those things from the standpoint that you were scum. There really isn't any way I could have known or proven that you were scum, so I was just acting like you were scum, and explaining your actions as though you were scum.

Also it's some intense fishing, like fucking whale fishing. And that's illegal bro.
How about follow my plan now you trust me, rather than this estupido one?

However, I actually legitimately don't understand why this. No matter what you thought of him before, this is scummy and should be voted for.

See, techno, this is what I was talking about when I said scum could try to lead town in a gamebreaking strategy that really only led it into a loss. If shotty had confused a few more townies into thinking we had any confirmed town players, they'd have the PRs right in their hooves. Nightkill, nightkill, then it's like, 3/2, right?

Paranoia without assessing the validity of a plan is just plain paranoia and stupid and scummy.
1. Drmy's plan is horribly bad and dumb. Don't do it.
2. My plan could work, and no one has bothered to weigh in on it. Could work.

The source doesn't matter. You examine the text, and you'll find out the true nature of the source.

Okay, but look-- I was saying at the beginning that since I had no idea what your alignment was, I wasn't going to immediately entrust leading the town, and leading it in breaking the game, to you. Why? Because you might do something stupid like that. You didn't, but when I said it you hadn't put forth any plans yet.